if it breaches numerous patents does that mean they 're gonna get sued?

possibly, depends on if madrock wants to press charges.

possibly, depends on if madrock wants to press charges.

In China? Bwahahahahahahahahahahha! That's a good one!

GO

Well, both countries sell shoes in the US? Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to get an injunction against climb x in the US, so they couldn't sell those shoes here.

Really? An injunction with whom? And define "hard". Wouldn't you have to prove both patent infringement and that one is the owner of the patent and the other isn't? Hard to do when neither company is based in the US, and both claim to be the patent owners.

GO

Really? An injunction with whom? And define "hard". Wouldn't you have to prove both patent infringement and that one is the owner of the patent and the other isn't? Hard to do when neither company is based in the US, and both claim to be the patent owners.

GO

if it breaches numerous patents does that mean they 're gonna get sued?

possibly, depends on if madrock wants to press charges.

Climb X products are imitation made with the intention to deceive the consumer into believing it to be genuine Mad Rock products. We encourage any customers who have been approached by Climb X to contact us immediately.

PRESS RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Mad Rock Sheds Some Weight and Passes Savings on to Customers

Santa Fe Springs, CA February 5, 2010: Mad Rock is pleased to announce Kenny Suh, who has been with Mad Rock since 2007, as head of the company’s global sales and marketing team. Joseph Garland, a contracted sales rep with Mad Rock, announced his departure early January. Mad Rock’s sole owner and president Young Chu assures his customers that operations will resume as normal. “Our in-house staff as well as the US and International sales team is excited about the changes and look forward to an even better 2010.”

Factory

Mad Rock Climbing is happy to announce that the move from China to Vietnam was a success. “Even though the transition was difficult, it was a necessary move in the face of overwhelming price increases in China. We will be able to pass on savings to the dealers and consumers while maintaining quality and innovation, which has been the cornerstone of Mad Rock’s philosophy.”

Mad Rock Climbing is issuing a customer and team athlete alert for Climb X products.

Climb X products are imitation made with the intention to deceive the consumer into believing it to be genuine Mad Rock products. Mad Rock and its parent company Nelson Sports Inc. has NO affiliation with Climb X or its products, which violates numerous patent and copyright laws. We encourage any customers who have been approached by Climb X to contact us immediately.

Here's a link to very reliable news article written on SNews.com, an outdoor industry new source. You have to sign in, but it's free.

https://www.snewsnet.com/SNEWSFreebie/MadRockFriend.html

So basically we have two people arguing about whose shit smells the most like roses when in fact, the nearby roses aren't all that hard to get.

Fuck Madrock.

Fuck Climb X.

As for the patent violations,



Young Chu is the holder of four US patents as an inventor, three that pertain to climbing and with many more that are pending.



Concave sole for climbing shoes

3D Hooking heel for climbing shoes

Safety Buckle

Man, i haven't posted to RC.com in a long time, but having an extra few minutes this morning and looking at this thread, kinda has me taking this bait.

Why is there so much anger against Mad Rock on this site? It's weird, it's like a rockclimbing.com specific bias for certain companies over other ones.

I've climbed in a decent amount of shoes, and honestly I've never found a shoe that in-and-of-itself makes me a better or worse climber. I've seen many, many climbers make excuses for themselves based on the shoes - oftentimes I hear a lot of people complain about shoe quality and durability, but never question their footwork.

Wouldn't you assume that if all Mad Rock shoes were low-quality, then no strong climbers would use them? Yet many of the top 10 finishers at ABS and SCS wear them - Sacha DeJulian won SCS nationals this year in Mad Rocks.

I feel the same sentiment gets thrown at Boreal for their rubber - isn't it weird that Andrada, Marin, and a lot of other 5.15 climbers shut down projects in Boreal? I mean, if they are climbing at the level to where they are repeatedly shown in magazines and literally do climb full-time, they would have absolute pick of shoe sponsorship. If their company was really not producing decent products, what reason would there be to stay?

And as a separate point - climbing shoes are expensive. Mad Rock puts out a lot of shoes at a decently low price, yet can climb well - there is no reason that one couldn't climb 5.13 in basic Flashes. Do people think all climbers should start out by buying Miuras? Would that make people better climbers, or just promote this strange climbing-shoe-elitism?