They stretched 1/2 size and it was 1 pair, don't know why I typed 2, think a missed key....still very happy with over 8 months now, 3 days a week on them. Recently got a pair of Mad Rock Flash so I could send in my worn Coyotes, it is clear that the Coyotes do not have a very good heel and are not great on the little edges. As I am getting better, these are going to be relegated to training and longer sessions only. Not for serious work, althought still a great beginner shoe.

Of all the shoes I tried on, these felt the most comfortable. Like others have mentioned, the leather does bleed quite a bit onto my feet. Compared to the rental shoes I was using before, these have outstanding grip on small footholds. Price was great for a first shoe - I don't know many people who would buy $120 shoes for casual wear, let alone a specialty shoe for climbing, and $75 is much more manageable than some of the higher priced shoes

Unfortunately, I bought these shoes a little bit too late to get the best use out of them. They're great shoes for beginners to low intermediates, but once you get past that they start to lose some of their pop. The C4 rubber is amazing for smearing; my feet just stay where I put them. They're also extremely comfortable, I could almost wear these as street shoes if I didn't care about wearing down the rubber. I can easily wear them all day at the wall and not get sore feet. Unfortunately, as many others have mentioned, the leather is rather stretchy; I downsized a half size (from 11 to 10.5), and now after two months of (admittedly rather heavy) use, I can take them off without untying them because of how far they've stretched. (It's not a huge problem, I can still heel hook ok, but the fact remains I can do it.) Two minor annoyances are that the leather bleeds onto my feet a lot (though I do have rather sweaty feet), and they start to smell pretty funky without some sort of smell-eliminating powder or something (which I would recommend using from the get-go).

Overall, a pretty good beginner's or warm-up shoe where high performance isn't as important, but for higher-level stuff, leave these in your bag.

I got a pair of these on sale at REI looking for an all day comfortable trad climbing shoe. They may be fine for the average person, but the sewn loop on the back inside of the heel really bothers me and becomes uncomfortable after a while. Plus, they are not as rigid as I like and pretty much suck at edging. There are better shoes for comfort and price!!

Acomfortable shoe even after spending all day climbing. The full length lace up gives you pretty much complete controll over the tightness and comfort. The Stealth rubber on the bottom of the shoes gives you great grip even on some pretty slick surfaces.