When my wife was pregnant with our first child (no permit!), she came up positive on that bogus downs syndrome test. So they set her up for a genetic screening, to make sure.

In advance of sticking a 10 inch needle into my wife's belly, we were required to sit down with a Genetic Counseler. I'm serious, that was her title.

Now what she did was splain the whole downs thing, and what the test was actually looking for, how it would go down, etc.

But prior to the entrance of our very own Genetic Counseler, we sat there in this office, speaking wtih pathetic affected german accents,

"Your Genetic Papers please!"

"Vee vill remove that defective zygote from your voom and you vill thank us for it ven vee are finished!"

We had tears in our eyes with Ms. Genetics showed up. She must have thought we were whacked as we were laughing hysterically when she came in.

I hope to every non-existence god that has ever cursed humanity, that government NEVER intrudes on us in this facist way. I would take up arms I think, to prevent it. Way to Animal Farm for comfort.

DMT

Actually clausti I am pretty certain that you and every statistic out there that says more educated people make more money is absoulutely wrong:

Start with Bill Gates, a college drop-out, add every football player, basketball player, baseball player, actor and musician who finished highschool or some college. Contrast that with what all the Ph.D's in this country make and I'm sure you'd find the uneducated bunch makes 10 times more

You pompous ass. And I supposed it is a forgone conclusion that you would be granted a permit to breed.

Did you obtain that information from some exclusive ivy league poll? :roll:

OMG, Clausti, you are a living, breathing cliche'.

Clausti was making a one dimensional evaluation of people, and I tried to open her mind to the fact that there is more to these situations than what she proposed from stats.

I don't know why I bother explaining this to you, because I would almost wager cash that you are no longer able to debate with me without prejudice.

tread gently on the genetic councelors, mr milktoast. that is one of my very likely career options.

i think some kind of population control would be good. i think forced abortions are bad. i have obviously not come up with a reasonable solution to this, nor do i really know if i have the resources to do so.

I think you are missing alot of CEO's and top scientists. In addition, there are um maybe 1000 professional football players, 500 professional basketball players, 1000 professional football players. 100/200 top actors (the rest get paid s--- and work in restaurants) and 100/200 top musicians. When you think about it these numbers begin to pale when compared to the millions of uneducated poor out there.

although they in no way represent the absolute truth of things for all people or even most.

The only accurate map is a complete reproduction of the terrain. Everything else is approximate.

Nevertheless, we use maps to great affect, navigating the realities they depict.

Put the map in the hands of an idiot, he gets lost. Put the map in the hands of someone who knows how to use it and she can find Shangri La.

DMT

How eloquently you said nothing.

There are also tens of millions of undereducated working class making upwards of sixty thousand dollar per year, which is in the ball park as where most undergrads and many grads sit. I have met many.

How eloquently you said nothing.

I liked this gem.

"undereducated working class" WTF?

10s of millions of them "make upwards of sixty thousand dollar per year"?
How nice up you to note the upper limit of the range.

How's this compare?
There are over a hundred million workers making upwards of one billion dollars per year.

This business of you just throwing a bunch of vague, irrelevant blather is getting kind of old.

I'll take his prose over your ineloquent sh!t spewed forth. You're spinning yourself into a quagmire, my friend.

My point is that I might seem acerbic with RC.Com members at times, although most of it is meant in the spirit of good natured banter, and most of my attacks are provoked by people like you.

They also know that I am open, direct, fair, and honest. I concede my mistakes, and I apologize when I have behaved in a manner unbefitting of civilized interaction,

There you have it, amigo. And he's still doing it, like a broken record. This is a fascinating and tricky business. It's also something we all do, though rarely with the blind venom of brethren Rufus.

In old psychodynamic terms, it's called "objective identification," whereas you subtly rile folks, often with faux objectivity and civility, all the while projecting your own insanity onto someone else who will act it out for you. Later you act surprised and disappointed that someone would ever call you a “prick,” mindless to the fact that you unconsciously evoked the response in the first place.

Objective identification is a subtle and destructive psychological racket because it's so unconscious. It’s also a hard habit for anyone to break because there’s rarely any ownership of admittance to doing so, rather the person will predictably try and invert the issue and say it's something someone else is doing, or will engage in some other form of attack (i.e., deflection--"It's you, it's you, it's you--NOT me!")--anything but cease and desist doing what he’s doing--and denying.

Though rare to this extent and gravity, it makes such folks the biggest trolls on any site.

It was a rhetorical question

The only accurate map is a complete reproduction of the terrain. Everything else is approximate.

Nevertheless, we use maps to great affect, navigating the realities they depict.

Put the map in the hands of an idiot, he gets lost. Put the map in the hands of someone who knows how to use it and she can find Shangri La.

DMT

Males - the latest victims of a non-responsive education system. :roll:

I didn't read it all, so I may be off the mark, but this sounds like another well-developed rationalization, made to excuse poor performance.

Bottom Line - School is supposed to be hard. Part of getting a good education is learning skills/habits that help us deal with aspects of life where our natural talents may be lacking.

Easy there. The article pretty much supports your point. The problem is pointed out that school discourages many things that boys respond to well for learning--competition for example. Girls generally women perform better in cooperative environments, boys perform better in competitive ones. Individual exceptions exist--many of them--but the point is that men are falling back in general because of these factors. Even in science based curriculums, like say, Georgetown Medical School here in DC, women outnumber men.

UB

I will answer them as one. It wasn't any particular thing that you said. It was the overall tone of the body of your statements that came across to me that way. Try reading them from the position of the people whom you are portraying, and see if you don't hear what I heard. You might be surprised. I always try to put myself in one's position, before I level such criticisms.

In "professional" disciplines (law, medicine, etc.) that's true. However in the "hard" sciences and engineering, men still far outnumber women in both undergraduate and graduate schools.

Curt

You are like the energizer bunny. You are admirably earning your title as class clown. Quite the role model for your children. Is your wife out supporting them while you act the fool all afternoon on the computer? Don't answer that. It was a rhetorical question.

Hilarious! This from the guy with 1.5k posts in < half a year?

Better a clown than a dunce!

Actually, you did. I read nothing into your post.