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rtwilli4
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I can't help but notice that there is also a conversation about someones balls going on. Maybe we should all just focus on that :)
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rtwilli4
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wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb?
because when posers start buying up clothes, it causes new, shitty companies to start making clothes just for posers. Look at snowboarding 20 years ago compared to now. Most of the companies now are no more environmentally conscious than BP Amaco. Prana, Patagonia, etc... those companies are responsible. Just wait and see what the next wave of "climbing companies" turns into.
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jeremyash
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ckirkwood9 wrote: Try it once... you'll feel the difference. Will you suddenly climb a 5.12, of course not ... BUT you WILL be damn comfortable when you try!
I will have to agree with you on this note. I used to run in what ever i woke up in (to include drunkenly in the clothes i blacked out in the night before) until i got a deal on a synthetic athletic shirt. ever since i have run in nothing but that. once i tried to run in cotton and it just didn't work. i felt like i was being suffocated.
I haven't tried this approach to climbing. most of the outside stuff i have done has been bouldering in the summer so a nice pair of board shorts has worked just fine. Once i move some where with some "real" cliffs though i think something with a gusetted crotch will be of great value
So its not about names for me, but definitely about function.
-Jeremy
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wonderwoman
Sep 9, 2008, 7:19 PM
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rtwilli4 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb? because when posers start buying up clothes, it causes new, shitty companies to start making clothes just for posers. Look at snowboarding 20 years ago compared to now. Most of the companies now are no more environmentally conscious than BP Amaco. Prana, Patagonia, etc... those companies are responsible. Just wait and see what the next wave of "climbing companies" turns into.
Before NAFTA, consumers had more choice and it was easier to buy 'Made in the USA', which I intentionally sought out due to my concerns for fair trade, the environment and labor regulations. This used to be Prana, and a lot of times is still Gramicci. It's not so easy to find this tag anymore, you have to admit.
I don't look down my nose at people who wear name brand, because I assume they just aren't thinking of those things when they are making a purchase. I do, however, talk openly about why I won't buy certain brands and my concerns about child labor and companies that are moving overseas where there aren't labor / environmental regulations. One way is to be judgmental, the other is to engage people in conversations that make them think.
For myself? Work and home clothes are mostly hand made or second hand. Climbing clothes are what's on sale and "Made in the USA" where possible. I like to support our economy, but in the free trade world, it's not always possible.
By the way, stuff made in Thailand isn't necessarily sweatshop free.
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Maddhatter
Sep 9, 2008, 7:24 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: I can't help but think of 'Into the Wild'. Only I hope there's a happier ending! I never said i was going to go live by myself and I certainly won't go burning my money. But I think the guy made some good points. Did you read the book? A long, long time ago... And, rtwilli4 wrote: My point was that I don't like seeing people buy them just to look like a climber and I think we can all agree with that. Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb?
On a side note here.
You really do have some cool Jewelry!!
When I have a few extra bucks you will he hearing from me. I think my wife will dig it!
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wonderwoman
Sep 9, 2008, 7:29 PM
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Maddhatter wrote: wonderwoman wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: I can't help but think of 'Into the Wild'. Only I hope there's a happier ending! I never said i was going to go live by myself and I certainly won't go burning my money. But I think the guy made some good points. Did you read the book? A long, long time ago... And, rtwilli4 wrote: My point was that I don't like seeing people buy them just to look like a climber and I think we can all agree with that. Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb? On a side note here. You really do have some cool Jewelry!! When I have a few extra bucks you will he hearing from me. I think my wife will dig it!
Well, thank you very much! They were made in a sweatshop of my very own! 
I actually just made a necklace made out of BD aid nuts. It's not up there yet, but it's pretty cool!
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macherry
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happiegrrrl wrote: I boycott Walmart and their type for nearly all purchases.(I have bought propane, styro coolers/ice and a cheap pillow for destinations I flew to); the pillow is, by tradition, passed on to someone staying at the camp area when I leave, as are any other items that can't get back on the plane, like the fuel and foods that cannot travel). So - even though my income is probably a lot less that many people who shop those stores, I won't use their goods for ethical reasons(I have seen how they come to their retail prices and it is predatory). I can't really afford Prana/North Face/Patagonia, etc. at whim, but I do prefer to have pants that are cut for the flexibility, and so they are my choice when I do purchase. Of course, all those brands sell styles that don't offer that flexibility, and I don't buy those styles. I haven't really been in a clothing store other that the outdoor gear stores in....a few years. Even though I live in the retail mecca of the US, I just cannot stand the energy in most stores. So....those venues are out. Thrift shops - I ain't into the time spent sifting through the thrift. It's very similar to the energy of any retail store, for me, and therefore distasteful. I prefer to spend my time elsewhere(like pecking away at internet boards.....oy veh). Clothes purchasing is sort of done as needed, not as a fix. I actually need a few new items soon, but I don't know if I can spring the cash for them. We'll see. p.s - I like Prana capris on guys. The looseness at the hips, and then the bare lower legs,,,,Show off those sexy calf muscles men!
so you don't do wally world and the like, or outdoor stores, or thrift shops, good god woman,,,,,,,,,,,there's no where left to shop.
fwiw: i'm the thrift store queen: 2 pairs of almost new carhartts this summer 10 bucks
i also get some freebies from work: lots of merino wool tops!!!
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patmay81
Sep 9, 2008, 7:44 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb?
wait that should be in all caps for emphasis:
AND WW PULLS THROUGH AGAIN WITH THE PRECISE ANSWER TO THE ENTIRE THREAD!!!
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wonderwoman
Sep 9, 2008, 7:45 PM
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patmay81 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb? and WW pulls through again with the precise answer to the entire thread!!! wait that should be in all caps for emphasis: AND WW PULLS THROUGH AGAIN WITH THE PRECISE ANSWER TO THE ENTIRE THREAD!!!
Do I get pancakes?
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climbsomething
Sep 9, 2008, 7:46 PM
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rtwilli4 wrote: You know, I'm not trying to say that there is anything wrong with having money, and/or choosing to spend it on nice clothes. I was simply commenting on the guy who we ALL know who busts his ass just to look the part. It's just not what this sport is about. At least it's not what this sport used to be about.
I'm not saying you're one of them (I suspect you'd deny it anyway), but they're out there. They're slightly more annoying than the weekend warriors, who are at least clean.
In reply to: I get pissed sometimes and say/write dumb stuff but I think most of the people on here knew what my original post was getting at and decided to give me shit anyways, even if they understood what I was talking about.
In reply to: No, I don't buy the cheapest gear possible. I work to get what I want...
And it's not to look like a climber. I do that when I climb. It's because I like cute pink tops.
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patmay81
Sep 9, 2008, 7:55 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: patmay81 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb? and WW pulls through again with the precise answer to the entire thread!!! wait that should be in all caps for emphasis: AND WW PULLS THROUGH AGAIN WITH THE PRECISE ANSWER TO THE ENTIRE THREAD!!! Do I get pancakes?
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granite_grrl
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rtwilli4 wrote: Just wait and see what the next wave of "climbing companies" turns into.
BTW - I like wearing a lot of climbing clothes 'cause they make me feel pretty :).
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rtwilli4
Sep 9, 2008, 8:44 PM
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granite_grrl wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: Just wait and see what the next wave of "climbing companies" turns into. Why does it matter to you? You don't buy from them anyway! BTW - I like wearing a lot of climbing clothes 'cause they make me feel pretty :).
It matters to me because the more companies that are around to sell clothes to posers, the less responsible the industry as a whole will be. You think Converse All-Stars were made by people who were getting paid a dollar a day? NOPE. Fast forward.... Nike's? YUP
I like to think that climbing is associated with having fun, staying in shape, taking care of the environment, and doing it all with out adding to the human rights violations around the world.
BTW, There are just as many, if not more, human rights violations in the usa as there are in Thailand so whoever it was that brought that up, please do a little research.
(This post was edited by rtwilli4 on Sep 9, 2008, 8:47 PM)
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wonderwoman
Sep 9, 2008, 8:47 PM
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I stopped listening when you called me a poser.
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rtwilli4
Sep 9, 2008, 8:49 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: I stopped listening when you called me a poser.
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patmay81 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: patmay81 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb? and WW pulls through again with the precise answer to the entire thread!!! wait that should be in all caps for emphasis: AND WW PULLS THROUGH AGAIN WITH THE PRECISE ANSWER TO THE ENTIRE THREAD!!! Do I get pancakes? Abso-freaking-lutely!
You know, sometimes you have to treat yourself. I had a stack of three blueberry pancakes this weekend.
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wonderwoman
Sep 9, 2008, 8:52 PM
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markc wrote: patmay81 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: patmay81 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb? and WW pulls through again with the precise answer to the entire thread!!! wait that should be in all caps for emphasis: AND WW PULLS THROUGH AGAIN WITH THE PRECISE ANSWER TO THE ENTIRE THREAD!!! Do I get pancakes? Abso-freaking-lutely! You know, sometimes you have to treat yourself. I had a stack of three blueberry pancakes this weekend.
I could go for some banana pancakes right about now...
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Sep 9, 2008, 8:58 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: markc wrote: patmay81 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: patmay81 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb? and WW pulls through again with the precise answer to the entire thread!!! wait that should be in all caps for emphasis: AND WW PULLS THROUGH AGAIN WITH THE PRECISE ANSWER TO THE ENTIRE THREAD!!! Do I get pancakes? Abso-freaking-lutely! You know, sometimes you have to treat yourself. I had a stack of three blueberry pancakes this weekend. I could go for some banana pancakes right about now...
Blaeberries or choc chip 
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patmay81
Sep 9, 2008, 9:04 PM
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sungam wrote: wonderwoman wrote: markc wrote: patmay81 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: patmay81 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Why do you care what other people wear? Why not just climb? and WW pulls through again with the precise answer to the entire thread!!! wait that should be in all caps for emphasis: AND WW PULLS THROUGH AGAIN WITH THE PRECISE ANSWER TO THE ENTIRE THREAD!!! Do I get pancakes? Abso-freaking-lutely! You know, sometimes you have to treat yourself. I had a stack of three blueberry pancakes this weekend. I could go for some banana pancakes right about now... This was going perfectly till you pulled nanards into it. Blaeberries or choc chip
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sungam
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no doubt. But Banana pankakes r knot.
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rtwilli4 wrote: asiaclimber wrote: i wear Prana clothes because i like the fact that most of the stuff is organic cotton poly blend, it's comfortable and cut well for climbing, i like the way it looks and because i can buy last years designs for the price of regular clothing. i also don't own any clothes i don't climb in. i like that answer
I WARE IT CUZ ITS MADE FROM RECYCLED WIND POWER GENERATED COTTON GREEN.
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quiteatingmysteak
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brownie710 wrote: nope. i'd rather spend my cash on cams and ropes i wear whatever, cotton, synth, i rarely do backcountry climbing so the car is usually 30 minutes away at most. i'm married so i don't need to impress the ladies 
You're married because you can't impress the ladies.
 I kid.
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dingus wrote: A wee bit defensive? DMT
i'm pretty sure no... informed is probably a better word. :)
and just trying to pass on info to people who are holdouts like I was. I was a hard head about this too - wasn't going to buy the latest/greatest just because it was the poser brand. However when I discovered that I could get the latest/greatest (minus ONE season) at rei/ems/etc... i gave it a shot and realized the beauty of quality gear... and the stupidity of stubbornness.
just let it go.. be comfortable, be happy and just climb. Stop with the silly pride and worrying about what others think.... just use what works for you... but also realize that maybe you aren't aware of options that are better.
in my post with the EMS links - i was making a point - that you CAN get the expensive tech gear at junk-gear prices. BUT If a person refuses to buy a product that's functional/comforatble/durable for smilar cost (on sale) as an inferior product JUST BECAUSE IT'S OF A PARTICULAR "POSER" BRAND... that's just retarted. AND is ironically what the OP is accusing the posers of doing... beind aware of what others think of them.
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patmay81
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ckirkwood9 wrote: just let it go.. be comfortable, be happy and just climb. Stop with the silly pride and worrying about what others think.... just use what works for you... but also realize that maybe you aren't aware of options that are better.
If I were more into mountaineering or big walls I would probably go for more high tech clothing, but for the cragging that I love I'll stick to my handme down good will/thrift store clothes. I guess my cajones aren't too big cuz I never have the issue with them being pinched by my pants (and I don't free solo often, and never above 5.9), so I don't see "high tech" crag wear as a necessity, or even better than what I already wear.
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When I'm climbing, I like to hear the VOICE of the mountain, it guides my hands and feet inducing me into a balanced and elegant upwards dance.
Here's a trick I learnt from Aceto:
Sorry Acetoni, couldn't resist... :)
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