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In reply to: In reply to: . . . I don't think there are a lot of "hens" (a really lame term for women BTW, dude) [whispering] (Beth, in the U.K. they call a bachelorette party a hen party - it's not an offensive term there.) [/whispering]
Ahhh, good to know. Haven't been to a lot of them, but the ones I had are always just called a "bachelorette party." Hen party is a new one to me. Or maybe that's what guys call girls' bachelorette parties.
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climbsomething
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In reply to: What is your take on censorship climbsomething? Just wondering...
Look, censorship is how somebody else approaches your words after you say them. SELF-CONTROL and RESPECT are what you practice yourself, how you approach your own words BEFORE you say them. The latter is what is at issue here. I don't want to see the nastiness retro-modded. I want people to control themselves because just MAYBE they're making other users uncomfortable.
...though I am sure people would purposely break the rules after they're in place just to get the negative attention. Mmmm, martyrs!
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hellclimber
Aug 27, 2003, 12:29 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: What is your take on censorship climbsomething? Just wondering... My take on censorship is: it sucks. The language filters around here- ... blabla blabla lots of rambling about communism and wonderful mods blabla blabla SELF-CONTROL and RESPECT blabla I want people to control themselves because just MAYBE they're making other users uncomfortable. ...
Think a lot about that one did you. Didn't mean to get you that riled up (or maybe I did). Sorry. I answered your post in a more serious tone earlier but the thread got very boring and repetitive so I decided to help spice it up a bit. Didn't mean to make you cry though... :roll: And my quote doesn't say anything derogative about mod'ing. Just asked how you felt about censorship... :twisted:
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sharpender
Aug 27, 2003, 6:21 AM
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Climbsomething:
My last post was of course impetuous and an elliptic reference to the first photo you displayed as an example. I think I owe you an apology. I have read your posts here and I don't really think you were trolling. I don't think you created this image. You merely selected it as an example. Right? Rotate the image 90 degrees counterclockwise and take a close look at it. Some lead eh? This kind of leaves the boys hooting about we like the photos because they don't objectify they show the the girls climbing hard, the way we dream they will, with a real illusion. But heck she is a hottie isn't she?
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allan_thomson
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[quote="moabbeth"] And I probably wear more skirts than you wear kilts.
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I doubt you do actually. I wear a kilt, every night I go out on the town. I like wearing a kilt so much (because I am proud of my roots), that I wear one at the slightest opportunity. And I certainly don't go round lifting girls skirts, so I don't deserve to have my kilt lifted. And saying hen night for women is just the same as saying a stag night for men. If you don't understand what they mean, then don't comment.
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allan_thomson
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[quote="moabbeth"] And I probably wear more skirts than you wear kilts.
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I doubt you do actually. I wear a kilt, every night I go out on the town. I like wearing a kilt so much (because I am proud of my roots), that I wear one at the slightest opportunity. And I certainly don't go round lifting girls skirts, so I don't deserve to have my kilt lifted. Contrary to what you think, I also treat women with respect (ie holding open doors for them - though you'd probably say that was patronising or something). And saying hen night for women is just the same as saying a stag night for men. If you don't understand what they mean, then don't comment. Thanks everyone for setting her right.
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climber49er
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In reply to: Rotate the image 90 degrees counterclockwise and take a close look at it. Some lead eh? This kind of leaves the boys hooting about we like the photos because they don't objectify they show the the girls climbing hard, the way we dream they will, with a real illusion. But heck she is a hottie isn't she?
What on earth are you talking about? There is no way thats a manufactured shot. Gravity is decidedly pulling down, not 90 degrees away from the rock face. You are not making sense at all Sharpie.
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In reply to: In reply to: What is your take on censorship climbsomething? Just wondering... My take on censorship is: it sucks. The language filters around here- changing words to schtupp and poo? That's silly. Writers in Communist countries being assasinated for speaking against their government? Abominable. What do you think you're dealing with here? Am I a minion of Stalinism? Yeah, go to a 2nd-world soviet bloc remain and tell me we're into censorship. Tell us we're Mod NAZIs? Yeah, I am sure. We gas words by the millions. You poor poor souls, who can't tell us how your wang grows, when you see a girl in tight clothes, dangling from a rock by her fingers and toes. Look, censorship is how somebody else approaches your words after you say them. SELF-CONTROL and RESPECT are what you practice yourself, how you approach your own words BEFORE you say them. The latter is what is at issue here. I don't want to see the nastiness retro-modded. I want people to control themselves because just MAYBE they're making other users uncomfortable. ...though I am sure people would purposely break the rules after they're in place just to get the negative attention. Mmmm, martyrs!
Such a Great Thread,Climbsomething, You really went all out and it shows. :wink: :lol:
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I gotta be honest I would much rather see a hot girl climber than a guy on any route but that doesn't mean I'm a perv.
Another thing I don't get is why some guys think a girl climbing is hot even if she's deffinately not, just because she's a climber. Maybe I just don't see it or maybe they are just dorks. :)
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sharpender
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IMHO, she is not horizontal, but standing in a crack in a vertical position and clipping into a draw that is being pulled up and out by a line, not even necessarily the line she is clipping with. Look carefully at the placement of her right foot and the posture of her left leg. When it's rotated its evident she is standing on and holding herself fully relaxed on her left arm. Now look at the rope. She is not leading. She has no gear on her harness. Look again at the the draw. A second draw is pulling the draw she is clipping into into the position for her to clip. It's fake. absolutely fake. Sorry to blow your illusion. Enjoy the magic of photography. When I first looked at it I didn't want to believe it either, but I studied it and then my girlfriend took one look and spotted it right off.
I wanted to start a separate thread about this. You know, take a vote. get everyones reaction. Is she or isn't she. Her body posture is the giveaway. She has near zero strain to hang upside down and clip that thing. Gimme a break. It takes a lot of work to hold ones whole body in position. I also believe that the rock formation around her has been "tweaked" in photoshop.
By the way I have no objection to your proving me wrong. Give me solid reasons to understand that she is "leading" or even really climbing that completly horizontal roof and I'll buy the beer.
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thomasribiere
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sharpender, rotate the pic (Oli warming up) 90°, and you will get horizontal stalactites... very common...
hillary, I understand you and I now avoid to make this type of comments, as you or others asked me once (when I used to post in the LAdies forum) to be more respectful. So I try to be, except in the Community. I just noticed that I made a very "nice" comment in the pic with the spanis grls bouldering in Bleau but couldn't resist to make a joke in french and english...
But please, no censorship. Maybe a mod should look at the comments and why not ask the author to reformulate (?) it.
But please don't get rid of these pictures! Because beyond the fact they generate comments and show ladies in bikinis, they are all of excellent quality, and we can't say otherwise.
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joegoesup
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How about less debate and more HOTTIE PICS! :D
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timstich
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In reply to: Such a Great Thread,Climbsomething, You really went all out and it shows. :wink: :lol:
YOU CAN'T CALL ME THAT! (defined)
One group tenaciously guards forbidden words, modes of speech, etc. that pertain to them or have the mere appearance of pertaining to them. Said forbidden items are occasionally and with humorous/friendly intent are displayed publicly by members of the group for that groups' pleasure and at it's discresion. Friends are allowed in on the fun, but outsiders are viciously attacked. Attempts to initiate similar humor by non-group persons are considered sacreligious.
You see this within ethnic groups, nationalities, families, social classes, ad nauseum.
So bravo on the thread.
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vertical_reality
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Since when does saying "I just had an orgasm," "could she please move her arm down just another inch," "my compliments to her father" or "I wish my second looked like that" have anything constructive to do with CLIMBING, photography, or encouraging women to develop their skills as athletes? Hillary, anyone who captions their picture with "How super is MY crack ???:) is asking for it or at least capable of taking it in stride. Why would you think anyone ELSES stupid sexual inuendos are any more serious or objectionable than your own? Why yes. But, crazy enough, that wasn't a sexual innuendo. Even I can be innothent! I am not objectifying anybody else or their experience. That photo is of me on a climb called Super Crack. Ever heard of it? I like puns, and was referring to the crack in the rock, not my ass, and did not follow up my corny play on words with anything involving any of my body's ports of entry. Don't try too hard, now. NEXT!!
Sorry Hillary, but whether or not you meant the quote to refer to the route itself or a part of your body it came across to everyone (well alot anyways) that you were referring to your body and not the actual route. You even capitalized the "MY" which seems to further highlight that you were in fact talking about your body. It's not what you say that is important, its the way that people react to it.
What if there was a picture of a female climber with a bikini top on and a full rack of gear and my comment to the picture was "Geez, she's got a great rack!" How would you first interpret that?
But I do agree with your original post. The guys that leave comments about how beautiful the female climber should spend a little more time away from their computers. I bet none of them would have the balls to say it if they were there in person.
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paulv7
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In reply to: By the way I have no objection to your proving me wrong. Give me solid reasons to understand that she is "leading" or even really climbing that completly horizontal roof and I'll buy the beer.
I would have to say the pic is real. First look at her hair and chalk bag. They are consistent with her hanging from a roof. Yes the draw could be pulled out from the wall like that but why? If they were trying to fake this pic they went to some far measures. Next look at the rope, the way it is laying down her body and up her arm. The rope would not do that if she was vertical. Especially the way it falls around behind her wrist. Finally look at her left breast. The way it is pulled by gravity is consistent with her being on a roof. As for her not straining she is somewhat. Her left arm is flexed and it appears her abs for flexed out. Also it’s not like she hung there to pose for the picture. Even if she did somewhat, with a bomber hold she could be stable there for a while.
As for her leading I think she is leading and all the draws are already hung so she would not need any on her harness.
I think if she was standing on her right leg as you say her calf and quad would be flexed more than it is.
Like you said it could be fake, I believe it’s real and those are my reasons. :P
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timstich
Aug 28, 2003, 2:58 PM
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And the beat goes on....and the beat goes on....and the beat goes
Ball of Confusion. That's what the World is today. Hey hey.
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qacwac
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It is unfortunate that it takes so little for us men to think about sex, but you women are far from blameless.
Any female, especially a relatively attractive one, that is going to have her picture taken in a sports bra is asking for it. If you don't agree it's because you aren't a man and have no idea how our mind works.
Regardless of whether it is wrong or not, scantily clad women make men think about sex. Even if it is wrong it is not going to change. Always has and always will. You not liking it is not going to make men look differently at near naked women. We will still think about sex. If you put a picture of yourself on the site in little clothing it will make men think about sex.
I marvel that you women still wear in public and post pictures in this type of clothing and then complain about the response it brings.
If prior to my post you did not realize what it did to guys you have now been enlightened. If you did know already then what are you complaining for.
It's a very simple formula:
A + B + C -> D
where
A is young heterosexual males,
B is pictures of scantily clad women
C is a public, semi anonymous forum (thus normal constraints of embarassment and politeness are diminished
-> is the yield sign for any non-mathmaticians out there, not =
D is crass comments
Honestly, if you want to make a change start with yourself (which perhaps you already have) and don't make yourself the object. You say, "Well I don't want comments made like that about me, but I want to wear my sports bra." You can't have it both ways. It is a fact forever that men seeing women in revealing clothing will make them think about sex and even if they don't say them, imagine the comments that you've read. So be modest. Your rants will not affect the psycho/physiological (not sure if that's the right word) processes in a man's head. Nor do I think you really want to. Imagine a world where men were not sex crazy. Very few of you women would be getting married, one (of the two in my estimation) of your powers over men would be gone. Just think of all that guys do to ultimately get sex. Gone. No I think it would be much better if you women were a little (make that a lot) more modest. And your power over men would be even greater and you would gain the respect of men such as myself (not that you particularly want that, just saying).
Clarifications:
I have made no comments that you speak of
I think the guys are wrong in their comments
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the_pirate
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The Hotties threads are by far the lamest on the site. With the god threads running a close second.
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In reply to: The Hotties threads are by far the lamest on the site. With the god threads running a close second.
Yep. Agreed. I found it to be pretty funny that the originator of this thread commented on some dude's picture by saying, "Guys who wear glasses are hot!" Then I see this thread. I later go back to the picture and her comment was cleaned up a bit. Her credibility was pretty much ruined the second I saw her comment and then this hypocritical thread thereafter. Someone is either trolling or pretty confused.
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In reply to: Any female, especially a relatively attractive one, that is going to have her picture taken in a sports bra is asking for it.
Just like when I, being a relatively attractive man, have my picture taken while smuggling slightly larger than average sized grapes up a problem in my banana hammock. The idea is you are wearing the least amount of clothing possible for comfort... but you will have to deal with the consequences. I stopped wearing my banana hammock at crowded bouldering areas because the comments were too offensive and distracted me from my climbing experience. Not to mention I couldn't get anyone to give me a good spot... quite different than the ladies' experience, I'm sure. Now I only wear it when I am climbing alone.
In reply to: You say, "Well I don't want comments made like that about me, but I want to wear my sports bra." You can't have it both ways.
Right, I like my banana hammock but can't wear it unless I am comfortable with the comments I'm sure to get. Christian Griffith knows what I'm talking about...
In reply to: No I think it would be much better if you women were a little (make that a lot) more modest. And your power over men would be even greater and you would gain the respect of men such as myself
Yes, and you should wear veils on your heads in public too... hell, you shouldn't even be in public, you should be at home raising my children, cooking, and cleaning, and if you finish by 9pm you can climb on the home wall, in the garage, for 30 minutes, but only if wear a long sleeve shirt and pants.
What on earth would make you girls think you have any right to be attractive AND comfortable at the same time?!?!
No, but seriously, you are all (well most of you) are attractive and I must say strong climbers turn me on... umm, I mean strong female climbers turn me on... strong female climbers and Sharma... and sometimes Vic Copeland, but only on good days, and in a purely heterosexual kinda way... but seriously, either get used to it or avoid the situations that make you uncomfortable (ie don't post your pics for 14 year old wankers to gawk at... simple). As a co-worker told me... don't feed the bears...
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In reply to: It is unfortunate that it takes so little for us men to think about sex, but you women are far from blameless.
This is exactly the type of statement I'm hereby distancing myself from. Speak for yourself. I'm a man and see no reason to grovel because of an accident of birth.
I have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic man guilt thoughts. I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the overall communist conspiracy, to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
-Jack D. Ripper
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Hot damn - two hundred replies and ten thousand page views.
Sex sells.
Man, I've got a hottie bouldering pic or two that would peel the paint off the walls, yet despite the model revealing no nudity, the powers that be here refused to approve it when the model and I tried to submit it about a year ago.
How and where does one draw the line? How hot is "too hot"?
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passthepitonspete
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Correct. That's the photo. Interestingly and amusingly, in the last ten minutes I've received two PM's inquiring about it!
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!
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In reply to: As for her leading I think she is leading and all the draws are already hung so she would not need any on her harness. I think if she was standing on her right leg as you say her calf and quad would be flexed more than it is.
I think if she were leading the rope would be going down past her feet to the previous clip, or perhaps even hanging down if this is the first clip. The rope ends at her harness. She is not leading, despite the caption saying she is "clipping her way up". Also, she has no draws on her harness. The draws as you say could be already in place, but the absence of them in a "faked" photo avoids the problem of how they would truely react to gravity. It is not difficult to get the chalk bag to stay in that position if she is standing up. Any basic prop person or photo stylist can do it. Ditto for her hair. The tension in her arm muscle, holding her to the rock is consistent with standing up and not with holding the body from falling downward from the extended position she is in. Her body posture reaching for the clip is consistent also with reaching up and not out. I think if she were using her legs to hold her weight in place in a horizontal position they would be more flexed. The tension is consistent with standing erect. the rope is not terribly difficult to dress like that, however I concede that it does drape downward, suggesting gravity. BUt again she is holding it where she is clipping. A major concern remains with the three draws, the one from the anchor, the one leading beyond her with the rope/line attached and the third one she is clipping. Why would any climber, attach two draws to the draw already in to the anchor and clip in in this fashion?
As far as thomasribiries comments on stalcitites. I must say they do not look real to me. Nor does the rock in the background. Can you say photoshop?
For real proof, we need photos of this route from a wider angle showing the formation in detail with the sourrounding background; ground, far distance, etc...
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In reply to: In reply to: As for her leading I think she is leading and all the draws are already hung so she would not need any on her harness. I think if she was standing on her right leg as you say her calf and quad would be flexed more than it is. I think if she were leading the rope would be going down past her feet to the previous clip, or perhaps even hanging down if this is the first clip. The rope ends at her harness. She is not leading, despite the caption saying she is "clipping her way up". Also, she has no draws on her harness. The draws as you say could be already in place, but the absence of them in a "faked" photo avoids the problem of how they would truely react to gravity. It is not difficult to get the chalk bag to stay in that position if she is standing up. Any basic prop person or photo stylist can do it. Ditto for her hair. The tension in her arm muscle, holding her to the rock is consistent with standing up and not with holding the body from falling downward from the extended position she is in. Her body posture reaching for the clip is consistent also with reaching up and not out. I think if she were using her legs to hold her weight in place in a horizontal position they would be more flexed. The tension is consistent with standing erect. the rope is not terribly difficult to dress like that, however I concede that it does drape downward, suggesting gravity. BUt again she is holding it where she is clipping. A major concern remains with the three draws, the one from the anchor, the one leading beyond her with the rope/line attached and the third one she is clipping. Why would any climber, attach two draws to the draw already in to the anchor and clip in in this fashion? As far as thomasribiries comments on stalcitites. I must say they do not look real to me. Nor does the rock in the background. Can you say photoshop? For real proof, we need photos of this route from a wider angle showing the formation in detail with the sourrounding background; ground, far distance, etc...
Wow, I want your job... sounds like you have more time on your hands than me.... AND I WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT!!!
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