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jimdavis
Oct 23, 2006, 9:08 PM
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In reply to: this thread is ending as far as my posts unless we get someone who has some degree of authority to comment.
So you mock textbooks and the AMGA, yet want someone with a "degree of authority" to comment?
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jonescd
Oct 23, 2006, 9:11 PM
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You're right, let's phrase that Degree of Experience to comment. Authority becomes too much like AMGA. You must have got me into a mode of thinking that I need to avoid. Thanks for pulling me out of it.
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jonescd
Oct 23, 2006, 9:21 PM
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If someone can find the results of this study we can end the heat dissipation argument:
http://web.mit.edu/2.tha/www/heatdone.pdf
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jonescd
Oct 23, 2006, 9:38 PM
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Yeah,
Alright Jim Davis. Got your PM. Go ahead and post at will. As long as you are in good company, I believe you'll grow into the expert you want to be. Just don't get overanxious.
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majid_sabet
Oct 23, 2006, 9:46 PM
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Jimmy
You are stressing over this ATC issue and going after my old posting which has nothing to do with this current AMGA certified discussion.
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jimdavis
Oct 23, 2006, 10:01 PM
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In reply to: Jimmy You are stressing over this ATC issue and going after my old posting which has nothing to do with this current AMGA certified discussion.
....and your current comments have what to do with this discussion? Still waiting for your explanation, Majid.
Or do you still not have one?
Jim
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norushnomore
Oct 24, 2006, 9:29 AM
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jonescd, your argument (one rope locked while other slipping) while valid does not apply to this accident.
For you to be accurate she would have to have only one rope threaded thru the belay device or ropes still threaded thru the anchor. Neither is true.
No need to speculate further
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jonescd
Oct 26, 2006, 6:24 AM
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Yes, I acknowledged your argument already in a previous post but somehow the thread turned into analyzing the differences between ATCs and Eight-rings. We concluded that they both have their strengths and weaknesses for different applications and we weren't speculating about the Table Rock accident at that point just debating the differences in devices. I personally use three different rappel devices for three different rope situations (depending on the diameter or weather conditions I will choose accordingly). And yes I am guilty of using the ATC to rappel when I must shave weight on the rack for a redpoint.
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