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knoxes
Nov 20, 2007, 2:41 PM
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Do you have one? If so, what do you use it for?
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pornstarr
Nov 20, 2007, 2:49 PM
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knoxes wrote: Do you have one? If so, what do you use it for?
yes, several.
use a PAS, if at all, these days....mostly tie in with the rope. good for sport stuff though. or maybe just a sling or two...
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vegastradguy
Nov 20, 2007, 3:09 PM
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knoxes wrote: Do you have one? If so, what do you use it for?
yes. aid.
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knoxes
Nov 20, 2007, 3:14 PM
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Is there any reason for a beginner to have one?
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microbarn
Nov 20, 2007, 3:15 PM
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I have one, and I use it to take up space. I wish I would not have bought it.
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guccipiggy
Nov 20, 2007, 3:16 PM
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knoxes wrote: Is there any reason for a beginner to have one?
No.
You most likely won't find any climbing use for it.
(This post was edited by guccipiggy on Nov 20, 2007, 3:18 PM)
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microbarn
Nov 20, 2007, 3:16 PM
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knoxes wrote: Is there any reason for a beginner to have one?
none, that was my mistake.
There are better options for anything a beginner is going to do with it.
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vegastradguy
Nov 20, 2007, 4:05 PM
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knoxes wrote: Is there any reason for a beginner to have one?
no. learn to secure yourself safely with the rope.
if you insist on using a tether, the Sterling Chain Reactor is the safest one available.
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knoxes
Nov 20, 2007, 4:34 PM
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this post adds to the confusion.
What function does the daisy chain serve to secure that could replace the rope?
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ja1484
Nov 20, 2007, 5:02 PM
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No, typically use a purcell prusik instead.
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westbend
Nov 20, 2007, 5:03 PM
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yes. We use it to adjust down anchor length when my, much lighter, son belays me
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Jbitz
Nov 20, 2007, 6:09 PM
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A sewn daisy chain is designed for body weight only (aid climbing). Shockloading could cause the the stitches to rip. I don't recommend it for use in any anchor system. Also, it is not the best choice for a PAS in my opinion.
Here is a demonstration from BD on why its possibly not the best choice.
http://www.bdel.com/videos/daisy.html
I prefer the Purcell Prussik myself or to I tie in with the climbing rope using a clove hitch.
You can also tie a series of overhands in a nylon sling to make your own daisy if you really need one.
(This post was edited by Jbitz on Nov 20, 2007, 6:30 PM)
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coastal_climber
Nov 20, 2007, 6:11 PM
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2, one between each set of aiders.
>Cam
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limberlinne
Nov 21, 2007, 7:44 AM
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wait, with the posts above, does a beginner need to have a daisy chain or not?
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ja1484
Nov 21, 2007, 10:40 AM
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Depends on what you're beginning at. Typically, no.
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elepita
Nov 21, 2007, 11:35 AM
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Does any of you use the Petzl quick fix? I heard it is a good substitute for the traditional daisy chain but I went into the P web site and read that it does not take falls....? Does anyone know anything about it?
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jt512
Nov 21, 2007, 3:37 PM
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guccipiggy wrote: knoxes wrote: Is there any reason for a beginner to have one? No. You most likely won't find any climbing use for it.
Actually, he probably will find a climbing use for it, and that is precisely why he shouldn't have one.
Jay
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coastal_climber
Nov 21, 2007, 6:18 PM
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elepita wrote: I went into the P web site and read that it does not take falls....? Does anyone know anything about it?
Neither will the bar-tacks on a daisy, over 3kn anyway.
>Cam
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flamer
Nov 21, 2007, 6:32 PM
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coastal_climber wrote: Neither will the bar-tacks on a daisy, over 3kn anyway.
It's not the Bar-tacks that are the problem. It's the stiching inbetween the pockets...which are NOT bar-tacks.
Usually in the event of a shockload on a NYLON(not spectre) daisy the individual stiching(on the pockets) will blow and the bar-tack while hold.
josh
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billcoe_
Nov 21, 2007, 7:59 PM
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I got by for @ 30 years free climbing without one. I have one now and bring it occasionally, and it's real nice for 2 things.
Moving around on a belay ledge and getting comfortable on a semi hanging belay.
Long routes, where there are many many belays, you can get a jump on breaking down your belay and still be safe once the lead climber calls "off Belay". Saves lost of time.
Increases the flusterfriggage though by adding one more thing to carry and-or potentially catch on flakes and nubbins as you climb.
Learn by tying in with the climbing rope is my opinion.
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billcoe_
Nov 21, 2007, 8:29 PM
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BTW, I do normally and usually carry a Trango superlight locker or usually 2 for the belays.
But don't get all locked into a ridged way of thinking about it. A well built belay doesn't necessarily need them.
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uhoh
Nov 22, 2007, 8:39 PM
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I use one mostly for carrying gear on approach and whatnot. However, now that my climbing is improving slightly I also use it to clip into anchors when necessary.
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knoxes
Nov 27, 2007, 6:27 PM
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vegastradguy wrote: knoxes wrote: Is there any reason for a beginner to have one? no. learn to secure yourself safely with the rope. if you insist on using a tether, the Sterling Chain Reactor is the safest one available.
I'm confused by a few posts in this thread.
Can you/someone explain under what circumstances someone would use a daisy chain where they would be tying off with the rope?
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elnero
Nov 27, 2007, 6:40 PM
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knoxes wrote: vegastradguy wrote: knoxes wrote: Is there any reason for a beginner to have one? no. learn to secure yourself safely with the rope. if you insist on using a tether, the Sterling Chain Reactor is the safest one available. I'm confused by a few posts in this thread. Can you/someone explain under what circumstances someone would use a daisy chain where they would be tying off with the rope?
a lot of people use a daisy to clip into an anchor, instead of clipping in with a clove hitch or a figure 8 on a bite. this is sketchy, because daisy chains aren't designed for that at all. there are a million posts and articles and videos and such, but the short version is, daisy chains aren't supposed to be loaded like that. use the rope, or a nylon sling.
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knoxes
Nov 27, 2007, 7:00 PM
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Ok, I see. That explains the purcel prusik comment as well. I guess I hadn't considered that someone would use it as a sling.
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