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My wife was really pissed at me yesterday. So pissed that I started thinking about the future of our relationship. Then I got this urge to climb free-solo. I really wanted to get out my agression and anger and I needed to get the adrenaline out of my system. The rock was calling to me.
It took me a few minutes to understand why free-soling had come to mind. I needed to feel strong. She had made me feel weak and out-of-control. Free-soloing that route would have made me feel powerful when I needed that feeling the most.
I didn't do it. I'm not a slave to my emotions. It was the first time I'd actually felt like doing it instead of just thinking about doing it which was interesting.
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I had the same urge yesterday. I really wanted to solo. More because I wanted to be alone and on the rock than to get frustration out. I've soloed before, but am trying not to make a habit of it because I know I'll like it too much and would want to push myself: "Sure, that 5.6 I could definitely solo. That 5.8 looks good, too. And that 5.9 over there wasn't too bad..." Myself, I'd definitely avoid soloing as a means of venting anger or frustration, and recommend it only if everything is feeling right. Kudos to you for not giving in to the beast!
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Some people have done their best soloing while in the grasp of emotional distress... not that i am advocating soloing but if that is what floats your boat.
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In reply to: It took me a few minutes to understand why free-soling had come to mind. I needed to feel strong. She had made me feel weak and out-of-control. Free-soloing that route would have made me feel powerful when I needed that feeling the most.
Interesting. It makes me wonder how many women are driven to free solo by this type of situation. Wasn't there an issue in Climbing or Rock and Ice about stories of broken relationships driving men to free solo? I just can't recall hearing stories about women going this route. But I guess you're not alone, right?
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In reply to: Wonderwoman wrote: Interesting. It makes me wonder how many women are driven to free solo by this type of situation. Wasn't there an issue in Climbing or Rock and Ice about stories of broken relationships driving men to free solo? I just can't recall hearing stories about women going this route. But I guess you're not alone, right?
Not sure if it's because were guys, but I know for sure in my case thoughts of free soloing are from my self-destructive tendencies, especially after a relationship or possible relationship doesn't work out.
So far I haven't given in to those tendencies to free solo, because friends have talked me out of doing it. And just for clarification, I'm not suicidal :wink:
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In reply to: My wife was really pissed at me yesterday. So pissed that I started thinking about the future of our relationship. Then I got this urge to climb free-solo. I really wanted to get out my agression and anger and I needed to get the adrenaline out of my system. The rock was calling to me. It took me a few minutes to understand why free-soling had come to mind. I needed to feel strong. She had made me feel weak and out-of-control. Free-soloing that route would have made me feel powerful when I needed that feeling the most. I didn't do it. I'm not a slave to my emotions. It was the first time I'd actually felt like doing it instead of just thinking about doing it which was interesting. Dave
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Anger brings out the best free soloing out of poeple. I had a friend who left his rack at the top of route while he rapelled. He helped his friend rapel then was going to climb back up and get it. at the bottom they see some kids look over the edge at them, then they hear "clip, clip" and the anchor falls over the edge. He hears his rack being moved around, and solos up a 40 ft 5.8 and attempts to chase them, but couldnt with his climbing shoes on.
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In reply to: Anger brings out the best free soloing out of poeple. I had a friend who left his rack at the top of route while he rapelled. He helped his friend rapel then was going to climb back up and get it. at the bottom they see some kids look over the edge at them, then they hear "clip, clip" and the anchor falls over the edge. He hears his rack being moved around, and solos up a 40 ft 5.8 and attempts to chase them, but couldnt with his climbing shoes on.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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In reply to: In reply to: Anger brings out the best free soloing out of poeple. I had a friend who left his rack at the top of route while he rapelled. He helped his friend rapel then was going to climb back up and get it. at the bottom they see some kids look over the edge at them, then they hear "clip, clip" and the anchor falls over the edge. He hears his rack being moved around, and solos up a 40 ft 5.8 and attempts to chase them, but couldnt with his climbing shoes on. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Probably a good thing he didn't catch up with them, they all would have been laughing at his shoes! Oh the humiliation!
hahahaha :lol:
Side note: I'm not sure free soloing while pissed is a good thing.
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I get out aggression by flaming n00bs and gumbies. Not only is this fun but it's safe!
But I'm not even pissed off right now. There's just so many stupid asses. It's like that scene in the new Dawn of the Dead where they're picking off zombies from the rooftops... crack crack crack.
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In reply to: My wife was really pissed at me yesterday. So pissed that I started thinking about the future of our relationship. Then I got this urge to climb free-solo. I really wanted to get out my agression and anger and I needed to get the adrenaline out of my system. The rock was calling to me. It took me a few minutes to understand why free-soling had come to mind. I needed to feel strong. She had made me feel weak and out-of-control. Free-soloing that route would have made me feel powerful when I needed that feeling the most. I didn't do it. I'm not a slave to my emotions. It was the first time I'd actually felt like doing it instead of just thinking about doing it which was interesting. Dave
then you are climbing for all the wrong reasons!!!!!!!
adrenaline WILL kill you....it makes you lose your focus and in a free-solo you need your mental zen to be pure and calm.......
go boulder or go to a gym and work out if your frustrated, keep yourself and your blood off the rock because other people want to climb for better reasons
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In reply to: My wife was really pissed at me yesterday. So pissed that I started thinking about the future of our relationship. Then I got this urge to climb free-solo. I really wanted to get out my agression and anger and I needed to get the adrenaline out of my system. The rock was calling to me. It took me a few minutes to understand why free-soling had come to mind. I needed to feel strong. She had made me feel weak and out-of-control. Free-soloing that route would have made me feel powerful when I needed that feeling the most. I didn't do it. I'm not a slave to my emotions. It was the first time I'd actually felt like doing it instead of just thinking about doing it which was interesting. Dave
So I wonder if you're suicidal or just motivated by anger. Anger can do nothing but distract you from reality. I don't see how that can possibly make you any safer or more focussed while free soloing. Personally, I'd go for a run instead and leave the ropeless fun for when my head is clear. The way my feeble mind works is that I'd end up getting pissed, soloing something harder than what I normally would solo cuz I'm pissed and can do anything, snap out of my fit of rage mid climb, begin to feel guilty about any horrible thing that was said between me and who ever, lose concentration, fall to my death. I guess it works for some but even a bad day at work throws off my climbing. Everyone is different though.
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In reply to: I get out aggression by flaming n00bs and gumbies. Not only is this fun but it's safe! But I'm not even pissed off right now. There's just so many stupid asses. It's like that scene in the new Dawn of the Dead where they're picking off zombies from the rooftops... crack crack crack.
i'm so glad i can vote today
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In reply to: My wife was really pissed at me yesterday. So pissed that I started thinking about the future of our relationship. Then I got this urge to go to the post office and blow some people away. I really wanted to get out my agression and anger and I needed to get the adrenaline out of my system. The post office was calling to me. It took me a few minutes to understand why the post office had come to mind. I needed to feel strong. She had made me feel weak and out-of-control. Blasting shit up at that post office would have made me feel powerful when I needed that feeling the most. I didn't do it. I'm not a slave to my emotions. It was the first time I'd actually felt like doing it instead of just thinking about doing it which was interesting.
I just wanted to see if I could do it and have it still ring true.
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i wanna try soloing but i definitely wont do it when im pissed. i make to many stupid decisions.
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In reply to: then you are climbing for all the wrong reasons!!!!!!! adrenaline WILL kill you....it makes you lose your focus and in a free-solo you need your mental zen to be pure and calm.......
Adrenaline and strong emotion "can" cause people to loose focus some times. But I think it's important to realize it's not inevitiable. Adrenaline and strong emotions can also enhance focus (because there is more "energy" avialable). To me the ability to focus is a skill that can be practiced independent of emotional state. For me it's not emotions that cause loss of focus it's preconceptions about emotions or what "should" be happening that interfer with focus. To me trying to stay calm is a distraction staying focused regardless of wheather I am calm or not is the point and generally brings a certian kind of peace.
Anyway I'm not blanketly agianst people soloing when they are emotional. I think it's probably a horrible idea for some people and may be a reasonable practice for others. Being mistaken about how you deal with emotions/fear while free soloing can be a very bad thing however.
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I don't care about dying, cause dying would be a stone groove. Sometimes you can't ignore the lure of the flaco.
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In reply to: I get out aggression by flaming n00bs and gumbies. Not only is this fun but it's safe! But I'm not even pissed off right now. There's just so many stupid asses. It's like that scene in the new Dawn of the Dead where they're picking off zombies from the rooftops... crack crack crack.
dear god, but you're a spoiled little brat aren't you? half of the posts i see from you are simply cutting people up, are you really that much better than all these people?
re-read this guys post. take it at face value as someone trying to understand emotion and climbing, then try to figure out why you need to make a pointless comment about it.
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Last weekend, I soloed Royal Arches twice, as well as some stuff at Church Bowl, and I wasn't pissed at anyone. It was almost enjoyable.
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In reply to: dear god, but you're a spoiled little brat aren't you? half of the posts i see from you are simply cutting people up, are you really that much better than all these people?
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In reply to: In reply to: It's like that scene in the new Dawn of the Dead where they're picking off zombies from the rooftops... crack crack crack. Shaun of the Dead is better, you stupid wanker. |
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In reply to: In reply to: My wife was really pissed at me yesterday. So pissed that I started thinking about the future of our relationship. Then I got this urge to go to the post office and blow some people away. I really wanted to get out my agression and anger and I needed to get the adrenaline out of my system. The post office was calling to me. It took me a few minutes to understand why the post office had come to mind. I needed to feel strong. She had made me feel weak and out-of-control. Blasting s--- up at that post office would have made me feel powerful when I needed that feeling the most. I didn't do it. I'm not a slave to my emotions. It was the first time I'd actually felt like doing it instead of just thinking about doing it which was interesting. I just wanted to see if I could do it and have it still ring true.
zozo you magnificent bastard!
effing genius.
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Dave,
Just out of curiousity, was your argument with your wife about, say, climbing? 8^)
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In reply to: Dave, Just out of curiousity, was your argument with your wife about, say, climbing? 8^)
No. It was about our relashionship, our child, how we deal with problems, sex, and my being a bit lazy. Big misunderstanding that we resolved an hour ago with make-up sex. The problems are not resolved but at least we're talking. Or grunting at least.
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In reply to: In reply to: My wife was really pissed at me yesterday. So pissed that I started thinking about the future of our relationship. Then I got this urge to climb free-solo. I really wanted to get out my agression and anger and I needed to get the adrenaline out of my system. The rock was calling to me. It took me a few minutes to understand why free-soling had come to mind. I needed to feel strong. She had made me feel weak and out-of-control. Free-soloing that route would have made me feel powerful when I needed that feeling the most. I didn't do it. I'm not a slave to my emotions. It was the first time I'd actually felt like doing it instead of just thinking about doing it which was interesting. Dave then you are climbing for all the wrong reasons!!!!!!! adrenaline WILL kill you....it makes you lose your focus and in a free-solo you need your mental zen to be pure and calm....... go boulder or go to a gym and work out if your frustrated, keep yourself and your blood off the rock because other people want to climb for better reasons
I didn't get this at all. I climb all the time because I love climbing. I didn't go free solo from anger because it would have been stupid. I don't free solo normally for other reasons.
So did you miss the last line that said I didn't do it?
But you make a good point about how climbing that way could be a problem. I won't argue with that.
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i know i am no were near the skill level of free-solo in anyones mind ... but it came to me that if i ever did try it , i think i would keep that little bit of information for me and the ones that happen to see me if the time came that is ..... the only reason i can see going out and blabbing hey i free-or soloed this or that would be if it where like the some wicked stuff like el Capitan or something like that .( you get my point)
i just don't see any reason to worry those around you that care about your well being for something that you know you aren't going to be doing every time you climb and will save for special moments when you know you can do it .... so ease those minds and hearts of those that look at you like you are crazy just climbing ... let alone thinking about solo climbs.... just my two cents.
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In reply to: Interesting. It makes me wonder how many women are driven to free solo by this type of situation. Wasn't there an issue in Climbing or Rock and Ice about stories of broken relationships driving men to free solo? I just can't recall hearing stories about women going this route. But I guess you're not alone, right?
You've never heard the stories cause when women climb something, nobody talks cause nobody cares.
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I solo only when I'm happy. very happy
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In reply to: You've never heard the stories cause when women climb something, nobody talks cause nobody cares.
What-evah! Do you take off your skirt to go climbing?
In reply to: No. It was about our relashionship, our child, how we deal with problems, sex, and my being a bit lazy. Big misunderstanding that we resolved an hour ago with make-up sex. The problems are not resolved but at least we're talking. Or grunting at least.
Do you think maybe you wanted to do it to make her worry? Or worse, feel bad if something (god forbid) were to happen to you?
Just some thoughts that crossed my mind.
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In reply to: In reply to: then you are climbing for all the wrong reasons!!!!!!! adrenaline WILL kill you....it makes you lose your focus and in a free-solo you need your mental zen to be pure and calm....... Adrenaline and strong emotion "can" cause people to loose focus some times. But I think it's important to realize it's not inevitiable. Adrenaline and strong emotions can also enhance focus (because there is more "energy" avialable). To me the ability to focus is a skill that can be practiced independent of emotional state. For me it's not emotions that cause loss of focus it's preconceptions about emotions or what "should" be happening that interfer with focus. To me trying to stay calm is a distraction staying focused regardless of wheather I am calm or not is the point and generally brings a certian kind of peace. Anyway I'm not blanketly agianst people soloing when they are emotional. I think it's probably a horrible idea for some people and may be a reasonable practice for others. Being mistaken about how you deal with emotions/fear while free soloing can be a very bad thing however.
interesting points......i'm from the school of thought that emotions are a destraction.....(which to me, has notthing to do with safety, or comfort: its about choices and reactions and being in control..., its just the way i work on the rock....there's notthing between me and the rock so to speak)....i'm from the jedi-rock-warrior-ninji point of view (hell that should be my new sig!)
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yet another rc.com soloing thread
effing wanks
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In reply to: In reply to: Dave, Just out of curiousity, was your argument with your wife about, say, climbing? 8^) No. It was about our relashionship, our child, how we deal with problems, sex, and my being a bit lazy. Big misunderstanding that we resolved an hour ago with make-up sex. The problems are not resolved but at least we're talking. Or grunting at least. Dave
It's amazing how the grunting during make-up sex can solve so many issues that words just can't...
Is it a race memory thing this grunting language? Something primal?
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In reply to: In reply to: It took me a few minutes to understand why free-soling had come to mind. I needed to feel strong. She had made me feel weak and out-of-control. Free-soloing that route would have made me feel powerful when I needed that feeling the most. Interesting. It makes me wonder how many women are driven to free solo by this type of situation. Wasn't there an issue in Climbing or Rock and Ice about stories of broken relationships driving men to free solo? I just can't recall hearing stories about women going this route. But I guess you're not alone, right?
I'll bite - and take the slap on the back of the head;
That's probably because most women don't have to deal with the frustrating vagaries of a female partner 8^)
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In reply to: In reply to: I just can't recall hearing stories about women going this route. But I guess you're not alone, right? I'll bite - and take the slap on the back of the head; That's probably because most women don't have to deal with the frustrating vagaries of a female partner 8^)
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In reply to: interesting points......i'm from the school of thought that emotions are a destraction.....(which to me, has notthing to do with safety, or comfort: its about choices and reactions and being in control..., its just the way i work on the rock....there's notthing between me and the rock so to speak)....i'm from the jedi-rock-warrior-ninji point of view (hell that should be my new sig!)
Forget, about being a ninja or jedi, erasing emotion be her.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=43729
Photo of Kaitlyn by climbsomething
At least that's what I inspire to be like more of the time. This is the best way as far as I'm concerned to get the most out of any form of climbing. The reason I talk so much about focus is because ultimately it brings a certian "feeling" of well being and joy regardless of your intial or immeadiate emotional state. Even intense fear can become very fun with the correct focus.
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I was getting over a horrible marraige/divorce, and did start to free solo (this was about two years ago). I kidded my myself about my motivations and whatnot, and definitely did it for the wrong reasons. I never did anything approaching my limits, yet, in the spirit of unintended consequences, actually came close to dying.
I'm glad that part of my life is over....
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: I just can't recall hearing stories about women going this route. But I guess you're not alone, right? I'll bite - and take the slap on the back of the head; That's probably because most women don't have to deal with the frustrating vagaries of a female partner 8^) Truth it is you speak young Skywalker!
So, have you guys switched teams yet or started a support group?
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In reply to: So, have you guys switched teams yet or started a support group?
Yes there is a support group it's called climbing (solo or otherwise) and the group meets for beer at the fire afterwards
As for switching teams that up to you guys I stay just where I am
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This is sooo stupid. 1000 DURRRRRings to you and your offspring.
Soloing a route is not the equivalent of putting a gun to your head. This thread makes it sound like it is.
Soloing a route is about trust in your body and respect for your life. It will not make you feel strong and powerful. It won't fix your ego. It won't prove anything.
If you don't understand this, you aren't ready. And yes, it's OK that so many are never ready.
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drector
Aug 3, 2005, 9:31 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: You've never heard the stories cause when women climb something, nobody talks cause nobody cares. Do you take off your skirt to go climbing? In reply to: No. It was about our relashionship, our child, how we deal with problems, sex, and my being a bit lazy. Big misunderstanding that we resolved an hour ago with make-up sex. The problems are not resolved but at least we're talking. Or grunting at least. Do you think maybe you wanted to do it to make her worry? Or worse, feel bad if something (god forbid) were to happen to you? Just some thoughts that crossed my mind.
Absolutely not. I have at times wanted to make her feel bad about making me feel bad but this was not one of them.
Dave
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smith_curry
Aug 3, 2005, 9:44 PM
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Thank you FSHIZZILE...... Free soloing is about being free......Plus after years of climbing in the mountains, the line between soloing and just climbing gets very blurry......
Smith
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drector
Aug 3, 2005, 9:46 PM
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I should be very specific since this got into a stupid discussion about free-solo climbing and it's dangers. This has absolutely nothing to do with climbing safety.
I felt the need to accomplish something difficult. Something mentally and emotionally difficult. If I had felt the need for danger than I would have thought about sky diving or something else I have not done that would have given me a huge rush. No. This was about the need to overcome my own fear and have that lead to success. I would have been happy with a route I've led and top roped 50 times. It would have still made me feel in control of my emotions and my actions.
I brought up this thread because this was not at all because of the desire to be in a dangerous spot nor the desire to kill someone at the post office or make my wife fear for my life. That's why I found it interesting. That's why I though others would find it interesting.
Damn, that post office thing was sure funny though.
Dave
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sick_climba
Aug 4, 2005, 1:05 AM
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yeha i now how that feels, i climb for that reason in general a lot to get out anger and stuff but thats why i used to free solo becasue it took me out of chaos, (mind you it could have put me in more :shock: ) so i would go out find some rock and climb it. it works it really does but there are ther ways no one emotion like that is worth deing over.
climb on
Chris
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lightgreen
Aug 4, 2005, 1:55 AM
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this reminded me of something I've been kicking around my head for a while - what would you say that climb is rated where the Marine is free-soloing? you know the one.
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lightgreen
Aug 4, 2005, 1:59 AM
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I guess I should specify, I'm talking about the commercial where the Marine is climbing in some hellish version of the Grand Canyon or something.
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bighigaz
Aug 4, 2005, 2:09 AM
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hehe, the post office... hehehehehehehhahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I considered soloing after an engagement broke up. Even had the crag picked out. The urge seemed to stay with me for a while, but for some reason I didn't get around to it. I think my climbing improved as a result, though...
Then I met my wife, now I have a daughter. Sometimes I want to head to the right crag and just go with the flow, but my mind wanders back to my family, and I keep the rope on.
Maybe I missed my opportunity? Maybe the perfect opportunity just hasn't shown itself.
I think you just have to know when it's the right time, and be happy climbing with a rope even if the right time never comes.
Besides, every time I flash, onsight, or redpoint a route, I just say to myself, "well then, I could have just soloed that route... the gear was just slowing me down... maybe next time."
Then I go home to my wife and daughter.
I love life! If you decide to solo, keep that love for life with you, I think you'll be better off.
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Aug 4, 2005, 2:14 AM
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In reply to: I considered soloing after an engagement broke up. Even had the crag picked out. The urge seemed to stay with me for a while, but for some reason I didn't get around to it.
DURRR5 for the post. DURRR7 for the thread.
Climbing: It's not just a way to live, it's a way to die. Give it f'ing up already!
-Jay
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ryrock
Aug 4, 2005, 6:59 AM
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In reply to: this reminded me of something I've been kicking around my head for a while - what would you say that climb is rated where the Marine is free-soloing? you know the one.
bonus points for being hell. i don't think it's fair to rate since the marine is, of course, magical. he clearly transforms into a clean cut stud in a snazzy uniform at the end. and where the hell did that sword come from? i've never climbed (free solo or otherwise) and got a sword at the end. but i'm also not very good.
has anyone here ever free soloed something hard enough that they got a uniform and sword at the end...only to realize they were actually hired guns for a military larger than the next 20 largest militaries in the world? just wondering
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ajkclay
Aug 5, 2005, 4:24 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: I just can't recall hearing stories about women going this route. But I guess you're not alone, right? I'll bite - and take the slap on the back of the head; That's probably because most women don't have to deal with the frustrating vagaries of a female partner 8^) Truth it is you speak young Skywalker! So, have you guys switched teams yet or started a support group?
Nope, but if you switched teams, then maybe you might take up soloing :wink:
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kydd76
Jan 6, 2006, 1:53 AM
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Go high ball bouldering above your best send when you feel suicidal that way when you take the fall you’ll really feel dumb in the sitting in a cast. It sounded like a control issue not a soloing thing. The fear is the point, His and to make her feel it too. It is hard to love and live with a woman at the same time. Most of us (men) are trying to find are grace that why we climb in the first place. Family will give it to you but it is a hell of a lot harder than climbing at any level.
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jaflorence
Jan 6, 2006, 3:18 AM
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Hmm... my SO typically gets really pissed after I free-solo, rather than before.
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areuinclimber
Jan 6, 2006, 4:19 AM
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most of you tools really are just old internet fatties.
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