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sungam
Sep 12, 2008, 12:32 PM
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knieveltech wrote: sungam wrote: knieveltech wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: So... what do you wear when the weather is good?? Leopard print lycra tights and a black t-shirt. Fucking awesome. Hell yeah man! I guess I'll know you if I see you when I'm over there. Maybe so. If the weather is crap I'm dressed like everyone else though so don't count on it. When you headed over and where are you planning to climb? 
I will be the ultimate lift moocher!!
(based in chapel hill, btw)
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knieveltech
Sep 12, 2008, 1:39 PM
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That's cool. PM me when you're headed over, we'll go climb.
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Climbing_Pink
Sep 12, 2008, 1:54 PM
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One word... sale racks,
You guys need to learn to shop better. It sucks that guys get to climb without their shirts, less money to spend.. well unless your in Ontario where it's legal to be topless....
..but then the stareing gets too much
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dingus
Sep 12, 2008, 3:20 PM
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Hmmm, looks like one of our MIA soap-box-heros has resurrected himself yet again.
DMT
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Maddhatter
Sep 12, 2008, 3:57 PM
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I find name brand climbing stuff in thrift stores around here all the time for pennies on the dollar. But I do live in the last little bit of hill billy heaven around here with $1,000,000 houses all around me. Just saying you might be shocked at what you can find in thrift stores. Most of what I find is brand new with the tags still on them.
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lucaskrajnik
Sep 12, 2008, 3:57 PM
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First of all rtwilli , your on RC.com ..of coarse these ppl wear that waste of money.
I have friends that do buy that.. mostly just because they have money.. i would like to also ..but im too busy buying other gear.. that matters more to me..
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stymingersfink
Sep 12, 2008, 4:26 PM
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: Now if I can only master the skill of short meaningless replies to get the PC up. And then advance to self referential posts, I might, just might, approach what the kids call cool.
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stymingersfink
Sep 12, 2008, 4:27 PM
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: Now if I can only master the skill of short meaningless replies to get the PC up. And then advance to self referential posts, I might, just might, approach what the kids call cool.
T.i.t.machine just doesn't quite have that ring to it, ya know? Nice visual, but it's missing something...
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Toast_in_the_Machine
Sep 12, 2008, 4:54 PM
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stymingersfink wrote: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: Now if I can only master the skill of short meaningless replies to get the PC up. And then advance to self referential posts, I might, just might, approach what the kids call cool. Sty doubts you will ever truly master this aspect of posting. T.i.t.machine just doesn't quite have that ring to it, ya know? Nice visual, but it's missing something...
I can try
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donald949
Sep 12, 2008, 5:45 PM
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cracklover wrote: Nice rant. Let me just wipe all your spittle off my face, and then ask you a question. You state: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: If you think buying local is good for the earth – wrong – wasting energy. Okay, this sure sounds like BS to me. So correct my math if you please. Let's say farmer A lives in New England and runs a good sized orchard. During apple season, he loads up most of his crop and delivers it once a week to a local distributor or a large grocery store. Let's say he: drives 50 miles loads 200 boxes in the back gets 10 mpg (being conservative here - probably <) The cost in gallons of diesel to get those apples to market is 0.025 gallons per box. Farmer B lives in Washington State. He too ships his apples off to New England. Let's say that truck: drives 3000 miles loads 1000 boxes in the back (being generous here, probably <) gets 10 mpg (being generous here, probably <) The cost in gallons of diesel to get those apples to market is 0.3 gallons per box. So the local apples cost less than one tenth the amount of fuel to get to market than the west coast variety. Even if you factor in the local farmer driving his truck back home, the margin is still huge. GO
My look at it would be, whatever apples are cheapest at your local stores, are probably the lowest cost to market. Which then is most likely has resulted in the least fuels being burned either directly, indirectly, and subsequently. As long as we're comparing apples to apples of coarse. Which would minimizes demand side variables.
Of coarse the the local supplier should have a built in advantage, lower shipping costs. And if his price is competetive, should be the better bet.
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Maddhatter
Sep 12, 2008, 5:52 PM
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Wait!!
What do apples have to do with cloths again?
No one will win this one guys it is always cheaper to grow or make things in mass numbers but most things are better in small numbers with more of a hands on touch.
Even apples to apples there not really the same products.
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donald949
Sep 12, 2008, 6:20 PM
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Maddhatter wrote: Wait!! What do apples have to do with cloths again? No one will win this one guys it is always cheaper to grow or make things in mass numbers but most things are better in small numbers with more of a hands on touch. Even apples to apples there not really the same products.
Actually, that fine too. And generally the better in small numbers is true, if you have someone who cares about what they're doing. You can of coarse always think of a counter example, lazy local guy who just doen't care about his work.
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cracklover
Sep 12, 2008, 7:38 PM
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donald949 wrote: Gabe you forget that the orchard must be maintained all year.
Huh? I didn't forget that - I was asking a quesiton about the fuel it takes to get the product to market.
In reply to: There could be a differance in the two's day to day operations, economies of scale might be one.
To some degree. But basically, both hire a mix of skilled and unskilled workers to prune, pick, etc. The prices here aren't radically different by scale.
In reply to: My look at it would be, whatever apples are cheapest at your local stores, are probably the lowest cost to market. Which then is most likely has resulted in the least fuels being burned either directly, indirectly, and subsequently. As long as we're comparing apples to apples of coarse. Which would minimizes demand side variables.
Ah, there's the rub. Demand-side usually wins the day here, despite quality, price, or cost-to-market. The biggest issue is this: Customers demand the same produce year round. Plus, it's less of a headache for supermarkets and convenience stores to have one distributor who can regularly give them the same produce year round.
In reply to: Of coarse the the local supplier should have a built in advantage, lower shipping costs. And if his price is competetive, should be the better bet.
And in some cases, that lower shipping cost actually *does* win the day. Some big stores (like Wal-Mart) are actually buying locally for exactly that reason.
The real issue, though, was that at $2.50/gal diesel, the price differential just wasn't enough to make anyone take notice. With higher oil prices, the market starts looking at fuel consumption through the same eyes as environmentalists.
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stymingersfink
Sep 12, 2008, 7:46 PM
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cracklover wrote: The real issue, though, was that at $2.50/gal diesel, the price differential just wasn't enough to make anyone take notice. With higher oil prices, the market starts looking at fuel consumption through the same eyes as environmentalists. GO
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donald949
Sep 12, 2008, 7:49 PM
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cracklover wrote: And in some cases, that lower shipping cost actually *does* win the day. Some big stores (like Wal-Mart) are actually buying locally for exactly that reason. The real issue, though, was that at $2.50/gal diesel, the price differential just wasn't enough to make anyone take notice. With higher oil prices, the market starts looking at fuel consumption through the same eyes as environmentalists. GO
Which is why $4-5 gas and diesel is not completely a bad thing.
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donald949
Sep 12, 2008, 7:51 PM
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Dang, did sty and just say the same thing. Dang
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donald949
Sep 12, 2008, 8:04 PM
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sungam wrote: donald949 wrote: Dang, did sty and I just say the same thing. Dang This sentence, if it even is a sentence, makes no sense. unless this "just" character is kicking around somewhere...
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sungam
Sep 12, 2008, 8:05 PM
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With the drifts that have been going on lately, why bother starting a new thread?
H3FTW!!!
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donald949
Sep 12, 2008, 8:07 PM
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sungam wrote: With the drifts that have been going on lately, why bother starting a new thread? H3FTW!!!
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sungam
Sep 12, 2008, 8:15 PM
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donald949 wrote: sungam wrote: With the drifts that have been going on lately, why bother starting a new thread? H3FTW!!! I blamemiss the PCI.
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Toast_in_the_Machine
Sep 13, 2008, 1:49 AM
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Actually, we are discussing climbing clothing, only we are using food as a metaphor for discussing the complexities of the supply chain and their environmental impact as well as the ethical considerations of products, procures and consumer choice.
Clothing, like food, is part of a great web of international commerce which is of staggering complexity and is one where value judgments on individual participants can lead to counter-intuitive results. Food tends to be easier to understand and to draw comparisons on because most people not in the “biz” can understand growing something. Understanding the material management, manufacture, and points of distribution of clothing is more difficult due to much of the present / history (sweat shops, USA cotton slavery, etc.)
Outside of practical clothing comments (i.e. “wicking prevents ass chapping” and “polyester rubs me the wrong way”), value judgments on clothing – like food – should not be taken on face value. This challenge of the assumptions of value is what makes pages turn on the interweb. Boring? Somewhat. But, like safety advice, if you listen, you might learn something. It might be wrong, but at least with food / clothing it won’t kill you.
Unless you are allergic to it, or get salmonella, or choke on it. Well, then it could kill you.
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