Second J's nomination for Paule. He's digging himself quite a hole.

At the rate he's going, he may earn the Special Memorial MHR2000 Award for Lifetime Achievement.

-Jay

even thought I know the mods are going to delete my post im gonna help you out.

You would want to use a gri gri because it automatically locks up when the climber falls, which is why you MUST use one in the gym, their insurance company will not allow them to run with out them, because alot of the people that climb in gym's are new climbers with very little experiance or none at all.. Its a safety factor mainly, would you rather have someone that has no belaying skills belay you with a auto locking devise or a atc... they are also great to haul stuff up bigwalls.. I recently had a conversation about gri gri's because I was thinking about getting one for people in my family to use untill they learned to belay properly, But he told me that they arent worth it because They make the belayers lazy (dependent on the auto locking) so the dont even pay attention, and then when the get to the atc they drop you... That and its very hard to belay leads with a gri gri due to the auto locking.. he's been at it for 30 years so you cant argue with him..

have found out that I am a nominee

Wow.
I just happened upon this thread and have found out that I am a nominee . And, like, before the pages turned double digits.

I have to nominate climbinggurl for a body of work that defies description.

Hey, ikellen is back! More fun!

http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=72365&forum=27

Damn, he's been back for a while. Oh well, that's a good sign that I'm not on here as often! :D

Everyone at one time or another will have to use a Z-rig to haul someone up a wall if not your team , then someone elses. I,ve discovered a simple way to do it without having to carry extra. gear.
-Steel rap ring.
Set up Your rig as normal but in place of the prussk/cam/ascender substitutea a rap ring. take a bight of rope and stick it through the ring ,take the tail of the rope and stick it through the looped rope now run the rope through yer anchor an back into the ring,once its redirected -get haulin Any Questions?

(Though I confess, why I would need to haul someone up my team is still a mystery to me.)

Everyone at one time or another will have to use a Z-rig to haul someone up a wall if not your team , then someone elses. I,ve discovered a simple way to do it without having to carry extra. gear.
-Steel rap ring.
Set up Your rig as normal but in place of the prussk/cam/ascender substitutea a rap ring. take a bight of rope and stick it through the ring ,take the tail of the rope and stick it through the looped rope now run the rope through yer anchor an back into the ring,once its redirected -get haulin Any Questions?

Now I know sleeping tonight is out of the question.
Thanks Jay. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Can I nominate a picture for gumby of the year?

I got confused, so I left. To me that post is on a par with bumblie's political comparisons