I didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this is redundant. I used to ba a Missy and a Missy's Boss. Had I administered said test, I would have said, "Hey, from now on, please don't skip any clips," and then passed your friend. I don't know Missy and her experience, however. If she has little experience and is expected to adminster these tests, then I imagine that here boss told her to be as strict on the rules as possible.

Outside of the USA I've never seen a gym with a belay test. The few I've visited assume you know how to climb.

it is with frightening regularity that I see employees at the gym running around spewing nonsense. I can very much identify with this guys frustration at dealing with an inexperienced climber, who has unlikely ever lead anything on real rock, telling this dude that his friend can't lead climb. It's gotta be aggrivating, especially if the clipping rules weren't spelled out in advance.

Ed

so when a woman does something you don't agree with, its because she has PMS? just so you know, its a an offensive comment, and putting a smiley next to it does not change the tone.

No, just that after 12 years of marriage I know that handling a woman on PMS is like handling a greanade without a pin.

No offense but you girls are really touchi in that period of the month.

I agree with crazygirl. Even if your PMS posts were an attempt at humor, I found them offensive. I find it's the old standby for guys who seem to piss off women every day of the month. But feel free to keep digging if that's your thing.

mark (who is also not a fan of the term "butt-hurt")

(hint, hint, rockreation in SLC)

What do you guys think?

so when a woman does something you don't agree with, its because she has PMS? just so you know, its a an offensive comment, and putting a smiley next to it does not change the tone.

after talking with slablizard (at the same gym he is talking about), talking to the guy who was failed, and seeing the route in question, it is completely stupid to make someone clip that last clip. like he said, it is literally maybe 18 inches below the anchors. I climbed that route, and at the top, if you are in a position where they want you to clip (between the eyes and knees) you can just as easily, if not more easily, clip the anchors. and seeing the high quality personnel there (my sarcasm is dripping here) I can understand why he was frustrated. the guy giving me my belay test (it was my first time at said gym) told me my ATC-XP was rigged backwards (i had it in low friction mode). for crying out loud!!! i had to explain to him that it can be rigged either way, then he literally said, "wow, tht sure is a fancy ATC you have there." i proceeded to pass my belay test. And, at 7 pm on a Monday night there was nobody qualified to give me a lead test, so all i could do was TR and boulder. talk about frustration. at least I was able to TR with the guy who failed. slab, i feel your pain buddy...

I bet your the kind of person who crys and whines when you are pulled over for speeding: " Yeah, I know the speed limit is 65 officer, but I don't see a sign right here saying NOT to go 90. I have been driving for more than 20 years officer, what gives you the right to pull me over!" People like you are LAME, simple enough. Get off your "climbing" high horse, accept the fact that this person is a doing their job, and concentrate on something more important than your "mid life crisis" ego.

Interesting.... went there once and probably won't ever go back. Not so fun experiance.

I need to develop a more profund respect for "the rules" even if they are stupid and fondamentally flawed.

Totally uncalled for. Mid life what? Get lost.

Oh, so now I see, it's ok to accuse someone of acting in a certain way due to pms, but totally unacceptable to accuse someone of acting in a certain way due to midlife crisis. Excellent.

As it is mine that she had PMS, but then she shoul complain about not you.

My 2c on this, and in answer to Dingus' question...

1) Why is the PMS comment a bit offensive? Because crediting a woman's behaviour to PMS it is a way of invalidating a woman's thoughts or emotions or behaviors by implying that she was not really in control of herself due to some hormonal imbalance...see what I mean?


Ok Apologies my intention was to try to explain , in a funny way, the still unknown ( to me) world of woman thinking.

2) Second Question: Is the woman's name really "Missy" or is this just a (somewhat) condescending term you choose to apply to her because she is younger than you, less knowledgable than you, and female? Some folks in this post are using the word "Missy" as though it were her name, others, like Melissa, noticed that you may have been using it the other way...

Since you didn't want to post her name, as you stated earlier, I am guessing it is a derogatory term for a young, uninformed female that you crossed wires with. Not so cool, really, but probably not the end of the world. Just pointing it out because this is where the conversation is going...

Sorry again then...Her's name is not missyy and you're right about the age/attitude description. Fact is that being from another country (Italy) and having moved here (only) 5 years ago I still struggle to understand all the details of "political correctness" (one of the very few things I do not like of this country) that you all know from first grade.
The last of my intention is to offend here. I didn't know that Missy was offensive.




3) Additionally, refering to women in general as "girls", (if we were to really go nuts on this) can also be considered offensive, especially when one is in the midst of arguing about the vailidity of their emotions/feelings/actions. But that's not such a big deal, just points to a behaviour pattern when it comes to dealing with women who pissed you off...

What this seems to point out to me is that you are from a generation where this may be acceptable more acceptable...my father's generation, perhaps. This is not such a bad thing, but you might want to note that saying things like this when trying to support your arguments may cause others, of a perhaps more PC generation to turn of their ears an not listen. Either this matters to you or it does not, and you will probably behave accordingly.



Yep you're probably right, I', 38



I don't mean to put you down, and I am not bent out of shape about it, just trying to provide a perspective on these three things since folks were asking.


And I thank you for that.

Do I think she should have passed you? Eh, I dunno, either way I guess. I probably would have, but I don't work at a gym.

Thanks, but it wasn't me, it was my climbing partner.

-Kate.