What about the guy who goes out of his way to wear rags and wax about The Life so he can pass himself off as a Stone Monkey subbie? There are a LOT of those guys too.

I'm not saying you're one of them (I suspect you'd deny it anyway), but they're out there. They're slightly more annoying than the weekend warriors, who are at least clean.

Actually, I'd put my money (what's left of it, after buying techy pants) on them thinking you think you're too kool for skool.

So do I. My daddy paid for my degree (we should all be so lucky. I know I am.) but I use it. Every two weeks, I get enought scratch to buy a few nice things that I want. Sometimes it's a meal out. Sometimes it's a movie ticket. Sometimes it's a loud pink North Face techy top to wear to the gym.

And it's not to look like a climber. I do that when I climb. It's because I like cute pink tops.

If I were more into mountaineering or big walls I would probably go for more high tech clothing, but for the cragging that I love I'll stick to my handme down good will/thrift store clothes. I guess my cajones aren't too big cuz I never have the issue with them being pinched by my pants (and I don't free solo often, and never above 5.9), so I don't see "high tech" crag wear as a necessity, or even better than what I already wear.

I climbed last week end in blue jeans and a T-shirt!!

Does that make me a bad person?

Were they designer jeans? Acid-washed, maybe?

because when posers start buying up clothes, it causes new, shitty companies to start making clothes just for posers. Look at snowboarding 20 years ago compared to now. Most of the companies now are no more environmentally conscious than BP Amaco. Prana, Patagonia, etc... those companies are responsible. Just wait and see what the next wave of "climbing companies" turns into.

Suck it up, cupcake, and pull yr swami out of the closet. Better yet, tie in with a boac.

Nothing screams yuppie gymbo eurotrash poseur worse than a harness.

you know rtwilli, I would take you more seriously if you weren't so name-calley. I happen to agree with what your saying just not with your approach. I believe that one of the biggest differences we can make is by what we consume. If we demand more from the companies we buy from, they would have no choice but to provide it for us. The problem is that most people either dont' realize it or don't care.

Josh

The last 3 or 4 posts that I've started have been nothing but rtwilli bashing, and I've realized that maybe I should pay more attention to diction.

No, you should stop posting hypocritical crybaby rants and then backpedaling when you get called out on your douchebagerry.

fair... but not much fun

Well, rtwilli, since you're explaining yourself in a more intelligent (and slightly self-effacing) way, I'll try to do the same.

Folks regularly start threads pissing and moaning about "yuppies" in "poser" clothes, or fat dudes who use real carabiners as keyrings, or preppy girls who wear pink North Face fleeces to class. The tone is almost always an insecure, snivveling droning. Some people's diaper rash just really flares up when they perceive that some "outsider" is hovering around their supposedly exclusive (and most likely new) subculture. These also tend to be the same people who spray about the dirtbag life, because they think it's hardcore, and they want nothing more than to seem hardcore. They really appear to need validation and an identity.

Yet a lot of people think those people are needy douchebag tools. I think people associate/d you with that group (I admit that I did), hence the responses you got.

Now, as to your given reasons for being anti-trendy-clothes-establishment, well, those are your reasons. I don't share them and probably never will, but they are, at least, more respectable than "OMFG! How dare that Kappa Sig take a Nalgene to his Ultimate Frisbee game! He's not kore like me!"

Like many climbers, I drink the haterade too, for lots of silly reasons. But some guy just wearing a rad wicking Prana top doesn't bother me.

I WORK in Thailand bro. I make just enough money to pay for my plane ticket. Then I go work for cash in London to be with my girlfriend and barely pay for that plane ticket. Then I come to the states and do landscaping and barely make enough money to climb a bit while I'm here.

Yea... my parents took my family on a cruise but that's their money, not mine. I only went because it was the last family vacation I'll ever have with them. I have a college degree that I (notice how I said I) paid for. I'm not in any debt, and could get a good job whenever I want. Fact is, I don't want to live in this plastic country full of clones and pay taxes to a government that only cares about taking care of their friends and tries to pass it off as being the leader of the free world.

Say what you want, but I'm not vacationing... I'm opting out of this fake existence that so many americans blindly fall into. In three years I'll have citizenship in the UK AND the Philippines and living in paradise while most of the people on this site will be working 9 to 5 so they can look cool in their name brands that they got on sale.

Forget gas to get to the crag, or SUVs on the I5, Flights to and from Thailand, London and the States have their own class of environmental impact...

you know rtwilli, I would take you more seriously if you weren't so name-calley. I happen to agree with what your saying just not with your approach. I believe that one of the biggest differences we can make is by what we consume. If we demand more from the companies we buy from, they would have no choice but to provide it for us. The problem is that most people either dont' realize it or don't care.

Josh

three flights a year... i think i offset that by not driving for 9 months out of the year.