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krave
Aug 26, 2003, 5:44 AM
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beefcakey climbing Man with face (in profile)
http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=16233
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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 5:46 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Beef cake climbing MAN!!!! Nope, doesn't cut it....I wanna see some FACES, not just yet ANOTHER pic of some guy with amazing back, shoulder and arm muscles...those are a dime a dozen here :roll: :roll: :roll: . |
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ninjaslut
Aug 26, 2003, 5:50 AM
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In reply to: Ninja, thanks for your well-thought reply. And while I am not going to say "you're wrong" (I don't think you are) I think it's possible that you may simply be looking through a different lens. ... I know plenty of (climber) guys are actually sensitive enough to not degrade a woman, and many climber guys also wish they had a sick-strong companion to hang and climb with. I am not sure so many guys are simultaneously deeply respectful yet crass and flip- I mean, some *could* truly be, but they shouldn't have a hard time saying so in a tactful manner, one would hope/think. I don't tend to put too much stock in the connection between crude commentary and sincere awe, but (I hope this isn't being presumptuous) it doesn't sound like you do either.
Perhaps I'm only posting this because I'm compulsive. For your part, it's unnecessary for me to type another word; I'm just now clarifying for everyone else's benefit that I think you do perfectly comprehend and charcterize my position. You're right "deeply respectful" and "sincere awe" are not words that accurately portray the tone of most of the comments we're talking about. Rather, I simply thought it was worth pointing out that it's just great that the female type grabbing all the attention and praise around here is self-reliant, powerful, and successful, not sickly, ignorant, or submissive.
P.S. I think you're abosultely right in being suspicious of any random guy that will walk up to you in the street and give his opinion of your chest. Were I a woman, I would think any such guy is, at best, of no use to me, and, at worst, an imminent threat. But, I don't think that applies here on the internet. As we are, on average, about 2,000 miles away from eachother, I would think that if someone you've never met makes an "I just orgasmed" type comment about your picture, all you need to do is realize he's a schmuck and his views don't mean anything to you. Problem solved. All offenses occur at the moment of perception; a punch is just a swing until it lands. Luckily, in this case, you get to choose whether the offense works. Move on, and they'll keep commenting, and you needn't care.
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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 5:55 AM
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In reply to: It's simple really, it's a question of how seriously you want people to take you. I attended a major university for a couple of years and because of that, I was around many different groups, groups devoted to race, sexual preference, nationality, etc.... I could really care less what these groups did, aside from breaking the law, killing me, ..etc. I do get sick of groups that accuse me of being sexist, racist, prejudiced, etc..., without me doing anything against them. Any group that is not able to convey their message without insulting another group, is not effective, but more importantly, they damage their groups reputation. So, it's simple, are feminists a bunch of raging dikes who hate men and have no real message to convey or any solution to present? Probably not, but that's certainly how it appeared in this thread.
2) If I am being sensitive, perhaps you are too. I was arguing with you but I don't think you're an evil man owing to your race, gender, or whatever. I think at worst you rubbed me wrong, but I didn't partition you and I hope I did not state that implicitly or explicitly. Was an honest mistake if so.
3) I am not a raging dike consumed by social revolution. If it's relevant, I am wearing a bra right now and I am attracted to men, who I allow to keep their genitals. I don't know if you meant any irony by using a label like that in concert with your being upset at being possibly labeled with "isms;" again, I may just be oversensitive on that one. I was conveying a message- frustration with lewd and crude comments, and I was ASKING for everybody's help in creating a solution, if there was a need for one.
Again, cut the I wanna be witty part and I like to think I have a valid point.
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passthepitonspete
Aug 26, 2003, 6:02 AM
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Wearing a bra? Why, pray tell?
And it's spelled "dyke"...
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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 6:09 AM
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In reply to: Wearing a bra? Why, pray tell? And it's spelled "dyke"...
Aye, "dike" is like, a band of crystals in the rock.
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passthepitonspete
Aug 26, 2003, 6:10 AM
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Well, damn - I just knew you had to have a practical use for one o' them thangs......
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camhead
Aug 26, 2003, 6:17 AM
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well, now that the commotion seems to have died down, climbsomething, let me just say that the way this thread "mushroom clouded" was pretty funny to watch. It was hillary-ous. I'm going to bed.
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krave
Aug 26, 2003, 6:20 AM
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yuppers, very much fun, Most semiclimbing related fun I've had since this darn injury....THanks Hillary. See you around.
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zeta
Aug 26, 2003, 6:28 AM
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hey hillary,
good for you for bringing such a controversial topic! Yep, you have valid points--there is a difference between a) appreciating beauty and b) over-the-top objectification/harassment. If men don't *get* that or can't distinguish what's appropriate and what's not, then clearly we need some help! So, you were asking for ideas...
-it seems like the most obvious is for whoever is offended to call the other person on what they wrote...most things can be dealt with between the folks involved, without necessarily having to go to the moderators. If things escalate, then it can go to a moderator...
I totally realize this can only work so far--the anonymity of the internet and it's lack of boundaries/accountability means that at the end of the day, people can spew whatever crap comes out and everyone just needs to deal. But hopefully, some of the guys here read the postings and realize a bit more about appropriate posts.
By the way, I love the climbing pics and reading the comments--there are definitely some excellent shots w/ beautiful looking folks.
Thanks Hillary for the topic! --Done!
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phugganut
Aug 26, 2003, 6:32 AM
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In reply to: Dude, it's easy to look like you're cranking when you're on a TOPROPE like she is! Let's see some pics of ladies cranking some ltrad eads...THAT is sexy.
As to the original topic well, sorry but I just don't agree with you. Actually, it brings 3 words to mind: Drama, drama, & drama.
I mean really, don't be so hypersensitive. People say things to me all the time that I don't like or appreciate, but I don't go whining about it. It's just words. The other day, a patient called me a "F***ing pig of an asshole," "Motherf***ing bastard," and a "Punk-ass p**sy." What did I do? I considered the source and blew it off. Maybe you could do the same. Why get so worked up over some small-minded person's words?
OFTEN WHEN A PERSON IS OFFENDED IT SAYS A LOT MORE ABOUT THE PERSON BEING OFFENDED THAN IT DOES ABOUT THE PERSON DOING THE OFFENDING.
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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 6:35 AM
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In reply to: well, now that the commotion seems to have died down, climbsomething, let me just say that the way this thread "mushroom clouded" was pretty funny to watch. It was hillary-ous. I'm going to bed.
Go BIG and loud to get momentum... see that maybe the big and loud trips a few explosions and lower the tone a few notches (cos ya know, I'm really just a puppy dawg at heart)... but nonetheless take a few wild plunges... try to fit some real discussion in there somewhere... then curtsy and comb over the remains to see what good can be harvested from it all :) It does indeed resemble a mushroom cloud.
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mr_phelps
Aug 26, 2003, 6:35 AM
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Dikes, Dykes, who cares. I don't know how to spell that word, I never use it in writing. I realize that a dike is a wall meant to stop floods, I had to look it up though. In the future, I will strive for accurate slurs. A group is any person, such as a single Hillary, who basically has something to say. You do not need to have a political agenda to be a group.
I do not intend to come off as witty, I just wanted to convey my feelings without taking up lots of space. More or less, I am just annoyed. I consider myself a pretty tolerant person of lesbians, gays, rednecks, black, white, green people, Asian people, feminists, the whole world basically, I don't care who it is.
I sincerely can't stand groups that bitch about stuff to me, I have grown to dislike them and ignore them, and I gave a simple reason why. However, to recap while I was at school, so many groups were more interested in blaming people, then say informing them of the problem. Now, when I see someone with a sign I instinctively ignore that person.
Who knows, maybe I am sensitive, but it could be that I just get really aggravated by people who cannot seem to solve a problem without being pissed off about it.
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pbjosh
Aug 26, 2003, 6:39 AM
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In reply to: That your girl, Josh? I like the one of her bouldering. (cos it's a good PHOTO! ;) good angle and expression)
Three different women in those pics.
First pic a friend, middle three are my ex-gf / still-climbing-partner, last pic is a diff. friend.
Unfortunately I don't have any good pics of women leading trad, but here's another good shot anyways:
http://crag.assimilation.org/...105-0554_IMG-640.JPG
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karlbaba
Aug 26, 2003, 6:44 AM
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Guys need to imagine what it feels like to get "unwanted" sexual attention, Like imagine walking down the hallway between cells on your first day in prison.
I get horribly distracted when I see a beautiful woman, but I'm careful to treat people as people.
This sport used to be way worse. Hardly any women climbed 20 years ago.
Of course ladies, it might be worse if you were the ones infected with testosterone and guys didn't pay any attention to you. The torture goes both ways.
The thing I like about being a guy is not having to date guys. (no offense to those guys who do, but you get the point)
Peace
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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 6:44 AM
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*sigh* sorry you feel that way phug. I could whine about it but I'll respect your right to breathe in a whine-free environment, ok? ;)
phelps, are you then, just sharing your frustration with us as an FYI, or do you think I wronged you with labels? If you think I done you wrong, then do say so somehow so I can restate my intention with my steaming-bile feminist shrieking. And again, I AM trying to do something about what I consider an annoying aspect of rc.com. I am more pragmatic than you might think. You're being cryptic. Did I offend you and pigeonhole you and start screaming with no plan to clean up the perceived mess I stumbled upon? Or did I just remind you of some redneck dYke who you tried to sympathize with but who just told you to sod off back in college?
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pbjosh
Aug 26, 2003, 6:46 AM
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In reply to: Dude, it's easy to look like you're cranking when you're on a TOPROPE like she is! Let's see some pics of ladies cranking some ltrad eads...THAT is sexy.
I welcome you to come to Woodson and lead Go With The Flow (11d) or Uncertainty Principle (11c). I guess they're both trad leads in that there are no bolts. No gear either. You're welcome to boulder them out as well. Both top out around 40' above death landings. Lemme know when you're headed down.
I happen to have a lot more bouldering and Woodson pictures because those are things you do / places you go in a group w/ short approaches and motivation to take pictures. Long hard multipitch routes I mostly leave the camera behind and just stoke on the climbing.
josh
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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 6:49 AM
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In reply to: I just get really aggravated by people who cannot seem to solve a problem without being pissed off about it.
disclaimer: not an attack on phelps, just a mini-soapbox...
You HAVE to be at least a little angry to fuel your passion for change/problem-solving. If not straight-out pissed, then at least dissatisfied, not content, restless. Cos if you were always content or indifferent, why would you ever want to change things?
That iz all.
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jakedatc
Aug 26, 2003, 7:00 AM
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Hey.. i usually hide down in the Mass climbers thread...BOO!
Lol I'll agree with hillary that alot of the comments are a bit much
i'm more amused with Beth though and her request for face pics.. (sorry i don't qualify with being hot or muscle bound)
http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=16544
http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=16336
euro's ;)
http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=7961
http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=9208
http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=14835 had to put this one in cuz i had a friend packing her bags to spain when i showed her... lol
last but not least....http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=10515
Jake
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Aug 26, 2003, 7:17 AM
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While there are some valid points to her argument, I can't help but think that this is ANOTHER attempt by Climbsomething to draw attention to herself. It is a recurring trend, it seems that there is not a post or comment by her that she doesn't talk herself up. Pretty annoying really.
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strongerthanyesterday
Aug 26, 2003, 7:29 AM
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Climbsomething states her points from HER standpoint. This involves explaining things from HER perspective. I really don't see how this is annoying and she actually tends to use quite a bit of self deprecating humour. You should try that because you sound arrogand and judgemental towards someone who is dissatisfied with the lewd comments towards women that made here and is instigating change in a funny and respectful way.
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phugganut
Aug 26, 2003, 7:33 AM
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Now that's fuggin sexy!!! Oops, I better watch out. Somebody might be offended! That would be just terrible! :oops: :oops: :oops:
Ok reading over it I guess my last post was a bit harsh, but the point is still the same. Also, even though I don't see what the big deal is, I've never responded to someones pics in a remotely offensive manner. It's just not my style.
BTW, nice placement!!! I can''t help but notice.
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jimmyjamal
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i'm only new to climbing but havfe already picked up a strong passion for it. i love pics of anyone doing something that looks extremly hard, i am a male so it is natural unless i were a sexist that i would like the pic even more if it were to have some other aspect that i like (women), i personally find women do a difficult climb very intreging. when someone comments on how hot "she" looks or what ever its not just because she is a girl, and it doesn't mean that they want to pull of her pants and fuck her on the spot, what it means is they think she is beautiful and even more so because she is doing something that they love so much themselfs. if someone were to wright "god damit i wana rip off her pants and make love to her", then yes i would see a problem. cant you just learn to take complements as they are intended as a compliment. maybe u are upset because noone says such comments about you? either way it matters not.
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climbsomething
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