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Jun 28, 2004, 9:01 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: now I just got to figure out how he can feed Justice!!! :D :D :D Breast pump. :D Yeah, kinda like when adult birds feed baby birds... Adam could...uh, nevermind ~T would gladly feed Justice [subliminal]come to oregon...come to oregon...come to oregon[/subliminal]
now, that's funny !!!
DEFINITLY!!
COME TO OREGON!!!!!!!
yeah baaaaaaby!!
sorry about the injury. :(
so sucks....just no word to make it any better.
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hugs to you all.
~T
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nikegirl
Jun 28, 2004, 9:04 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: now I just got to figure out how he can feed Justice!!! :D :D :D Breast pump. :D Yeah, kinda like when adult birds feed baby birds... Adam could...uh, nevermind ~T would gladly feed Justice [subliminal]come to oregon...come to oregon...come to oregon[/subliminal]
now, that's funny !!!
DEFINITLY!!
COME TO OREGON!!!!!!!
yeah baaaaaaby!!
sorry about the injury. :(
so sucks....just no word to make it any better.
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hugs to you all.
~T
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rrrADAM
Jun 29, 2004, 5:45 PM
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^^^ Must be the drugs I'm on, as I'm seeing triple. ^^^
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Jun 29, 2004, 11:37 PM
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Those triple posts have happened to me to over the last few days, that and posts being set out of order. Anyway I deleted the two extras so all is well now.
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rrrADAM
Jul 9, 2004, 6:03 PM
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Results of the MRI (not that I understand it):In reply to: There is a focal hypertrophy and abnormal signal in the tibialis posterior tendon at the level of the mortise joint, consistent with a type 1 partial tear. The other extensor and flexor tendons of the ankle are intact. There is a discontinuity of the anterior talafibular and deltoid ligaments with edema in their expected locations. A round increased T2-weighted signal is identified in the inferomedial superior talar neck and anterolateral portion of the talar dome as well as in the juxtaarticular aspect of the calcaneus and posterior aspect of its articular surface of the subtalar joint as well as in the calcaneal neck. The Achilles tendon and plantar aponeurosis are intact. Small anterior and posterior joint effusions of the tbiotalar joint and small posterior subtalar joint effusion. Increased T2-weighted signal is seen in the sinus tarsi but the fibers within are well defined on T1-weighted images suggesting that this is within normal limits. No evidence of linear fracture.
So the doc said that I tore the hell out of the ligaments on both sides of my ankle, and tore a tendon on the inside. He said he could operate and reattach the stuff, but he suggests not cutting if its not immediately necessary. He suggested recasting it for another 3 weeks, then some PT, and I should be 80% stable by mid August (when I gotta go back to work). More PT should strengthen it more. If not, he can always operate later.
My worry... I am already bow legged and pidgeon toed, so I am very prone to rolling my ankles as it is, so with less stability on the sideways motions of my ankle, a simple roll could put me out for a while. Also worried about the stresses on the ankle when I'm crack climbing, as those nise secure feet require me to torque my ankle.
Now if I can just do as I'm told, and not re-injur it, but I'm a bit of a knucklehead... Tried wrapping it in a heavy duty trash bag with duct tape (even shaved between the knee and cast to get a good seal) to go swimming at a party, but it didn't work, it got soaked, that cast was replaced... At the climbing gym, I can still climb many .10s, and even lead the roof, all with one leg, so I am working my upper body, but it's kinda hard to "pogo" some of the routes where a right foot is needed. Can put pressure on the toes straight down, so I tried using it once last Tuesday, but it was out to the side a bit, and I felt the sharp pain of the deltoid saying "NO !!!". :?
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flashsixteen
Jul 9, 2004, 6:35 PM
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See it was all good until they said this ...
In reply to: A round increased T2-weighted signal is identified in the inferomedial superior talar neck and anterolateral portion of the talar dome as well as in the juxtaarticular aspect of the calcaneus and posterior aspect of its articular surface of the subtalar joint as well as in the calcaneal neck
Now they are just trying to sound smart. I would expect to see this guy at the crag sport climbing with his shirt off, cut off shorts, talking to the girls with a beer in his hand, giving beta on the 5.12b, but climbing the 5.8 because (whisper) "my partner isn't very good."
With that said, I partially tore my MCL. You want to skip the recovery and PT because you seem to be okay, but now I can't sit Indian style with my tore leg on the inside. Take it easy, you have a lot of time to still climb, make sure you go back fully recovered. I am not a doctor, nor familiar with your injury, but I would go with the surgery to make sure everything is all good. Good luck on your recovery.
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billcoe_
Jul 9, 2004, 7:52 PM
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In reply to: Also worried about the stresses on the ankle when I'm crack climbing, as those nise secure feet require me to torque my ankle. Now if I can just do as I'm told, and not re-injur it, but I'm a bit of a knucklehead... Tried wrapping it in a heavy duty trash bag with duct tape (even shaved between the knee and cast to get a good seal) to go swimming at a party, but it didn't work, it got soaked, that cast was replaced... At the climbing gym, I can still climb many .10s, and even lead the roof, all with one leg, so I am working my upper body, but it's kinda hard to "pogo" some of the routes where a right foot is needed. Can put pressure on the toes straight down, so I tried using it once last Tuesday, but it was out to the side a bit, and I felt the sharp pain of the deltoid saying "NO !!!". :?
So Adam ....what are we talking about here exactly? Well, let me paraphrase for ya. I (Bill) am not outclimbing you on the steeps and roofs yet, however, it's a close horserace on cracks and I may now be able to outclimb you on some specific routes.
For a time anyway................
Seriously, last year I pulled a rock and it broke my foot. I would rather (and I told folks this at the time) BREAK my foot every year than rip the shit out of the ligaments, soft tissue and tendons. Which is what it sounds like you did Adam. The soft tissue takes longer to heal, and the pain is usually greater and lasts longer (IMO). You sound like you might need to drop down a gear so as not to tweak it more. Of course that's entirely your call. I empathise with your desire to stay in condition the best you can.
Bottom line, you have my sympathy. Like everyone, wish you well on the recovery. Sounds like you have plenty of good medical advise already.
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jakedatc
Jul 9, 2004, 11:32 PM
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Yea... did some crazy tearing on both sides.. that i get... all that T2 blah blah crap i have never heard of before so it's your guess to what that all means
do what they say.. try not to screw with it until you're done with PT in aug and see how it goes.. if you're still climbing 10's with one foot then hey go for it.. just dont cheat and use the other foot no matter what.. take the fall/hang and save yourself the pain.. sounds like you got a doc that knows his stuff.. some would just be like it's all screwed up lets get cutting
i'm sure ya looked good with the shaved legs tho ;) they sell cast cover things to make that process alot easier than you made it but then again ur a traddie you like to be creative and if duct tape is involved the more the better
good luck
jake
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jello
Jul 10, 2004, 12:59 AM
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rrradam your a stud. I can't believe it happened at pirates cove of all places. Feel better brotha!
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jiadar
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Hey Adam
Sorry to hear about what happened. Exactly the same thing happened to me, April 12 this year.. bouldering a easy problem with my feet 4" off the ground. After a long day I was getting pumped as my friend gave me beta. I said I'm jumping off... onto a big misty crash pad, which was just so sloped that I rolled my ankle... doing exactly what you did. Pulled off 2 ligaments and with one came a piece of bone. 3rd time I've done this on my right ankle and have 2 bone fragments floating around.
This was a Very Good thing though. Because it gave me time to decide what I wanted to do with my life. I decided to get out of New Orleans, 8 hours away from the nearest crag, and move to San Francisco. I devoted the next 2 months to that, and in June, as soon as I could walk without crutches, I moved.
Now I'm still in Rehab, but I'm in San Francisco! Been to the valley, Toulumne, and many crags in the Bay Area. Even if I can only climb easy TR until my ankle gets better, I'm looking forward to the good stuff that lies ahead.
So do something positive while you're in rehab, good luck to you and you'l be back to it soon enough.
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Hi Adam, good luck with your recovery. Do as much as you can not to re-injure or tweak anything. Better to keep the recovery as short as possible for a silly mistake in the meantime. All the best.
I tore the crap out of my right outside 'whatever' ligament on the right foot in June 2002, playing beach volleyball!!! I touched rock again in early september and by late September I was climbing fairly strong again. I avoided cracks for a while after that though.
Take care
....Dave
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In reply to: Back from the Ortho... Have cast, b ut he's concerned since the swelling is so severe, and doesn't seem to match the injury... I'm gonna have to get an MRI so he can see the exctent of the damage... He says I may have torn up much more than just one ligamant... Will know more after then, but they said 24-48 hours before I get the MRI... He also said the bone chips are where the ligamant tore away, as some of the ligamamnt tears, and some of the bone is actually ripped off where it was attached. I'm just mad at myself... If I'd just have looked before I lept, I'd be in Yosemite right now, instead of being an invalid for a while. :( Thanx for all the well wishes everyone... Anyone need a belay b!tch ??? :wink:
Sounds like the injury I got when I fell and my foot didn't come out of the crack until I inverted. Ligament tore away taking the bone with it, plus deep tendon injury. You might remember the nasty pic posted in community. I cannot emphasize enough to do the rehab exercises and not climb on the thing until you have regained stabilty. When you get to where you can put weight on it again, you will find that you can balance maybe two seconds standing on that foot, the exercises will help regain stability. I didn't pay attention to my own advice and still have limited range of motion and the ankle is permanently huge.
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