Majid,
I think the whole point of what angry is implying is that this should be possible to do with gear that any climber has at hand. He didn't say this explicitly, but he did imply it.

I carry a knife. I carry an ATC. I carry rope, sometimes 2 ropes. I carry gear. I carry a headlamp. I carry a jacket, sometimes extra clothes. I carry water and food.

I don't carry a modified rescue 8 for belaying. I realize this can be used for belaying, but out of the people who use a figure 8 in the USA, very few of them use a rescue 8.

Give that same amount of rope/cord that Angry is shown to an inmate in death row and then put them on the top of 20 story high building and tell them “freedom is at the bottom of the wall”

You will see how they manage to get down.

Nice work ! Angry you did a great job..... but I have to give the win to Majid.  you see while many of Majids  post are bullshit they have just enough truth in them to make us all think HMMMM will that work?In this case the results are a solid maybe. BUT Majid gets the win because he made you waste most of a day (A good weather climbing day) to prove him wrong.  Majid is a distorted individual who gets off pissing people off and wasting their time .  Clearly he won this round.

NICE JOB MAJID

I suggested this solution by ripping the cord apart and tie it together to make the last effort to help you in getting down to base. As I said, use it as the last effort when you have insufficient length of soft gear to complete a long rap. Yes, you can die if you rig this thing incorrectly but you still have higher chances to survive if you get down vs. sitting on a ledge and die for not reaching the base. Give that same amount of rope/cord that Angry is shown to an inmate in death row and then put them on the top of 20 story high building and tell them “freedom is at the bottom of the wall”

You will see how they manage to get down.

we got two issues here which we need to discuss;

A- This SOL method does not work at all and just forget about it.

B- It could work with the right tools, and right person as the last resource considering all the risk that is involved with it.

Now, you want sit on the ledge and hope someone will show up 9 days later to bag you up or you want to try to become creative and save your life?

of course , you could die while trying this but , do you rather die on the ledge cause no one came for you or die while trying to save your life?

I know I am not sitting on the ledge crying and waiting for SAR to get me out. Unless I am in really in a bad shape with a missing leg or an arm, I will do any thing and make any rig to get myself out of the situation.

we got two issues here which we need to discuss;

A- This SOL method does not work at all and just forget about it.

B- It could work with the right tools, and right person as the last resource considering all the risk that is involved with it.

Now, you want sit on the ledge and hope someone will show up 9 days later to bag you up or you want to try to become creative and save your life?

of course , you could die while trying this but , do you rather die on the ledge cause no one came for you or die while trying to save your life?

I know I am not sitting on the ledge crying and waiting for SAR to get me out. Unless I am in really in a bad shape with a missing leg or an arm, I will do any thing and make any rig to get myself out of the situation.

Angry

I am going to get the 5 meter rope apart and have that 30 footer tied up to rap with my 8.

You better hope something happens to me, otherwise , I am coming after you once I get down.

Oh so much bullshit!!

Your claim was you could get down 30 feet with 5 feet of rope.

Don't change your own rules now.

Keep your cash dude cause I could take that 5 feet of rope rip it apart and rap 30 feet of distance with it if I get stuck in a situation while people like you call 911 for help.

if you got 12 cords inside a rope then I could use 3 of them to hold a body weight . That will give me @ 4 sets of 5 meter tied up togehter.

Now to the actual rap.

Lets ignore distance knots use, and say that 5 feet of rope will make 30 feet of double strands. That means it will need to be tied to the anchor and you'll rap is as a single line and pass knots.

Standard setup

You're running out of rope Majid.

trophy!

Angry

What is your personal problem with this setup

is it

A- The distance
B- The friction?

And let's not forget about tying knots at the end so you don't rap off the ends of your rop...strands.

But seriously, I think this was a good test, as I've thought of this as an end-all action to take if I had no other options. But even then, I'd still try to find as many other ways as possible before I cut my rope up. Seriously, once you do that, there's no going back. I'd much rather sit for a couple of days without food or water with a healthy rope thinking of what to do next than break apart my most useful piece of equipment. There has to be a way to get out of a situation without tearing apart your rope. I mean, you got to that point, right? Surely you can get somewhere else. There's a reason why we Mainers say "you can't get theah from heah" as a joke. If you're stuck where you are, get to another location and keep moving until you aren't stuck any more. That may not be easy, and may require several trials and errors, but there has to be a solution somewhere.

Nice work Angry.

Why are there rainbows shooting out of that guy's crotch? Wait, I think I saw Def Leppard do this at the Meadowlands during the '87 Hysteria tour.

If you read what he said..... its both. And the fact that the strands don't hold up to multiple rappels. And your math.

An interesting point was roy hinkleys (i think) about doing multiple wraps around a biner instead of a munter to increase friction.

The original discussion was not about a healthy 60 meter rope but a freaking rock fall cutting your rope where you end up with short section of a rope in your hand on the ledge.

You still want to sit hopeless on a ledge waving hand for condors till their meal is ready or you want to rap?