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cracklover
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climbsomething wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: You know, I'm not trying to say that there is anything wrong with having money, and/or choosing to spend it on nice clothes. I was simply commenting on the guy who we ALL know who busts his ass just to look the part. It's just not what this sport is about. At least it's not what this sport used to be about. What about the guy who goes out of his way to wear rags and wax about The Life so he can pass himself off as a Stone Monkey subbie? There are a LOT of those guys too. I'm not saying you're one of them (I suspect you'd deny it anyway), but they're out there. They're slightly more annoying than the weekend warriors, who are at least clean. In reply to: I get pissed sometimes and say/write dumb stuff but I think most of the people on here knew what my original post was getting at and decided to give me shit anyways, even if they understood what I was talking about. Actually, I'd put my money (what's left of it, after buying techy pants) on them thinking you think you're too kool for skool. In reply to: No, I don't buy the cheapest gear possible. I work to get what I want... So do I. My daddy paid for my degree (we should all be so lucky. I know I am.) but I use it. Every two weeks, I get enought scratch to buy a few nice things that I want. Sometimes it's a meal out. Sometimes it's a movie ticket. Sometimes it's a loud pink North Face techy top to wear to the gym. And it's not to look like a climber. I do that when I climb. It's because I like cute pink tops. Nice post for the win. GO
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Maddhatter
Sep 9, 2008, 10:00 PM
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I climbed last week end in blue jeans and a T-shirt!! Does that make me a bad person?
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brownie710
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sweet! sad but true, she's a mail order bride from overseas. no speak english
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deltav
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Yes, I wear outdoor clothing. I wear TNF, Prana, Patagonia, Columbia, Mountain Khakis, etc. They all make good quality, rugged clothing. I just don't wear them climbing, I wear them to work, and around town. I don't buy these brands because of the name or because the cool kids are wearing them, I buy them because I like how they fit and how they hld up to the abuse I give them.
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markc
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patmay81 wrote: If I were more into mountaineering or big walls I would probably go for more high tech clothing, but for the cragging that I love I'll stick to my handme down good will/thrift store clothes. I guess my cajones aren't too big cuz I never have the issue with them being pinched by my pants (and I don't free solo often, and never above 5.9), so I don't see "high tech" crag wear as a necessity, or even better than what I already wear. For cragging, I think technical clothing is a luxury. For years, I put most of my money into gear, trips, etc. I cragged and climbed multipitch routes at Seneca for a few years before I bought my first pair of tech shorts in the Adirondacks. I still wear cotton on a lot of day trips, especially if temperatures are moderate. On hot days, lightweight shorts that dry quickly are awfully nice.
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mecalekahi-mekahidyho
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Generally I will climb with no shirt, and a pair of long john bottoms (without underwear). Or a pair of sweatpants(without underwear) that I cut at the knees using a triangular pattern to look like Peter Pan. So if you see me placing a highstep, I am either getting a foothold, or getting my balls unstuck from my thigh. Oh, and yes, I am sponsored.
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blueeyedclimber
Sep 10, 2008, 1:33 AM
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Maddhatter wrote: I climbed last week end in blue jeans and a T-shirt!! Does that make me a bad person? Were they designer jeans? Acid-washed, maybe?
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Maddhatter
Sep 10, 2008, 1:35 AM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: Maddhatter wrote: I climbed last week end in blue jeans and a T-shirt!! Does that make me a bad person? Were they designer jeans? Acid-washed, maybe? Nope, Just plain old LEE's
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blueeyedclimber
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rtwilli4 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb? because when posers start buying up clothes, it causes new, shitty companies to start making clothes just for posers. Look at snowboarding 20 years ago compared to now. Most of the companies now are no more environmentally conscious than BP Amaco. Prana, Patagonia, etc... those companies are responsible. Just wait and see what the next wave of "climbing companies" turns into. you know rtwilli, I would take you more seriously if you weren't so name-calley. I happen to agree with what your saying just not with your approach. I believe that one of the biggest differences we can make is by what we consume. If we demand more from the companies we buy from, they would have no choice but to provide it for us. The problem is that most people either dont' realize it or don't care. Josh
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Valarc
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k.l.k wrote: Suck it up, cupcake, and pull yr swami out of the closet. Better yet, tie in with a boac. Nothing screams yuppie gymbo eurotrash poseur worse than a harness. .... I got nothin' I tried, I really tried, but I got nothin'
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rtwilli4
Sep 10, 2008, 2:37 AM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb? because when posers start buying up clothes, it causes new, shitty companies to start making clothes just for posers. Look at snowboarding 20 years ago compared to now. Most of the companies now are no more environmentally conscious than BP Amaco. Prana, Patagonia, etc... those companies are responsible. Just wait and see what the next wave of "climbing companies" turns into. you know rtwilli, I would take you more seriously if you weren't so name-calley. I happen to agree with what your saying just not with your approach. I believe that one of the biggest differences we can make is by what we consume. If we demand more from the companies we buy from, they would have no choice but to provide it for us. The problem is that most people either dont' realize it or don't care. Josh blueeyes I think you have a point. The last 3 or 4 posts that I've started have been nothing but rtwilli bashing, and I've realized that maybe I should pay more attention to diction. What I really am annoyed about.... well, I'm not even that annoyed anymore. I was kinda drunk and bored and in a bad mood yesterday. Anyways, what I was really annoyed about is just ignorant consumerism infiltrating one of the things that I love most: rock climbing. To me, climbing is one of the most pure things a man or woman can do. I was a snowboard instructor, on the way to a decent career, and I gave it up. Partly because my girlfriend was forced to move out of this country, back to London.... but also because snowboarding has become kind of a disgustingly irresponsible sport. Many riders don't care who makes their clothes, or what conditions in which the clothes were made. Moreover, most riders don't care if the lifts, resorts, snowmobiles, or snowcats are environmentally responsible or not. They certainly don't care about polluting the air with their SUV's while they are sitting in gridlock on I 70 after finishing their weekend in Summit County. I've always climbed, but in the last few years I have really embraced it. One of the reasons is that no matter where in the world I am, my carbon footprint as a climber is much better than a snowboarder, or anyone else. I saw the apparel companies take hold of the market in snowboarding, and completely exploit it. I really feel like the same thing is happening in climbing. I know I did a shitty job of explaining that in my original post but I was in a bad mood. Anyways.... I wear fisherman's pants and climbing shoes and that's about it. If I have to wear any more clothes than that then I'd better be climbing some huge mountain or big wall somewhere.
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sungam
Sep 10, 2008, 3:05 AM
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fair weather ciimber?
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Valarc
Sep 10, 2008, 3:10 AM
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rtwilli4 wrote: The last 3 or 4 posts that I've started have been nothing but rtwilli bashing, and I've realized that maybe I should pay more attention to diction. No, you should stop posting hypocritical crybaby rants and then backpedaling when you get called out on your douchebagerry.
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rtwilli4
Sep 10, 2008, 3:17 AM
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Valarc wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: The last 3 or 4 posts that I've started have been nothing but rtwilli bashing, and I've realized that maybe I should pay more attention to diction. No, you should stop posting hypocritical crybaby rants and then backpedaling when you get called out on your douchebagerry. fair... but not much fun
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Valarc
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rtwilli4 wrote: fair... but not much fun And hence the discussion of balls
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climbsomething
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Well, rtwilli, since you're explaining yourself in a more intelligent (and slightly self-effacing) way, I'll try to do the same. Folks regularly start threads pissing and moaning about "yuppies" in "poser" clothes, or fat dudes who use real carabiners as keyrings, or preppy girls who wear pink North Face fleeces to class. The tone is almost always an insecure, snivveling droning. Some people's diaper rash just really flares up when they perceive that some "outsider" is hovering around their supposedly exclusive (and most likely new) subculture. These also tend to be the same people who spray about the dirtbag life, because they think it's hardcore, and they want nothing more than to seem hardcore. They really appear to need validation and an identity. Yet a lot of people think those people are needy douchebag tools. I think people associate/d you with that group (I admit that I did), hence the responses you got. Now, as to your given reasons for being anti-trendy-clothes-establishment, well, those are your reasons. I don't share them and probably never will, but they are, at least, more respectable than "OMFG! How dare that Kappa Sig take a Nalgene to his Ultimate Frisbee game! He's not kore like me!" Like many climbers, I drink the haterade too, for lots of silly reasons. But some guy just wearing a rad wicking Prana top doesn't bother me.
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rtwilli4
Sep 10, 2008, 4:05 AM
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climbsomething wrote: Well, rtwilli, since you're explaining yourself in a more intelligent (and slightly self-effacing) way, I'll try to do the same. Folks regularly start threads pissing and moaning about "yuppies" in "poser" clothes, or fat dudes who use real carabiners as keyrings, or preppy girls who wear pink North Face fleeces to class. The tone is almost always an insecure, snivveling droning. Some people's diaper rash just really flares up when they perceive that some "outsider" is hovering around their supposedly exclusive (and most likely new) subculture. These also tend to be the same people who spray about the dirtbag life, because they think it's hardcore, and they want nothing more than to seem hardcore. They really appear to need validation and an identity. Yet a lot of people think those people are needy douchebag tools. I think people associate/d you with that group (I admit that I did), hence the responses you got. Now, as to your given reasons for being anti-trendy-clothes-establishment, well, those are your reasons. I don't share them and probably never will, but they are, at least, more respectable than "OMFG! How dare that Kappa Sig take a Nalgene to his Ultimate Frisbee game! He's not kore like me!" Like many climbers, I drink the haterade too, for lots of silly reasons. But some guy just wearing a rad wicking Prana top doesn't bother me. thanks for that... but i do hate kappa sig's no seriously... i know I came off as a dick head whining puppy. I don't think I'm hard core. I'm freakin happy and that's that. I guess those people I was bitching about are probably pretty happy too and I should let them be happy.
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I kinda joined this one late but... first of all, props to the man in the sticky rubber suit :D I laughed my ass off! I have those $150 pants. I climb in them. And I bike to work every day in them. I talk to clients in them. I volunteer in them. They look good, they take a beating, they repel stains, they wash easy, they dry easy, they fold up small, they are breathable, and they last and last and I wear pretty much only these pants for 80% of the time because that's all I need. I have small loads of laundry that don't take much energy. And that's why I spend on my clothes because that's a whole lot more important than nice furniture, a car, trips to the night club, etc. And oh yeah, about being environmentally aware. Let's talk about the gas it takes to get to the crag, and lets talk about the wood we burn in our camp fires, because this all ain't very environmentally friendly. I don't even own a car so that I can say I'm doing my part but it makes me feel kinda crummy to drive half a day so I can get to a decent crag. So I have to plan all the transit out very carefully and share costs and convince people to go because I sure as hell can't afford to do it all on my own. Can't help it though because I * love * the climbing. So reckless consumerism is not a nice thing. But thoughtful consumerism, well now, I think there's nothing wrong with that. I think driving to buy at WalMart represents reckless but we all draw our own lines and get to color wherever we like.
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the_leech
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rtwilli4 wrote: climbsomething wrote: Nothing screams "I'm poor" like an American who travels to Thailand to climb rocks. Or a guy who is gonna go on a cruise with his parents and is concerned about the on-ship climbing wall. Yep, you're too poor but most importantly too real for that fruityass backpacker's underwear. I WORK in Thailand bro. I make just enough money to pay for my plane ticket. Then I go work for cash in London to be with my girlfriend and barely pay for that plane ticket. Then I come to the states and do landscaping and barely make enough money to climb a bit while I'm here. Yea... my parents took my family on a cruise but that's their money, not mine. I only went because it was the last family vacation I'll ever have with them. I have a college degree that I (notice how I said I) paid for. I'm not in any debt, and could get a good job whenever I want. Fact is, I don't want to live in this plastic country full of clones and pay taxes to a government that only cares about taking care of their friends and tries to pass it off as being the leader of the free world. Say what you want, but I'm not vacationing... I'm opting out of this fake existence that so many americans blindly fall into. In three years I'll have citizenship in the UK AND the Philippines and living in paradise while most of the people on this site will be working 9 to 5 so they can look cool in their name brands that they got on sale. Someone please bitch-slap this young whippersnapper for his use of the word "bro" in a sentence. That's more annoying than any pair of Pranas at the crag anyday. But seriously, I'm glad you're happy. I also thought that being a poor, dual-citizenship, world-traveler was cool before I hit 30. I also thought my world view would never change. Enjoy it while it lasts. You'll be a "clone" soon enough.
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Maddhatter
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"or fat dudes who use real carabiners as keyrings" I do that but there all ones I found. Ones left when someone bailed out and don't trust to climb with.
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Forget gas to get to the crag, or SUVs on the I5, Flights to and from Thailand, London and the States have their own class of environmental impact...
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rtwilli4
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raingod wrote: Forget gas to get to the crag, or SUVs on the I5, Flights to and from Thailand, London and the States have their own class of environmental impact... three flights a year... i think i offset that by not driving for 9 months out of the year.
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micahd
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i wear climbing clothes like arcteryx in general public and climbing. my wardrobe is climbing clothes so therefore i am always ready
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cracklover
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blueeyedclimber wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb? because when posers start buying up clothes, it causes new, shitty companies to start making clothes just for posers. Look at snowboarding 20 years ago compared to now. Most of the companies now are no more environmentally conscious than BP Amaco. Prana, Patagonia, etc... those companies are responsible. Just wait and see what the next wave of "climbing companies" turns into. you know rtwilli, I would take you more seriously if you weren't so name-calley. I happen to agree with what your saying just not with your approach. I believe that one of the biggest differences we can make is by what we consume. If we demand more from the companies we buy from, they would have no choice but to provide it for us. The problem is that most people either dont' realize it or don't care. Josh Perfect case in point: rtwilli uses BP as his example of a worst-case environmental company. Obviously he doesn't have a clue. He just wants to get drunk and rant. Fine, it's been entertaining! But I don't mind calling him on being as clueless as those who he denigrates. In a very dirty industry, BP is no saint. Pollution, oil spills, involvement with nasty governments like Nigeria. But they recently decided not to toe the party line, and they went against all their colleagues when they pulled out of the BS propaganda machine, instead making a statement that global warming is real, and that oil use plays a big part in it. They followed that slap in the face against the industry by investing heavily in alternative energy, primarily wind and solar. It's a smart businuss strategy (after all, oil *is* running out) but it's also a strong stand to take. Just an fyi... GO
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rtwilli4 wrote: raingod wrote: Forget gas to get to the crag, or SUVs on the I5, Flights to and from Thailand, London and the States have their own class of environmental impact... three flights a year... i think i offset that by not driving for 9 months out of the year. Three round trip flights from say New York to London vs. not driving for nine months (say 8,720 miles) . . .nope they don't offset each other.
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