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dingus
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Pywiak mentioning Bachar doing the BY stoned got me to thinking...
OK, that's impressive. Didn't Sharma win the world cup stoned out of his gourd? Hmmm. Pretty impressive too. And high altitude mountaineers have been sustaining themselves on drug cocktails since the days of, well hell, for a long time.
Lynn Hill offered up some tasty tidbits in her autobiography for some additional SoCal HIGHlights, hehe. Some strong players down there.
Dan Osman was a red eyed warrior, know what I mean???
OK, who ss the best stoner climber of them all?
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moabbeth
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Ummm, are there any high end climbers that AREN'T stoners :lol: :lol: :lol: ????
That's why I always laugh so hard at the "real climbers don't smoke pot!!" threads that pop up from time to time. The posters have NO clue about how this sport came about. It was friggin founded by and developed by stoners.
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No doubt! I’ve heard that the idea of climbing the boulder problem midnight lightning was first conceived buy a climber stoned out of his mind on LSD. He looked up at the side of the then moss covered rock and in his hallucinogenic state of mind said. “Wow man, I think this will go!”
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That would be the stoner next door. Stoner smokes his weed, your weed and your friends weed supplementing it with the occasional energy burst from cigarettes. Stoner’s beverage of choice is usually the cheapest whiskey he can find in bulk besides anything he finds in your fridge. Stoner’s culinary habits revolve around old canned goods he pulls out from a trunk underneath his bed or the shy kid across the hall who never goes to the dining hall but orders Chinese food with leftovers that sit in the hall until the stoner eats it.
Yet Stoner can climb V10, 5.13, all without training for long periods of time. All I gotta say is that stoner can f**kin’ climb. However, beware! I’ve also seen Stoner fall of off 5.8s get slapped by V funs so I think it goes both ways. Oh and the motivation is definitely a problem for Stoner the Sunday ride to the crag usually begins with, “yo I was gonna mack’ this girl at the party but than I saw my bro and we burnt one and watched a video.” I quess the point of my ramblin’ is Stoner has a little bit of the good and a little of the bad but I still think he is the best stoner climber.
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I can't think of any good climbers that don't.
Last time I was in Yosemite (camp 4), Dean Potter walks up to me and asked If I had a pipe. Sadly enough I didn't, but my friend did so they went for a little walk. I was really interested why dean didn't have his own. latter I spoke with my friend who was STONED by this time and I asked why he didn't have a pipe, and he answers "he said his pipe took a big whipper. he he funny guy, because of that day I choose dean.
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In reply to: No doubt! I’ve heard that the idea of climbing the boulder problem midnight lightning was first conceived buy a climber stoned out of his mind on LSD. He looked up at the side of the then moss covered rock and in his hallucinogenic state of mind said. “Wow man, I think this will go!”
yes. the visionary of this landmark problem was Yabo
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S. Franklin would get my vote for being the best stoner. He would do about ten bong rips, power down a burger and fries, do some more rips and then do an FA on the hardest route at the crag.
Seriously, he would out burn just about everyone by a factor of ten.
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In reply to: It was friggin founded by and developed by stoners.
Warren was an alky. wasn't until the late sixties/early seventies that the Stonedmasters arrived.
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I swear there was a mention in that Vertical Reality movie (or whatever it's called) on the history of Yosemite climbing that notes the contributions of pot to the development of sport.
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Getting toasted while climbing sure is great, but has anyone ever tried it while tripping thier balls off? I imagine it would be pretty traumatizing. 'This crack is, SWALLOWING me! Im falling...falling forever!'
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In reply to: Getting toasted while climbing sure is great, but has anyone ever tried it while tripping thier balls off? I imagine it would be pretty traumatizing. 'This crack is, SWALLOWING me! Im falling...falling forever!'
Dude, I think that's more likely when shrooming. When stoned it's like "wow, this crack is really big....I should use a number 4, no..number 5...dude do I even have a number 5 on me? Did I leave it in my car? Where did I leave my car? Wait, what am I trying to place in this crack?"
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bvb
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why, that would be me.
led 5.12 soloed 5.11 bouldered highballs on every and anything you can imagine, and some three letter combo's you ain't never heard of.
as most of my freinds say, i got no right to be alive.
climbing on pot? ppfttt. kid stuff.
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well, I meant acid :wink:
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bvb
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and yepper, that'd be one of 'em.....
yeeee hawwww!!!!!!! :P :P :P :P :twisted: :P
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curt shannon.
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Nov 18, 2003, 7:00 AM
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Anyone ever climb while stone sober and just enjoy the outdoors anymore? :?
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Don't be overwhelmed by the louder ones.
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I have a tough time calling anyone the best [blank] of all time, but I think Jack Marshall is worthy. I think he cuts and styles his own hair whilst under the influence too.
"dude, you seen my scrib?"
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In reply to: I have a tough time calling anyone the best [blank] of all time, but I think Jack Marshall is worthy. I think he cuts and styles his own hair whilst under the influence too. "dude, you seen my scrib?" |
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In reply to: wasn't until the late sixties/early seventies that the Stonedmasters arrived.
Tell that to Mort Hemple.
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Magic Mushroom on the Captain seems pretty stout to be on while zoomin.
Who did the FA on Stoner's Highway. That too seems stout and almost only doable when in your in the Zen.
Haven't done either yet, but Stoner's is on the list.
Guess it's time to sack up or sack up.
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In reply to: I have a tough time calling anyone the best [blank] of all time, but I think Jack Marshall is worthy. I think he cuts and styles his own hair whilst under the influence too. "dude, you seen my scrib?" |
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In reply to: In reply to: wasn't until the late sixties/early seventies that the Stonedmasters arrived. Tell that to Mort Hemple. DMT
yeah, I forgot about Mort HEMPle.
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In reply to: Magic Mushroom on the Captain seems pretty stout to be on while zoomin.
Can see climbing on weed but shrooms or acid no F-ing way. Lots of tall tails going on here! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Nov 18, 2003, 6:05 PM
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tall tales i guess you never licked a toad's back. now that is a high! :shock:
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Nov 18, 2003, 6:08 PM
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In reply to: Yet Stoner can climb V10, 5.13, all without training for long periods of time. All I gotta say is that stoner can f**kin’ climb. .
yes there is hope for me yet!!!
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In reply to: tall tales i guess you never licked a toad's back. now that is a high!
Nope, that's just the poison making its way through your veins!! :twisted:
http://allaboutfrogs.org/weird/protection/glands.html
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Mort Hemple. Anyone ever smoke banana peels, or skins of unsalted peanuts, or trip on nutmeg? Just curious. I climb sober. The risk is just too much...in my opinion. I guess I wouldn't really feel too comfortable with a stoned belayer either. However, nothing against those who do enjoy a little herbal medicine either.
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Who was the climber that used to solo while tripping and wearing a shirt that read "blotter is my spotter"?
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In reply to: In reply to: I have a tough time calling anyone the best [blank] of all time, but I think Jack Marshall is worthy. I think he cuts and styles his own hair whilst under the influence too. "dude, you seen my scrib?" figures, since the dude can't climb trad, he'd rather get stoned.
There is a difference between can't and choses not to. Last time I went trad climbing I lead and hauled every pitch of the best trad route in the world, the Nose. Not free but no aid slings and I didn't even get a pump!!! After spending 18 seasons on dummy domes in low angle wasteland I decided to climb on steeper rock and get strong. By the way I leaving right now for the airport to fly to Spain to go "SPORT CLIMBING" on some of the finest limestone in the world. HAHAHA!!!1 I hope I can find a hash bar in Barcelona.
ciao
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Most of the more accomplished climbers that I know fall into two camps...
1. Really, really into getting really stoned/drunk. Often. And a lot.
2. Rarely if ever touch the stuff.
Most of the people from the second camp are in recovery for their addictions though.
Is it an addictive personality thing? I think so.
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In reply to: Most of the more accomplished climbers that I know fall into two camps... 1. Really, really into getting really stoned/drunk. Often. And a lot. 2. Rarely if ever touch the stuff. Most of the people from the second camp are in recovery for their addictions though. Is it an addictive personality thing? I think so.
This is an interesting statement. I don't think it's entirely true, but you will be hard pressed to find a climber who won't drink around the campfire at night. I've gotten into the habit of bringing an extra 12 pack of beer beyond what I can drink to give to anyone else who lacks my foresight.
I've also been rather shocked by the sheer percentage of climbers who have at least some prior drug use history. I have yet to speak to a climber about weed, without them having stories about being baked.
I'm not sure why the strong correlation between climbing and drug use. Perhaps we are just more open in discussing it?
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I NEVER rope up when stoned. Won't rope up with someone who is. When a harness is involved, i climb strictly sober. It's prudent.
I puff when the day is over and i'm kickin back after dinner by the fire crackin' jokes with my bros. Sometimes i'll go boulder an easy circuit and blaze.. burn my ass to the ground on rest days, but on project days.. i wait till i send for a celebratory bowl or hit the sympathy pipe when i get skunked.
be smart with your drugs kids. (tho i hate lecturing)
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In reply to: In reply to: Magic Mushroom on the Captain seems pretty stout to be on while zoomin. Can see climbing on weed but shrooms or acid no F-ing way. Lots of tall tails going on here! :evil: :evil: :evil:
GUESS AGAIN, JUNIOR......
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In reply to: In reply to: Most of the more accomplished climbers that I know fall into two camps... 1. Really, really into getting really stoned/drunk. Often. And a lot. 2. Rarely if ever touch the stuff. Most of the people from the second camp are in recovery for their addictions though. Is it an addictive personality thing? I think so. This is an interesting statement. I don't think it's entirely true, but you will be hard pressed to find a climber who won't drink around the campfire at night. I've gotten into the habit of bringing an extra 12 pack of beer beyond what I can drink to give to anyone else who lacks my foresight. Travis
I think Melissa's referring to a level of climber that's well above us, hardcore tradmen and aid gods. And from the ones I've met in Yosemite, Melissa's assessment is right on the money.
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[quote="bvb"]In reply to: In reply to: Magic Mushroom on the Captain seems pretty stout to be on while zoomin. Can see climbing on weed but shrooms or acid no F-ing way. Lots of tall tails going on here! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Last weekend our descent involved taking a paved trail that was exposed and from which you could fall to your death if you were klutz enough to fall and then roll off of it. I had to decline the summit beer that my partner had packed for me for fear of doing just that. The professional stoner types that can function at such a high level when "enhanced" are a mystery to me, but I don't doubt that it's true.
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Hmm, interesting points, Trav and Melissa.
I don't smoke anything, at all, and never have, and I don't often drink around the campfire (although the latter could be due to my usual distaste for beer. Yeah I said that! :shock:)
But whatever other people do with their bodies and chemicals is nunna my business...
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Oliver Moon, he could do it all- and still stand still. Next place is Mort HEMPel. Climbers are just FUNHOGS who push everything to the limit.
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I can't believe nobody's mentioned "The Bird" he wins ! hands down.
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to each their own, its the thrill of the sport to push the edge...
now that said, if i'm on the sharp end, i want the non-"Enhanced" LUCIDLY CONSCIOUS and un-cns-depressed individual. if you want to get baked and sloshed afterwards, ill toss a few pints back with you, but no matter what anyone says, climbing comes down to you taking your own life into your own hands, both figuratively and literally.... you make the decision....
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Shaunt Oungoulian, flashes V10s with his pipe waiting at the top out.
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In reply to: ... a climber stoned out of his mind on LSD.
anyways, stoner climbers rule...too many to list
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In reply to: In reply to: Magic Mushroom on the Captain seems pretty stout to be on while zoomin. Can see climbing on weed but shrooms or acid no F-ing way. Lots of tall tails going on here! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Wrong. I climbed the hardest, boldest lines of my life one day on shrooms. I am not saying I am proud of this, nor am I spraying. My hardest boldest lines are I am sure a joke to many. I am just saying people do this.
edited for clarification: None of this was roped or with gear - that would have probably made it too much to handle. Far easier to just focus on climbing.
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Weed is a Drug!??!?!?! :wink:
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I've pulled some of my best climbs under the influence of one thing or another. But its always fun to be sober and hear your belayer tell you the caps are kicking in...
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Sharma is the best.
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intresting topic
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Some of the best get high, some don't. I think if you thought about it a bit, you'd *realize* the answer. It's even done up in a Jeremy Collins cartoon in Alpinist 2 or 3.
As for LSD, which was fun at the time but which has left me with a lingering psychosis and sense that the world is fundamentally rotten -- I climbed Hobbit in a Blender (V5) and 3-Star Arete (V3), and the V4 left of 3-Star Arete at Hueco, on LSD-25, in running shoes. I was 17. I didn't give a shit. When I was done I tried to eat a banana, but was laughing so hard I spit it up all over the lip holds of Hobbit. I'm pretty sure they could hear us howling like banshees down at the ranger station, but they never sent anyone up to investigate.
Also, last time I tried to climb while booming, I lost interest in the boulders after about an hour, went down to this murky little stretch of beach on a reservoir, jumped into the opaque waters, and sifted around through the mud with my hands. Then I had my girlfriend bury me in the sand on the beach, and I pissed all over myself, covered thusly, because she told me to--because she said it was warm, which it was.
Proud.
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innom.... .. great stories...... reminds me of back in '80? was shrooming with Joe Hedge.. we wander up to the Pirate on Suicide Rock.. 80' of A1 stoppers is a safe thing to climb, yes? That was Joe's lead.. mine was the 2nd pitch that starts A0 stoppers to 5.8 fun.. damn that granite felt extra pristine and sparkely....... swirly.. ..
'shrooms can have a varying effect. like you wanting to wallow in the mud peeing on yourself instead of climbing? ...I recall a warm summer day in '79 with Freriks and FrebBob, 'shroom tripping pretty hard at the base of Tuolumne's Get Slick. For some reason I was content just to sit on that little 3rd class ledge 50' off the ground and soak up rays. ..watch clouds .. .. never did rope up....
maybe highjack this thread, people. let's hear of .. altered states? everybody's got a great story... even sober ones...
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:? somke pot :?
:shock: check your not :shock:
:P climb hot :P
Been climbing stoned as long as I can remember :twisted:
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i would vote for sharma as the "new guy".
from the olds school, the guy who put up the "white rastafarian". just consider the name...
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Chongo, may he live forever
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John Yablonsnky, RIP
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you only have to look at some the crazy names in climbing to know whether first ascent was done by a stoner or not, bein a stoner means you enjoy the high from certain things like adrenaline and weed etc. and like bein outside and feel axhilerated by things, bein a climber means you enjoy the adrenaline high, outdoors and the exhileration of it all, put them both together and you have one hell of a mix! FYI im actually rather stoned writing this :lol:
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I have to throw my vote for Yabo.
It's wierd I gotta 3.8 GPA smoking before just about every class. But climbing I feel like I might make that stupid "I'm too high" mistake, sorta like those 10 times I forgot about my pizza in the oven untill the fire alarm goes off after several bingers. Bouldering I'll pack one and play any time.
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too good to let slip off the front page...but as for me...i agree with the last guy...bouldering and burning is where its at...roped climbing can get a little too intense i think...dont get me wrong i do a lot of things high, but somethings are meant only for the endocloud.
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In reply to: Sharma is the best.
sharma smokes pot ? dean potter ? other climbers too ?? say it isn't so
well i guess there's always baseball for role models... oh wait...
politics- there must be someone there to emulate...
:)
belayer wanted, bong on a biner a plus :D
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Jul 12, 2004, 2:22 AM
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Great thread!
that's all I'm gonna say for right now...
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In reply to: Mort Hemple. Anyone ever smoke banana peels, or skins of unsalted peanuts, or trip on nutmeg? Just curious.
Ack, nutmeg tripping. A teenage experiment that went horribly wrong. :shock:
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i had a friend in college that ate two entire bottles of nutmeg after throwing up multiple times and then we waited and waited and waited...but nothing ever happened...until the next day :? farts....and i dont just mean farts... it was like a nutmeg factory gone all wrong. agressive farts...even he left the area...and our person in charge on our floor told him to go out on the fire escape if he had to fart because one person actually vomited from the smell.
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I climb stoned a good bit. I think its fun, though i sometimes feel like crankin hard on a route can kinda take your high away. As for trippin i have climbed some boomin as well as on some good old electric coolaid though in times tike this i generally like to stick to somewhat easy routes, though it is good if they have a lot of exposure. I think this is because routes like this just let me simply flow up the rock which is what trippin or just getting stoned is mainly all about, goin with the flow.
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I know plenty of climbers who do, and just as many if not more that don't. This thread is a good example of the vocal people are the onesmore likely to speak up and say they do.
I think you find that the married w/kids crowd is a little more anti than the younger bouldering crowd which is a little more pro.
I personally wouldn't and won't, and am not a big fan of people doing it if they are going to belay me.
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i think a lot of climbers who smoke a lot are just very peaceful, which can make climbing easier
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Ok, no one has said anything about Jimson Weed...bvb? :wink:
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there is this stoner dude who goes to my gym, well, if he remembers to. he will climb hard-core for a couple months, forget that climbing even exists, and then return a few months later and be pulling routes like the best climbers there. it's quite inspiring, and makes me wonder if i should start getting stoned again. would that be considered performance enhancement? :shock:
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Damn I wish, I get stoned and I can't even stay on the rock. Well I haven't tried but I get lazy when I am stoned. But then again I only climb 5.8's so don't expect much.
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In reply to: would that be considered performance enhancement?
lol, no i don't think so :D its best described in robin williams stand up about how the stoner should get a gold medal just for getting up off his ass and doing something. (its really funny if you haven't seen it). I always joke about how i need my 'performace enhancing drug' before i go climbing.
personally i don't know if gonja actually improves my climbing ability, but rather it enables me to become super focused on the climb ... you know, it just me and the rock. Some of my best climbing memories are taking the bong rips while looking up at the 5.11+ that im about to climb, or smoking a jay at the top of multipitch trad climb while looking over the magnificant view of the valley and having such a great feeling of accomplishment. I guess im just trying to say that climbing high makes me glad to be alive.
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Well, I've just read this whole thread, and I've figured out why I still suck at climbing. I think I'm going to modify my training regimen -- go home, tell the wife I need to buy some plants -- all part of my new conditioning routine. She'll be so pleased :)
Here, I thought I sucked at climbing because I only get out once or twice a week and I'm a big chicken whenever I climb past my last clip. I had no idea that I just needed to "enhance" my experience!
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Best stoner climber- that's easy - the one closest to you with the biggest sachel! :P
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In reply to: Best stoner climber- that's easy - the one closest to you with the biggest sachel! :P
ummm no...
Best satchel would be more accurate unless you like seeds. 8^)
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Anyone that hasn't seen a book by the name "The emperor wears no clothes" should. It's about why a plant that has been cultivated and used for as long as humans have been on the planet is now illegal. I realized that everything I heard about it while growing up was bull$hit when I noticed that some of the most intelligent people I'd ever known are stoners! So much propaganda, so little time.....Oh yeah, my vote goes for Lynn.
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All i gota say is if ya havent been climbing when stoned todays the day.
Buildering is really crazy when you are really high from hot knifing and you start getting paranoid of all the people and cars around you but i guess thats what can make it fun.
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Everytime I wanna climb stoned, I smoke a little & am like "f**k it." End up at RC.com instead.
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This brings up a question I've had for awhile:
Why don't all you potheads take steroids? I mean, if I was like you, and I didn't mind treating my body like a toxic waste dump, I'd hit the Juice. If you're willing to alter your experience with chemicals, why not go all the way?
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In reply to: This brings up a question I've had for awhile: Why don't all you potheads take steroids? I mean, if I was like you, and I didn't mind treating my body like a toxic waste dump, I'd hit the Juice. If you're willing to alter your experience with chemicals, why not go all the way?
You say you've had this question for awhile? What took you so long to ask it? & would you like some Doritos?
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ironhawk
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In reply to: In reply to: This brings up a question I've had for awhile: Why don't all you potheads take steroids? I mean, if I was like you, and I didn't mind treating my body like a toxic waste dump, I'd hit the Juice. If you're willing to alter your experience with chemicals, why not go all the way? You say you've had this question for awhile? What took you so long to ask it? & would you like some Doritos?
Doritos would ruins his eating experience only rice, beans and water for this purest!
LOL
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Jul 16, 2004, 8:36 PM
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In reply to: This brings up a question I've had for awhile: Why don't all you potheads take steroids? I mean, if I was like you, and I didn't mind treating my body like a toxic waste dump, I'd hit the Juice. If you're willing to alter your experience with chemicals, why not go all the way?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it's because we don't want our dicks to get small (or grow a dick if you're a chick.) Marijuana is not a 'drug', it's an herb man. Just like oregeno or thyme. Like was previously stated, 20th century propoganda and conservative stick-in-the-muds have tried every method possible to hide the truths of cannabis. Ah, the world we live in when PLANTS are illegal. Did the Gods make a mistake?
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bouldereldo
Jul 16, 2004, 8:38 PM
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In reply to: This brings up a question I've had for awhile: Why don't all you potheads take steroids? I mean, if I was like you, and I didn't mind treating my body like a toxic waste dump, I'd hit the Juice. If you're willing to alter your experience with chemicals, why not go all the way?
This is exactly what I mean about propaganda! It's sad to see someone so under/malinformed. I'm afraid you are in the minority here my freind. Turn off your tv and read a book. Tool :roll: .
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rockprodigy
Jul 16, 2004, 9:05 PM
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Whoa!
Take another bong rip and mellow out... I'm not criticizing you, I'm just asking a legitimate question.
I honestly don't understand the reasoning.
So far, I'm getting out of this, that you avoid the roids because you are afraid of genital disfigurement?
If that is the case, then is it safe to assume that you value sexual faculties over mental faculties?
I have many friends who smoke the reefer, and they are all forgetful and, sometimes they are just plain stupid. However, I don't have any evidence that pot caused this condition, I have just noticed a correlation. Therefore, it could be possible that they were forgetful before they started smoking, and for some reason forgetful people are more inclined to smoke.
How do you define a drug? I'm not sure myself. It seems like if you have to light something on fire, then inhale the fumes, that is not a "natural" form of sustinence, but you could probably make the same argument for any food that is cooked.
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I bet Aleister Crowley climbed while high on every drug thats how he levitated up the first 5.10 ever!
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grayzed
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Yes Aleister Crowly is well the most psycho climber ever and probably the most fuked up! 666
know what I mean :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: 66666666666666666666666
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grayzed
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wow I wrote that on page 6 of 6 know thats scary! :(
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bouldereldo
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Oh great, now we're all going to hell and it's all your fault :twisted:
And since Rockprodigy is involved he is too! Nice going grayzed!
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climbin_high
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Tool the band...absolutely fantastic.
Rockprodigy the tool... 8=D (_o_)
How's that for a correlation?
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Jul 16, 2004, 11:37 PM
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Wow man kewl topic.....I was gonna reply but I spaced out again,what were we talkin about anyway?
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[quote="climbin_high
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it's because we don't want our dicks to get small (or grow a dick if you're a chick.) Marijuana is not a 'drug', it's an herb man. Just like oregeno or thyme. Like was previously stated, 20th century propoganda and conservative stick-in-the-muds have tried every method possible to hide the truths of cannabis. Ah, the world we live in when PLANTS are illegal. Did the Gods make a mistake?
While I get stoned every once in a while, and I'm generally in favor of de-criminalizing pot, this post is hippie crap.
Cannibis may be a plant, but THC is a pyscho-active chemical. This means that smoking pot meets the general definition of taking a drug. Just because a substance is natural, doesn't mean it's not a drug. Botulin toxin is natural but will kill you just as well as artificially produced cyanide. And there are certainly natural hallucinogens that are as potent as PCP and LSD (some with equally bad side effects).
It's reasonable to argue that pot doesn't deserve it's reputation and the law enforcement attention it gets. But trying to argue that it's not a drug because its a plant is stupid and only makes people who are pro-marijuana look as if they've burned up their brain cells.
As far as the best stoned climber, well, that's a long list, about as long the list of best stoned surfers.
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Whoa whoa whoa there stevep(enis). I always enjoy a hearty chuckle when folks stereotype some of my pro-marijuana views as 'hippie crap' especially since I don't own a single String Cheese Incident or moe. CD. Man I really don't have anything else philosophically to say other than to reiterate that you are a penis. 8===D
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Oh Jeezuth... here we go again. To toke or not to toke. This has to be in the top 10 favorite useless things to debate on rc.com. Yes, ideally we should all be pure of mind and body, veritable icons of clean living. But then again, how boring would that be?
Rockprodigy - do you really equate smoking dope with taking steroids, or are you (successfully) trying to get a rise out of all the stoners? If I really wanted to treat my body like a toxic waste dump I'd spend more time eating fast food :wink:
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Hate to sound like a mom, but smoking/drinking while your climbing is about the dumbest thing anyone can do. I won't climb with anyone who has been doing either...no matter how well they climb. What is done after the day is over and we're just hangin' out around the fire is one thing (good lord knows I'll be trashed); but when I'm climbing it's a completely different story. That's it, I'm certain many other people have said the same thing, and there is no sense in beating a dead horse...although it might be fun.
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Climbing_high, as I said, I'm pro-marijuana as well. And maybe "hippie crap" was unfair, though you didn't also deny having Phish CDs.
But my point stands. You're being dumb if you think marijuana isn't a drug, and spouting on about plants and God does a disservice to serious pro-marijuana arguments (such as that it is an effective drug for controlling pain and nausea in cancer patients).
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u guys are nuts! it is CLIMBING for god's sake. Uhhhmmm. dangerous.
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Now we're talking Mr. Steve. I too agree that THC is an opiate and thusly should be considered a drug-type substance. As far as in association with climbing I have observed the major portion of chiefer/climbers are boulderers. Now I personally know sport climbers who will puff before a send but not that many. My personal theory is that much more work goes into any type of roped climbing, such as the duration and of course belaying. With the bouldering crowd, the minimal risk of injury and short problem (attention) span make for a better suited match for blazin' on a sunny afternoon. And like Forrest said, that's all I gotta say about that.
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The best way to do the drugs and climbing thing is to take the drugs, look for climbs that seem fun as they are changing colors and size. Then come back latter and climb it, all the while thinking how much easier the climb is if its not moving around on ya.
-Peace
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In reply to: Rockprodigy - do you really equate smoking dope with taking steroids, or are you (successfully) trying to get a rise out of all the stoners? If I really wanted to treat my body like a toxic waste dump I'd spend more time eating fast food
I don't think I would use the word "equate". I don't know much about either DRUG, that's why I am curious about you guys making a distinction. I consider myself to be a student of human nature.
It seems to me that all drugs have their side effects, so I guess it's a matter of "picking your poison". I'm guessing you guys don't consciously decide that sex drive is more important than brain function. I'm guessing you probably don't think about it at all, that's why I posed the question.
I'm surprised nobody has brought up the argument that marijuana is not performance enhancing. From what I have learned talking to people, it seems that for most people, its effects are detrimental to climbing, generally making people more scared, and less willing to "go for it". However, I know for some people, it can be very beneficial, because it creates the opposite effect, removing all inhibition, relaxing the climber and allowing for extremely bold ascents, ascents that would be very hard for a sober climber to duplicate.
Another argument I haven't heard yet, is that (as far as we know) pot isn't deadly. You can't really OD on it, like alcohol or other "drugs". So you could make the argument that smoking pot is "safer" than steroids. However, if you're going to climb stoned (and there are plenty who do), I think you can throw that argument out.
Oh yeah, Fast Food is bad for you too...Just say no to McD's.
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In reply to: I'm surprised nobody has brought up the argument that marijuana is not performance enhancing.
What difference does it make? People don't blaze to enhance their climbing performance anyway. They do it to alter their mental state. Simple as that.
I sometimes alter my mental state by having dinner at Ruth's Chris. Now that slab of meat IS NOT going to enhance my climbing performance yet I persist in occasionally eating there. I do it not because it is particularly good for me. I do it because it brings me enjoyment and because I feel like it.
I don't need to offer up lame excuses or defend my steak eating behavior. I acknowledge that some people are literally sickened by the thought of a meat dinner and would be appalled to hear my justifications for it. "How is that going to enhance your climbing?" Here's a news flash, I don't live my life in full simply to enhance my climbing performance.
Many folks try to correlate climbing and pot smoking, positively, negatively, what have you. What most of you don't seem to understand is THERE IS NO CORRELATION AT ALL. Whether it enhances or detracts is really not the point and using such logic to argue against the behavior isn't going to sway anyone.
Steroids on the other hand (I'm speaking out of school here as I don't do roids), don't give you a buzz, they seem to make you aggressive and perhaps angry and I hear tell prolonged usage causes heart attacks and what not. Yeah... a heart attack will do wonders for my climbing!
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i think climbers who take ibuprofen are weak minded losers.
go ahead, take your advil instead of coping with reality. i'll just be up here on my straight edge high horse, sending hard routes with a clear mind, free from the ache-reducing haze you ibuprofen freaks walk around in.
no way am i letting some ibuprofen-eating junkie belay me.
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In reply to: ...I too agree that THC is an opiate...
que?
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Ihave friends who have climbed very hard stoned and on mushrooms, and who have onsighted hard boulder problems on methamphetamines.
I do have a question though--people say some/most drugs don't have negative effects on your health overall, but have you ever seen a long time drug user that looked healthy?
Pot may be the exception to this, but I have seen alot of folks I used to know looking not so good in the last few years due in large part to their drug habits. Also, every been to Berkeley? do you really think all those street people were born crazy?
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In reply to: In reply to: ...I too agree that THC is an opiate... que?
Remember the first time you chiefed? I do. Twas' a blunt in my buddies bedroom while watching Jimi Hendrix Live at the Monterrey... What stands out in my mind was how STONED that I was. Good God I couldn't move at all and just sat there and wached James light his Strat on fire. Now though my body has developed a tolerance and no matter how much funk is smoked I could never reach that initial euphoric experience. Opiate is defined as a drug, hormone, or other chemical substance having sedative or narcotic effects similar to those containing opium. If you are a NOOB and toke it up, let me tell you that you can expect some freakin' extreme sedation! :D Anyway, go to the woods sometime and have yourself a puff. You can climb if you want but first just sit outside and listen to all of the natural sounds around you. I can guarantee that you will be at the upmost peak of inner peace. Be careful and HAVE FUN.
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In reply to: i think climbers who take ibuprofen are weak minded losers. go ahead, take your advil instead of coping with reality. i'll just be up here on my straight edge high horse, sending hard routes with a clear mind, free from the ache-reducing haze you ibuprofen freaks walk around in. no way am i letting some ibuprofen-eating junkie belay me.
bahaha.
OWNED.
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In reply to: THC is an opiate
Now I am by no means an expert on this but I believe opiate means derived from opium poppy (or poppy seeds) such as poppy tea, opium, heroin , morphine, percocet(sp), oxycontin, and a plethora of others.
THC is not an opiate as far as I know.
Also as for climbing stoned, I have been buildering and bouldering stoned. Never had any major differences there (other than we sat around a little more than we climbed).
I haven't done enough lead to have a chance yet but I probably will eventually smoke and climb. It's like doing anything sometimes you just have to pay more attention. I also find it easier to focus on somethings and I feel a little more loose while climbing. Could all be in my head but what the hell I enjoy it :)
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Marijuana is not an opiate. OMG. It's a stimulant. WTF. Didn't you people have health class in highschool?
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decaf
Aug 7, 2004, 12:06 AM
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I don't know if I would really call it a stimulant either.
Thought it is considered a appetite stimulant it also depresses other functions of the body.
Either way, Pot's not a drug.....it's just an attitude adjustment :)
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howlermonkey
Aug 11, 2004, 7:59 AM
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pywiak better check his sources before he spreads innuendo...Yerian is a very close friend of mine and told me just yesterday that John was sober as a judge for the BY, and had been for at least a year. He did emphatically state however that John was so focused on this route that his eyes just seemed to glow.
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rockrat511
Aug 11, 2004, 8:13 AM
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THC is neither an oppiate nor a stimulant. It is a depressant and has similar outward affects on your body as alcohol and opiates but is not molecularly similar to any oppiate. A trademark sign that someone has taken any type of depressant is relaxation of the facial muscles do to the drug impairing the ability to control those muscles.
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swede
Aug 11, 2004, 8:54 AM
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If such shit is common among climbers in the US - it´s no wonder I am having trouble understanding some of the opinions floating around in this forum.
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jcshaggy
Aug 11, 2004, 10:11 AM
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Anyone ever been to Malawi?Some good things happening there.I heard there is also a bit of climbing.
Anyway cool topic. I just chill at the crag and don't give a sh_t about what everybody is on.To each their own, and enjoy the ride!
Reach for the freakin' lasers!!!!
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glowering
Aug 11, 2004, 1:44 PM
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It's all about moderation.
To say 'you smoke pot, why don't you do steroids' is like saying 'you rock climb, why don't you free solo?'
Why would they make vaporizers and water pipes if (some) pot smokers didn't care about their health? And yes I know, water pipes serve another purpose too.
I know people who try to live their life stoned. Not good. I also know people who smoke a couple times of year at most.
I know people who have taken huge doses of any type of steroids they can get their hands on without thinking about their health. Not good. I also know people who had regular liver tests and taken just enough of specific types of steroids to get results while minimizing side effects.
Some drugs are more addictive than others. Some people have more addictive personalities than others. So if you drink 6 cups of coffee a day, you probably shouldn't try heroin.
It's the ignorant, hyprocritical "you do this, so you must be an addict" attitude that is lame. If you drink a beer once in a while are you an alcoholic? If you eat fast food once in a while are you obese?
I always felt the stupid "war on drugs" would have made sense if they just added one word to it: "the war on drug ABUSE".
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howlermonkey
Aug 11, 2004, 6:48 PM
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Friend of mine went to Malawi recently - whatever you do there DO NOT SWIM IN THE LAKE! The water in infested with bilharzia, that causes a disease called schistosomiasis: http://www.escargot.ch/personel/schisto.htm.
I know you're in SA, but you may want to check some US gov't sites - The Center for Disease Control: http://www.cdc.gov/ before traveling to any 3rd world countries. Also check out the CIAs "World Fact Book" for useful and up to date travel information and warnings: http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html
For up-to-date info from obscure places from people like you and me, check out the forums and postcards section at Lonely Planet: http://www.lonelyplanet.com
And be sure to tell us about the rock in Malawi!
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lucas_timmer
May 22, 2005, 4:07 PM
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What about climbing on coke or meth ???
That would probaply increase your performance A-LOT.
Ow and about all those stoned people in te U.S, it just shows that the war on drug DOESN'T decrease drug use but increases drug use.If you look at the only country in the world where it is alowed(My country :D ) it has 10x less marihuana users than in the U.S and 8x less than the U.K.
What a morron, that Bush guy...
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rockmonkey24
May 24, 2005, 9:26 PM
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i think this is funny because as i'm reading this thread there is a ad on the left side for a rehab clinic.
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nedsurf
May 24, 2005, 11:03 PM
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not true. the pioneers, i.e. Steck, Salathe, Robbins were pretty straight.
Warren was an alky. wasn't until the late sixties/early seventies that the Stonedmasters arrived.
So, when much of society was smoking up, tuning in, turning on, etc... the climbers were also doing the same. Sounds like its broader cultural thing, than just in the climbing community. Not to argue that climbers don't smoke, but because of this, it might not be BECAUSE they are climbers. :wink:
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pmyche
May 24, 2005, 11:17 PM
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In reply to: I always felt the stupid "war on drugs" would have made sense if they just added one word to it: "the war on drug ABUSE".
Agreed. WOD is about as sensible as "Drug Enforcement Agency." Quite ironic, considering the whack-a-mole mentality involved. Who's writing this sterling nomenclature?
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kydd76
Jun 28, 2005, 5:46 PM
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every one who climbs stoned. The one haven the most fun.
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knol
Jun 28, 2005, 6:31 PM
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:evil:
being a stoner isnt a bad thing, its not having the need to better one's self, which is the problem... its the people who work at 7-11 and come home, get stoned, sleep, and go back to work at 7-11 the next day. those are the poeple that give weed a bad name... but of course, they smoke me out, so its all good...
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tgreene
Jun 28, 2005, 6:43 PM
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I smoke on rare occassion these days, just because there are only specific times when I enjoy it... I almost always reserve it for trips to the mountains, whether it be climbing, caving, or a whitewater trip.
The last time that I thoroughly enjoyed smoking anything was a year ago when I happened to be climbing on my birthday. A local climber had some killer hash that he offerred me as we were sitting on a tiny ledge overlooking a river. About a hour later (and a bag of cookies) I roped up on a TR and began climbing a route that I hadn't yet tried... When I went to pull the over polished slippery as hell shiney marble like crux, I blew off of it and hung upside down because my feet were wedged tightly into a horizontal crack. I musta been funny as hell for the 5 or 6 others there to be watching, because I just hung there silently like a freakin bat, never saying anything, and just plotting my next few moves to get over the crux. I never did pull the crux of that route, nor did I really give a shit, because I was just enjoying the climb for what it was! 8^)
I like to smoke on whitewater, because of the intensity of the focus that I have. When the "fear factor" is taken away, I'll run Class-VI death slots all day long, knowing that the slightest fuckup will result in my demise... I'm not a good enough climber to do this on lead or especially soloing, but on the water I'm as solid as I need to be!
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arete
Jun 28, 2005, 7:17 PM
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When I lived in Yo back in the seventies, EVERY climber I knew was a stoner except maybe Werner (high on all that cosmic stuff) Braun. And I knew most of the locals. What was unusual was going climbing straight -- mostly occurred when we were down to seeds and stems. Hell, on Mescalito in '78, we smoked enough airplane weed to kill a laboratory rat. Never failed to catch my partner or have him catch me either.
About 16-17 years ago, I gave up all the controlled substance stuff and although I still drink a little (maybe 2 or 3 drinks a week on averaqe), I completely forget what its like to climb with the swifts and peregrins leaving trails all over the sky. But then again, if it wasn't for flashbacks, I wouldn't have any memory at all. Thirty three years of climbing and counting -- stoned or straight -- who cares? Only the days of joy matter.
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Jun 28, 2005, 7:48 PM
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In reply to: Ah, the world we live in when PLANTS are illegal. Did the Gods make a mistake?
Word brah. If it grows, it's good.
I'm not going to get into my opinion on natural drugs, but I think that a lot of the people posting in support of pot are doing more harm than good. I could barely understand the point of a couple of these posts.
Hippays.
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kydd76
Jun 28, 2005, 8:02 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Ah, the world we live in when PLANTS are illegal. Did the Gods make a mistake? Word brah. If it grows, it's good. I'm not going to get into my opinion on natural drugs, but I think that a lot of the people posting in support of pot are doing more harm than good. I could barely understand the point of a couple of these posts. Hippays. |
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kydd76
Jun 28, 2005, 8:13 PM
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I'm not going to get into my opinion on natural drugs, but I think that a lot of the people posting in support of pot are doing more harm than good. I could barely understand the point of a couple of these posts.
Hippays.you are right most of the these post make no sense, but does climbing? really Harding was right to many climbers take them self's way to serious. why because we put are d__K to the wind? shit have fun with life, and climbing. you link on other plants, Informative but still to what point. so we can all see how important you are to your self, lighten up.
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kydd76
Jun 28, 2005, 10:42 PM
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Really? this question was to have some fun. I smoke, drink, and climb so what. I do not at the same time. climbing lead me out of that drug seen. but like arete mentioned. in the day, every one had something the used as a crutch. Really does not one get a buzz from a highball are hairy trad.
F--*.we all might have to stop all the fun and get real jobs. it was about who was the best stoner climber. not all this spray about how bad pot is, are the law. Cigarette's are worse. best was, this hippie kid haven a good climbin time in Morrison.
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howweirddean
Jun 28, 2005, 11:56 PM
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What a stupid-ass question. If you are a stoner you are a loser.
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prezwoodz
Jun 29, 2005, 12:55 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Most of the more accomplished climbers that I know fall into two camps... 1. Really, really into getting really stoned/drunk. Often. And a lot. 2. Rarely if ever touch the stuff. Most of the people from the second camp are in recovery for their addictions though. Is it an addictive personality thing? I think so. This is an interesting statement. I don't think it's entirely true, but you will be hard pressed to find a climber who won't drink around the campfire at night. I've gotten into the habit of bringing an extra 12 pack of beer beyond what I can drink to give to anyone else who lacks my foresight. I've also been rather shocked by the sheer percentage of climbers who have at least some prior drug use history. I have yet to speak to a climber about weed, without them having stories about being baked. I'm not sure why the strong correlation between climbing and drug use. Perhaps we are just more open in discussing it? Travis
Ive Never Drank or Smoked Cigarretes and im Illergic to Pot. Never done any other kinds of drugs either. Im just boring i suppose ;) But i have never found a need for any of them. Ive always had fun without.
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