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womble
Jan 6, 2003, 11:58 PM
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Not a huge amount of info in this instance, but www.outdoorreview.com is often a good place to look.
http://www.outdoorreview.com/Climbing,Mountaineering/SLCDs/PLS_2973_72crx.aspx
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holmeslovesguinness
Jan 7, 2003, 12:35 AM
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A recent issue of rock&ice or climbing had a quick review of the Ocun cams, they got a solid rating.
Here's a link to a pretty recent review of a bunch o' cams: http://www.climbing.com/Pages/equipment/equipment-212.html
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tradklime
Jan 7, 2003, 4:24 AM
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acmeclimbing.com, the single stem cams are a great value for the money, have great features, and are very inexpensive if you buy a full set.
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nimo
Jan 7, 2003, 6:55 AM
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The Ocun cams are good cams and cheep. Consider some solid Wild Country solid friends #2 and larger for a fairly inexpensive, light, and durable cam (you will have them for a long time).
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pbjosh
Jan 7, 2003, 7:07 AM
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www.rei-outlet.com has Clog cams on sale for very cheap (~$25 each).
Essentially identical to one revision ago of the WC Tech Friend, they are excellent, of great quality and a great bargain.
I have several and highly recommend them, especially given the price!
josh
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nimo
Jan 7, 2003, 7:28 AM
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The Clog cams at REI are a great deal. They are made by Wild Country this is why they are so close to the old WC’s.
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crux_clipper
Jan 7, 2003, 8:34 AM
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The HB (Hugh Banner) cams are quite good too. Good design for little money. Well worth a second look.
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twrock
Jan 7, 2003, 1:51 PM
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I have a set of the HB Quadcams (U stem, single finger trigger). I've liked climbing with them. No problems at all. Kind of wide in the smallest sizes for aid climbing. If you ever plan to get into aiding, consider the Trango/Kong/Acme Flex Cams in the smaller sizes (single stems with narrow heads). (Of course Aliens are still the aid climbing standard, but with a big price tag!)
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tucsonalex
Jan 7, 2003, 4:44 PM
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The ultimate camming device review.
http://www.climbing.com/Pages/equipment/equipment-212.html
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wlderdude
Jan 8, 2003, 11:21 PM
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I am sold on the virtues of full strength cam stops.
If it does not have full strength cam stops, I would not get them.
The newer Robot cams and Trango Flex cams do (not the older ones). Forged and technical friends have them (at least the newer ones). BD has always had them and Metolius has been milling stops in their cams for a long time.
Ocun Metal Jacket, Acme cams, Clog cams, Wired Bliss and many other older styles as well as Aliens use those whimpy pins that allow your cam lobes to invert in a fall. I would not recoment them.
Cam stops seem to be the only safety feature that some cams have and some do not.
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tradklime
Jan 8, 2003, 11:33 PM
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Acme single stem cams are the exact same as the new trango flex cams, they do have cam stops.
In my opinion, the virtues of camstops are debateable at best. Great concept, but in practice they are of little use. Just my opinion though.
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blindslap
Jan 8, 2003, 11:54 PM
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know how you feel! I'm fifteen and just got my first cams a while ago. I got some rock empire and they seem alright, and i also have some forged friends. the forged friends are the same price as Rock empire. 30 bucks apiece. Get a #3 and work from thier.
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joemor
Jan 8, 2003, 11:54 PM
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dont get hb cams....
as a friend puts it.....
" you put them in they wiggle them selves upside down and fall out"
there crap,
he has a few and places them the same as all his other brand cams and there the only ones that perform crap.
joe
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pirateclimber
Jan 9, 2003, 12:13 AM
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10 cams for $269... Recently bought Clog at ReiOutlet.com and filled in the gaps with Ocun from Climbaxe.com. They are basically the same cam in terms of size and range so they mesh really well on my rack, although the Clogs are of higher quality in the details.
Same profile as the Wild Country Tech Friends 0.5-4 (excluding the x.25 and x.75 sizes). They are quads and relatively wide so they are really stable. Only problem would be in shallow cracks and tight placements where the wide spaced lobes may not fit well or at all (time to bust a three-cam or nut in that case!) but that depends on where you climb...
Bottom line, I was on a budget too and am happy with what I got. They're cheaper, light, have placed well, and cover a good range.
fyi: I've only been leading trad for 1.5yrs but have led up to 10a and 6pithces (so I have a bit of experience placing all kinds of pro). Prior to buying these I was bumming BD, CCH, WC, and Metolius cams.
[ This Message was edited by: pirateclimber on 2003-01-08 16:16 ]
[ This Message was edited by: pirateclimber on 2003-01-08 16:19 ]
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