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cracklover
Feb 11, 2011, 8:16 PM
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I saw that. Pretty scary!
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esander4
Feb 11, 2011, 9:03 PM
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I wonder how they found out if everything was identical? And how is the "average joe" climber supposed to detect it without testing equipment?
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rmsusa
Feb 11, 2011, 9:27 PM
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They bought a couple of samples is the obvious answer to how they found out. How can YOU tell. ????
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billcoe_
Feb 11, 2011, 9:28 PM
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Do you wonder why Petzl and the other Petzl distributors do not have this listed on their sites?
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esander4
Feb 11, 2011, 9:36 PM
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Yeah but from who, and how could they tell when they bought the samples that they weren't theirs if the samples were identical except for the breaking strength?
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Rudmin
Feb 11, 2011, 9:51 PM
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Material analysis? If it looks the same but is weaker, then it is probably made of a different type of metal or a different treatment or forming process.
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RedpointClimbersSupply
Feb 11, 2011, 11:04 PM
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billcoe_ wrote: Do you wonder why Petzl and the other Petzl distributors do not have this listed on their sites?
I just received an email from Petzl America. This is LEGIT. The email is exactly the same as the post on Karst Worlds. Petzl said they will have it on their website later today. So check their website for any other updates.
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j_ung
Feb 12, 2011, 4:01 PM
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RedpointClimbersSupply wrote: billcoe_ wrote: Do you wonder why Petzl and the other Petzl distributors do not have this listed on their sites? I just received an email from Petzl America. This is LEGIT. The email is exactly the same as the post on Karst Worlds. Petzl said they will have it on their website later today. So check their website for any other updates.
http://www.petzl.com/...sions-petzl-products
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majid_sabet
Feb 12, 2011, 4:48 PM
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I posted the same thread but get locked by modz even due it was posted three hours before yours. I love the power of mods and their discrimination against me.
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kachoong
Feb 12, 2011, 4:53 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: I posted the same thread but get locked by modz even due it was posted three hours before yours. I love the power of mods and their discrimination against me.
Actually Jay posted his about 9 hours before yours.
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milesenoell
Feb 12, 2011, 5:58 PM
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What I found the most shocking is that a legit ascender is only rated to 6kN. I'd never bothered to look it up and always assumed it was closer to 10kN. I doubt mine ever has or will see anything even close to the 4kN that the fake broke at, but I thought the margin for error was larger.
(This post was edited by milesenoell on Feb 12, 2011, 6:06 PM)
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milesenoell
Feb 12, 2011, 6:03 PM
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Actually, now I am curious. I just noticed that the way they got the Croll to fail was without the biner in place at the top of the device. I suspect that if they had it loaded properly with the top biner in place it would not be able to pull the cam through as they have shown. Still sketchy, but not nearly as bad as they are making it look.
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edge
Feb 12, 2011, 6:33 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: I posted the same thread but get locked by modz even due it was posted three hours before yours. I love the power of mods and their discrimination against me.
As Kachoong says, this thread was posted well ahead of yours and already had several posts before you posted. Since this is an important safety concern, I'm sure you can recognize the importance of keeping all relevant information in one place.
There was nothing personal against you, Majid; I would have done the same for anyone else under the circumstances, and applaud your efforts to get this info out.
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julio412
Feb 13, 2011, 6:15 AM
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If somebody could come up with another link, that would be great, as the Chinese have blocked the Karstsworld.com site.
I have forwarded the RC info to some Chinese climbers.
I'm really not too surprised, being that you buy what's called 2nd and 3rd shift North Face, Mammut, Haglofs, Columbia, etc. gear for next to nothing all over the place.
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edge
Feb 13, 2011, 12:50 PM
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julio412 wrote: If somebody could come up with another link, that would be great, as the Chinese have blocked the Karstsworld.com site. I have forwarded the RC info to some Chinese climbers. I'm really not too surprised, being that you buy what's called 2nd and 3rd shift North Face, Mammut, Haglofs, Columbia, etc. gear for next to nothing all over the place. Mario
From Majid's post that was locked. I had hoped he would have transferred the info here himself; I hope he is too busy climbing.
http://www.petzl.com/...sions-petzl-products
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jomagam
Feb 16, 2011, 6:32 PM
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I wonder how many times 13kN major axis strength would have been insufficient during my sport climbing adventures. Probably never.
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carabiner96
Feb 16, 2011, 8:39 PM
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jomagam wrote: I wonder how many times 13kN major axis strength would have been insufficient during my sport climbing adventures. Probably never.
I think you may be getting the wrong take-away from this...
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shimanilami
Feb 16, 2011, 9:37 PM
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The crazy thing is that they (the imposters) went through a hell of a lot of effort to duplicate the genuine product in every respect except manufacturing quality. It almost seems like they want to get someone killed.
It's despicable. Truly, truly despicable.
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jomagam
Feb 16, 2011, 9:55 PM
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carabiner96 wrote: I think you may be getting the wrong take-away from this...
I think you're misunderstanding my intentions for asking.
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jomagam
Feb 16, 2011, 9:59 PM
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I bet the bastards used the Petzl's own machines with inferior materials. They probably work at the factory and sneaked in some "overtime". Otherwise they would've counterfeited some more popular products.
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1904climber
Feb 16, 2011, 10:19 PM
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cracklover wrote: there are a lot of people very good at making counterfeit items - it's probably not that hard to reverse engineer a product to get it to look the same.
i'm a car guy as well as a rock climber, the performance auto parts industry is full of cheap china parts. some of them are copies of quality parts and some are just made in china crap.
however i know a guy that sells some of these china copy parts. (he doesn't sell them to people telling them they are the name brand, everyone knows they are made in china)
anyway, my point is the copies he sells are visually exactly the same as the real part, but not quality wise. they are made out of cheaper materials.
the only visual difference is there is not a brand name badge on them.
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