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theooze
Feb 26, 2003, 1:02 AM
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Umm, what if you had to choose?
Would it affect your answer if you knew there was no climbing in heaven?
Or no sex in heaven?
What if you could only climb in hell (technically caving, but still) and could only have sex in hell, even though you are constantly roasting like a christmas goose? And in heaven you have to sit around praising God all day and they don't even allow weed or TV?
What would you choose?
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vegastradguy
Feb 26, 2003, 1:06 AM
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well, seeing as I'm going to live forever, I'll leave the debate on this one to others....
in the meantime, i'm off to the crag!
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h2oclimber
Feb 26, 2003, 1:18 AM
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what kind of heaven wouldn't have sex or climbing? if you get to that heaven I think you were lied to and you are actually in hell.
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w6jxm
Feb 26, 2003, 1:31 AM
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Heaven with no climbing IS hell :lol:
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godsmybelayer
Feb 26, 2003, 1:32 AM
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Those things are not that important to me, being shadowed in the light of getting to know God...The One who created the entire universe, and learning from him. And I know this may make me different, but I think I would be happy praising God for eternity.
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josher
Feb 26, 2003, 1:37 AM
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sometimes there one in the same (2me)
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moabbeth
Feb 26, 2003, 1:46 AM
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A heaven with no sex or climbing...what kind of heaven is that???
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josher
Feb 26, 2003, 1:47 AM
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xanx
Feb 26, 2003, 1:50 AM
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is it really for us to debate this? what sensible person would SERIOUSLY chose eternal torment (and sex and climbing) over the eternal pleasure of heaven?
if u are all going to respons, at least think first, instead of just saying "whatkind of heaven doesn't have sex and climbing" ect...
unless u are a masochist. then feel free to chose hell
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josher
Feb 26, 2003, 1:52 AM
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i think people make that choice every day.
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camhead
Feb 26, 2003, 2:03 AM
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depends on if climbing is a vice or a sacrament, I guess.
honestly ooze, I think a better grounded topic would be "what if santa says you get coal in your stocking if you climb?"
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twrock
Feb 26, 2003, 2:07 AM
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Reminds me of the little girl who asked her mom if there would be dogs in heaven. Her mom replied that if having her dog in heaven would be what made her happy, then there sure would be dogs in heaven.
Most of the time we can't even ask the right questions, let alone have the right answers, when it comes to God. Little children we are.
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h2oclimber
Feb 26, 2003, 2:09 AM
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definately coal and climbing
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h2oclimber
Feb 26, 2003, 2:13 AM
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how about if you could only climb agian if you gave up sex? which would you choose?
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mike_ok
Feb 26, 2003, 2:17 AM
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Before giving an answer to the question, I must explain a bit about myself so that you understand my bias. First, I am about to graduate as the Philosophy TA at a small private college. I majored in both Theology and Philosophy. I read both subjects for fun, and intend on teaching in Philosophical Theology at the university level. I have read classical theology through postmodern theology. I have argued for and against the recent vogue of narrative theology. As a philosopher I've debated the ontological meaning of the concepts of heaven and hell. Discussions as to what we can possibly mean by positing these metaphysical realities, along with the consequences these realities would entail concerning the nature of God (especially a Triune God) are regularly found among friends and academic collegues.
I must say that this topic as it is so eloquently here presented, is perhaps one of the best questions ever posed in the debates on God, eternity, climbing, free-will, ethics, and metaphysics. I support the kind of mind experiment these questions entail, and I salute you for your effort.
All of that being said, given the above scenario, I choose Hell.
:twisted:
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camhead
Feb 26, 2003, 2:24 AM
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ahh, back to this topic, eh?
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h2oclimber
Feb 26, 2003, 2:27 AM
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He's good
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talons05
Feb 26, 2003, 2:34 AM
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You can only hope to accumulate enough good karma to be reborn as a TRAD climber... :lol:
However, let's say that there IS a heaven and a hell...
:twisted: "On Belay!" :twisted:
A.W.
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flying_dutchman
Feb 26, 2003, 2:35 AM
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the more i climb and the harder i push my self, the sooner i may be in heaven... I do not know what God's plan is for my life but i am certain it involves my climbing for some time yet. Therefore, I have both climbing and God in my life.
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jerryderl
Feb 26, 2003, 3:41 AM
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I feel sorry for those of you who do not truly know what heaven and hell are all about. The Bible is a very rock solid reference guide for what has happened and what will happen. If you have not made a choice to be with Jesus in heaven and except his forgiveness, you WILL go to hell. Not to be mean or anything I wish everyone could go to heaven. Climbing or no climbing, heaven will leave you longing for nothing but to glorify God even more than you will. I believe it will make you feel better than climbing ever has here on this earth. This is so temporary, this life means little compared to eternity in heaven.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
If you have any questions about heaven, please PM me I will be happy to discuss anything with you.
Jared
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whipper
Feb 26, 2003, 3:44 AM
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I am the One that you tiny people call THE DEVILand there is no heaven so climb hard and die young cause you really won't know when you are dead since you will cease to exist. oh yes scary but true
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djmeat
Feb 26, 2003, 3:45 AM
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^ thats was me....as if I had to tell you.
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curt
Feb 26, 2003, 4:05 AM
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I like Devils Lake. Does that count?
Curt
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Feb 26, 2003, 4:18 AM
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right On!!!!
If God made all this cool stuff for us on earth, and he says heaven is beond our comprehention. Well I would give up the stuff we have on earth in a second. Maybe climbing is so good in heaven they can't call it climbing any more.
God made me and he knows what I like!!!... :) :) :) :) :) :D
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rockjunkie
Feb 26, 2003, 4:41 AM
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i would pick climbing and sex. straight up, no questions. i'm sure heaven is cool and all if it exists but i dig these two things more than anything else in the world, so why change a good thing if your not so sure whats next will be better. though if heaven consists of that which makes you happy, it would be climbing and sex so it wouldn't even matter. but if given the choice- behind door number one is heaven, behind door number two is eternal awesome sex and unbelievable climbing, i must say i would have to go with the latter of the two.
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