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gripcoach
Mar 16, 2011, 1:19 PM
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If you are using a conventional gripper that are on the market is good and you should keep doing that. Unfortunately grippers don't incorperate the thumb and the thumb is a big key to real grip strngth
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sidepull
Mar 16, 2011, 1:47 PM
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I want a t-shirt that reads:
Gripcoach gave me kinetic chin
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spikeddem
Mar 16, 2011, 2:10 PM
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*Plonk*
That took me way too long.
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DouglasHunter
Mar 16, 2011, 2:50 PM
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gripcoach wrote: If you are using a conventional gripper that are on the market is good and you should keep doing that. Unfortunately grippers don't incorperate the thumb and the thumb is a big key to real grip strngth
multiple choice, the grip coach is:
A) A fool with no idea what he is talking about.
b) A well intended but clueless dude.
c) A troll.
d) Doing a poor job of getting people psyched to buy his product.
e) The best source there is for kinetic chin.
f) All of the above.
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jbro_135
Mar 16, 2011, 3:36 PM
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ooo ooo it's f) all of the above
what do i win???
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Jooler
Mar 16, 2011, 4:17 PM
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What about crimp or open hand when NOT using the thumb? All the grips you posted earlier include the thumb.
On that note, my answer is 'f'.
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gmggg
Mar 16, 2011, 4:52 PM
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saint_john wrote: Haven't we concluded that Gibbons are better climbers than Gorillas? If the OP can get me Gibbon-grip I'll give him my credit card number right now.
You'll have to start by breaking your finger bones and reshaping them into a slight curve. Then remove the second knuckle of your thumb and replace it with a ball joint.
Of course that will probably only help you in trees.
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cracklover
Mar 16, 2011, 5:17 PM
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gmggg wrote: saint_john wrote: Haven't we concluded that Gibbons are better climbers than Gorillas? If the OP can get me Gibbon-grip I'll give him my credit card number right now. You'll have to start by breaking your finger bones and reshaping them into a slight curve. Then remove the second knuckle of your thumb and replace it with a ball joint. Of course that will probably only help you in trees.
References? I know their wrists are constructed differently, but their thumbs? Really?
And as an adaptation... In reply to: Gibbons have shoulder flexors, extensors, rotator muscles and elbow flexors with a high power or work-generating capacity and their wrist flexors have a high force-generating capacity. Compared with other primates, the elbow flexors of gibbons are particularly powerful...*
... would make a superb climber of anything.
GO
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19519640
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gmggg
Mar 16, 2011, 5:41 PM
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cracklover wrote: gmggg wrote: saint_john wrote: Haven't we concluded that Gibbons are better climbers than Gorillas? If the OP can get me Gibbon-grip I'll give him my credit card number right now. You'll have to start by breaking your finger bones and reshaping them into a slight curve. Then remove the second knuckle of your thumb and replace it with a ball joint. Of course that will probably only help you in trees. References? I know their wrists are constructed differently, but their thumbs? Really? And as an adaptation... In reply to: Gibbons have shoulder flexors, extensors, rotator muscles and elbow flexors with a high power or work-generating capacity and their wrist flexors have a high force-generating capacity. Compared with other primates, the elbow flexors of gibbons are particularly powerful...* ... would make a superb climber of anything. GO * http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19519640
http://www.jstor.org/pss/671518
But to be fair, I was incorrect about the ball and socket joint vs. hinge joint on the thumb it is at the wrist joint, not the second knuckle.
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gmggg
Mar 16, 2011, 5:48 PM
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cracklover wrote: gmggg wrote: saint_john wrote: Haven't we concluded that Gibbons are better climbers than Gorillas? If the OP can get me Gibbon-grip I'll give him my credit card number right now. You'll have to start by breaking your finger bones and reshaping them into a slight curve. Then remove the second knuckle of your thumb and replace it with a ball joint. Of course that will probably only help you in trees. References? I know their wrists are constructed differently, but their thumbs? Really? And as an adaptation... In reply to: Gibbons have shoulder flexors, extensors, rotator muscles and elbow flexors with a high power or work-generating capacity and their wrist flexors have a high force-generating capacity. Compared with other primates, the elbow flexors of gibbons are particularly powerful...* ... would make a superb climber of anything. GO * http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19519640
Ooh. Here's another good page, with lots of pictures...
http://www.gibbons.de/...apter_english01.html
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DouglasHunter
Mar 16, 2011, 5:58 PM
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jbro_135 wrote: ooo ooo it's f) all of the above what do i win???
As you read this you will notice your forearms swelling, your fingers getting impossibly long, and your skin getting leathery. Your prize is that you are now bestowed with Gorilla Grip. Good work my son, go forth and climb . . . trees.
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gmggg
Mar 16, 2011, 6:03 PM
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DouglasHunter wrote: jbro_135 wrote: ooo ooo it's f) all of the above what do i win??? As you read this you will notice your forearms swelling, your fingers getting impossibly long, and your skin getting leathery. Your prize is that you are now bestowed with Gorilla Grip. Good work my son, go forth and climb . . . trees.
Guerrillas aren't especially good at climbing trees.
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jt512
Mar 16, 2011, 6:16 PM
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I knew from your first post, when you used the term "grip" instead of "finger strength," that you didn't know what you were talking about, but I couldn't prove it.
Now I can:
gripcoach wrote: To start with there are three different types of grip humans have. Rock climbers should be concerned with all three and work all three. Pinch grip: When your thumb is on one side of an object and your fingers are on the other side and the object is pinched between them. Crushing grip: the kind you use for a hand shake or when one uses a hand gripper, or pliers. And claw Grip: the kind you use when opening a big jar.
I'm not sure what you're selling, but I'm sure you'll let us know soon.
Jay
(This post was edited by jt512 on Mar 16, 2011, 6:18 PM)
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jt512
Mar 16, 2011, 6:20 PM
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spikeddem wrote: *Plonk* That took me way too long.
You cam improve that with training.
-Killfilecoach
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spikeddem
Mar 16, 2011, 6:40 PM
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jt512 wrote: spikeddem wrote: *Plonk* That took me way too long. You cam improve that with training. -Killfilecoach
Perhaps I should pick up a copy of The Self-Coached Killfiler on Amazon.
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gripcoach
Mar 16, 2011, 6:54 PM
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I'm selling nothing! I thought that someone might be interested in grip training, but I was mistaken. Most of you are just a bunch of jerk offs. Not worth my time. I have real athletes to train.
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sungam
Mar 16, 2011, 7:03 PM
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gripcoach wrote: I'm selling nothing! I thought that someone might be interested in grip training, but I was mistaken. Most of you are just a bunch of jerk offs. Not worth my time. I have real athletes to train.
bwahahahahaha! I am SO F*CKING FUNNY!!!!!!!
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dynosore
Mar 16, 2011, 7:31 PM
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gripcoach wrote: I'm selling nothing! I thought that someone might be interested in grip training, but I was mistaken. Most of you are just a bunch of jerk offs. Not worth my time. I have real athletes to train.
now you're trying too hard.
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jt512
Mar 16, 2011, 7:31 PM
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gripcoach wrote: I'm selling nothing! I thought that someone might be interested in grip training, but I was mistaken. Most of you are just a bunch of jerk offs. Not worth my time. I have real athletes to train.
Actually, it is you who is not worth our time. Please go to a website whose athletes could use your help. Bowling.com comes to mind.
Jay
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gmggg
Mar 16, 2011, 7:50 PM
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jt512 wrote: gripcoach wrote: I'm selling nothing! I thought that someone might be interested in grip training, but I was mistaken. Most of you are just a bunch of jerk offs. Not worth my time. I have real athletes to train. Actually, it is you who is not worth our time. Please go to a website whose athletes could use your help. Bowling.com comes to mind. Jay
But he might end up crushing their balls with his mighty mighty gorilla grip.
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Toast_in_the_Machine
Mar 16, 2011, 8:25 PM
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jt512 wrote: gripcoach wrote: I'm selling nothing! I thought that someone might be interested in grip training, but I was mistaken. Most of you are just a bunch of jerk offs. Not worth my time. I have real athletes to train. Actually, it is you who is not worth our time. Please go to a website whose athletes could use your help. Bowling.com comes to mind. Jay
Sloper grip
http://m.youtube.com/...l7VeIcVj7o&gl=US
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flesh
Mar 16, 2011, 9:44 PM
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I've read through a bit of this. In the past I used different level grip devices.
At worst they don't seem to apply to climbing. At best, it would be better to campus on pinches to improve thumb/pinch strength, and better to campus for finger strength.
I tried them i really did! Didn't notice anything.
However, an easy one is great to get the hands warmed up and the blood flowing while driving to climbing.
Does grip coach climb? Or is he MMA guy?
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robdotcalm
Mar 17, 2011, 12:05 AM
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John Brookfield has devoted a lot of time to studying grip strength. His two books cover the area rather completely. The “Mastery” book has a lot of fun exercises in it even if most of them do not enhance one’s climbing ability. So if anybody is still reading this and interested in grip strength it’s worth taking a look at these books. And Ironmind has no end of grip enhancing devices, which may not help your climbing but you can impress people at parties by bending nails.
http://ironmind-store.com/...al/productinfo/1283/
http://ironmind-store.com/...on/productinfo/1273/
Cheers,
Rob.calm
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billcoe_
Mar 17, 2011, 4:01 PM
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To those who don't want to hear the man out and already know it all, go someplace else so that those who want can have a grown up discussion.
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md3
Mar 17, 2011, 5:30 PM
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One of the reasons I used to like the climbing community was that it was made up of mostly good people. Reliably decent and often interesting individuals. Its still mostly true when I get out beyond the gym like areas. Someone who might not have a climbing specific training background offers some thoughts on a particular type of training and you think that's a good reason to give them a hard time? Who are you people?
As to different types of strength: I have wondered if the tendentious I have had at times wasn't due in part to training that was too climbing specific. You can always learn something from other people if you are willing to be a little bit open. Using some minor feeling you have of being "in" a group because you know some basics about it to justify being rude to someone in order to bolster your own self esteem in some way is pretty pathetic. The climbing community I have always respected so much has always valued decency as a person over any particular set of climbing skills or expertise.
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