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azrockclimber
May 17, 2006, 1:52 PM
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My girlfriend made me get her a cat.... I wish it was as huge and tough looking as the rest of these cats....ours just isn't very cool...
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skinner
May 17, 2006, 3:21 PM
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Try talking to the owners? Why should I spend my day at the crag chasing dogs and "irresponsible" owners around? When all I want to do is climb and not have to worry about someones dog pissing on my pack (which happened).
Last summer I was taking a group of kids climbing, and while walking along the trail at the base of the crag, a large dog bolted through the trees barking and snapping at the kids who hid behind me. I stood my ground and was subsequently bit in the elbow. He bit so hard that I could not climb that day at all, and my elbow hurt for a week. Yes I tried to approach the owner, but the dog wouldn't let me any where near him. I yelled at him through the trees, informing him that his dog had just bit me. I really didn't like the idea of his dog being loose while I had a group of kids with me.
He nonchalantly informed me that the dog was just protecting it's puppies. He had brought the whole f*$king litter with him! I chose to leave and go somewhere else, which cut the kids day of climbing in half.
Believe it or not, I don't hate dogs and have had dogs myself that I took climbing with me. Responsible owners who leash their pets and clean up after them, really don't bother me at all, but I find those owners to be the exception rather then the norm. Most of the owners I run into feel that there dog need to be running "free" rather then leashed or chained up.
But as far as blaming someone for not dealing directly with the owner(s).
BS.. why should they have to? As far as I am concerned, if dog owners/lovers want to continue taking their pets to the crag, they.. as dog owners should be dealing with the irresponsible owners as well. Or soon enough the bans will be in place, and trust me it only takes a few incidents and crag-by-crag, the bans will come, and rover will be allowed at the crag no more. (And the *dogs at the crag* threads will be no more as well)
For those curious.. it was Wasootsch Slabs, a German Shepard, and a dude who looks like Sean Penn & drives an old brown Ford F250 4x4 crew-cab with a bumper sticker that says, "Eat beef ya Bastard.. You're in Cattle Country". The reason I took note of all these details was that I stopped at the information center on my way out and reported the incident to a Park employee that informed me while unfortunate.. there was little they could do about it as they just didn't have the manpower to even send someone out.
Hopefully with my description, you can avoid this moron and possibly getting bit.
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james_climber
May 17, 2006, 3:43 PM
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thats cool
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redpoint73
May 17, 2006, 3:44 PM
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A dog at the crag pissed on my partners rope last season. Now for the uninformed, urine is one of the few substances that is actually harmful to ropes (unlike DEET, gasoline, and other things that people are paranoid about). Of course, the dog owners were too noob to realize the damage they had done. Once we informed them, they apologized, but that is about it. If I were in their position, I would have bought the guy a case of beer AT LEAST. We rinsed the rope as best we could with our water bottles, and climbed on the other end for the rest of the day. Luckily, a friend of ours has a front-loading washer, so that friend took the rope and washed it thoroughly.
Every dog owner thinks their dog is well behaved, and they are ALL WRONG. I love animals, but even the best dog is going to get into other people's packs and gear. And as well trained as your dog may be, it still has to pee.
Now I realize that your pet is a part of your family, and you want to spend time with it, and think that you did a great job of training it. Unfortunately, a dog is only as smart as a child, and even the best trained children will misbehave from time to time.
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acacongua
May 17, 2006, 3:58 PM
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That guy should buy you a new rope. A friend's dog chewed up my harness that I had bought new two months prior. They did the right thing and bought a new one for me.
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skinner
May 17, 2006, 5:05 PM
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I had forgotten about the balaclava that got eaten in a friends car by his stupid dog that he *insisted* on bringing with us. We're talking the IQ of an earthworm.. tops, one of the stupidest dogs I have ever met in my life. He promised to buy me a new one, but it never materialized.
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pastprime
May 17, 2006, 6:10 PM
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You might try using pepper spray. It does no lasting harm, but would probably keep Fido-From-Hell from bothering you again.
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cliffwoman
May 17, 2006, 7:40 PM
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pepper spray does no harm?? since when?? I've definately read about both people and animals who have been blinded by the stuff... dumb solution, you'd be overreacting.
I feel like this is just as much an administrative problem as personal -- if the parks get enough complaints about dogs they'll do something about it.
Dogs are amazing companions, and though they can be a nuisance sometimes at sites, they in no way warrant such a negative reputation. My dog has a great time at crags; its a great way for us to bond, and she DOESNT BOTHER ANYONE. Take it on a case-by-case basis.
And you never know, someday a dog might just help save your life.
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kodiakclimber
May 17, 2006, 7:44 PM
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Hmmmm, dogs as annoying as smoking. I could see that. But how about all those other things that are annoying? You know those climbers that show up acting like god's gift to the world? I can't stand them! Can they go? May I also be an intolerant SOB? If you hate everyone so much, try going to a crag where no one will bother you. Personally, I avoid certain climbing areas just because of some of the people - who I find more annoying than the most badly behaved dog.
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bluering
May 17, 2006, 7:47 PM
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WTF????
Those look like little monkeys! :shock:
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secretagent
May 17, 2006, 8:33 PM
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I have 4 dogs I would like to say,
I agree that you need to control your dogs as well as I know how hard it is to go for an all day climb while leaving your dog at home (they need water,and bathroom breaks).
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carpediem
May 17, 2006, 8:46 PM
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I would agree with the issue of dogs pissing in your pack, but get over it, wash your pack and move on... I have a dog and she comes with me everywhere I go outside, beach, climbing mnt bike, and she has never had issues with others.
Its climbing outside, not climbing in your backyard so you have to see that they are just as entitled to be there as you. Take it up with the owner if the dog is going nuts.
PS my dog never gets bored climbing... she tends to climb problems harder than you could probably send.
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tradmanclimbs
May 17, 2006, 9:27 PM
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Nobody likes your dog as much as you do, period!!! that is the diference between dog lovers and cat people. cat people assume that everyone hates their cat. Dog people assume that everyone loves their mangy, scabby, slobering, barking, hairball ass licking turd machine. As for being inconvienced by haveing to deal with where you can and can't bring you dog and what to do with your dog when you can't bring it with you. You should have thought of that before you bought the freaking thing 8^)
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sandstoned
May 17, 2006, 10:18 PM
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I will bring my dog to the crag if I want to, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. (except cry some more)
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docontherock
May 17, 2006, 10:47 PM
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Hey! Hey! HEY! This is a family site......
Please stop posting pictures of your pussies.....
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treez
May 17, 2006, 10:50 PM
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In reply to: Nobody likes your dog as much as you do period!!! that is the diference between dog lovers and cat people. cat people assume that everyone hates their cat. Dog people assume that everyone loves their mangy, scabby, slobering, barking, hairball ass licking turd machine. As for being inconvienced by haveing to deal with where you can and can't bring you dog and what to do with your dog when you can't bring it with you. You should have thought of that before you bought the freaking thing 8^)
Sweeping generalizations make you look like a braindead a$$hole.
I hardly ever feel compelled to throw out turds, so thanks!
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tradmanclimbs
May 17, 2006, 11:03 PM
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what is it about that statement that is not true?? Does anyone like your dog as much as you do other than your kids or other members of your and the dogs imediate family? most people don't hate your dog but they do not like your dog as much as you do. Everyone knows that there are a lot of cat haters out there so most cat people don't expect people to like their cats. We also don't bring our cats with us everywhere we go. the mangy mut hairball part at the end of the post was just an attempt at crude RC.com humor. Your taking ofense at that rant shows a skin that may be a bit too thin for the internet :lol:
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petsfed
May 17, 2006, 11:25 PM
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I hate dogs when I'm climbing, but I have three concepts that more dog owners should consider:
1) cryptogamic soil. If you've never dealt with it, you won't understand why dogs at desert crags are a bad idea.
2) harassing wildlife. Maybe I just climb in too many areas that have cows around, but every cowboy I ever met has told me that if the dog chases, barks, looks at, one of his cattle, he'll shoot it. I don't need to mention what happens when your dog starts harassing big horn sheep, or deer, or elk, do I? I'm certain the division of wildlife will inform you though
3) the well being of your pet. It can't be repeated enough that when you bail on the pooch, leave it unattended, it might not be getting enough water, shade, or attention. Every dog, no matter how well behaved, starts to get a little bit wild if its not getting the things it needs. Dehydration, heat exhaustion, boredom, these are bad for your dog.
I say all this having owned dogs and lived with dogs since birth. I've had some really nice ones, and some less than well behaved ones. If the dog is not on a leash that is in my hand, I will not vouch for its "good behavior". In fact, even when I have the dog on a leash, unless he's at my leg and my hand is around his collar, I won't vouch for his good behavior. I've had the best trained dog I've ever seen (and several unbiased witnesses can attest to that) get spooked and almost break my arm before, what the hell makes you think I'll trust you and your "well trained" dog? Leave them at home, PLEASE.
As an aside, if you're gonna use pepper spray, be sure of your target and watch our for collateral damage. My mother was maced once, while holding her small dog in her arms, like you would hold a baby you were burping it. The mailman was a bit skiddish you see. You can press charges against someone if their dog attacks you, but they can press charges against you if you mace them accidentally.
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treez
May 17, 2006, 11:38 PM
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I'm not offended or looking for a battle. Maybe I over-reacted a little.
So you're saying you didn't make any sweeping generalizations about "dog people" vs. "cat people"?
Like I implied above, I don't really care, I was just amused by my urge to give you a turd, cause that never happens.
I'm sure we have a common disgust with bad pet owners of all kinds.
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weschrist
May 18, 2006, 12:25 AM
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You make a very interesting point (I am talking to the OP because I haven't read the rest of the dribble that I am sure fills the rest of the pages).
I know exactly how you feel because, quite frankly, I hate you and think you should be left home too.
Seriously, if you are too fucking wound up to deal with other people (and their dogs) then stay the fuck home or go to the gym.
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sbaclimber
May 18, 2006, 12:28 AM
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In reply to: if you are too fucking wound up to deal with other people....go to the gym |
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tradmanclimbs
May 18, 2006, 1:33 AM
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Treez, Nowhers in this post have I ever said that i hate dog owners, i don't like the title of the post. I have however responded to several of the arguments in the post. yes I did make some generalazitions about dog and cat owners. Both of which are in fact accurate. just because something is politicaly incorrect does not mean that it does not have a large percentage of truth to it. A simple fact that you need to realize as a dog owner is that nobody likes your dog as much as you do. Just like with kids. You may think that your baby made a cute little mess in his diaper, just about everyone else will be on the verge of projectile vomiting if they have to clean up that mess. Its allways a whole lot more disgusting if it aint yours. that goes with dogs , cats and kids. If your dog sniffs my crotch and then licks and slobbers all over my face I will fend off poochies love attack as gently as possible and politly tell you that its fine and your dog is cute and all that other crap that polite people do when they dont want conflict or when they think that the lady with the dog has a nice ass. You will then assume that I love your dog. NOT TRUE! I am tolerateing your dog and being polite.
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weschrist
May 18, 2006, 1:40 AM
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In reply to: yeah, that sounds like a great idea :lol: 8^)
Allow me to re-phrase that:
if you are too fucking wound up to 1) deal with other people or 2) deal with their dogs, then 1) stay the fuck home or 2) go to the gym.
(btw, most people I see at the gym don't know how to deal with people, despite being surrounded by them.)
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treez
May 18, 2006, 2:08 AM
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Tradman - I took your post that I quoted as saying that somehow cat owners are ALL responsible while ALL dog owners are inconsiderate. I took offense because I am a considerate dog owner and I know several inconsiderate cat owners.
You are fully entitled to your opinion. Have a nice day. From all of us.
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