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jms
Oct 27, 2007, 8:17 PM
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jebus nathan!! I'm glad to hear you're ok...you guys definitely have horseshoes up your butts.. has this cured your ontario gear problem yet??
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tradrenn
Oct 27, 2007, 9:52 PM
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jms wrote: has this cured your ontario gear problem yet??
No.
It's all good up to 5.9 and if you don't fall.
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chossmonkey
Oct 28, 2007, 1:39 AM
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tradrenn wrote: jms wrote: has this cured your ontario gear problem yet?? No. It's all good up to 5.9 and if you don't fall.
There is still one route left that I need to finish before I hang up the rack in S.On
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camhead
Oct 28, 2007, 2:16 AM
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duuuude... glad you're all right. I'm also psyched that you got a quality m34tbOmb out of the whole thing. We really need to start incorporating that term into the climbing lexicon.
H3LL 1z sHRt3r 4 cH0ssMonkY!!!11
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clausti
Oct 28, 2007, 2:19 AM
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holy shit.
massive congrats on being walking and breathing and everything.
i hope i get to climb with you someday and GG again... paul and i agree that we are not trad climbing with you in canada, though, sorry.
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brent_e
Oct 28, 2007, 3:28 AM
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Hey Nate,
sent you an email. I'm glad you're alright. it's odd that you didn't feel munge in the crack but there is munge on the cams.
heal quick, man.
Brent
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dominic7
Oct 28, 2007, 10:09 PM
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Good work on making it through more or less in one piece! Looks like you'll be gimping around for a bit on that foot.
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Oct 29, 2007, 1:07 AM
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Holy hand grenade Nathan!
glad you made it out only minorly unscathed. Though if you could have, would you have gone to the hospital to get an x-ray, just in case. Impact injuries are not fun at all. Plus, the risk that your ASR masked the severity of the injury only adds to the probability of a more complicated injury.
I have always been reallly cautious when placing gear in slimestone. I've seen some nasty shit happen to others when similar stuff happened.
Get better, slowly.
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tradrenn
Oct 29, 2007, 1:44 AM
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chossmonkey wrote: tradrenn wrote: jms wrote: has this cured your ontario gear problem yet?? No. It's all good up to 5.9 and if you don't fall. Its all good if you don't fall. There is still one route left that I need to finish before I hang up the rack in S.On
I admire your determination man.
I know you will get the Monument, you almost did when I was there with you.
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Oct 29, 2007, 3:36 AM
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Take pics of the crack too if you can narrow down where the cams scraped out.
Well developed accident report mate, top stuff.
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granite_grrl
Oct 29, 2007, 11:51 AM
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epoch wrote: Holy hand grenade Nathan! glad you made it out only minorly unscathed. Though if you could have, would you have gone to the hospital to get an x-ray, just in case. Impact injuries are not fun at all. Plus, the risk that your ASR masked the severity of the injury only adds to the probability of a more complicated injury. I have always been reallly cautious when placing gear in slimestone. I've seen some nasty shit happen to others when similar stuff happened. Get better, slowly.
I agree about the x-rays, etc. And Nathan just got his madical pass letter and should be able to get covered by Ontario medical care now....once he gets that health card he has no more excuses.
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chossmonkey
Oct 29, 2007, 12:09 PM
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philbox wrote: Take pics of the crack too if you can narrow down where the cams scraped out. Well developed accident report mate, top stuff.
Once we started talking about it while still at the base of the cliff I knew I had a unique opportunity and should do my best to document it. I hope everyone who reads the report can at least gain something from it.
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chossmonkey
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granite_grrl wrote: epoch wrote: Holy hand grenade Nathan! glad you made it out only minorly unscathed. Though if you could have, would you have gone to the hospital to get an x-ray, just in case. Impact injuries are not fun at all. Plus, the risk that your ASR masked the severity of the injury only adds to the probability of a more complicated injury. I have always been reallly cautious when placing gear in slimestone. I've seen some nasty shit happen to others when similar stuff happened. Get better, slowly. I agree about the x-rays, etc. And Nathan just got his madical pass letter and should be able to get covered by Ontario medical care now....once he gets that health card he has no more excuses.
Whats an ASR?
I have insurance and I could have went if I really felt there was something wrong. One of my thoughts not put into the report was, "Where is the closest ER?". When I hit I thought for sure I would need to go. After things calmed down I decided that going to the ER would likely cause more commotion than it was worth. We had about 4 hours from starting the walk out to drive to Voytek's place so he could keep an eye on me and get help if I needed it. I felt well enough when we got there I drove home the rest of the way and called Voytek when I got home. Rebecca could keep an eye on me through the night and get me to a hospital if things changed.
I never hit my head (yes Majid, I was wearing my helmet) or torso so I figured the chances of internal injuries were quite low. I will admit that the thought of internal bleeding crossed my mind, but rationalized (rational or not) that my feet and ass absorbed almost all of the fall. If there were any strains, sprains or fractures they obviously weren't to bad and could wait.
Compounding things was the fact that Rebecca's mother was here visiting. I decided that making a big deal of it would cause far to many new problems. As it is her Father is completely paranoid of us climbing and her mother barely accepts it. As long as I didn't put weight on my heel I could walk okayish and I just had to really suck it up for a few days until she left. As far as we know Rebecca's mom never noticed.
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chossmonkey
Oct 29, 2007, 12:52 PM
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epoch wrote: I have always been reallly cautious when placing gear in slimestone. I've seen some nasty shit happen to others when similar stuff happened.
I figured that I should add that I have usually always been very cautious too. The rock there seemed really good and perhaps I let my guard down? Rebecca and Voytek got the same feeling from the rock. Normally neither is to jazzed about climbing gear on this shit but both were seduced into climbing at this cliff because of the seemingly good rock. That's why I thought it was so important to post all of this.
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andypro
Oct 29, 2007, 2:22 PM
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brent_e wrote: it's odd that you didn't feel munge in the crack but there is munge on the cams.
First and foremost: Glad you're ok! Dying really puts a damper on peoples good moods. Cut that out!
Second: Brents comment made me think of something. Theres a cave at kelso that has really cold air coming out of it. Cold moist air. When I've climbed around the mouth, The cold air makes the moisture condense on my gear because it cools off fast due to the aluminum of it all.
You said that there was a slight breeze coming out of the crack. Could have been the same scenario as the above mentioned spot. The slime could have been a VERY thin layer, and dried out, but the air made water condense out of the air onto the aluminum and reconstituted the slime just enough to make everything slick as snot.
Obviously this is just wild conjecture and by no means any kind of proper analysis, but it would explain why you didn't feel the slime with your hands, but it was on the cams.
Again, glad you're ok.
--Andy P
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zeke_sf
Oct 29, 2007, 2:36 PM
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camhead wrote: duuuude... glad you're all right. I'm also psyched that you got a quality m34tbOmb out of the whole thing. We really need to start incorporating that term into the climbing lexicon. H3LL 1z sHRt3r 4 cH0ssMonkY!!!11
That's what we've been trying to tell everybody via t3h b_et!!!
U m3ATBOMZ on l1m3st00n & lwering 1z shrter!!!
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chossmonkey
Oct 29, 2007, 3:27 PM
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andypro wrote: Second: Brents comment made me think of something. Theres a cave at kelso that has really cold air coming out of it. Cold moist air. When I've climbed around the mouth, The cold air makes the moisture condense on my gear because it cools off fast due to the aluminum of it all. You said that there was a slight breeze coming out of the crack. Could have been the same scenario as the above mentioned spot. The slime could have been a VERY thin layer, and dried out, but the air made water condense out of the air onto the aluminum and reconstituted the slime just enough to make everything slick as snot. Obviously this is just wild conjecture and by no means any kind of proper analysis, but it would explain why you didn't feel the slime with your hands, but it was on the cams.
Yeah, that is something similar to what I was thinking but I don't think moisture would condense on the cams since they would have been warmer. I feel fairly confident the cool air or the rain or possibly a combination of the two had a lot to do with it. Or maybe it was just the thin layer of dried munge inside the crack? Or the munge had a dried crust and was moist underneath? For what its worth I didn't notice any moisture on the cams, but it would have been a few minutes between ripping them and examining them. Maybe a half hour. I'm pretty sure it was shady by the time I started climbing so the sun wouldn't have dried them off.
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the_climber
Oct 29, 2007, 5:23 PM
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Damn Nate!
Good that you're OK and healing up now. Slimestone = as much passive as you can get, though parallel does not equal passive I've had a similar cam ripping experiance years ago (thankfully the crampons missed my leg when landing... don't deck on ice) and it was what looked like an ideal placement too. Limestone is a nasty fucker of a completely inconsistant medium to climb. Heal up fast buddy. Maybe you'll get out here for some Bugaboo or Squamish "solid gear" routes next season... or perhaps I'll let you in on the 'super "semi" secret new area' that may or may not require a full day of trail building/bush whacking/brush chopping to get into.... I bet that doesn't appeal at the moment.
Well, Bec got the Super Hardcore Tough Chick Award... I guess that means you get the "Shear Dumb Luck You Must Have A Tone of Horse Shoes up Your Ass to still be Walking Award"... Which is by far the longest name of any award I've ever handed out.
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the_climber
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That's some seriously scary shit when you consider the sharp pointy stuff that could have impailed you and/or broken you back/head/neck. You are one lucky SOB! You know, when I took my gear ripping fall I was amazed at how lucky I was, 5 ice screws crampons and ice hook and 2 tools... not one single point punctured me. Though there was the thing about landing hip first on the ice and thinking for a few moments I had broken my pelvis. I guess that it's the biggest reason I carry so much passive gear on my rack, most of my climbing is on Limestone and it just holds better, taht said we come back toteh parallel crack thing and you're left with using a cam. It wasn't untill I started doing a bit of Aid on limestone that I realized how little of a film of scum or mineral deposit on the sides of the crack it takes for the cam to rip. Pins for that matter too. I'd buy you a beer to help with the pain, but I think it might get a little warm and flat by the time it got to your table. If you'll take a raincheck I'll buy you one on your next trip out here.
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obsessed
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In reply to: Its a photo of a scrape on my ass. More technically my extreme lower back. Yeah I'll be back climbing. I'm not sure about on gear in this rock though.
Yep, that's your ass alright! I guess I better not be grabbin it for awhile, least til you heal 
Really glad you are (pretty much) unscathed by the incident...could have been a lot worse! Looks like your heel took the majority of impact. Do you remember smashing it when you decked or on the way down?
Don't worry, ice season is coming and you won't need to touch the slimestone then!
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chossmonkey
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obsessed wrote: Yep, that's your ass alright! I guess I better not be grabbin it for awhile, least til you heal Really glad you are (pretty much) unscathed by the incident...could have been a lot worse! Looks like your heel took the majority of impact. Do you remember smashing it when you decked or on the way down? Don't worry, ice season is coming and you won't need to touch the slimestone then!
I only hit my heel when I hit the ground. The route was fairly overhanging so it was a fall right straight down with nothing to hit but the ground.
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rokklym
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Jeezus dude, you can't be doing that shit! Glad you didn't get too messed up. Heal up and get back and send that sucker!
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Nate-
thx for sharing your story. it is certainly a reminder to me of how fragile life is. glad you're ok man.
-matthew
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