This was my second pair of shoes, my first ones being the Diablos. I must say I was a little dissapointed with these shoes - not very versitile. The fit was a little off - some areas were too loose, some areas were to tight - it seems like the shoe just had a weird shape about it. Ok, now that I've finished bashing it - there were some features that I liked. It seems to be a better shoe for wider feet, it was great for toe hooks (it's got a nice piece of rubber right across the big toe), and it excelled in flat-wall smearing. Not a very technical shoe though - I found it easier to stand on micro-edges in my diablos. I would recommend this shoe as a "niche" shoe for someone who's got a project in mind with a couple toe hooks and lots of smearing.