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dirtineye
May 22, 2006, 11:38 PM
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And yet there still is nothing of substance to back up this story.
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slablizard
May 22, 2006, 11:56 PM
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Hum...freaky.
It was not the Concord gym... I was there.
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usmc_2tothetop
May 23, 2006, 12:02 AM
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In reply to: Hum...freaky. It was not the Concord gym... I was there.
Hard to believe
Slablizard your sig is freakin funny as hell.
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slablizard
May 23, 2006, 12:52 AM
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what's hard to believe man? That I was there? Lol why?
I was at the Concord gym, sunday from 1 to 6, it didn't happen there. From the post I'm pretty sure it's a touchstone gym where they ask you to take a fall.
thanks, I found it ont the web, feel free to grab it.
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veganboyjosh
May 23, 2006, 1:08 AM
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In reply to: what's hard to believe man? That I was there? Lol why? I was at the Concord gym, sunday from 1 to 6, it didn't happen there.
In reply to: At approximately 1:15 pm, Saturday, May 20, 2006,
well, i suppose it coulda happened at that gym...
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davidji
May 23, 2006, 1:14 AM
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In the other thread, August West said it happened at Pipeworks (Touchstone's Sacramento gym).
I'm off to the Concord Touchstone gym later tonight, and I'll ask 'em about it.
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roy_hinkley_jr
May 23, 2006, 2:01 AM
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Hope the climber is okay. The laughable part is all the posers shouting "troll." The OP gave a good report that didn't place undue blame on the gym or the rope manufacturer. The mode of failure is entirely plausible and has happened many times before. A good reminder on the importance of storing ropes away from acid fumes.
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fjclimbsrocks
May 23, 2006, 2:10 AM
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The lack of information and interest in the leader's condition (among other things) makes me believe this is a total hoax.
And even if it isn't, all it would mean is that one unfortunate soul had a one in a million defective rope. As long as you're somewhat competent, you're still probably more likely to get killed in the car on the way to the crag.
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curt
May 23, 2006, 2:50 AM
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In reply to: Hope the climber is okay. The laughable part is all the posers shouting "troll." The OP gave a good report that didn't place undue blame on the gym or the rope manufacturer. The mode of failure is entirely plausible and has happened many times before. A good reminder on the importance of storing ropes away from acid fumes.
The OP said nothing about "acid fumes." Additionally, even if that does turn out to be the cause of failure in this case, that most certainly has not "happened many times before." Retard.
Curt
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kman
May 23, 2006, 2:55 AM
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This is pathetic. Did any one even read all of the posts in the ST forums? The gym name is there with many invitations to call the gym to confirm that this happened.
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May 23, 2006, 3:16 AM
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I like this line... uhm, exceedingly...
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dirtineye
May 23, 2006, 4:04 AM
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Golly gee MR Wilson, doesn't ANYONE think it's kind of strange that by now the GYM itself has not posted SOMETHING???
OR, OR, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, the GUY WHO FELL MIGHT POST?????
I mean, when Amber took that huge fall, SHE posted.
When Aliens fell apart people posted PICTURES and THEIR NAMES and EVERYTHING!
In fact, whenever something major has happened, it has not taken long for a few facts, facts that can be checked, to get to these forums.
UNTIL THIS.
Oh yeah, What Curt said.
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fear
May 23, 2006, 4:16 AM
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Well... now maybe if CCH made ropes too...... :shock: :shock: :shock:
doh!
-Fear
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dirtineye
May 23, 2006, 4:37 AM
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Well suddenly we have credibility-- the guy who fell apparently posted on ST and put up a pic of the rope.
It looks a lot like another pic I have seen of an acid damaged rope that failed.
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roy_hinkley_jr
May 23, 2006, 5:03 AM
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In reply to: Additionally, even if that does turn out to be the cause of failure in this case, that most certainly has not "happened many times before." Retard. Curt
Bzzzzt. Try again, next contestant.
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sbaclimber
May 23, 2006, 5:08 AM
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This guy isn't going to win any awards for his photography prowess, but if anyone wants to see the full sized photos, you can check his gallery
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May 23, 2006, 5:08 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Additionally, even if that does turn out to be the cause of failure in this case, that most certainly has not "happened many times before." Retard. Curt Bzzzzt. Try again, next contestant.
I'm trying very hard here to not attribute to malice something that can adequately be described by stupidity.
Curt
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kuan
May 23, 2006, 6:39 AM
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This was at Pipeworks, and it's not a hoax. I talked to the owner of the rope. The guy who fell is okay, but pretty shaken. It was his first time taking the lead test.
I asked the owner of the rope if the rope had perhaps been exposed to chemicals or extreme weather and he said no. It was stored inside in a dry place. He rinsed it once in a tub using water, but that's it. I asked if maybe a rodent chewed it, and he said that the rope looked fine. I also asked how old the rope was, and he said it was only 3 years old, and had taken maybe 4 or 5 falls. I asked what brand it was, and he said Black Diamond.
The really scary part is that the accident happened on Saturday. The day that I saw him, Sunday, the two of them were supposed to be in Owens climbing on the same rope! Good thing that fall happened inside a gym with padded floors and alert employees instead of in the Gorge on hard ground with a long hike out!
I've always wondered in the back of my mind about something like this happening. I've climbed at gyms where ropes are provided to lead climbers. Our gym has the policy that if you want to lead climb, you must provide your own rope. The reasoning is that if you are dedicated enough to have your own rope, you will be a more experienced and safe lead climber. However, I've seen people climbing on ropes of dubious reliability, and have always wondered why this wouldn't be somehow regulated by the gym, for insurance reasons alone. Belayers and climbers are required to pass a test before they are allowed to lead climb - should ropes also be inspected and tested? What are your opinions?
In the past, I've heard complaints about how strict the front desk can be about a lead belayer paying ABSOLUTE ATTENTION to their climber. Even with your eyes on your lead climber, you are not permitted to talk to anyone AT ALL! In general, I think this is a good rule to follow - especially for those who are not as experienced with lead belaying. The less you have to think about, and the more attention you have on your climber, the safer. But then something like this happens that nobody could have prevented or predicted!
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May 23, 2006, 7:04 AM
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What surprises me is that this does not happen more often. I have seen some pretty knarly looking lead ropes in the gym.
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dirtineye
May 23, 2006, 7:04 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Additionally, even if that does turn out to be the cause of failure in this case, that most certainly has not "happened many times before." Retard. Curt Bzzzzt. Try again, next contestant.
OK Roy, you're on.
Cite the numerous documented times that a climbing rope has parted because of acid.
Go ahead, I'm sure you know of many.
Really.
We are waiting Roy.
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adnix
May 23, 2006, 7:45 AM
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In reply to: Cite the numerous documented times that a climbing rope has parted because of acid.
http://www.uiaa.ch/article.aspx?c=231&a=147
Btw. there are good pictures of acid damage, too.
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May 23, 2006, 11:56 AM
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Does anyone find it ironic that the users of rockclimbing.com berated CCH for first assuming that the Alien failures were a hoax until they were provided with more facts? Now, when confronted with a rope failure scenario, everybody piles on the OP with the assumption that it's all a hoax, until given a little more evidence. Maybe we need to start a new site where all the users can flame the users of SuperTopo and RockClimbing.com for not taking things seriously :?
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dirtineye
May 23, 2006, 12:21 PM
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In reply to: Does anyone find it ironic that the users of rockclimbing.com berated CCH for first assuming that the Alien failures were a hoax until they were provided with more facts? Now, when confronted with a rope failure scenario, everybody piles on the OP with the assumption that it's all a hoax, until given a little more evidence. Maybe we need to start a new site where all the users can flame the users of SuperTopo and RockClimbing.com for not taking things seriously :?
Improper logic.
Try again.
Aww, OK, here, let me show you.
Among other differences, In the Alien debacle, CCH made the hoax claim. If you recall, this was not worded in the best way, and CCH appeared to deny any possibility of CCH wrongdoing whatsoever. In this current situation, Black Diamond would have to have made a similar hoax claim. Black Diamond did no such thing.
See the difference?
Now, as for taking things seriously, if YOU want to take the unsupported word of brand new posters with no facts, you go right ahead. There is a primrose path made specially for you, and it leads to hell. YOu may also find your pic in the dictionary under wide eyed, wet-behind-the-ears, and gullible.
Now that the FALLER and OWNER of the busted rope have posted, with a picture of the rope, the situation is credible. There are facts to deal with.
See how it works?
Bottom line is, if you want to be taken seriously, put up some facts that can be checked.
Now be good and go sit in the corner a while.
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