I couldnt stand these shoes. I loved the day when they were worn out enough to justify getting a new pair of something else. They seemed so cool when I bought them, and they actually fit pretty well when I bought them, but that changed. Im guessing my feet just grew a lot soon after I got them, cause after I had them for a month or so they started to KILL my toes. If i didnt cut my toenails super short then they would cut into the toe next to them. My feet got bruised on the sides, also very painful. I really didnt think they were particularly good at anything, heel and toe hooking was especially bad. I guess they probably did help my footwork a bit, cause after climbing for about an hour my feet would hurt so bad that I had to place my foot really carefully to try to avoid too much pain. Maybe they just fit my feet wrong, might be different for other people. I now have a pair of La Sportiva Solutions, much happier with those. My next shoes will probably be another pair of solutions or the katanas.