Shoes started out ok, but they got sloppier and sloppier. I wear a ten and I bought an eight and a half. They were tight at first but they were never incredibly uncomfortable because of how soft they are. The more that I wore them the softer they got. Now when I try and pull and aggressive toe hook my toes are able to curl all the way up in them and I lose all control. If I wanna climb slab or crack these work fairly well, but they don't hold to well on small foot chips or aggressive sport climbs. Oh yeah and after about six months my toes are about to push thought the bottom.