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watersprite
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For the next 2 nights the Echo-Challange is on. I think it's from 9-10 or
10-11. I know you will get it with a satellite dish. Climbing, hiking, Kayaking... It motivates me and check it out, I
think it will get you're blood going.
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madriver
May 7, 2003, 10:04 PM
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watersprite wrote....
In reply to: It motivates me and check it out, I think it will get you're blood going.
..... I watched it last night....there was a lot of "blood letting"...!!!
MR 8)
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krestkid
May 7, 2003, 10:06 PM
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It's on the USA channel! I would love to do that!
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gretchino
May 7, 2003, 10:24 PM
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The competition looks fun, but have you seen the follow-ups on the participants? Good grief all the parasites/germies they get! Yuck yuck yuck...no thanks!
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alpinist
May 7, 2003, 10:30 PM
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I usually don't take the time to watch but I did last night. Even with all the "blood-letting" it looked like a lot of fun.
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keinangst
May 7, 2003, 10:41 PM
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Agh! My local listings show it on at 1am and 4am for the next two nights...
I'm so sick of the good stuff taking a back seat to Arena Football... :roll:
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missedyno
May 7, 2003, 11:10 PM
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yeah, someone here at work left an advertisement about it on my desk one day... looks interesting....
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May 7, 2003, 11:54 PM
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Of the 80 groups that started this year only 10 groups finished the race. Thats one tough race!!
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chalker7
May 7, 2003, 11:58 PM
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i watched it too and it makes me wanna go Adventure Racing who's coming with me me?!?!? on-ward eco-soldiers!!!
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valygrl
May 8, 2003, 12:24 AM
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Adventure Racing KICKS ASS!!!! I did one last year, it was sooo fun. It was a short one - we raced for 22 hours and DNF'd (failed to find a checkpoint in the dark and snow). Wish I could do more, but it really requires a lot of training time. My nose partner bailed on me because he's training for Primal Quest and doesn't have time to climb.
You gotta pick your priorities, I guess.
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Anna
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krestkid
May 8, 2003, 1:11 AM
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I wanna go on an adventure race! As soon as I get time...first comes studying for finals!
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climberxterra
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Its a good show, im gonna watch it right now.
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daggerx
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I have done 3 adventure races, in the past 2 years, and are going to do another at the end of summer. they are a lot of fun, but you have to train really hard, a lot harder then you do if you want to climb a 5.13 or any thing like that. But it's worth it.
also the eco-challene is the one of top 3 hardest adventure races in the word.
later DaggerX
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madriver
May 8, 2003, 6:03 PM
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They should call this one......
50 yards to the Outhouse ...
by ...Will E. Makeit
I almost got sick myself when that guy was pukin and sh1tin himself in the kayak!!! This is the toughest one I have seen yet.
MR :!:
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keinangst
May 8, 2003, 6:06 PM
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In reply to: also the eco-challene is the one of top 3 hardest adventure races in the word.
The Raid Gauloises is extremely intense, but not as TV-friendly IIRC. What's another really tough, famous race?
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daggerx
May 9, 2003, 3:15 PM
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Kein, The other race I was talking about is the El' rapise challange last year it was in the rain forest. The fastest team made it to the finish line in like 11days or so. I have a buddy training for it.
DaggerX
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crack_climber
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Who put the Adventure Races on? The only one I have ever heard of is the Eco-Challenge...
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jerrygarcia
May 9, 2003, 3:20 PM
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In reply to: Of the 80 groups that started this year only 10 groups finished the race. Thats one tough race!!
I wana know how the smirnoff playboy plamates team made it farther than most other teams. Ill bet the promoters had a clause that they would be carted via plane close to the finish just to keep them on tv.
[edit] kill your tv, its ruining humanity.
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meataxe
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In reply to: Who put the Adventure Races on? The only one I have ever heard of is the Eco-Challenge...
http://www.raidthenorth.com/
http://www.sea2summit.com/
http://www.adventureracingcanada.com/
These are mostly Canadian, I think there are a number of others...
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May 9, 2003, 4:03 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Of the 80 groups that started this year only 10 groups finished the race. Thats one tough race!! I wana know how the smirnoff playboy plamates team made it farther than most other teams. Ill bet the promoters had a clause that they would be carted via plane close to the finish just to keep them on tv.
If you watched the last show you know how hard those women pushed themselves. Their teammate, Roman Dial, is a very experienced expedition climber (among many other achievements), but it didn't appear that he was carrying or dominating the group. Let's set stereotypes aside and give credit where credit is due.
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jerrygarcia
May 9, 2003, 4:07 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Of the 80 groups that started this year only 10 groups finished the race. Thats one tough race!! I wana know how the smirnoff playboy plamates team made it farther than most other teams. Ill bet the promoters had a clause that they would be carted via plane close to the finish just to keep them on tv. If you watched the last show you know how hard those women pushed themselves. Their teammate, Roman Dial, is a very experienced expedition climber (among many other achievements), but it didn't appear that he was carrying or dominating the group. Let's set stereotypes aside and give credit where credit is due.
Sorry, I think im more angry at tv stations for putting on stupid shi+ like the smirnoff ice playboy plamtaes to get viewers for such a show. I dont care whether they can make it across the finish line or not. Tv is in a sad state and it makes me want to cry.
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xkyczar
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As I understand it the big five organizers are: the Raid Gauloises, the Southern Traverse, the Elf Authentic Adventure, the Subaru Primal Quest and the Eco-Challenge. Elf came out of a Raid management split. Raid and Southern Traverse are the oldest. Eco has "a habit of upstaging the competition by scheduling races head-to-head with competitors, and even scheduling a race on a rival's home turf weeks apart from the long-established, local event."
According to SleepMonsters.com Eco will not be run this year and Primal Quest announced "a major TV deal which they say is 'the highest-profile appearance of this young sport since its inception in 1989.'"
As far as I can tell the Adventure racing world is even more Soap Operetic than the climbing world.
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valygrl
May 9, 2003, 4:43 PM
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http://www.csmevents.com/adventure_racing.html
I did one from that series last year, it's called Cal Eco, my team mates are Team Seagate Adventure, they are doing really well (without me!) (I was a stand-in for an injured team member).
Here's a bunch of links:
http://members.attcanada.ca/~ceaston/adventure.html
Race on!
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In reply to: As far as I can tell the Adventure racing world is even more Soap Operetic than the climbing world.
It is, and certainly the Eco Challenge in particular plays up that aspect in its made-for-TV format. It's an entertainment, for us couch potatoes -- but a good entertainment, don't you think? I find myself watching it year after year, and wish the format was longer to tell us more about the "other" teams they don't select for spotlight treatment. Most of the 10 teams that finished were among those others; never mentioned until their 5 second clips at the finish.
And each year, we see some onscreen mental meltdowns from people who shouldn't be there. What's more interesting to me is the sight of other folks who might seem like they "shouldn't be there," (this year, we had actors and reality-show contestants as well as models) but who keep their will and good humor thrashing uphill through the thorn bushes or getting hypothermic in the river just like everyone else. They're at a different skill level than the top athletes who train for years hoping to win, but still accomplishing a difficult thing.
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madriver
May 9, 2003, 5:35 PM
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Fiji Eco-Challenge was INSANE.....!! I have NO desire to go there now, for fear of infection, vomiting fits, and diahrea!!
Last years was the best (New Zealand I think?).....when the Brazillian girls and their stooge of a male (the navigator) got them sooooo lost.....and the girls bitchin at him the rest of the race!!!
Fiji....No F__KIN WAY!!! I think a that one team that had to stay in the village (Team MadRiver!!) I think...said they would come back and visit....HA...HA...AH...yeah right!!
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argurl
May 9, 2003, 5:52 PM
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here are some more for those interested:
www.oarevents.com
www.racingahead.com
www.southerntraverse.com
there are also some other races and series in the colorado, california, nevada area, such as primal quest and cal eco (mentioned earlier).
i'm glad to see the interest in AR. now i won't always have to say "...well have you seen the eco-challenge..." when people ask me what i do. :D
happy friday all! 8)
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madriver
May 9, 2003, 5:57 PM
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argurl wrote........
In reply to: i'm glad to see the interest in AR. now i won't always have to say "...well have you seen the eco-challenge..." when people ask me what i do.
...way cool!!! What team do you race for? How do you get started? I have a daughter who is interested in it.
Thanks,
Bob
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argurl
May 9, 2003, 6:04 PM
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In reply to: As far as I can tell the Adventure racing world is even more Soap Operetic than the climbing world.
one additional note...please don't think this. it is not necessarily true. it is a great sport, and i love it. through the years, it has been hard to get sponsors to put these things on, and i think that explains the excitement about coverage, etc.
granted, there are those out there who glam it up :? and the eco-challenge is one of the top at this. sometimes i even snarl and scoff at the tv as i, of course, sit watching it. :oops: i am amazed how that man (burnett) makes it more into a soap opera every year.
being said, every sport's world has this unfortunate side-effect, including AR and climbing, but we're definitely not all like that, right? thank goodness! :mrgreen:
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:evil: Damnation, how did I manage to miss this thread?! How I love the eco challenge......
Mike...
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taraus_de_bull
May 9, 2003, 6:11 PM
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is the eco challenge still on tv? if so what channel??
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krestkid
May 9, 2003, 6:17 PM
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The final episode was on last night...but I'm sure they will play re-runs especially over the weekend. It's on the USA channel.
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wow, i'm a posting fool today...
that's great bob! i have been racing for several years, but not with an official team. last year a few of us hardheaded crazies sat down and are in the process of working our way to the eco or something like it....really anything, we love the sport. likely it will take a couple of years.
we are team ascension. we had a good run last year and are trying bigger, better races this year with the hope of improving more.
the main thing is $$$ :roll:
sooo, we're hoping if this year goes great, we'll be able to land some sponsorship.
as for your daughter, i think that's great. there is so much that can go into it depending to what level you want to compete. i would be happy to elaborate more sometime next week. i'm trying to finish up here at work and get out early so i can finish preparing for a race i have this weekend! :shock:
just let me know...
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madriver
May 9, 2003, 7:03 PM
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Argurl....
Good luck and let us know how you did in the race..
Peace
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In reply to: As far as I can tell the Adventure racing world is even more Soap Operetic than the climbing world.
Actually I was not referring to the TV side portrayal of Adventure Racing, but the more internal squabbles between organizers and competitors. The kind of stuff we see play out here on rc.com. There is also a fair amount of bad blood between certain organizers. I would say this is about par for the course of a new sport that's beginning to catch the attention of big media and money. I think it is a great sport that will continue to grow and create a more definitive identity for itself.
Though I don't race myself, my brother competes at a fairly high level. If you're interested check out his team at:
www.teamnomad.com/
Argurl, good luck with team ascension. I know how tough the sponsorship thing can be.
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May 9, 2003, 7:40 PM
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hey people !! the next race is in Canada in Sault Saint Marie, ON, is the Eco Challenge North America Championship, july 21 starts the competition, I apply to be a Volunteer and know what... im gona be there, isn't cool..... :lol:
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In reply to: hey people !! the next race is in Canada in Sault Saint Marie, ON, is the Eco Challenge North America Championship, july 21 starts the competition, I apply to be a Volunteer and know what... im gona be there, isn't cool..... :lol:
That's very cool if you got on as a volunteer! Sure, it's non-pay but hell...
Mike...
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The guy who was on last night talking about how cuts in Fiji get infected without treatment in 24 hours was Mike Waugh, who is on the cover of Sherman's Better Bouldering book and is also a very accomplished climber, somewhat of a legend here in SoCal...
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[quote="valygrl"]Adventure Racing KICKS ASS!!!! I did one last year, it was sooo fun. It was a short one - we raced for 22 hours and DNF'd (failed to find a checkpoint in the dark and snow). Wish I could do more, but it really requires a lot of training time. My nose partner bailed on me because he's training for Primal Quest and doesn't have time to climb.
You gotta pick your priorities, I guess.
:)
AnnaPrimal Quest !! That's my big wall bro...... Do yo know Dan Barger ??
Ca. sports ????
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May 10, 2003, 12:17 PM
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So nice! I wish I could go some day!!! :)
Actually I have a good friend who was in this eco challenge, she's from Costa Rica, and when she was back she told me all about it, she says it is so danm hard to finish. Her couldn't because her captain broke his toe, but they almost made it, but still the adventure was amazing.
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Eco Challenge is no joke. I can't believe the suffering these people go through! This year (Fiji) only 10 teams out of 89 even finished the race!!!
How do I sign up!!! :shock:
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In reply to: As far as I can tell the Adventure racing world is even more Soap Operetic than the climbing world.
Well...you know who is the director of Eco-Challenge? It's the same guy that puts on the Survivor TV shows. I can't think of his name right now but check it out.
That should tel you why the Eco is filmed the way it is.
Bryan
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sorry....
what is "eco chalengge".........? :P
I am an Indonesian climber.
note : Indonesia have a lot of rock with a good view there.....
Interested ? just drop me a pm :)
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Mark Burnett is the Producer/Creator of Survivor and Eco-Challenge, he's a former adventure racer himself having competed in the Raid Gauloises. He has made Gerard Fusil's race format (the Raid) more television friendly.
I think that Burnett got the idea for Survivor out of the apparent fact that in an early broadcast of Eco-C, when tested, viewers enjoyed the bickering and team in-fighting under duress the most.
Human nature, isn't it grand?
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May 10, 2003, 7:20 PM
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Adventure racing is something I wanna do....
Maybe next year when I have time.. This year I have eight 100 mile races to run.... I also want to get in a lot of climbing..
So much to do so little time!!!!
Catra
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recorded the whole thing, now just need to watch it :)
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