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chizelz
Jun 11, 2004, 5:12 PM
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Ok here it is version one of a somewhat database, in the form of a thread. Dunno how it will turn out??? With your contributions it may become a good resource for the home gym builder. Here are my thoughts, and in no way do I think that they are perfect so if you have some ideas by all means please share them. Copy and paste the following text into a reply in the running thread, and simply fill in the blanks with your information...... Please copy and paste, not quote as the quote windows might get a little annoying. I thought that some formatting might make the whole thread a little more organized, and easy for people to find information. As well I think that it would be nice if you could post the actual pictures within the thread instead of links.....(picture ideas... pics of your wall during construction, funky or special details, finished wall pics) I'm not trying to be a thread nazi but I think it would be nice if we could keep the focus of this thread on the WALLS, and not the climbing butts... ;)
Name: (you or your wall)
Location: (of your wall)
Length/Width/Height: (feet and inches)
Total Climbing Area: (square feet of climbable area)
# of T-Nuts: (total if you know if not guess)
# of Climbing Holds: (total if you know if not guess)
Types of Holds: (manufacturers, styles)
Favorite Holds: (series or manufacturer)
Building Materials Used: (wood, plywood, steel, concrete block, etc..)
Construction Methods: (any special details or conditions)
Approximate Cost to Build: (with or without holds if yea fell like sharing)
Future Expansions: (what if anything are you going to build next)
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': (mistakes, wish list, advice)
Oh, and.....: (anything I missed)
(pictures)
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chizelz
Jun 11, 2004, 5:19 PM
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Name: chizelz
Location: indoor/on an exterior wall, in my house, close to kids playroom
Length/Width/Height: 8' wide, 28' high
Total Climbing Area: 224 square'
# of T-Nuts: 144 per sheet/1008 total
# of Climbing Holds: ~400
Types of Holds: xcilver,metolius, nicros, "homers"
Nice
Favorite Holds: couldn't say yet......
Building Materials Used: 3/4" G1S (good one side), pre-engineered wood studs, 2x6 blocking,
Construction Methods: 2x6 blocking between studs/behind plywood for both lead and top rope anchors. Buit on an exterior wall, therefore careful attention was made to keep the vapor barrier continuous. T-nuts were glued, with liquid nails, then carefully hammered in.
Approximate Cost to Build: plywood=$350, studs (I needed them for the house anyway so I don't really include them but anyway)=$700, T-Nuts=$144 Holds=~$250 (gotta love ebay) Anchors/Bolts=$30.00 for a total of.....(yikes) $1474.00
Future Expansions: going to make some plywood modular elements that can be bolted on and moved around, and that holds can be bolted into, pyramids, waves, boxes, wedges, angles, domes, steps, domes... just to name a few. As well, next summer I hope to building a freestanding outdoor climbing structure/sculpture.
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': I wish I hadn't have built it on an exterior wall then I wouldn't have had to worry about the bolt lengths of holds, and puncturing my vapor barrier. I havn't been able to spend any time on my wall to grow to hate it being straight vertical, and I hope by adding the modular plywood elements I will be able to keep it interesting. Advice - take the time to plan it all out, build a model, ask questions, all before you start, build it safe, and as anxious as you get to finish it all up and get climbing... take your time.
Oh, and.....: yup its in my house, for more of a description of the house, and an explanation of the contained spaces here's a thread about my wall, where some of the elements are explained. http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57992
Wall during construction
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=29636
The space where my wall is going with the vapor barrier and insulation complete, lead and top rope anchors have yet to be installed, and temproary platforms are in place at each floor for construction. Studs are continuous from bottom to top plate, ~28' long, one piece.
During Construction 2
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=30512
Another view of the space where the wall will be built, picture taken from the third floor. Lead and top rope anchors are now installed.
First Few Panels
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=30514
First three panels are up. Panels are screwed to engineered wood studs, at ~ 8" o.c. vertically and 16" o.c. horizontally w/ 2-1/2" flooring screws. Each hole was drilled w/ a pilot hole, and counter sunk. Because I wouldn't ever have access to the back of the wall again once the plywood was up, the lead and top rope anchors were constructed prior to the panels. With the anchors/bolts in place prior to the panels, the locations had to be carefully measured and transfered to the panels, then drilled out, so the plywood could be placed over the anchors and allow the bolts to protrude with a fairly snug fit.
Almost Complete 1
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=31122
View from main floor, 6 sheets of plywood are now up, only missing one small wedge shaped piece that matchtes the roof curve at the top. Drywall is started around wall.
Almost Complete 2
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=31124
View from Second floor.
Almost Complete 3
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=31123
View from Third Floor
First Couple of Routes
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=36500
View from Main Floor
First Couple of Routes 2
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=36501
View From Second Floor
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overlord
Jun 11, 2004, 5:43 PM
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Name: "Stenca"
Location: Friends attic across the street
Length/width/height: the base is 14m long, height about 3.5m
climbing area: 45-50m square
No of Tnuts: about 600
No of holds: about 120, going to buy anoher 40 or so soon
type of holds: okej climbing (i know the owners so we got some discout), now were getting some Lapis, not sure exactly which sets, but definitely slopers #2
Favorite hold: Lapis slopers #2 set
Materials used: plywood 1.5inch, 4x8inch framing about 3 feet apart
Construction method: we just bolted the framing onto the preexisting roof support structure in the building wich made for a really nice start (really thick wooden beams), then screwed the plywood onto the framing
cost: with holds and everything about 400-500$, but we got the framing material free
Future expansions: going to expand upwards a bit to make thing more interesting, to about 5m height. also some home made larger features (just pyramids made of plywood covered with texture paint with holes for tnus)
No mistakes made that we know of. maybe we were should have put in a bit more tnuts, but the back is easily accesible so we can add them at will.
oh, and, its really gives you a pump. we have a "only fooholds" rule wich means you can only step on footholds (unles when trainling, but when youre trailing, you wish you could use the footholds) so its really good for footing becasue most footholds are screwon jibs. they have many advantages over bolt footholds: theyre smaller (you dont usually have 1inch footholds in nature) and dont use up tnuts. but you cant change them as easily.
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nateinva
Jun 12, 2004, 1:07 AM
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Name: Nate
Location: Richmond, VA
Length/Width/Height: 10'8" tall, 8' wide, 6.5' deep
Total Climbing Area: 100 sq feet on the 30 degree --> 50 degree --> 70 degree face. 80 sq feet on the 8'w X 10'h back wall. And the sides are plyed as well(you can do the math).
# of T-Nuts: 800 T-Nuts from cheapholds.com
# of Climbing Holds: around 210 right now. Got a great deal on eBay.
Types of Holds: Dyno Holds, Cheap Holds, Morganic Holds, HRT-Holds, Synrock insets and slopers, Oddity Holds, Metolius, Nicros, Franklin, and some randoms from my local gym(Peak Experiences).
Favorite Holds: I really like the Syrock insets.
Building Materials Used: Treated 2x4s, 2x6s, and 3/4" plywood pretty much.
Construction Methods: Attaching nailplates(108) to every joint on my trusses made her sturdy as a beast.
Approximate Cost to Build: aboot $1000 without the holds or bolts or rocks.
Future Expansions: I wouldn't mind framing around the shed to get some more traverse options out of it. But that's way down the road after I have 400 holds on the wall.
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': Shoulda--planned on putting plywood all the way around. I designed it just to climb the face, but once I stood it up, I quickly realized i'd have to shell out the extra $$ to ply the whole thing. Well worth it. Woulda--planned the cuts more carefully. You can see in a few of the pictures the extent of my carpentry skills. But as I said, it turned out solid as a rock.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=31720
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=32256
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=32456
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=36525
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=36526
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=36527
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kappydane
Jun 12, 2004, 1:19 AM
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Location: Olathe KS
Total wall has: 8 x 8.5 ft verticle, 8 x 9 ft 30 degree, 4 x 12 ft 45 degree, 4 x 9 ft 45 to vert, triangle of vert capping the 45 degree section.
About 220 sq ft.
T-nuts on 8" grid pattern on all panels.
Holds - lot from ebay - synrock, nicros, metolius, atomic, and some VERY OLD ones from a wall i had 15 years ago.
Favorite holds - synrock slopers, Metolius jugs, Nicros for big features.
Number of holds - too many. Most tnuts have a hold! Try to cluster slopers, crips, jugs, pinches and pockets in groups so you can have "all sloper", "all pocket", "all jug" type of routes without changing holds.
Had to leave corners open for access to plumbing fixtures and pipes but this makes it harder to take cheat rests when going around the corners.
12 ft long 45 degree followed by 45 degree to vertical followed by 8 ft wide 30 degree section
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=33763
The low angle walls of the penisula, 8 ft of vertical behind it and the side of the 45 degree section nearest the camerahttp://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=42214
8 ft of verticle leading to the 30 degree section. Verticle is great for warmup and for footwork and balance before pumping out on the overhanging parts.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=33764
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rockclimber057
Jun 12, 2004, 1:52 AM
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Here is my wall in Queen Creek Arizona.
Name: "The Oven"
Location: The garage
Length/Width/Height: 13' long x 8' 6" tall in 3 sections (1st is 36", second and third 48" each) plus arrete and deheidrel.
Total Climbing Area: 200+
# of T-Nuts: 500+
# of Climbing Holds: 165+
Types of Holds: Mostly metolious, a few homemade
Favorite Holds: Anything deep or positive.
Building Materials Used: Built from 3/4" ply, 2x4's and assorted hardware.
Construction Methods: 4" deck screws anchor to the studs into the back wall and into the attic. The thing is just framed up and covered with ply.
Approximate Cost to Build: $800+
Future Expansions: A wall on the left side that is not as steep. A swamp cooler!
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': This is very steep for the beginer, maybe added some easier angles.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=33962
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okie_redneck
Jun 12, 2004, 5:28 AM
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Name: okie_redneck
Location: indoor in the entry staircase to my apartment
Length/Width/Height: 12' wide around corner, 17' high (from lowest point)
Total Climbing Area: about 165 square feet
# of T-Nuts: 558 total
# of Climbing Holds: 136 bolt on, maybe as many screw on
Types of Holds: Nicros, Morganic, Metoulious, Cheap Holds, homemade :D
Favorite Holds: Nicros, any kind. You don't even have to spin some of them to turn an edge into a sloper.
Building Materials Used: 3/4" MDF, 2x4s
Construction Methods: Screwed 2x4s over studs, screwed MDF over 2x4s. Screwed v-framing in corner, screwed MDF vee over that
Approximate Cost to Build: MDF=$90, studs=$42, T-Nuts=$60 Holds=maybe $350, Total= $550 (screws, anchors, etc included)
Future Expansions: Gonna build an overhang into my living room that'll allow me to drop onto my couch. I'll have to get creative because my landlord won't allow me to touch the ceiling
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': More T-nuts!
Wall during construction
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=33976
I used MDF because of its strength and smoothness (heavy, though). I had to cut The boards in two to make them managable when I got higher than this. I couldn't wait for my holds on order, so I drilled holes in limestone I gathered out of my mother's yard. I've made pinches, slopers, and jugs. They would be worth selling if they didn't take so long to make.
wall almost finished
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=34477
I made the paint myself by mixing silica sand with regular latex in a 10/1 ratio. It smears pretty well and only cost $5. You can see a bare wall. MDF will eventually be going up there too (chimney for someone my size). I'll be bolting 2x6s to it to support a roof in a month or so.
20 degree overhang lite
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=34478
I used a tablesaw to cut a 45 degree angle in 2x4s and glued the cut to the 2x4s with Gorilla Glue to form a 4x4 frame I used 2x4s horizontally in between the outside edges to make it more rigid. I cut 45 degree angles on the sides of the MDF to make it sit more or less flush and used a crap load of screws to put it up. Nice and sturdy, I must say.
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wyattearp
Jun 15, 2004, 9:39 PM
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http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=31693http://
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curious_georgette
Jul 5, 2004, 12:14 AM
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Name: The Wall
Location: Side yard
Length/Width/Height: 30' tall, 8' wide
Total Climbing Area: About 256
# of T-Nuts: Around 1000
# of Climbing Holds: Not all on yet, we have about 300 total
Types of Holds: Oddity, Metolius, Nicros, Nice, Franklin, other odds and ends
Favorite Holds: Metolius
Building Materials Used: Wood: 2x4's, 2x6's, 3/4" plywood(all treated), Steel: various sizes, galvanized cable
Construction Methods: Fabricated steel hinges for the top 10', fabricated steel brace to hold the wall upright, 1/4" galvanized steel cable for extra support
Approximate Cost to Build: About $1000, including holds(yes, Ebay is great)
Future Expansions: Still putting on holds at this point, no future thoughts yet
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda':
Shoulda had more people to help!!!!! 2 of us did it ALL.
Woulda asked someone else to drill and hammer all the t-nuts.
Coulda used more rope and yard during the wall raising.
Coulda used a babysitter too!
We did this all this past week. Bought all the materials Monday, started construction Tuesday, had the wall up by Saturday(minus the holds). Built it on the ground, attaching the hinges was a pain(really coulda used someone bigger to help). Used block and tackle to raise the wall, using a 4 wheel drive truck and a tractor. When I said we did it all ourselves, I meant everything, even the hinges(couldn't find anything like that on Ebay). My husband made those himself, same with the anchor to the center tree.
You can't really see it from the picture, but it is anchored to a few trees in 2 different ways. Steel pole with an adjustable slip joint and cabling anchored to 1 tree, and then more cables going to 2 different trees.
http://home.comcast.net/...yandmoe/Dscf0050.jpg
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labster
Jul 11, 2004, 4:49 AM
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Name: Agnus (don't know where the name came from but that's it's name)
Location: In my backyard
Length/Width/Height: 16ft tall and 8 feet wide for the time being
Total Climbing Area: 128 sq feet
# of T-Nuts: about 400 without the top piece being completed
# of Climbing Holds: 120
Types of Holds: Metolius, Franklin, Atomic Holds, Nicros
Favorite Holds: I like em all.
Building Materials Used: Everything was treated lumber. Main two beams were treated 4x6x12's, 2x4x10's, 4x4x12's, 4x4x10's and also 3/4in 4x8 sheets of plywood, 16 bags of Quickcrete
Approximate Cost to Build: ~700 with holds
Future Expansions: Might be adding at least one side onto the right side to enclose it a bit and give another climbing angle.
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': I wish it wouldn't have taken so long to complete, 22 days (only worked on it 1-2 days a week though and for only 2-3 hrs.)
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=35859
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=35860
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=35862
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tattooed_climber
Jul 17, 2004, 5:10 AM
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Name: Phil (tattooed_climber, tadie, @sshole)
Location: my wall is located under my patio
Length/Width/Height: 4 sheets of ply wood have gone into my wall so far and as well as some scraps i had laying around (so 8x16, ..SO over 124 square feet of wall)
Total Climbing Area: over 124 square feet
# of T-Nuts: 270+
# of Climbing Holds: 71 holds (plus hangboard, 13 screw on foot holds, 22 screw-on foot holds, 8 home made wooden campus rails, 10 home made resin holds, wooden rails and features)
Types of Holds: Metolious, Teknik, Sequence, Globe, Nice, Pusher, PSH (my homemade holds), Franklin, Friction
Favorite Holds: My Metolious Feature(#D) and Colonette (#C) as well as the hold my friend Paul designed for Globe and was able to hook me up with two of the Series, i don't know there names (cus its in french) as well as they officially come out next year (2005)(shown in my last two pics posted in here, they are the solid RED and TAN holds.
Building Materials Used: 3/4" exterior plywood, salvaged 2x4s
Construction Methods: the "screw 2x4s to house, and screw plywood to 2x4s" method (actually, to use more for less, i cut all the 2x4s into 2x2s for the framings, and the roof was screwed directly into the joyce of my patio...very each to construct)
Approximate Cost to Build: the onlything i bought were the screws and the t-nuts...my father is a contractor and he got me the surplus plywood off a job and all the 2x4s we had laying around in a shed...the paint he got as surplus off a painter/friend, sand came from the river beside my house...holds were bought, and i have no idea how much i've spent on them...
Future Expansions: only 1/3 of under my patio has been taken up by my wall :P !!!! so i'm wanting to throw up 2 more sheets of ply wood on the ceiling but theres no point in that until i get more roof jugs which I REALLY NEED!!!..
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': nothing really, i don't believe in regrets but it would have been nice to put 6 sheets up in the beginning to force me to buy more holds instead of finishing my rack off :lol: :lol:
Oh, and.....:
throwing up some bolts and aiding the roof of a wall is an aesome way to kill a boring day....
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=30936
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=30950
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=30951
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=35491
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=35490
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okie_redneck
Oct 6, 2004, 2:57 AM
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This thread needs CPR.
BUMP!
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valeberga
Oct 6, 2004, 3:16 AM
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Not in it's final form, but here's the start:
http://students.washington.edu/...images/moreholds.jpg
10' high (pad is 2.5 feet thick), mostly homemade resin holds. Angles are 26 deg (8'), 45-50 deg (4'), horizontal (4'). Of course I plan to add more panels.
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saskrock
Oct 13, 2004, 4:21 PM
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Name: Ethan & Pat "The Wall"
Location: Pilot Butte, Sask, Canada
Length/Width/Height: 18' X 8' vertical, 14' X 9' 40 degree
Total Climbing Area: 270' sq
# of T-Nuts: 2100
# of Climbing Holds: 236
Types of Holds: Xcliver, old nicros (2-4), cheapholds.com, teknik
Favorite Holds: TEKNIK Any of thier INDY's
Building Materials Used: 3/4" G1S, 2X6, 2X4, 2.5 and 3" decking screws.
Construction Methods: Email me for any info you want.
Approximate Cost to Build: Cost for building before holds is about $1100
Cost after holds is around $2600
Future Expansions: Next the roof is going on will add about 128' sq after that another wall maybe in the future....who knows.
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': Wishlist eh.......1 of every set Teknik makes(halfway there) and ummm everything else is pretty much perfect now.
Oh, and.....: Just a thanks to TEKNIK for Hooking us up and helping us in the prairies out.... thanks again.
http://www.yafro.com/...&photopicfroserver=2
http://1800climb.yafro.com/photo/1399048
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vtemple
Oct 13, 2004, 7:44 PM
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Name: "The Cameleon" ( I keep changing it )
Location: Garage
Length/Width/Height: 8' wide, 10' high (Currently)
Total Climbing Area: 80 square'
# of T-Nuts: I have now idea. Got 500 from ebay good price (atomic)
# of Climbing Holds: ~170
Types of Holds: www.atomikclimbingholds.com (These guys are the best) / morganic / synrock
Favorite Holds: Atomik
Building Materials Used: 3/4" ply. (25 beans at HD) 2x4 and 2x6s
Approximate Cost to Build: $700 with the holds
Future Expansions: Basically ripped down the roof and left wall and turning into the metolius "How to build a rockclimbing wall" with a 40 degree section and the current 20 degree section. I'll post after im done gonna try to finish this weekend.
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': Building a wall is really fun. I don't regret my original cave plan. However I think you need a bigger space for a cave and one angle is definitely a better use of space.
Phase 1
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=31307
Phase 1 Complete
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=31312
Phase 2 Started:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=37791
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hippie_dreams
Jun 13, 2005, 3:34 PM
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Name: Portable, Adjustable Wall
Location: In the backyards and garages of Northwest Ohio
Length/Width/Height: 10'L x 8'W x 4' to 12' H (adjustable angles)
Total Climbing Area: 96 sq. ft.
# of T-Nuts: ~500
# of Climbing Holds: 75?
Types of Holds: So Ill (slopers, ledges, pinches), Metolius starter pack, groperz (pcokets, crimps, edges)
Favorite Holds: So Ill
Building Materials Used: Plywood, 2"x4"s, 2"x6"s, deck screws, carriage bolts, heavy duty hinges
Construction Methods: see pictures
Approximate Cost to Build: ~$250 w/o holds
Future Expansions: bolt on features (like pyramids) for interest
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda':I'm going to add a diagonal cross-brace to the bottom 4'x8' section for extra rigidity - it's super strong right now and doesn't move a whole lot, but just for an added safety factor. Oh, and don't have home depot cut your pieces for you - they were off by close to 3/4" (thankfully too long so I could fix the problem.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=55851
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=55853
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http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=43041
Good description of the above photo here: http://www.rockclimbing.com/...n=Show&PhotoID=43041
Some of these photos may not appear right away as they need to be approved (6/13/05).
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boulderer420
Jun 14, 2005, 2:59 PM
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I've got a question for ya hippie, I'm a little bit confused as to how the wall is adjustable. I see that you could change the angles becuase the two by six's are held by one bolt from what it looks like, but how do you get the board to stay at the angle you want? Your design is awesome I really like it and would like to duplicate it but I don't quite see how it all works. If you could explain how the angels are set and just what the thing is held together by for me, or even throw a few more pics that would be great. Thanks.
Also, do you see any way for the wall to grow any from its current state? I saw that you said that you were planning on doin some pyramids, what do you mean by that?
THanks again,
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hippie_dreams
Jun 15, 2005, 1:14 AM
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In reply to: I've got a question for ya hippie, I'm a little bit confused as to how the wall is adjustable. I see that you could change the angles becuase the two by six's are held by one bolt from what it looks like, but how do you get the board to stay at the angle you want? Your design is awesome I really like it and would like to duplicate it but I don't quite see how it all works. If you could explain how the angels are set and just what the thing is held together by for me, or even throw a few more pics that would be great. Thanks. Also, do you see any way for the wall to grow any from its current state? I saw that you said that you were planning on doin some pyramids, what do you mean by that?
The two top 4' x 8' sections are adjustable - there is (now, not in the pics) a series of holes drilled in the supporting 2" x 6" 's. These sections are also hinged with heavy duty hinges allowing them to rotate. So, by changing which series of holes you use in the supports, the angle of the section changes. You could have an 8' roof if you wanted by putting the two sections parallel with the ground. Roofs like that aren't as much fun as it sounds though.
If you decide to build something like this, make sure you use heavy duty hinges (oversized too) and have someone help you - those framed out 4' x 8' sections are heavy as hell.
As far as expansion - I really didn't design the wall to expand anymore than what it's at now. I've though about adding some screw-on holds to the supporting 2" x 6" 's for feet, but I'm not sure that it would add much. The big thing with this wall is if I want to move it, it's easy to tear down and throw in a pick-up to take to the next place... or just move it around the yard, store it in the winter, etc...
With respect to the pyraminds - I'm thinking of fabricating a few bolt on features that could be screwed into the existing t-nuts on the wall. These features would have t-nuts in them as well allowing me to attach holds to them. This is really beneficial if you have a steep section and want to put a really crappy hold there - with a pyramid you could have less of an angle for the hold. Plus, they can be moved all around the wall which adds more interest.
I think it'll be a little while before I make these features, but when I do I'll post pics.
Hope that helped.
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hippie_dreams
Jun 15, 2005, 1:19 AM
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In reply to: wow.. been a long time for this thread... and just as long for me to finish the wall and the house.. but its finally getting there... a recent pic
By the way Chizelz, I haven't yet gotten a chance to give you mad kudos on the finished product. That looks awesome and is really giving me some inspiration for my new house -- Closing on my first house in August.
Take care,
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boulderer420
Jun 15, 2005, 2:24 PM
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Thanks hippie that helps. Thanks again for the extra info.
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chossmonkey
Nov 26, 2005, 2:56 AM
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Name: Nathan and Rebecca
Location: Spare Bedroom
Length/Width/Height: It's about 11 feet wide 12 feet long (up) and 7 1/2 feet high (ceiling). The main wall angle is about 60 degrees, with angles from vertical to horizontal on the features.
Total Climbing Area: Around 150 sq. ft. with the features.
# of T-Nuts: Approx. 500
# of Climbing Holds: So far we have 111 holds plus about 25 jibs put up. We still probably have another 100 or so to put up.
Types of Holds:We have every thing from super jugs to tiny crimps, mono to four finger pockets, as well as pinches and slopers. Most are commercially made holds, but we do have a fair number of wood and a few rock holds.
Favorite Holds: I really like most of our Franklin Holds, but we do have some good Nicros and Metolius holds as well.
Building Materials Used: 3/4" plywood over a 2x6 frame.
Construction Methods: The wall is completely free standing. The 2x6 joists that hold up the plywood hang off a double 2x8 beam, which is held up on each end with 2x6 posts. It's basically one steep, flat wall with separately built features attached onto the main plywood plane. This eases construction greatly and the roofs can be moved.
Approximate Cost to Build: For this wall we spent about $100, but that was with recycling my old wall. I would guess to build new would be around $500- $600 for the main part of the wall, for the wood, T-nuts, and other hardware. The roof features where all built with scrap wood I had left over from other projects.
Future Expansions: There's not much space left in the room. But we have been talking about plywooding one side so there is a little bit of easier terrain.
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': Get a place with higher ceilings. It's also on the second floor, I'm waiting for the drywall downstairs to come crashing down when we fall. :lol:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=65280
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=66606
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chossmonkey
Dec 4, 2005, 6:39 PM
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I am transplanting some posts into this thread. :twisted:
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chossmonkey
Dec 4, 2005, 6:44 PM
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Transplant. :tinfoilhat:
Apparently this transplant didn't take. Damn people taking down their pictures. :evil:
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chossmonkey
Dec 4, 2005, 6:48 PM
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Transplant. :tinfoilhat:
In reply to: http://karnsquality.com/...m/amandawall1web.jpg The wall is half built. We'll be blending these two walls together and adding another full section about half as big out of sight. This is in an old warehouse behind our house in the city of Harrisburg, PA. |
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jgross
Dec 4, 2005, 7:33 PM
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Name: John Gross
Location: Back outside corner of my house
Length/Width/Height: 8' high, 15 ' in perimeter
Total Climbing Area: 120 square feet
# of T-Nuts: about 400
# of Climbing Holds: about 125 (but always buying more!)
Types of Holds: Metolius, Cheap Holds, Oddity, Teknik, ...
Favorite Holds: Oddity skull, Cheap Holds hula hoop
Building Materials Used: exterior plywood on 2x4, 2x6, 2x8 & 4x4 girts
Construction Methods:
40 steel anchors (mostly 3/8" x 6" long, some 3/4" x 8" long!) in holes drilled into foundation/masonry with a hammer drill. Each vertical girt is secured by 4 anchors. The plywood panels are then screwed onto the girts. The T-nuts are hammered in at roughly 6" spacing, but deliberately not exactly in a grid.
Approximate Cost to Build: close to $CDN 2000 including holds, the structural engineer I consulted, and the contractor I hired to drill the holes for the anchors (both of whom were good investments)
Future Expansions: no plans...
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': I did not know about screwing in T-nuts; handful of mine have fallen out, some of them on panels that are not removable!
Oh, and.....: The back side of the wall overlooks my street hockey court; I laid down some rubber matting that fits into that. The fall zone on the side part is 2 tons of sand.
I mixed some sand (I had plenty at hand!) into regular exterior paint, and got an OK texture.
I was worried that with all the panels being mounted vertically the wall might get boring quickly. No such problem, the back corner, and the corners around the chimney keep it very interesting.
Here is a photo of the wall:
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shurafa
Oct 11, 2007, 1:16 AM
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Name: Alan Shurafa
Location:My Living Room Astoria NYC
Length/Width/Height: Its an odd shape with two main section. One part is H8'xW9'XL10' and the other is H8'XW12'XL4'
Total Climbing Area: About 1000 Cubic Feet
# of T-Nuts: Around 3000
# of Climbing Holds: Approximately 1200 with several boxes of spare holds.
Types of Holds: Metolius, Nicros, e-grips, Franklin, Vodoo, Three Ball Climbing
Favorite Holds: Nicro's
Building Materials Used: Wood and Plywood
Construction Methods: For the second wall I decided to make a frame that mirrors the frame of the house. It is much sturdier and easier to work with. I also make a cat walk to fix spinners.
Approximate Cost to Build: First part of wall including tools about 1500. Second part just wood 400. Holds over $5000 and always buying more.
Future Expansions: I am thinking about building one in the attic. The ceiling is really low but there are some amazing angles that could be really really fun. (This post actually inspired me to go up there and take a look at it today!!!)
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': Not framing the first part of the wall better. Not nearly enough holds at the start.Smaller more manageable roof sections to make removing spinners easier.
Oh, and.....: Here are some photos of wall. http://www.flickr.com/...s/72157602361776443/
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mnanao
Nov 6, 2007, 5:50 AM
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Name: max n
Location: east oakland
Length/Width/Height: 12' at base, 12' tall vertical, 50 degree and 20 degree overhangs
Total Climbing Area: ~190 ft^2
# of T-Nuts: I aimed for a density of ~75 per 4x8 sheet
# of Climbing Holds: not enough
Types of Holds:so ill, revolution, voodoo, stoneage, metolius, nicros
Favorite Holds: so ill, revolution, voodoo, stoneage
Building Materials Used: Wood
Construction Methods: The loft we rent has huge beams (9x13") which made things easier
Approximate Cost to Build: I dont want to think about it
Future Expansions: NONE
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': shoulda found a cheap and good source of T-nuts way earlier. Also shoulda used Google Sketchup earlier in the process (I used it for the rightmost panel to aid in figuring out how to cut that plywood sheet down, and for the angles of the supports).
 
 
for scale: washing machine at left, old metolius pad on left, cordless deluxe in middle.
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northfacejmb
Nov 7, 2007, 5:54 AM
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Name: the Bunker
Location: Garage
Length/Width/Height: 11ft at its highest, 12ft wide,
Total Climbing Area: about 224 ft^2
# of T-Nuts: 600-1500
# of Climbing Holds: 170+
Types of Holds: California, revolution, synrock, nicros, metolius, and my own
Favorite Holds: synrock, metolius and nycros
Building Materials Used: 4x4s, 2x4s and 3/4 ply
Approximate Cost to Build: don't even know where to begin
Future Expansions: I'll add some more roof, and whatever else I feel like
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': Nope, I pretty much built it perfect, though it would be nice to have a 30 degree wall
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rhonius
Nov 15, 2007, 4:53 PM
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Name: The Berlin Wall (my last name is Berlin)
Location: Garage
Length/Width/Height: 8 x 11.5 x 10
Total Climbing Area: 270 sq ft
# of T-Nuts: 1200 - 1500
# of Climbing Holds: ~ 200 just started collecting them
Types of Holds: Woodies, 3-Ball, Metilous, Nicros
Favorite Holds: Nicros Alien Head
Building Materials Used: wood, plywood
Construction Methods: Freestanding with front removable panels
Approximate Cost to Build: ~400 without holds and T-nuts
Future Expansions: I think im good for a bit
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': Shoulda remembered to add the thickness of the plywood to my measurements. Not a big deal but made assembly more difficult.
The coolest thing about my wall is that it is freestanding and the panels are removable from the front. I was forced to to this since a don't have access to the back of the wall and since im renting I might be moving in the near future and wanted to make sure I could get the wall out. In order to do this I framed each panel separately and the bolted the panel to the freestanding frame using long bolts and the plethora of T-nuts I had. Then I drilled a hole in the plywood so that I could access the bolt. The only problem is that to be truly modular the features that I built could only be on a single panel.
http://picasaweb.google.com/...bingWallConstruction
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xxkilo
Jan 22, 2008, 2:45 PM
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Name: The wall (very original)
Location: My garage, Sicily, Italy
Length/Width/Height: The height is 3.8m. the back side is 2m wide. The vertical face is 3.3m wide. The overhang is 1.5m wide.
Total Climbing Area: about 32m sq.
# of T-Nuts: about 1000
# of Climbing Holds: so far only about 120, looking to get more. Anyone have beta on Italian manufacturers?  . Shipping from the US is just not feasable. I might be going back to Canada for the summer so I might see how many holds I can cram into my suitcase.
Types of Holds: Sintroc and some woodies that I made from a dead cherry tree. Like I said, hoping to get lots more. Anyone know Armaduk brand holds. It's a supplier that is in Italy.
Favorite Holds: Can't say yet. Sintroc holds are pretty generic and all have a positive part on them.
Building Materials Used: garage walls: stone and cement (a nightmare to anchor to.. why cant they use wood like north america  ) Frame: 5cm steel beams. Surface: they call it multi-strata which is pretty much plywood 18mm (3/4 inch). I find it a bit soft though. If I tighten the holds too tight, the tnuts start to pull though the plywood.
Construction Methods: The wall was designed to be self supporting so that it did not have to be anchored into the garage wall or put any load onto the ceiling. The frame is designed like an irregular dome/cube made of 5cm square steel bars(hollow). Intermmediate bars are at irregular intervals (some 1m apart, others 87cm, etc) I wasn't too specific when I showed th weilder the design who had no idea what a climbing wall was. Holes were drilled into the steel and the plywood was bolted on (8mm bolts)where possible due to the irregular sizes of plywood sheets here and my irregular frame pattern. I had to attach some edges together with spare boards because there was no steel in some parts to bolt the edge of the plywood to. I left 50cm from the actual garage wall so that I could walk behind and work. This proved to be a good idea as I put in the t-nuts after the plywood was attached.
Approximate Cost to Build: steel frame: €800. plywood: 7sheets of 252cm x 187cm: €530. t-nuts: 3000pz: €150. Holds: €530. Other misc nuts, bolts, screws, etc.: €100. Grand total: way too much (around €2000+)
Future Expansions: yes. definately. Probably a wide, slightly overhanging section. The 45 degree section is only 1.5m wide so it doesn't provide a lot of room for lateral moves, pretty much just straight up.
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': Many!
First, I blame unconventional building methods here (in terms of north american standards). Learning to work with steel and stone and attaching wood to it was my greatest headache.
I should have taken into account the size of plywood sheets and adjusted the mesures of the frame accordingly.
I shoulda made the overhanging section wider instead of just 1.5m.
If I could have I would have built the frame in wood and not steel.
Oh, and.....: try to build everything yourself or with a friend if possible. Hired wielders, masons, etc. will take any chance to rape your wallet.
check out the pictures:
http://www.kodakgallery.com/...are&conn_speed=1
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neslo2003
Feb 4, 2008, 7:31 PM
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Name: Skyler Olsen
Location: basement/my brothers room
Length/Width/Height:~15'/9'/8.75'
Total Climbing Area: ~200sq.ft
# of T-Nuts: ~400
# of Climbing Holds: ~350
Types of Holds: Project Holds, Voodoo
Favorite Holds:Project Holds
Building Materials Used: 3/4" plywood, 2x4's
Construction Methods: entire design was done with Rhinoceros modeling software then built using specs
Approximate Cost to Build: $1000 w/o holds/$2000 w/ holds
Future Expansions: adding another 500 sq.ft. in a couple weeks
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': the construction went pretty smooth due to the time spent on the modeling.
Here is the entire build
http://www.picasaweb.google.com/neslorelyks
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betaben
Feb 13, 2008, 7:31 PM
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Name: The Arch of Doom (okay we don't really call it that, but so many others had great names)
Location: Apartment living room
Length/Width/Height:~12'-6"/4'-0"/8'-6"
Total Climbing Area: ~90.33sq.ft
# of T-Nuts: ~380
# of Climbing Holds: ~170 (just built it, need to get more)
Types of Holds: Metoulius, homemade
Favorite Holds:Metoulius/nicros/petrogrips
Building Materials Used: 3/4" plywood, 2x6's
Construction Methods: Standard 2x6 framing, built into panels. Panels joined by 1/4" custom cut steel gusset plates for easy takedown. since it is in an Apartment it is free standing and has to be easily moved.
Future Expansions: none
Cost: not including holds, roughly $275.00
Shoulda'/Woulda'/Coulda': This is the 3Rd home wall I have built and I also helped build 1 commercial wall, so there were no hiccups on this little one. I would like to add a crack system up one side and down the other, but haven't been able to get to that yet
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