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panamared
Oct 4, 2004, 2:05 AM
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Hey all, I was in Jackson Falls this saturday and helped evacuate a girl who decked. Does anyone know what kind of condition she's in?
I hope she's alright.
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mingleefu
Oct 4, 2004, 2:30 PM
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I heard from a friend that she had broken her hip. Of course, my friend was climbing when she heard the report from someone else on that same day. I guess if you helped evac, you'd know this already.
For the sake of information, I'm told she was on Tons o' Fun and fell from the top (~60 ft.)
I guess I really don't have any updates, but I'd like to hear her condition as well..so... bump.
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killclimbz
Oct 4, 2004, 2:33 PM
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In reply to: I heard from a friend that she had broken her hip.
Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow....
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overlord
Oct 4, 2004, 2:34 PM
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^^^^ yes, that sucks bigh time and is dangerous too. you can easily cut a moajor artery...
hope sho wont have any permanent damage. how did she manage to deck anyway???
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panamared
Oct 4, 2004, 4:53 PM
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I'm not sure if this is exactly correct, but what I heard at the time was she was cleaning the anchors at the top of the climb and forgot to clip herself in before unclipping from the rope.
I know she broke her leg (tibia), and probably had some internal injuries. They were gonna fly her to a level 1 facility to get her stabilized before moving her to a level 3. Hadn't heard anything about the hip.
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mingleefu
Oct 4, 2004, 5:08 PM
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Just got this off the U of I climbing club's newsgroup.
In reply to: She broke her leg real bad and possibly her hip, maybe some internal bleeding also, and a real bad bump on her head. She was conscious, but not making a whole lot of sense. They airlifted her to St. Louis. It took about an hour before EMT got to her and a while longer for us to get her out of the woods and into the Ambulance. Her name is Dani and she goes to Parkland here in Champaign [parkland is a local junior college]. If any one finds out more information on how she is doing we would appreciate the info. Noone is exactly sure how she fell, we know she was setting up the anchors on, I guess Ton's of Fun, but Im not sure about the name, and she fell about 60'. Her boyfriend at the bottom broke her fall as best he could, but theres not much you can do
No word on whether she wore a helmet. However, most people do not wear helmets at Jackson, a sport crag.
By the way.. the boyfriend trying to break her fall reminds me of the heros thread. Body falling from 60', hurtling towards the ground, and he makes the split second decision to stand firm beneath her. Regardless of the outcome, that's pretty amazing. At least we know she'll have huge support during her recovery.
climb safe.
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killclimbz
Oct 4, 2004, 5:10 PM
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Well hopefully she will be allright. Changing over anchors is the source for many accidents. I've had some close calls, with friends and myself. Fortunately if you get into the routine of idiot checking yourself, they are easy to avoid. Of couse that one time you slack off...
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umhowaboutpatt
Oct 4, 2004, 5:38 PM
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Thats really sad to hear about, I frequent Jackson Falls alot. Good job to the rescue crew for getting her out. I hope she has a good recovery and that story about her boyfriend trying to break the fall is amazing. Sorry to hear about this and once again i hope she is okay.
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crimpandgo
Oct 4, 2004, 5:48 PM
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Kudos to the boyfriend for trying to break her fall. Hope is ok as well. That is heroic and life threatening all in the same sentance :shock:
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solitudeclimber
Oct 6, 2004, 1:25 PM
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Any updates?
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krillen
Oct 6, 2004, 1:52 PM
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Did the BF sustain any injuries trying to break the fall?
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andy_lemon
Oct 6, 2004, 4:13 PM
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Jeff Stockton (pres. of Illinois Climber's Association) sent me an email this morning. He explains the accident, why it should have been avoided, and what steps may be taken to prepare climbers for a speedy evacuation from Jackson Falls canyon. You can read that here:
http://le-mank.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=22
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ianwhite
Oct 6, 2004, 7:20 PM
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I want to give credit where it's due to the climbers who helped the girl (Dani) after her nasty spill. I was one of the guys who happened to be in the area and stopped to do what little I could to help. Although it's always a bad day when somebody gets hurt, it was good to see the quality of character of everyone who was there. Everybody who knew that she fell had nothing else on their mind other than what they could do to help her and help the overall situation in general. It's good to know that the people who frequent the area are happy to drop what they're doing and run all the way from wherever they are, as fast as their legs would carry them to do anything they could. Bravo to everyone who was there to help
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kimmyt
Oct 6, 2004, 7:33 PM
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In reply to: with a boyfriend/belayer of questionable experience, skill and intelligence
Hmm. Pretty harsh. Agreed that perhaps the boyfriend did things that could have harmed the girl, but in a stressful situation an untrained individual may react without thinking. I don't know if it was professional of this guy to call her boyfriend dumb for acting as he did...
K.
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clarki
Oct 6, 2004, 8:14 PM
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I realize that Jeff Stockton was well meaning but.......
The climber/victim was a female, with a boyfriend/belayer of questionable experience, skill and intelligence.
He really needs to refrain from this sort of thing. The boyfreind was just trying to do as he thought best and right or wrong, he doesn't need that sort of sh*t!!
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trenchdigger
Oct 6, 2004, 8:27 PM
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In reply to: I realize that Jeff Stockton was well meaning but....... The climber/victim was a female, with a boyfriend/belayer of questionable experience, skill and intelligence. He really needs to refrain from this sort of thing. The boyfreind was just trying to do as he thought best and right or wrong, he doesn't need that sort of sh*t!!
Agreed. And he does nothing to, as he claims, "explain" the accident nor tell why it should have been avoided. Not really what I'd expect from a president of a climbing association.
~Adam~
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coldclimb
Oct 6, 2004, 8:38 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: I realize that Jeff Stockton was well meaning but....... The climber/victim was a female, with a boyfriend/belayer of questionable experience, skill and intelligence. He really needs to refrain from this sort of thing. The boyfreind was just trying to do as he thought best and right or wrong, he doesn't need that sort of sh*t!! Agreed. And he does nothing to, as he claims, "explain" the accident nor tell why it should have been avoided. Not really what I'd expect from a president of a climbing association. ~Adam~
My thoughts on reading the article as well. There's a guy that I'm not sure I would like to rope up with. Blatantly calling this guy stupid because his girlfriend just almost died... that's crap. What kind of low life does that sort of stuff? Way to add insult to injury, asshole.
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jakedatc
Oct 6, 2004, 9:10 PM
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i'm not gunna get into the article...BUT
folks who don't know... "Bind it where you find it" if a bone/joint is sideways backwards.. whatever.. don't try to reduce it yourself.. as the article said it can cause more harm than good. Even as an athletic trainer i'm still not allowed to do this legally (and a good thing for me cuz i don't think i'd want to)
splint the area above and below the break/dislocation leaving the fingers or toes open and visible so that you can check for a pulse and capillary refill to make sure blood is still circulating through.
hope she's ok
Jake
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robmcc
Oct 6, 2004, 9:23 PM
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In reply to: He really needs to refrain from this sort of thing. The boyfreind was just trying to do as he thought best and right or wrong, he doesn't need that sort of sh*t!!
If his words stir up debate or outrage and that makes someone remember to refrain from actions which can exacerbate a fallen climber's injuries, I think there's a net benefit.
There's worse things in the world than to have your competence questioned when you do something you shouldn't. They boyfriend was called names. The climber could have suffered much worse.
Rob
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girlclimb
Oct 6, 2004, 9:26 PM
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IF your victum is in a remote area and you are expected to have a wait of more then that golden hour there are many instances where it is better to straigten out a broken bone and then splint it... the bone could be pinching blood vessels ext cutting of circulation to the limb or extremity which could in the end result in the need to remove such an extremity... it is a case by case situation all i know is that wilderness first aid is alot differnt then regular first aids and the rules are differnt too...
I would encourage everyone out there that is serious about climbing especially in remote areas or any wilderness activiy to take a wilderness first aid course of some sort it could save your life or the life of a freinds and or prevent serious injuries for that matter.
I hope the young lady will make a full recovery. Thanks to all the volunteers that helped to make the rescue.
Be safe,
~K
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Oct 6, 2004, 9:27 PM
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I'm going to have to disagree here... in Wilderness First Responder they teach you to do Traction into Position (i.e. "straighten the leg back into position") on ANY long-bone break, in ANY context, even in an urban setting.
**** And even for an open/compound femur fracture! ***
Quote Outward Bound Wilderness First Aid Handbook:
"Treatment of femur fracture: Firm TIP (Traction in Position) reduces pain and spam, reduces the chances of injury to arteries and nerves, and reduces the space available inside the thigh for blood loss. TIP should be applied as soon as possible whenever femur fracture is recognized..." "Open shaft fractures with bone-ends protruding through the skin are still managed with TIP."
Our instructor told us that the OLD first-aid methodology was to leave the fracture as it is. But now they teach you to perform TIP if you are trained to do so, by applying traction and slowly moving the limb into correct anatomical position. This doesn't mean you should go out and straighten every fracture you see.. there are guidelines to performing it and you need to be trained.
So to bring it all back - I would say that, assuming he was doing it correctly, it was exactly the right thing for the boyfriend to do in that situation.
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neuroshock
Oct 6, 2004, 9:37 PM
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In reply to: Jeff Stockton (pres. of Illinois Climber's Association) sent me an email this morning. He explains the accident, why it should have been avoided, and what steps may be taken to prepare climbers for a speedy evacuation from Jackson Falls canyon. You can read that here: http://le-mank.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=22
going on a tangent (not meant as a thread hijack) what the heck is the Illinois Climber's Association? i'm a climber. i've lived in illinois pretty much all my life. i've never heard of this org before...and they represent my interests? did a google search and nothing of value was returned. they're listed on the Access Fund website as a "Local Climbing Organization" yet there's no link to any website. they're mentioned in the Illinois section of the RC.com route DB, but again there's no link.
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jakedatc
Oct 6, 2004, 11:02 PM
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Kate et al.. "if you are trained to do so" i think is the key phrase there.. for anyone out there to try and identify and properly do this without causing further damage is risky ... remote area's well.. i'd say do whatever you're comfortable doing to get the person out of there asap
ABC's will almost always be right.. Airway, Breating, Circulation... if the bone is broken take the pulse below the break eg. dorsal pulse for a leg fracture, radial for arm .. if there is a pulse that is similar to the uneffected side... i'd say the best would be to splint and leave it though checking periodically to make sure it's still good
Rich.. i don't think a first responder(with only that qualification) should reduce fractures in an urban setting.. EMT's can be there within 1-10 minutes with much better training and equipment to deal with it... best to keep them calm.. control any bleeding.. monitor vitals and watch for shock
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Oct 7, 2004, 5:22 AM
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Jeff Stockton replies to these comments via email...
http://le-mank.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=23
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