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coopershawk
Jul 24, 2005, 3:37 PM
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How much fun could it be climbing clouds anyways? I'll bet there are some wicked brimstone crack systems in hell at any rate, at least, that's what all the pictures show. FA's on brimstone with the Devil belaying....cool.
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wanderinfree
Jul 24, 2005, 3:47 PM
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I gave up religion for Lent this year.
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prezwoodz
Jul 24, 2005, 4:08 PM
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To many pages for me to care to read through! So this has probably already been said this way.
I really do not have any kind of religion. I believe in anything you wish to believe in. Climbing is something i love and Peak Bagging is something im addicted to. To me there my religion. I dont go to church. I dont pray. And i dont have a bible. I do however Climb, stare into the mountains for hours, and have Freedom of the Hills.
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rastafari
Jul 24, 2005, 4:14 PM
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Climbing makes faith stronger, so climbing and faith cannot exist without each other. As simple as that.
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ikefromla
Jul 24, 2005, 5:25 PM
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In reply to: Plus, who cares how old this particular topic is...it's interesting none the less.
some may disagree, namely me.
In reply to: Granted, there are some issues on this site that just need to be shot down once and for all, but this one is good
BZZZ you lose.
In reply to: So, if you don't like the fact that this topic has been resurfaced, then move on and spend your time on something else rather than trashing someones legit curiosity for still having the courage to speak out rather than the fear of being bashed by the glazen-eyed freaks that supposedly know what topics are "good" and those which are "bad" on this site.
:drama: You get the prize for most time wasted on a post... EVER.
this topic still sucks.
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rowdyburro
Jul 24, 2005, 8:05 PM
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Have you ever been drawn to the mountains, feeling something inside you driving you to climb higher, away from the hustle and bustle of planet earth? As if you are ascending to meet someone or something that you have never seen. Storms brewing on the horizon, telling you not to go up, your gonna get stuck or maybe never return, but you shut out the noise and keep climbing. As if you have a special appointment, a place to be at a given time, you know its an appointment made from the foundations of the earth. Why? because it is built inside you. As you climb, you begin to lose all your religion, (ceremony, tradition, self-righteousness), everything that has held you back from this knowing your identity. You climb, and the battle of your faith and your fear begin. The voices cry out telling you, you can't make it, your foolish, they will never find you, you are just an animal and will never amount to anything, your not important to anybody. But as the fear rises so does this faith inside of you, an inner strength that you have never experienced. WOW, why such a battle for stirring within your soul? You make the summit and the view is indescribable, you rest and wait and listen. There on the mountain top away from all of humanity and the world, its just you. You have climbed, you have conquered. You know that this cannot be in vain, this is an appointment in time and space. The voices come again, and tell you there is nothing here, it was all in vain. And then, the wind blows on your face, as if a breath of life, and you hear another voice. A still..... small..... voice, whispering, "...........I............Love.............You........."
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sully264
Jul 24, 2005, 9:21 PM
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Climbing is my religion... So... i think the question is worthless.
Not that it somehow has worth in anyother context, i still can't believe we went 8 pages on this.
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baja_java
Jul 25, 2005, 1:04 AM
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definitely choose religion, all of them, because you need to fully understand people's religions before you can properly make fun of them. climbing is a close second though
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cintune
Jul 25, 2005, 1:55 AM
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Have you ever been drawn to the mountains, feeling something inside you driving you to climb higher, away from the hustle and bustle of planet earth? The voices cry out telling you, you can't make it, but as the fear rises so does this faith inside of you. Then you peel off an easy foot and crater, knocking the breath from your lungs and quite possibly rupturing your spleen. The voices come again, and tell you it was still worth it. And then, the wind blows on your face, raising a small cloud of dust that stings your eyes, and you hear another voice. A still..... small..... voice, whispering, "Dumb...ass."
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godskid5
Jul 25, 2005, 4:29 AM
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GOD, family, friends, work, climbing, mt. biking, whitewater. bout that order. could never give up my faith for anything.
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joshportell
Jul 25, 2005, 4:40 AM
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I UNDERSTAND THE ATHEIST VIEWPOINT. WHEN YOU TURN ON THE NEWS AND SEE ALL THE HORRIBLE THINGS GOING ON IN THE WORLD, THE HATRED, VIOLENCE, NATURAL DISASTERS AND MOSTLY ALL THE SUFFERING THAT COVERS THE GLOBE. IT IS VERY HARD TO BELIEVE IN AN ALMIGHTY, ALL POWERFUL, LOVING GOD WHO DOES NOTHING TO STOP THE DISGUSTING THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. IF YOU COULD WOULDN'T YOU.
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grk10vq
Jul 25, 2005, 5:16 AM
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I get up every sunday morning at 5:45 AM......and then go climbing.
Mmm religion.
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landongw
Jul 25, 2005, 5:21 AM
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i would definitely keep my faith. In truth, everything else is secondary. With faith everything in life takes meaning. Without faith, everything means nothing, because that's what you would have in the end.
i have faith in the eternal, infinite.
climbing? forget it, i'm immortal. Over the next 600 billion yea....uh, eternity
...well probably will have a chance to play on a rock again at some point. Can anything really be taken away when you believe in eternity?
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karlbaba
Jul 25, 2005, 5:37 AM
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I don't see how anybody can honestly choose to believe something other than what they believe in order keep what they enjoy. Actually, maybe we do that all the time.
In any case, it would only be lying to ourselves, which we do all the time, to give up "our faith."
Ironically, to come closer to truth we have to give up our old "faith" constantly as we see things clearer and in more light. If you have the same perspective on reality that you had 10 years ago, you haven't been seeking greater light.
It's worth noting that, as great as climbing is, many of the greatest climbers in history didn't stay obsessed with it as they grew older. Climbing is just a tool for knowing and experiencing yourself, which in turn should give you more prespective on God.
PEace
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crshbrn84
Jul 25, 2005, 8:26 AM
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im going to stick with climbing, i gave up religion years ago
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sekcot
Jul 25, 2005, 2:26 PM
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The question I believe was, would you give up your religion/faith. Now to me, faith isn't just faith to a set religion or to a set God. What about having faith in yourself. Having faith in others. Religion is defined as "a set of beliefs, values, and practices." So couldn't climbing in itself be a religion. I don't believe in any religion ... however, I'm not saying any religion is wrong. But to debate over a topic that never has an answer, to me is pointless. My faith is different than any religion. Would I give up climbing for who I am ... this can't be answer. Climbing is a part of who I am, and if I were to give up a part of who I am ... how could I have faith in myself?
neither
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frawg
Jul 27, 2005, 5:50 AM
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You're going to tell me that you believe on some crap prophesies from some roughly translated books written by some confused primates about how our current or future lives are going to end up? What happened to "Free agency" or "freedom of choice"?
Gods were invented by man to explain the unexplainable.
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jayteefiveseven
Jul 27, 2005, 6:07 AM
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In reply to: HAND DOWN! Climbing Stays! I'm an Athiest!
so i apologize if anyone has commented on this yet, as i cant imagine reading nine pages of this...
but blackaven, if climbing stays, i do believe that would mean you would have to give up your atheism and embrace your creator.
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ikefromla
Jul 27, 2005, 7:02 AM
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In reply to: Try reading Revelations. How can a God be a God if all he is God of are puppets??? You first must understand why we are givin the right to choose before you can understand why God stands back and allows us to do what we do. |
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Jul 27, 2005, 7:10 AM
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UM i might be wrong but atheism isn't a faith so you wouldnt need to give it up...... a-theism. you are not theistic.....it doesnt even mean you believe in no god, it is a title that god beleivers give to people who dont need to acknowledgesomething that doesnt exist....so it's not a fait but rather a lackof faith...... of course there are those atheists wholove to be in your face about it and for them it is just another religion to comfort you andmake you feel right...
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elepita
Jul 27, 2005, 7:14 AM
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Man, this thread totally explains why in Europe we think americans are crazy.....people, get out to climb more often!
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stzzo
Jul 27, 2005, 7:31 AM
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In reply to: a 3.5-year-old can of worms resurrected by a n00b with 4 posts. i'm not even gonna touch this one.
In reply to: In reply to: Plus, who cares how old this particular topic is...it's interesting none the less. some may disagree, namely me. In reply to: Granted, there are some issues on this site that just need to be shot down once and for all, but this one is good BZZZ you lose. In reply to: So, if you don't like the fact that this topic has been resurfaced, then move on and spend your time on something else rather than trashing someones legit curiosity for still having the courage to speak out rather than the fear of being bashed by the glazen-eyed freaks that supposedly know what topics are "good" and those which are "bad" on this site. :drama: You get the prize for most time wasted on a post... EVER. this topic still sucks.
In reply to: In reply to: Try reading Revelations. How can a God be a God if all he is God of are puppets??? You first must understand why we are givin the right to choose before you can understand why God stands back and allows us to do what we do. are you saying that God created the "Right to Choose," that all those "Anti-Choice" Republican Bible Thumpers say God disapproves of? whoa.. now that belongs in the book of Revelations! |
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Jul 27, 2005, 10:16 AM
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Even though I am a atheist, I do think that most religious people have something to fight for or are supported by in their fights.If a strong beleiver has cancer and keeps praying they get strength out of there prayers, just because their minds think there someone else helping them.And if they do good deeds because of their religion like helping their fellow man, than I think everyone should be like that.But then again, religions almost always starts wars which ofcourse is horrible.
-LT
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In reply to: I strongly oppose the "if we can't explain it, let's make something up" view.
Juliana - this is really the heart of the matter; that what really defines us is our inability to accept unanswered questions. As a species we are completely intolerant of the condition as it feeds fear down to some very primitive levels within. It also defines our greatest weakness - that we allow ourselves to be so easily manipulated by our fear of the unknown and uncertainty. You've already shown yourself to be a brave individual for abandoning fear and embracing the questions rather than cling to concepts, practices, and beliefs that defy any reasoned inquiry. Climb on and enjoy...
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