but then again not every pro climber tries so hard to be so cool like Joe Kinder. There's a fine line between self promotion and self absorption.

And to mock Sharma for his attitude – get a life man.

"This thread is retarded... HOLAAA SUCKASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!"

Guess what, so are you. Hola suckas? I guess you are into thin excuses for personality. Keep getting your witty dialogue from MTV 'yo', it makes you so much more persuasive.

God I hate that sound, the sound of young stupid people using pop culture slang to sound cool because they are to young and dumb to sound intelligent. Sad thing is it wouldn't have been a bad post if not for calling everyone who posted previously a retard and then using some really awfull wanna be mall gangsta crap at the end.

I suspect people are bugged by this guy Joe K. because he is trying to appeal to stupid 'wanna be ghetto cuzz its cool' teenagers (or even worse he is one). Just ignore the loser everyone grows up eventually (except 'gangstas!' they just whine like babes about how bad they used to be, I see them muttering in the gutter in the TL alll the time).

I don't know who Joe koolguy is but I dislike him just for the fact that someone used the slang 'holla suckas' in his defense. To me the glorification of the fucking murders and shit I get to see and/or hear about every day in this large city I live in is putting oneself on the side of the shitheads wreaking this world and the fucking hard work generations of men and women performed. So they can be 'gangsta'. Please go to hell and die quickly so we can start to fix things.

Edit: OK I looked at his site, he uses the words 'ballin in da mix' to describe a group of climbers gathering for a sponsor photo shoot, I hate him. Fucking idiots like this make me sick. White boy wanna be gangsta. 3 weeks ago a guy was shot and killed one block from my place for 20 bucks, just enough for a rock. I would suggest all you stupid ass white kids come to the inner city and hang out a bit so you can learn what that slang you so love to bug your parents with is really about. Fucking worthless fucks.

"This thread is retarded... HOLAAA SUCKASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!"

Guess what, so are you. Hola suckas? I guess you are into thin excuses for personality. Keep getting your witty dialogue from MTV 'yo', it makes you so much more persuasive.
God I hate that sound, the sound of young stupid people using pop culture slang to sound cool because they are to young and dumb to sound intelligent. Sad thing is it wouldn't have been a bad post if not for calling everyone who posted previously a retard and then using some really awfull wanna be mall gangsta crap at the end.

I suspect people are bugged by this guy Joe K. because he is trying to appeal to stupid 'wanna be ghetto cuzz its cool' teenagers (or even worse he is one). Just ignore the loser everyone grows up eventually (except 'gangstas!' they just whine like babes about how bad they used to be, I see them muttering in the gutter in the TL alll the time).

I don't know who Joe koolguy is but I dislike him just for the fact that someone used the slang 'holla suckas' in his defense. To me the glorification of the fucking murders and shit I get to see and/or hear about every day in this large city I live in is putting oneself on the side of the shitheads wreaking this world and the fucking hard work generations of men and women performed. So they can be 'gangsta'. Please go to hell and die quickly so we can start to fix things.

Edit: OK I looked at his site, he uses the words 'ballin in da mix' to describe a group of climbers gathering for a sponsor photo shoot, I hate him. Fucking idiots like this make me sick. White boy wanna be gangsta. 3 weeks ago a guy was shot and killed one block from my place for 20 bucks, just enough for a rock. I would suggest all you stupid ass white kids come to the inner city and hang out a bit so you can learn what that slang you so love to bug your parents with is really about. Fucking worthless fucks.

I guess your to stupid to realize when a person puts up a public web page they are asking for people to make an opinion of the aspects of their life which they choose to publicly display. If you ever get past the idol worshiping you might be able to see your heros as people. I suspect most of your heros are pretty shitty examples of people based upon your use of language. Oh yeah I know, "dont judge me by my language" LOL that is the standered way to judge someone, by what they say. Just as some have judged this Joe guy based upon what he put out on public display.

Get a fucking clue, a web page is to introduce yourself to the world and the content is to shape an image of oneself. If some dont like that image the person ether ignores gets over or changes the content. Asking people, no wait what you were doing is telling people, actually telling people 'you should not have an opinion of my friend joe based upon what he put online, for people to make opinions about'. You are a fucking retard.

Does anyone else feel like Joe Kinder is trying really, really, REALLY hard to be cool. And failing. I've never seen anyone who climbs 5.14 come across so freaking insecure. And holy crap, by the cover of Spray, I thought it was a new season of Dawson's Creek on DVD.

sadly, no, i was trying to prove that i don't like joe kinder, AND that i think the mags are still sexist in their catering to a perceived reader base. apparently i failed.

OK I looked at his site, he uses the words 'ballin in da mix' to describe a group of climbers gathering for a sponsor photo shoot, I hate him.

I only look at pics of Joe to see if they include Collette.

d.

Seriously...Can we dispense with the arguing and get this thing going in the direction we all know it's headed?

Pictures of Collette:

nawt that hawt.

where's she from, Nose City? Bignose.

It seems every Pro climber is creating a website...check out this interesting one...

http://www.joekindkid.com

This thread is pathetic! Joe is a super nice guy. I've know him for 6 or 7 years and I don't think I've ever heard him say an unkind word to anyone. He's just as psyched for someone who sending their first climb as he is for someone sending 5.15. His persona is not for everyone. Who gives a crap?! Get over it.

It's one thing to take him to task for making offensive remarks but engaging in full on character assassination is entirely another matter. I understand very well that his persona lends itself readily to ridicule. The critical remarks here, however, cross that line and are not based on first hand experiences.
If folks genuinely wish to see and read less of him then perhaps a more constructive thing to do would be to write/email the mags, which, BTW seem to be catering specifically to the Joe Kinder style demographic these days.

i certainly see no business model oriented reason for them to change that based on my feedback.

...but i also dont see any reason why me calling the magazines would make a difference...