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rtwilli4 wrote: Do you wear special clothes to climb? I mean the really expensive clothes that make you climb better.
rtwilli4 wrote: So... what do you wear when the weather is good??
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k.l.k
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None of us deserved that.
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rtwilli4
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chadnsc wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: raingod wrote: Forget gas to get to the crag, or SUVs on the I5, Flights to and from Thailand, London and the States have their own class of environmental impact... three flights a year... i think i offset that by not driving for 9 months out of the year. Three round trip flights from say New York to London vs. not driving for nine months (say 8,720 miles) . . .nope they don't offset each other.
No... three flights, as is THREE FLIGHTS... not round trips. I don't really know, but I don't think that driving 2000 miles (I have been in the states since May 15 and put less than 2000 miles on my car) and taking three international flights is worse than driving 13,000 miles (average for an American).
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sungam
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stymingersfink wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: Do you wear special clothes to climb? I mean the really expensive clothes that make you climb better. not always. rtwilli4 wrote: So... what do you wear when the weather is good?? Um... gloves and boots?
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sungam
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rtwilli4 wrote: chadnsc wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: raingod wrote: Forget gas to get to the crag, or SUVs on the I5, Flights to and from Thailand, London and the States have their own class of environmental impact... three flights a year... i think i offset that by not driving for 9 months out of the year. Three round trip flights from say New York to London vs. not driving for nine months (say 8,720 miles) . . .nope they don't offset each other. No... three flights, as is THREE FLIGHTS... not round trips. I don't really know, but I don't think that driving 2000 miles (I have been in the states since May 15 and put less than 2000 miles on my car) and taking three international flights is worse than driving 13,000 miles (average for an American).
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Lazlo
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I heard in the campground that you got banned...
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chadnsc
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sungam wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: chadnsc wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: raingod wrote: Forget gas to get to the crag, or SUVs on the I5, Flights to and from Thailand, London and the States have their own class of environmental impact... three flights a year... i think i offset that by not driving for 9 months out of the year. Three round trip flights from say New York to London vs. not driving for nine months (say 8,720 miles) . . .nope they don't offset each other. No... three flights, as is THREE FLIGHTS... not round trips. I don't really know, but I don't think that driving 2000 miles (I have been in the states since May 15 and put less than 2000 miles on my car) and taking three international flights is worse than driving 13,000 miles (average for an American). Sorry, still no.
Yup, what Sug said.
Nine month of driving: 8,750 miles (assuming a yearly average of 11,000 miles)
Three trips to London from New York: 10,380 miles
Driving 8,750 miles = 365 gal. of gas (assuming a 24 mpg average)
Flying three times from New York to London = 66,000 gal. of gas (assuming using a Boeing 777)
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dingus
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chadnsc wrote: sungam wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: chadnsc wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: raingod wrote: Forget gas to get to the crag, or SUVs on the I5, Flights to and from Thailand, London and the States have their own class of environmental impact... three flights a year... i think i offset that by not driving for 9 months out of the year. Three round trip flights from say New York to London vs. not driving for nine months (say 8,720 miles) . . .nope they don't offset each other. No... three flights, as is THREE FLIGHTS... not round trips. I don't really know, but I don't think that driving 2000 miles (I have been in the states since May 15 and put less than 2000 miles on my car) and taking three international flights is worse than driving 13,000 miles (average for an American). Sorry, still no. Yup, what Sug said. Nine month of driving: 8,750 miles (assuming a yearly average of 11,000 miles) Three trips to London from New York: 10,380 miles Driving 8,750 miles = 365 gal. of gas (assuming a 24 mpg average) Flying three times from New York to London = 66,000 gal. of gas (assuming using a Boeing 777)
Divide by number of passengers.... let's say 400 = 165 gals of jet fuel.
DMT
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granite_grrl
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dingus wrote: chadnsc wrote: sungam wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: chadnsc wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: raingod wrote: Forget gas to get to the crag, or SUVs on the I5, Flights to and from Thailand, London and the States have their own class of environmental impact... three flights a year... i think i offset that by not driving for 9 months out of the year. Three round trip flights from say New York to London vs. not driving for nine months (say 8,720 miles) . . .nope they don't offset each other. No... three flights, as is THREE FLIGHTS... not round trips. I don't really know, but I don't think that driving 2000 miles (I have been in the states since May 15 and put less than 2000 miles on my car) and taking three international flights is worse than driving 13,000 miles (average for an American). Sorry, still no. Yup, what Sug said. Nine month of driving: 8,750 miles (assuming a yearly average of 11,000 miles) Three trips to London from New York: 10,380 miles Driving 8,750 miles = 365 gal. of gas (assuming a 24 mpg average) Flying three times from New York to London = 66,000 gal. of gas (assuming using a Boeing 777) Divide by number of passengers.... let's say 400 = 165 gals of jet fuel. DMT
We could go on like this for days!!!!
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sungam
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Lazlo wrote: I heard in the campground that you got banned...
If we are going to take on all factors...
didn't he say he drove a little? and the flights were thailand->london->ny.
I'm still winning, though.
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rtwilli4
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sungam wrote: If we are going to take on all factors... didn't he say he drove a little? and the flights were thailand->london->ny. I'm still winning, though.
Hey someone got it right... I fly from NY to Bangkok to London... sometimes I come back to the states, sometimes I don't.
The way I see it, those flights are gonna happen whether I'm on them or not. That is not the case with my driving habits.
If we are really getting technical here... I don't use much electricity in Thailand (5 or 6 months per year), and don't create nearly as much trash as I would here. I don't consume anything there other than fresh food. I could go on....
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granite_grrl wrote: We could go on like this for days!!!!
Not with our clothes on we couldn't.
DMT
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I'll bite. I do own, and climb in, clothes that could be considered "climbing clothes". The impetus for my decision to buy the clothes has as much do to with how I choose to spend my money as it does aesthetics. I would rather spend the money for organic cotton or some recycled wicking product than I would for traditional cotton products manufactured in a sweat shop. I would also rather support local gear shops than big box chains or online distributors. Kind of like my food choices. Local and organic is most desirable, then local foods, then the organic stuff shipped in from Cali. The way I see it how I spend my money has as big an effect on my ability to see change within our country as how I vote. |
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kranney wrote: I'll bite. I do own, and climb in, clothes that could be considered "climbing clothes". The impetus for my decision to buy the clothes has as much do to with how I choose to spend my money as it does aesthetics. I would rather spend the money for organic cotton or some recycled wicking product than I would for traditional cotton products manufactured in a sweat shop. I would also rather support local gear shops than big box chains or online distributors. Kind of like my food choices. Local and organic is most desirable, then local foods, then the organic stuff shipped in from Cali. The way I see it how I spend my money has as big an effect on my ability to see change within our country as how I vote. You might want to start reading the back of those (orgainic) food bags. You might not like what you see. Very few are from the USA and most other places have no laws to make sure they are what they say. ( just say'n )
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haha, madhatter, just saw your sig.
He's right though, you may be suprised as to what "organic" really means.
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Maddhatter wrote: sungam wrote: I've still never been quoted in a sig, but maybe that's cuz I don't really post anything worth noticing. (happy now?)
I think the quote stands well by itself. It's the self-proclaimation that does it for me.
Not be'n mean. Just saying it's funnier that way.
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Lazlo wrote: Maddhatter wrote: sungam wrote: I've still never been quoted in a sig, but maybe that's cuz I don't really post anything worth noticing. (happy now?) I think the quote stands well by itself. It's the self-proclaimation that does it for me. Not be'n mean. Just saying it's funnier that way.
It was in no way ment as an insult. Just thought it was a funny thing to quote! lol
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BTW, mad, if you close the quote box he opened up, or just delete it, you post won't be all cheesetitted like it is.
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I do read the labels on every food product I buy. Like I said in my initial post local and organic is the most desirable to me, then local, then organic. So i read labels and try to make the best decisions accordingly. I'm not saying I wont eat things that aren't local, organic or any combination there of. The majority of the produce I buy comes from my local farmers market, at least when its in season, but I am guilty of buying avocados from Chile and bananas from costa rica on occasion. I think my point was that I try to be mindful and aware of where my money is being spent.
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kranney wrote: I do read the labels on every food product I buy. Like I said in my initial post local and organic is the most desirable to me, then local, then organic. So i read labels and try to make the best decisions accordingly. I'm not saying I wont eat things that aren't local, organic or any combination there of. The majority of the produce I buy comes from my local farmers market, at least when its in season, but I am guilty of buying avocados from Chile and bananas from costa rica on occasion. I think my point was that I try to be mindful and aware of where my money is being spent.
Right on. As it should be. Most people never even look at the back of the bags to see there from china! lol
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on the other end, when I can afford it, my main target is fair trade stuff from abroad.
And yes, I know even then the situation is not ideal.
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For such a "rebel", it sure didn't take you very long to backtrack.
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Maddhatter wrote: kranney wrote: I do read the labels on every food product I buy. Like I said in my initial post local and organic is the most desirable to me, then local, then organic. So i read labels and try to make the best decisions accordingly. Right on. As it should be. Most people never even look at the back of the bags to see there from china! lol
You can thank democrats for those labels. Republicans fought and continue to fight local, state and national labelling regulations. Most recently they have fought to protect McDonald's ability to sell 1000 calorie milkshakes to unsuspecting customers.
Read the label... and thank a democrat.
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PTFTW
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