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oh noez!! Sungam iz posting from hiz fown! Pc++ anywhere, beetchez!

.... so we can officially kiss your college edumucation good bye?


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FTW!!!!

I wasn't even expecting that.


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Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.


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Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.

Did he short you? Blush


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Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.

Did he short you? Blush
Was he impressed with your rack?


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.

Did he short you? Blush
Was he impressed with your rack?

Did you put his nuts in your mouth?


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spikeddem wrote:
subantz wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.

Did he short you? Blush
Was he impressed with your rack?

Did you put his nuts in your mouth?
No, Yes, and not yet.


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epoch wrote:
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oh noez!! Sungam iz posting from hiz fown! Pc++ anywhere, beetchez!

.... so we can officially kiss your college edumucation good bye?
Nah. It's all good.


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FTW!!!!

I wasn't even expecting that.
Learn two cownt!


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Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.
Nice won.


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Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.

Did he short you? Blush
ha


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.

Did he short you? Blush
Was he impressed with your rack?
haha


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subantz wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.

Did he short you? Blush
Was he impressed with your rack?

Did you put his nuts in your mouth?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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sungam wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
subantz wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.

Did he short you? Blush
Was he impressed with your rack?

Did you put his nuts in your mouth?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Funny Sungram.
Anyone else see the Jersey Spammer.
How do I gets followed like a shadow and this asshat spammes a sticky thread and doesnt get the Banz.
I say Fuck a mod and the post disappears.
AND FUCK U MODS> U ALL SUCK COCK AND BALLS


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.

Did he short you? Blush
ha

Laugh


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Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.
Remember a woman AWAYS swallows.


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Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.
Remember a woman AWAYS swallows.

Maybe you should tell YOUR woman that!

You could be cragging instead of babysitting.


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subantz wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.
Remember a woman AWAYS swallows.

Maybe you should tell YOUR woman that!

You could be cragging instead of babysitting.
I made a throat baby.


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Kartessa wrote:
subantz wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.
Remember a woman AWAYS swallows.

Maybe you should tell YOUR woman that!

You could be cragging instead of babysitting.
I made a throat baby.

"I think you're the proof that conception really can happen from buttfucking, I really do."


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Well, back to Edinburgh tomorrow to start school again, I guess. I ticked off exactly 0 climbing goals on what has to be called my shittest climbing summer ever. Got a fair bit of road biking in, but mostly did fuck all. Kinda frustrated about that now but whatever.
How was everyone else's summer, in short? When I say "in short" I'm looking at YOU, Greg. I'm not in the mood for articles right now.


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Well, back to Edinburgh tomorrow to start school again, I guess. I ticked off exactly 0 climbing goals on what has to be called my shittest climbing summer ever. Got a fair bit of road biking in, but mostly did fuck all. Kinda frustrated about that now but whatever.
How was everyone else's summer, in short? When I say "in short" I'm looking at YOU, Greg. I'm not in the mood for articles right now.

Hmm. My summer. Where to begin...

Well this summer I AT NINE o'clock on the morning of September 11th 2001, President George Bush sat in an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida, listening to seven-year-olds read stories about goats. “Night fell on a different world,” he said of that day. And on a different America.At first, America and the world seemed to change together. “We are all New Yorkers now,” ran an e-mail from Berlin that day, mirroring John F. Kennedy's declaration 40 years earlier, “Ich bin ein Berliner”, and predicting Le Monde's headline the next day, “Nous sommes tous Américains”. And America, for its part, seemed to become more like other countries. Al-Qaeda's strikes, the first on the country's mainland by a foreign enemy, stripped away something unique: its aura of invulnerability, its sense of itself as a place apart, “the city on a hill”. wo days after the event, President George Bush senior predicted that, like Pearl Harbour, “so, too, should this most recent surprise attack erase the concept in some quarters that America can somehow go it alone.” Francis Fukuyama, a professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, suggested that “America may become a more ordinary country in the sense of having concrete interests and real vulnerabilities, rather than thinking itself unilaterally able to define the nature of the world it lives in.” oth men were thinking about foreign policy. But global terrorism changed America at home as well. Because it made national security more important, it enhanced the role of the president and the federal government. Twice as many Americans as in the 1990s now say that they are paying a lot of attention to national affairs, where they used to care more about business and local stories. Some observers noted “a return to seriousness”—and indeed frivolities do not dominate television news as they used to.But America has not become “a more ordinary country”, either in foreign policy or in the domestic arena. Instead, this survey will argue that the attacks of 2001 have increased “American exceptionalism”—a phrase coined by Alexis de Tocqueville in the mid-19th century to describe America's profound differences from other nations. The features that the attacks brought to the surface were already there, but the Bush administration has amplified them. As a result, in the past two years the differences between America and other countries have become more pronounced. et because America is not a homogeneous country—indeed, its heterogeneity is one of its most striking features—many of its people feel uneasy about manifestations of exceptionalism. Hence, as this survey will also argue, the revival and expansion of American exceptionalism will prove divisive at home. This division will define domestic politics for years to come. Not all New Yorkers any more From the outside, the best indication of American exceptionalism is military power. America spends more on defence than the next dozen countries combined. In the nearest approach to an explicit endorsement of exceptionalism in the public domain, the National Security Strategy of 2002 says America must ensure that its current military dominance—often described as the greatest since Rome's—is not even challenged, let alone surpassed. In fact, military might is only a symptom of what makes America itself unusual. The country is exceptional in more profound ways. It is more strongly individualistic than Europe, more patriotic, more religious and culturally more conservative (see chart 1). Al-Qaeda's assaults stimulated two of these deeper characteristics. In the wake of the attacks, expressions of both love of country and love of God spiked. This did not necessarily mean Americans suddenly became more patriotic or religious. Rather, the spike was a reminder of what is important to them. It was like a bolt of lightning, briefly illuminating the landscape but not changing it. The president seized on these manifestations of the American spirit. The day after he had defined America's enemies in his “axis of evil” speech, in January 2002, Mr Bush told an audience in Daytona Beach, Florida, about his country's “mission” in the world. “We're fighting for freedom, and civilisation and universal values.” That is one strand of American exceptionalism. America is the purest example of a nation founded upon universal values, such as democracy and human rights. It is a standard-bearer, an exemplar. But the president went further, seeking to change America's culture and values in ways that would make the country still more distinctive. “We've got a great opportunity,” he said at Daytona. “As a result of evil, there's some amazing things that are taking place in America. People have begun to challenge the culture of the past that said, ‘If it feels good, do it'. This great nation has a chance to help change the culture.” He was appealing to old-fashioned virtues of personal responsibility, self-reliance and restraint, qualities associated with a strand of exceptionalism that says American values and institutions are different and America is exceptional in its essence, not just because it is a standard-bearer. On this view, America is not exceptional because it is powerful; America is powerful because it is exceptional. And because what makes America different also keeps it rich and powerful, an administration that encourages American wealth and power will tend to encourage intrinsic exceptionalism. Walter Russell Mead of the Council on Foreign Relations dubs this impulse “American revivalism”. It is not an explicit ideology but a pattern of beliefs, attitudes and instincts. The Bush administration displays “exceptionalist” characteristics to an unusual extent. It is more openly religious than any of its predecessors. Mr Bush has called Jesus his favourite philosopher. White House staff members arrange Bible study classes. The president's re-election team courts evangelical Protestant voters. The administration wants religious institutions to play a bigger role in social policy. It also wears patriotism on its sleeve. That is not to say it is more patriotic than previous governments, but it flaunts this quality more openly, using images of the flag on every occasion and relishing America's military might to an unusual extent. More than any administration since Ronald Reagan's, this one is focused narrowly on America's national interest. Related to this is a certain disdain for “old Europe” which goes beyond frustrations over policy. By education and background, this is an administration less influenced than usual by those bastions of transatlanticism, Ivy League universities. One-third of President Bush senior's first cabinet secretaries, and half of President Clinton's, had Ivy League degrees. But in the current cabinet the share is down to a quarter. For most members of this administration, who are mainly from the heartland and the American west (Texas especially), Europe seems far away. They have not studied there. They do not follow German novels or French films. Indeed, for many of them, Europe is in some ways unserious. Its armies are a joke. Its people work short hours. They wear sandals and make chocolate. Europe does not capture their imagination in the way that China, the Middle East and America itself do. Mr Bush's own family embodies the shift away from Euro-centrism. His grandfather was a senator from Connecticut, an internationalist and a scion of Brown Brothers Harriman, bluest of blue-blooded Wall Street investment banks. His father epitomised the transatlantic generation. Despite his Yale education, he himself is most at home on his Texas ranch. Looked at this way, the Bush administration's policies are not only responses to specific problems, or to demands made by interest groups. They reflect a certain way of looking at America and the world. They embody American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism is nothing new. But it is getting sharper “EVERYTHING about the Americans,” said Alexis de Tocqueville, “is extraordinary, but what is more extraordinary still is the soil that supports them.” America has natural harbours on two great oceans, access to one of the world's richest fishing areas, an abundance of every possible raw material and a huge range of farmed crops, from cold-weather to tropical. Not only is it the fourth-largest country in the world, but two-thirds of it is habitable, unlike Russia or Canada. Any country occupying America's space on the map would be likely to be unusual. But as de Tocqueville also said, “Physical causes contribute less [to America's distinctiveness] than laws and mores.” In his 1995 book “American Exceptionalism,” Seymour Martin Lipset enumerates some of these laws and social features. In terms of income per head, America is the wealthiest large industrial country. It is also the only western democracy to have practised slavery in the industrial era. It has the highest crime rate and highest rate of imprisonment (though crime, at least, is falling towards European levels). Its society is among the most religious in the world. Perhaps less obviously, Americans are more likely than almost anyone else to join voluntary associations. America has a highly decentralised political system, with federal, state and local governments all collecting their own taxes, writing their own laws and administering their own affairs. Its federal government spends a relatively low share of national income. The country has more elective offices than any other, including, in some states, those of judges, which means that in each four-year cycle America holds about 1m elections. Not surprisingly, perhaps, it also has one of the lowest voter turn-outs, making it at once the most and the least democratic democracy. It has no large socialist party, and never has had. Nor has it ever had a significant fascist movement. Unlike conservative parties in Europe, its home-grown version has no aristocratic roots. America has one of the lowest tax rates among rich countries, the least generous public services, the highest military spending, the most lawyers per head, the highest proportion of young people at universities and the most persistent work ethic. But the term “exceptionalism” is more than a description of how America differs from the rest of the world. It also encompasses the significance of those differences and the policies based upon them. People have been searching for some wider meaning to the place since its earliest days. In 1630, the year the Massachusetts Bay Company was founded, John Winthrop, the colony's governor, described his new land as “a city upon a hill, the eyes of all people are upon us.” And as they have looked, people have found two quite different reasons for thinking that America is special. One is that it is uniquely founded on principles to which any country can aspire. In 1787, Alexander Hamilton wrote in the first Federalist Paper that “It seems to have been reserved to the people of this country, by their conduct and example, to decide the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force.” That is America-as-model. George Bush has embraced the idea. Commemorating the first anniversary of the attacks of September 11th 2001, he said that “the ideal of America is the hope of all mankind.” He was echoing Lincoln, who called America “the last, best hope of earth”. But exceptionalism has another meaning: that America is intrinsically different from other countries in its values and institutions, and is therefore not necessarily a model. Thomas Jefferson said that “Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours are perhaps more peculiar than those of any other in the universe.” In 1929, Jay Lovestone, the head of the American communist party, was summoned to Moscow. Stalin demanded to know why the worldwide communist revolution had advanced not one step in the largest capitalist country. Lovestone replied that America lacked the preconditions for communism, such as feudalism and aristocracy. No less an authority than Friedrich Engels had said the same thing, talking of “the special American conditions...which make bourgeois conditions look like a beau idéal to them.” So had an Italian Marxist, Antonio Gramsci, and a British socialist, H.G. Wells, who had both argued that America's unique origins had produced a distinctive value system and unusual politics. Lovestone was purged, but his argument still has force: America is exceptional partly because it is peculiar. As usual, de Tocqueville had thought about both meanings of exceptionalism before anyone else. In his book “Democracy in America”, he described not only what is particular to democracy, especially the way in which it changes how people think and act (what he calls “the quiet action of society upon itself”). He also described what was, and is, particular to America: its size, the institutions it had inherited from England, its decentralised administration. These two versions of American exceptionalism have more in common than might appear at first sight. Both suggest that the experience of America is open to others. The idea of America-as-model implies that other countries can come to be more like America, though American differences may still persist over time. The idea that America is intrinsically different is also consistent with the notion that outsiders can become American, but they must go there to do it and become citizens—hence America's extraordinary capacity to assimilate immigrants. There are three points to grasp from this gallop through the history of American exceptionalism. First, it is, as Mr Lipset put it, a double-edged sword. It helps explain the best and the worst about the country: its business innovation and its economic inequality; its populist democracy and its low voter turn-out; its high spending on education and its deplorable rates of infant mortality and teenage pregnancy. Exceptionalism is often used either as a boast or as a condemnation—though in reality it is neither. Second, the two strands help explain why exceptionalism is divisive within America itself. Most Americans are doubtless proud of the “exemplary” qualities of their country. But the non-exemplary, more peculiar features do not always command universal approval. Third, there should be nothing surprising, or necessarily disturbing, in a revival of exceptionalism. America has almost always been seen as different. The question is: has anything changed recently? Unparallel tracks It is always risky to proclaim a break in a trend. Yet evidence is growing that, over the past decade or so, America has been changing in ways that do make it more different from its allies in Europe, and September 11th has increased this divergence. Most of the previous half-century was a period of convergence. Between 1945 and about 1990, America and Europe seemed to be growing more like one another in almost every way that matters. Economically, Europe began the post-war period in ruins. According to Angus Maddison, an economic historian, in 1950 average incomes in western Europe were 54% of American ones. By the early 1990s, the ratio had passed 80%. Richer EU countries now boast a standard of living comparable to America's. Until the mid-1980s, America and Europe also both had stable populations, declining fertility rates and growing numbers of old people. In the 1960s, America moved closer towards European levels of government spending through the Great Society programmes. This was the start of Medicaid for the poor and, later, increased regulation of industry through bodies like the Environmental Protection Agency. With Watergate and the Vietnam war, America started to approach European levels of cynicism about government and military intervention abroad. In 1976, a sociologist, Daniel Bell, wrote a book whose title encapsulated the conventional wisdom of the time: “The End of American Exceptionalism”. Later changes seemed to prove him right. In the 1980s, European countries started to organise their economies on more American lines. Governments privatised and deregulated. Companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange, set up NASDAQ clones and started using share prices to measure a company's or manager's performance. In politics, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were both engaged in similar projects to shrink the size of the state. Bill Clinton (who was wildly popular in Europe) proclaimed himself a paid-up member of the largely European “third way”. When communism collapsed, Mr Fukuyama hailed “The End of History”. Countries, he argued, would henceforth tend to become more alike, more democratic, more liberal, more globalised. There would be less exceptionalism, of the American or any other kind. But things did not work out that way in foreign affairs, and other sorts of convergence may be coming to an end, too. The demographic differences are now startling. Around 1985, America's fertility rate bottomed out and began to rise again. It is now at almost two children per woman, just below the replacement level of 2.1, and looks set to rise further. Europe's fertility rate is below 1.4 and falling. Even China's is 1.8, and its birth rate is dropping fast. At the moment, the EU's population is considerably larger than America's—380m against 280m—and will grow further with enlargement next year. China's is nearly four times as large as America's. But on current trends, by the middle of this century America's population could be 440m-550m, larger than the EU's even after enlargement, and nearly half China's, rather than a quarter. America will also be noticeably younger then and ethnically more varied. At the moment, its median age is roughly the same as Europe's (36 against 38). By 2050, according to Bill Frey of the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, America's median age will still be around 36, but Europe's will have risen to 53 (and China's will be 44). In the 1990s, America took in the largest number of immigrants it had ever seen in one decade: 33m people now living in the country were born outside it, and Latinos have become the largest ethnic group. “America,” says Hania Zlotnik of the United Nations Population Division, “is the world's great demographic outlier.” Then there is the technology gap. Each year, more patents are applied for in America than in the European Union. America has almost three times as many Nobel prize-winners than the next country (Britain), and spends more on research and development than any other country. On one measure of academic performance, over 90 of the world's top 100 universities are in America. Europe and America have also been diverging economically, though one should be cautious about that. In the seven years from 1995 to 2001, real GDP rose by 3.3% a year in America but by only 2.5% a year in the European Union. The bursting of the stockmarket bubble and the subsequent recession reversed this pattern—in 2001, GDP growth was higher in Europe than America—but the gap opened up again as the economies recovered. On current estimates and forecasts, growth in America in the three years to 2004 will average 1.3 percentage points a year more than in the 12-country euro area. Some 60% of the world's economic growth since 1995 has come from America. These relative economic gains may be reversed. It is hard to see how the country can sustain both its huge trade and budget deficits. On the other hand, its growth in the 1990s reflected a big improvement in productivity, which rose by over 2% a year in the 1990s. The number of hours worked also rose. In 1982, Europeans and Americans put in roughly the same number of hours each year. Now, Americans work a daunting 300 hours a year more. These divergences began at different times and for different reasons. The demographic gap began to open up as long ago as the mid-1980s. Economies started to diverge in the mid-1990s. Even in the area most relevant to the terrorist attacks—foreign policy—the roots of transatlantic differences arguably go back to the fall of communism in 1989-91. September 11th did not create these tensions, but it dramatised some of them. The attacks took place at a time when America was governed by an administration already less engaged in Europe than any in recent history, and when almost all the other measures were, for the first time in 50 years, pointing in the same direction—away from Europe, as well as from much of the rest of the world. If this pattern continues, America may be entering a period of even greater dominance in world affairs. That alone makes American exceptionalism of more than domestic importance. American power will be divisive abroad—but it will also bring conflict at home, because a significant portion of Americans does not believe that the era of convergence is over. When Howard Dean, a Democratic presidential candidate, said that “We won't always have the strongest military,” he was slapped down by his own party as well as by Republicans. But he touched a nerve. The next section will explain how exceptionalism divides America as well as defining it. American values divide as well as define the country THE new National Constitution Centre in Philadelphia stands three blocks from where the Declaration of Independence and the American constitution were adopted. Post-it notes are dotted around the museum for visitors to reply to questions such as “What does it mean to be an American?”“It means I have a responsibility and obligation to protect my freedom and that of my children,” runs one typical reply. Or: “It means to say when I disagree.” Or: “Sometimes it means unbridled capitalism.” To a second question, “Should the ten commandments be displayed in public buildings?” the replies range from, “They are the foundational laws for the constitution” to, “We have the right to freedom from religion.” And to a third, “What makes you feel free?”, they include: “Our military forces willing to give their lives for mine”; “Not to have to think about it”; or simply, “USA rocks!” American values are distinctive, but not uniformly so. Patriotism and religious faith are unusually strong. Americans stress personal responsibility rather than collective goals. Many are fairly conservative in their social opinions and are somewhat more likely than Europeans to disapprove of divorce, abortion and homosexuality. Yet people on both sides of the Atlantic find international terrorism and the spread of weapons of mass destruction equally worrying. And Americans are in some ways more open than Europeans—or were, until the terrorist attacks of 2001 made them less welcoming—in their greater approval of immigration and the value of “other cultures”. It is this particular combination of values, as much as strong patriotism or religiosity, that really makes America stand out. Begin with an area of clear difference: attitudes to the role of government in a free market. People in almost every country surveyed by the Pew Research Centre in 2003 say they are better off in a free-market economy. But asked which is more important—that the government should guarantee no one is in need, or that it should not constrain the pursuit of personal goals—Europeans in both east and west come down roughly two-thirds/one-third in favour of a safety net, whereas Americans split two-thirds/one-third the other way. However, when asked, “Does the government control too much of your daily life? Is it usually inefficient and wasteful?”, two-thirds of respondents on both sides of the Atlantic say yes. So the differences seem to have less to do with the way that governments are viewed, and more to do with Americans' belief in the importance of individual effort. Pew's pollsters sought to measure this belief by asking people in 44 countries, “Do you agree or disagree that success is determined by forces outside your control?” In most countries, fewer than half thought that success was within their control. In only two did more than 60% consider success a matter of individual effort: Canada and, by the widest margin, the United States. In other areas, American exceptionalism is less clear-cut. For example, nine out of ten Americans say they are very patriotic, according to Pew. But Indians, Nigerians and Turks are equally patriotic. Among wealthy nations, Americans are also the most likely to go to church and to say God is very important in their lives, but again Indians, Nigerians and Turks are more religious than Americans. Lots of Americans like to buy products that shout, “I'm large. I'm loud. I'm ready for anything,” such as army assault vehicles lightly disguised as cars, or outdoor grills the size of small kitchens, or Arnold Schwarzenegger. David Brooks, a New York Times columnist, calls this “getting in touch with your inner longshoreman”. Yet at the same time Americans seem to be developing a more restrained side. They are just as likely as Europeans to say that people with AIDS should not be discriminated against. Support for the idea that “women should return to traditional roles in society” has fallen from just under a third in the late 1980s to about a fifth now, roughly the same as in Europe. Both Americans and Europeans overwhelmingly disagree that when jobs are scarce men should be given priority. Americans are slightly less likely than Europeans to find homosexuality socially acceptable, and less likely to support gay marriage, but tolerance of gays is on the increase (see chart 3). Americans also tend to be fairly positive about the contribution of immigrants to society, whereas in most of the rest of the industrial world more than half the population thinks immigrants are bad for their countries. These differences and similarities are best understood as values arranged along two spectrums of opinion. One spectrum, says the World Values Survey of the University of Michigan (which invented the idea), measures “traditional values”. The most important of these is patriotism; others concern religion and traditional family ties. Americans tend to be traditionalists. A remarkable 80% say they hold “old-fashioned values” about family and marriage. At the other end of this spectrum are “secular-rational” values, for whose adherents religion is a personal, optional matter, patriotism is not a big concern and children have their own lives to lead. Europeans tend to be secular-rationalists. On this spectrum, America is indeed exceptional. The other spectrum measures “quality of life” attitudes. At one end of it are the values and opinions people hold when economic and physical insecurity dominates their lives, as often happens in poor countries. This makes them suspicious of outsiders, cautious about changing patterns of work and reluctant to engage in political activity. At the other end are values of self-expression involving the acceptance of a wide range of behaviour. On this score, Americans and Europeans are similar, because neither group is engaged in a struggle for survival any more. But the two spectrums together suggest that there is a “values gap” within America itself too. In Europe, countries have become both more secular and more “self-expressive” as they have got richer. In America, this did not happen. That has profound implications. E pluribus duo In 1999, Gertrude Himmelfarb, a social historian, argued that America is becoming “One Nation, Two Cultures”. One is religious, puritanical, family-centred and somewhat conformist. The other is tolerant, hedonistic, secular, predominantly single and celebrates multiculturalism. These value judgments are the best predictor of political affiliation, far better than wealth or income. In the 2000 election, 63% of those who went to church more than once a week voted for George Bush; 61% of those who never went voted for Al Gore. About 70% of those who said abortion should always be available voted for Mr Gore; 74% of those who said it should always be illegal voted for Mr Bush. As Pete du Pont, a former governor of Delaware, pointed out, a map showing the sales and rentals of porn movies bore an eerie resemblance to the map of the 2000 election results. America, it is said, can live together because Americans live apart. The two cultures occupy different worlds. Traditionalists are concentrated in a great L-shape on the map, the spine of the Rockies forming its vertical arm, its horizontal one cutting a swathe through the South. With a couple of exceptions, all these “red states” voted for Mr Bush in 2000. The rest of the country is more secular. This includes the Pacific coast and the square outlined by the big L, consisting of the north-eastern and upper mid-western states. With a few exceptions, these “blue states” voted for Mr Gore in 2000. Their differences are deeply entrenched. Traditionalists are heavily concentrated in smaller towns and rural areas. Secularists dominate big cities. Southerners tend to be a bit more religious, a bit more socially conservative and more supportive of a strong military stance than the rest of the country. Intriguingly, black southerners are more conservative than blacks elsewhere, though less conservative than their white neighbours. The political effect of these differences is increasing. For historical reasons (Republicans having been the anti-slavery party in the civil war), white southerners were part of the Democratic coalition, circumscribing for many years the political impact of southern conservatism. Now, as the region becomes more Republican, that conservatism is getting noisier. In contrast, multiculturalism is deeply entrenched in blue states. The states with the highest levels of immigration of Latinos and Asians include New York, New Jersey, New Mexico and California—what Mr Frey calls America's new melting-pots. Mr Gore won all of them, except Texas and Florida. These were special cases: both had governors called Bush; both had seen the largest inflow from other parts of America of white immigrants, who tend to be more conservative. The differences between the two Americas seem to be getting sharper. A new survey of American values by Pew finds greater social and sexual tolerance, yet also more strictness on matters of personal morality. The number of people saying they completely agree that there are clear and universal guidelines about good and evil has risen from one-third to two-fifths in the space of 15 years. One of America's characteristic features is its sunny optimism, the sense that anything is possible. Yet there is an 18-point gap between the number of Democrats and Republicans who agree with the statement “I don't believe there are any real limits to growth in this country today.” Democrats are usually keener than Republicans to urge the administration to pay attention to domestic issues. This gap has widened from three points in 1997 to 16 points now. On America's role in the world, the importance of military strength and patriotism itself, the gap between the parties has never been wider. So if there is a revival of exceptionalism—in the sense both of greater divergence from other countries, and of policies based on it—it will be controversial. Red states are likely to welcome it. Blue states probably will not. But there are complicating factors. The red-blue split implies that two tribes are forming, with people within each of them thinking more or less alike. In reality, things are rarely that clear-cut. In his book “A California State of Mind”, published in 2002, Mark Baldassare of the Public Policy Institute in San Francisco showed that voters in that state do not fit the bifurcated pattern of the 2000 election. California is one of the most solidly Democratic (blue) states. Most voters call themselves socially liberal and environmentally friendly, which seem like “European” attributes. Yet in other ways California is as unEuropean as you can get, a place of swirling ethnicities that looks towards Latin America and Asia. Californians wanted the large tax revenues the state had generated during the boom years of the 1990s to be spent on social programmes, rather than handed back in tax cuts—again, a European impulse. Yet, in flat contradiction, they did not want their state government to grow because they did not trust politicians to spend the money wisely—an exceptionalist, American characteristic. powerpoint sermons in a traditional church, you can: they are piped into one by video link. Or you can watch the service on huge video screens while sipping a cappuccino in an outdoor café. But in case you think this is religion lite, Rick Warren, the pastor, will quickly encourage you to join one of the thousands of smaller groups that are the real life of the church. Saddleback members will help you find a school, a friend, a job or God. There is a “Geeks for God” club of Cisco employees, and a mountain-bike club where they pray and pedal. To Europeans, religion is the strangest and most disturbing feature of American exceptionalism. They worry that fundamentalists are hijacking the country. They find it extraordinary that three times as many Americans believe in the virgin birth as in evolution. They fear that America will go on a “crusade” (a term briefly used by Mr Bush himself) in the Muslim world or cut aid to poor countries lest it be used for birth control. The persistence of religion as a public force is all the more puzzling because it seems to run counter to historical trends. Like the philosophers of the Enlightenment, many Europeans argue that modernisation is the enemy of religion. As countries get richer, organised religion will decline. Secular Europe seems to fit that pattern. America does not. In fact, points out Peter Berger, head of the Institute on Religion and World Affairs at Boston University, few developing countries have shown signs of religious decline as their standards of living have risen. It may be Europe that is the exception here, not America. There is no doubt, though, that America is the most religious rich country. Over 80% of Americans say they believe in God, and 39% describe themselves as born-again Christians. Furthermore, 58% of Americans think that unless you believe in God, you cannot be a moral person. There is also some evidence that private belief is becoming more intense. The Pew Research Centre reported that the number of those who “agree strongly” with three articles of faith (belief in God, in judgment day and in the importance of prayer in daily life) rose by seven to ten points in 1965-2003. In the late 1980s, two-fifths of Protestants described themselves as “born again”; now the figure is over half. The importance of religion in America goes well beyond personal belief. Back in the 1960s, Gallup polls found that 53% of Americans thought churches should not be involved in politics, and 22% thought members of the clergy should not even mention candidates for public office from the pulpit. By 1996, these numbers had reversed: 54% thought it was fine for churches to talk about political and social issues, and 20% thought even stump speeches were permissible in church. For God and Republicanism These shifts in opinion have given a boost to one particular group of churches: evangelical Protestants. They embrace a variety of denominations, including Baptist, Confessional and Pentecostal churches, all of which stress individual salvation and the word of the Bible rather than sacraments or established doctrine. In 1987, they were the third-largest religious group in America, with a membership of 24% of the adult population; now they are the largest, with 30%. The percentage of Catholics has stayed stable, largely thanks to Latino immigrants, but established Protestant churches, such as Presbyterians, have declined sharply. A marriage of church and politics Evangelical Protestants bear out the European view that religion in America is politically active, socially conservative and overwhelmingly Republican. Almost two-thirds of committed evangelicals—the ones who attend church most frequently and say they hold strictly to the Bible—describe themselves as conservative, by far the largest proportion of any religious group. They are also more likely than other churchgoers to rate social and cultural issues as important, somewhat more likely to say homosexuality should be discouraged, and most likely to want to rein in the scope of government. Over time, evangelicals have become more willing to engage in politics, too. White evangelical Protestants represent almost a third of registered voters now, up from slightly below a quarter in 1987. Their leaders have tried to unite the various evangelical churches as a political force, establishing the Moral Majority in 1979 and the Christian Coalition in 1989. Their comments speak for themselves. Franklin Graham (Billy's son) called Islam “a wicked religion”. The former president of the Southern Baptist Convention called the Prophet Muhammad “a demon-possessed pedophile”. Such political activism, the growth of new churches and the increased intensity of belief has led some to argue that America may be in the early stages of a fourth Great Awakening, a period of religious fervour when the variety, vigour, size and public involvement of religious groups suddenly increases. Earlier awakenings occurred in the late colonial period, the 1820s and the late 19th century. Might the same thing be happening again? The evidence seems to be against it. Church attendance has not been increasing, as a new awakening would suggest. The Gallup organisation found that it fell slowly in the 1960s and 1970s, stabilised in 1980 and has remained level since then, with about two-thirds of the population claiming membership of a church. These findings are based on how often people say they go to church, something they tend to exaggerate. But a collection of records from the churches themselves, summarised by Harvard University's Robert Putnam, shows the same pattern (see chart 4). So do figures from the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, which show that in 2000 some 141m Americans—or half the population—were members of a church. That is a lot, but it falls well short of the four-fifths who believe in God as a private matter. And it is active churchgoing that makes the difference between private belief and public consequences. Even among fundamentalist Protestants, public influence is patchy. There was, for example, no huge turn-out of conservative Christians in the 1998 mid-term elections, even though the Lewinsky scandal infuriated religious voters. After President Bill Clinton's impeachment and acquittal, Paul Weyrich, a leader of the Moral Majority, wrote to the Washington Post to say that conservative Christians had “lost the culture wars”—hardly evidence of growing influence. It is not even clear how important religion is in determining the political and social views of evangelical Protestants. The largest concentration of these churches is in the South, among whites. But white southerners held conservative views on homosexuality, government, defence and so on long before the Moral Majority was invented. It is just as likely that social conservatism has encouraged evangelical churches as the other way around. The Pew study tried to disentangle the role of religion in determining churchgoers' views from other factors, and found that only in social and cultural attitudes (on matters like abortion and homosexuality) was religion alone a powerful factor. Even there, broader demographic factors were more important. Don't believe a word of it Lastly, although the number and membership of charismatic churches has certainly grown, there has been an offsetting increase in those who describe themselves as of no religion at all. Since 1960, the number of self-described secularists (atheists, agnostics and those not affiliated to any organised religion) has roughly doubled. According to a survey by the City University of New York (CUNY), 14% of Americans between 18 and 34 describe themselves as “secular” and a further 9% as “somewhat secular”. Secularists are more likely to live on the Pacific coast or in the north-east, in a city, have a college degree, be male, single, and either lean towards the Democrats or be politically independent. Committed evangelicals are more likely to live in the south, vote Republican, lack a college degree, live in towns or rural areas, and be female and married. In other words, America looks like two tribes, one religious and one secular. But the really distinctive feature of American religion is the area in the middle. Most Americans do not become members of a church to sign up for a crusade or to sit in judgment on miserable sinners. For them, churchgoing is a matter of personal belief, not conservative activism. Their religion is mild. In 1965, according to Gallup, half of respondents said the most important purpose of their church was to teach people to live better lives. Since then, the share has grown to almost three-quarters. This is the biggest change in America's religious life in the past 40 years. Alan Wolfe, of the Boisi Institute for the Study of Religion at Boston College, points out that American religion is exceptional in two senses: not only are Americans more religious than Europeans, but they have no national church. Thanks to the separation of church and state, the country has nothing comparable to, say, the Catholic churches of Italy and Spain, or the Church of England. Americans are members of sects. The two kinds of religious exceptionalism are connected. Rather as in the economic sphere competing private companies tend to produce wealth and activity, whereas monopoly firms have the opposite effect, so in the religious sphere competing sects generate a ferment of activity and increased levels of belief, whereas state churches produce indifference. This has implications for the quality of American belief. Churches come and go with astonishing speed. The statisticians of American religious bodies tracked 187 denominations (and there were many more) between 1990 and 2000; in that time 37 disappeared and 54 new ones appeared on the scene. Adherents and pastors, too, are constantly on the move. One study found that half the pastors of so-called “mega-churches” (suburban ones like Saddleback, with Sunday congregations of 2,000 or more) have moved from another denomination. According to the CUNY study, 16% of American adults—33m people—say they have switched denominations. For some churches the share of new adherents was startlingly high. In 2001, 30% of Pentecostalists had joined from another church and 19% had left; among Presbyterians, 24% came in and 25% went out. Such churning limits doctrinal purism, which might otherwise be expected in a new church. Instead, churches try to attract floating believers—what Wade Clark Roof, a sociologist, calls “a generation of seekers”. According to Mr Wolfe, American churches are therapeutic, not judgmental. They stress “soft” qualities such as guidance and mutual help, not “hard” ones like sin and damnation. This means that the charismatic and evangelical churches are not typical of the whole of religious life in America. If the pattern of public opinion in general is bell-shaped, that of religious belief has the profile of a Volkswagen Beetle: a bump of evangelical Protestants at the front, a bigger bulge of uncensorious congregations in the middle and a stubby secular tail. That must temper the notion that religion is running amok in America, or that it is causing America to run amok in the world. At Saddleback church, Rick Warren preaches that abortion is wrong. On a recent Sunday, anti-abortion groups lobbied for their cause as parishioners left church. Mr Warren told them not to return. He agreed with their views, but members of his church, and newcomers, might not. He did not want abortion to get between members and the more important matter of their relationship with God. American patriotism is different from the European variety HERMANIO BERMANIS holds up his right hand to take the oath of American citizenship. Half a million do the same every year, but this ceremony is unusual. It is being held in the Walter Reed military hospital, in the presence of two cabinet members, because Army Specialist Bermanis, who was born in Micronesia, had both legs and his left arm blown off on active service in Iraq. His right hand is all he has to hold up. The ceremony gave expression to a powerful sentiment: American patriotism. As de Tocqueville noted long ago, “The inhabitants of the United States speak much of their love for their native country.” Seymour Martin Lipset begins his book on American exceptionalism with a remark unusual for an academic: “I write as a proud American.” In a new survey of American values by the Pew Research Centre, fully 91% of Americans say they are very patriotic. Europeans have long been bothered by this feature of American life. De Tocqueville again: “There is nothing more annoying...than this irritable patriotism of the Americans.” But since September 11th the Europeans have become even more disturbed. They associate patriotism with militarism, intolerance and ethnic strife. No wonder they consider it an alarming quality in the world's most powerful country. Yet European and American patriotism are different. Patriotic Europeans take pride in a nation, a tract of land or a language they are born into. You cannot become un-French. In contrast, patriotic Americans have a dual loyalty: both to their country and to the ideas it embodies. “He loved his country,” said Lincoln of Henry Clay, “partly because it was his own country, but mostly because it was a free country.” As the English writer G.K. Chesterton said in 1922, America is the only country based on a creed, enshrined in its constitution and declaration of independence. People become American by adopting the creed, regardless of their own place of birth, parentage or language. And you can become un-American—by rejecting the creed. This dual character softens American patriotism. “My country, right or wrong” may be an American phrase (it comes from a toast by Stephen Decatur, an American naval hero), but only one American in two agrees with it, according to the Pew survey. Only two years after September 11th, fewer than half the respondents supported the statement that “We should try to get even with any country that tries to take advantage of the United States.” However, there is one trend in American opinion that should give pause for thought. Republicans have long been slightly more likely than Democrats to say they are intensely patriotic, but the gap has widened dramatically, and is now by far the largest on record. In 2003, 71% of Republicans said they were intensely patriotic, compared with only 48% of Democrats. An even larger gap has opened up in responses to the proposition that “The best way to ensure peace is through military strength.” The number of Democrats who agreed with that sentiment slumped from 55% in 2002 to 44% this year. The intensity gap may well reflect differing attitudes to the war in Iraq, the domestic effects of which will presumably fade with time. But the gap may also be an early indication of a more lasting split: over the passion of loyalty, and what counts as “real” patriotism.American politics has become more partisan, and nastier THE 2000 election was the third dead-heat in a row. In votes for the House of Representatives, the widest margin of victory between 1996 and 2000 was a mere 1.3 percentage points. Essentially, every presidential and House election came out at a dead heat, 49:49. The 2002 mid-term elections brought a change. In House races, Republicans won 51% of the popular vote, Democrats 46%. As Michael Barone, a political journalist, points out, statistically this margin was not significant, but politically it had a big impact. Republicans captured the Senate, the first time the president's party had ever won the upper chamber at this point in the electoral cycle. They gained 141 seats in statehouses, giving Republicans a majority of state legislators for the first time since 1952. The party kept its majority among state governors. In Washington, it controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency. The victory was highly unusual: most mid-term elections punish the incumbent party, especially at times of economic weakness. But does it presage a bigger electoral breakthrough, the beginning of the end of the 50-50 nation? It might. Ever since the New Deal, there have been more registered Democrats than Republicans. In the four years before September 11th, according to the Pew Research Centre, Democrats held a small advantage in party identification (34% of registered voters described themselves as Democrats, 28% as Republicans). But immediately after the terrorist attacks Democratic affiliation dropped sharply, and in the past two years the parties have been roughly balanced. There was a further rise in Republican identification after the Iraq war earlier this year, so at the moment Republicans have an advantage in party identification for only the second time in 75 years (see chart 5). September 11th seems to have been a turning point. But long-term trends were helping Republicans anyway. The defection of the South—America's most populous region—broke up the old Democratic coalition. In 2002, Republicans won the South by an even larger margin than in their landslide victory of 1994. The rise of an investor class (half of Americans own shares) benefits the party, because middle-class shareholders tend to back Republican causes such as privatising Social Security, the federal pensions system. These long-term trends are reinforced by significant temporary gains. The campaign-finance reform of 2002 shifted the balance of advantage towards the party that raises more cash from individuals, which currently means the Republicans. Sophisticated computer software has turned redistricting—the ability of the dominant party in state assemblies to gerrymander district boundaries—from an art into a science. In 2002, Republicans controlled the legislatures of three big states—Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. By amazing coincidence, in Gore-majority districts where Republicans drew new boundaries, their party won 11 more seats than in 2000. Breaking the deadlock So it is not hard to see why Republican strategists think their party may be on the verge of breaking the 50-50 deadlock. Yet, on balance, the evidence is still against the idea that there has been a fundamental shift in electoral politics. The 2002 elections did not break the mould. For incumbents to gain as much as Republicans did last year is unusual but not unprecedented. Democrats also won against the odds in 1998. And as Gary Jacobson of the University of California at San Diego points out, the Republicans' success in 2002 can be largely explained by special factors. At that point, Mr Bush's personal ratings—the highest of any president—ran well ahead of his ratings on the economy. Usually the two do not differ much. That implies that but for the war on terrorism, which buoyed up his overall popularity, Mr Bush would not have been able to shield Republican candidates from economic discontent. This is unlikely to apply in 2004. Mr Bush's popularity also scared off the Democrats, who fielded a particularly feeble bunch of challengers. They have a few more creditable ones now. Usually, incumbent parties lose seats in mid-term elections because congressmen squeak into marginal seats on the coat-tails of a successful president. But Mr Bush had no coat-tails in 2000, so in 2002 Republicans had fewer vulnerable seats to lose. Add in the special impact of redistricting, and most of the Republican success in 2002 can be explained by the party's skills in squeezing the most out of a largely balanced electorate rather than by a fundamental shift in its favour. There was little evidence that voters were less polarised in 2002 than they had been in 1996-2000. Opposites repel In one sense, that does not matter. If Mr Bush hopes a permanent majority is within his grasp, he may well dash ahead with an ambitious agenda. But he may also do that if he fears the partisan divide is too deep to be overcome. If so, his party's current political dominance would be just a window of opportunity, and he should take advantage of it before it closes. But the persistence of a deep electoral division effects how his policies—or any president's policies—are received and carried out. It tempts Mr Bush (or any Republican) to push for more extreme policies, and any Democrat to push for the opposite extreme. The divide also encourages partisan behaviour among voters. This increasing polarisation could turn out to be the most important trend in American politics today. George Wallace, a former governor of Alabama, used to say there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the parties. But polarisation is growing in Congress. Republicans are now twice as likely to toe the party line in the House and Senate as they were in 1975. Democrats are about one-and a half times as likely. Ad hoc “coalitions of the willing” have become much rarer in domestic politics. Partisanship is rife in congressional committees. Heads of committees used at least to pay lip service to the minority party when proposing legislation, but since Newt Gingrich's takeover in 1994, partisan control has by and large been the rule. Committee chairmen now routinely squelch attempts by Democrats to influence legislation, leading to petty squabbling and ill temper. Partisanship is also evident in redistricting, which has increased the number of safe seats towards North Korean levels. In 2004, only 30-40 congressional seats are likely to be truly competitive—a quarter of the number in the 1990s. Since 1964, the share of House incumbents re-elected with over 60% of the vote has risen from 58% to 77%. This makes congressmen's politics more extreme. If your district is rock-solid, you have little reason to fear that voters will kick you out for moving too far from their opinions. The main threat comes from party activists, who tend to be more extreme in their views and can propose a challenger in primary elections. So the dangers of drifting too far to the middle outweigh those of drifting too far to the extremes. Partisan redistricting marginalises centrist voters, aligns the views of candidates more closely with extremists on each side and radicalises politics. Away from Capitol Hill, partisanship has also grown in lobbying. Both parties have tried to control lobbyists, the fourth branch of American government, but Republicans have got better at it than Democrats. Every Tuesday, lobbyists troop to the office of Rick Santorum, the leader of the Senate Republican conference, to talk about hiring Republicans—an ex-chief of staff here, a pollster there. Republicans place their protégés in lobbying firms. The firms raise money for Republican candidates and help get them elected. Legislators then place their protégés in the firms. And so it goes on. Above all, polarisation has grown in the electorate, evidenced by a sharp decline in split-ticket voting (choosing a president from one party and a congressional representative from another). In 1972, 44% of congressmen and women represented a different party from the one whose presidential candidate carried their district. In 2000, the share was under 20%. The truly independent voter seems to be disappearing. That may seem curious, because those who call themselves independents easily outnumber self-identified Democrats or Republicans. Yet most so-called independents vote consistently one way or the other. The White House reckons that less than one-third of independent voters actually switched parties in the past three elections. With the decline of swing voters, there seems less and less point in running presidential campaigns to appeal to the slim middle. Instead, elections have become contests to mobilise core supporters. The 2000 and 2002 elections were both turn-out races. The upshot is that politics has become warfare. What matters most is the size and bloodthirstiness of your troops, not winning over neutrals. Politicians take the first opportunity to reach for weapons of mass destruction, such as Bill Clinton's impeachment or the recall of Governor Gray Davis in California. It is no longer possible to agree to disagree. Your enemies must be “Stupid White Men”, guilty of “Treason”, who live in a world of “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them” (to quote the titles of three of this year's political bestsellers). Increased partisanship has implications for the nature of America's public debate, the country's decentralised political tradition and Mr Bush himself. Politics as warfare is rooted in debates about fundamental issues. Over the past few years, the Republicans have become the “exceptionalist” party by celebrating America's traditional values and stressing qualities that make the country intrinsically different. Call that conservative exceptionalism. In contrast, Democrats are divided. Mainstream Democrats, including members of the Clinton administration, go for the other type of exceptionalism, the city-on-a-hill variety—though Mr Bush claims to espouse that, too. Others—notably Howard Dean and the left—seem to regard exceptionalism of any kind as a bad thing. Still others embrace what might be called liberal exceptionalism, celebrating America's egalitarian, anti-aristocratic heritage. In different ways, all these distinctions are based on values or principles. Steamrollering the enemy In contrast, winning at all costs is not, or not necessarily. Take the 2002 Senate election in Georgia, one of the nastiest campaigns of recent memory. The Democrat, Max Cleland, who had lost three limbs in Vietnam, was demonised as soft on Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. The culture of victory may supersede arguments about values and substance because conquest becomes imperative. America's political system is decentralised, with proud, distinctive traditions at state level, and national parties that used to be loose coalitions of diverse groups which banded together to win power. Partisanship, on the other hand, is a centralising force that encourages uniformity. America's distinctive political traditions have been tested before, and survived. In the early part of the 20th century, a time of just as much partisanship in voting and in politicians' behaviour, America did not move towards the party-dominated political systems familiar in Europe. But there was less ideological coherence then, and no television or national media groups to reinforce a consistent message. Now localism is weaker. And, at least on the Republican side, it faces a national organisation more disciplined, more firmly under the control of the White House, more fiercely loyal to the president—and more prepared to throw its weight around. In the 2002 elections, the White House intervened to persuade local parties in Minnesota, South Dakota and Georgia to change their senatorial candidate. The White House's choice won in two of the three states against the odds. This does not mean that party structures themselves have strengthened. In fact, in terms of raising money they are weaker than they have been throughout most of American history. But the parties are ideologically more distinct. And within the parties, politicians are more partisan and less diverse in their backgrounds. As for Mr Bush himself, he has proved a polarising president, better at solidifying the Republican base than at extending it. Two years after September 2001, his own party's approval of him stood at over 80%, but Democratic approval had fallen below 20%. This stunning gap marks Mr Bush as even more divisive than Bill Clinton, who suffered just as much from Republicans' hostility as Mr Bush does from Democrats'. But whereas Mr Clinton's policies were more popular than he was, with Mr Bush it is the other way around. His ratings on the economy and tax cuts are lower than his overall approval levels. The next section explains why. How “exceptional” is George Bush? FOR a moment, it seemed that the attacks of September 11th 2001 had created a new opportunity for political leadership. The mayor of New York, Rudolph Giuliani, transformed himself overnight from an effective, if cantankerous, administrator into a symbol of the resilient city. Mr Bush might have emulated him. Americans rallied round the president after the terrorist attacks. His speeches at the time expressed the mood of national determination. His stature as commander-in-chief grew. Yet Mr Bush made no real attempt to unify the nation behind a domestic cause. He made no call for sacrifice, as Franklin Roosevelt had done after Pearl Harbour. Asked what people could do for the nation at a time of crisis, Mr Bush replied: Go back to normal. Go shopping. This could perhaps be regarded as a failure of the president's imagination. But there is another reason. President Bush says he wants to promote America's universal values. In that sense, he is a city-on-the-hill exceptionalist. He also claimed during the 2000 election campaign that he would be “a uniter, not a divider”. But his political personality is too complicated for either claim to be wholly convincing. There are two George Bushes. One is ideological, divisive, willing to tear up the rule book and push strongly conservative policies. This is the Bush loved by Republicans, loathed by Democrats (see chart 6). The other is more incremental and sometimes more bipartisan. Yet even this Bush, who might appeal to the middle, is also surprisingly audacious. His audacity causes wariness among voters who are not strongly inclined for or against him. Big-government conservatism Foreign policy shows Mr Bush in rule-book-destroying mode. He has rejected the cornerstone of cold-war diplomacy, the doctrine of containment, and is unwilling to treat states as legitimate merely because they are internationally recognised or stable. This puts him at odds not only with European, but with cold-war traditions of American diplomacy. In some areas of domestic policy, Mr Bush has been almost as far-reaching. The best example is tax. As Bill Galston of the University of Maryland puts it, “Ronald Reagan thought government was the problem. George Bush thinks tax is the problem.” Mr Bush is in fact more radical, or more determined, than his Republican predecessor. Mr Reagan cut taxes in his first year but increased them later in the face of widening budget deficits. Mr Bush cut them in each of his first three years, despite the prospect, by the third year, of deficits as far as the eye can see. This year, total federal revenues stood at 17% of GDP, the lowest level since 1959, which was long before Medicare, Medicaid, federal education programmes and today's defence build-up. Mr Bush's tax policy is consistent with the “exceptionalist” view that, in a twist on Thomas Jefferson's words, “the government that governs best, taxes least.” It has heightened differences in the tax burden between the two sides of the Atlantic. What about the other George Bush? This is the one who created the biggest new bureaucracy since Harry Truman: the Department of Homeland Security. This is the Bush who has pushed the powers of the federal government into education, hitherto a state preserve, by requiring annual testing of students and raising federal spending to supervise those tests. It is the one who has allowed the Justice Department to detain suspected terrorists for longer periods and with less judicial review. This is the Bush who is trying to set up a national energy policy to reduce dependence on foreign oil; who slapped protectionist barriers on steel; who signed a farm bill costing $180 billion over ten years; who set up a White House office to promote marriage (surely the last thing a conservative government should be poking its nose into). And this is the one urging Congress to expand state health care for the elderly to cover some of the costs of prescription drugs—an action President Clinton's Medicare adviser says would be “the biggest expansion of government health benefits since the Great Society.” In all, the Bush administration in its first three years increased government spending by 21%. It will rise even higher if the president wins a second term and fulfils his promise to reform Social...

...all in all a pretty quiet summer, really.

Sorry, sungam. My rule is no story shorter than my penor.


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Okay, so her climbing partner lykes hur, rite? Then he's all showerin' and polishing the kisser before their "date". He wuntz it bad.

While it is *that* partner... He's not doing that for me.

I'm so deep in the "Friend Zone", I aint ever gonna get any.
Poor u. Bacardi 151 and a hour later.
Boom hes out and your bangin away.
Thats how my wifey gots pregers.
I was raped, Fuck. now my climbing season is on Ice.
and no I am not climbing ice.

Yeah, the "friend" zone. That only exists for guys. A tip for Kartessa: an overnighter + alcohol + sexual tension = tent secks. It's a simple proven formula.

No no, I am in the "Friend Zone". Ice cream, breakup stories and all.

I've tried your formula a couple of times too, even had a sleepover at his place in his bed after lots of liquor and he didnt touch me once Frown

I'll do what you guys do, wait it out and hope that one day he sees the light. Til then, I'll abuse the shit out of him as a belayer.

He has herpes.

Could be... I just thought he was gay.
Maybe he saw the subtitle to this...?
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...tection__114624.html

Where the fuck did you come from??

[image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/9/457289-work-Dina_with_Tank.jpg[/image]

Just to imbed the picture.
Cool

I think Kartessa would prefer you "in bed" her, rather than embed her.

I'm starting to think her brand of troll is rather clever and well suited to this sites "audience". It sure is getting a lot of milage.

Well done K.
We love it.
Just look at all the post this thread has gotten in the last week. Even dragging the lurkers out of the shadows.

Thanks, I think...
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We knew you've been watching...
Yes, though maybe not for the reason you've been thinking of.
Yup this fuckin tool follows me like a shadow.
Leave me alone Shadow!
Personal Attack?
Banzing?


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In other news we were in Tahoe camping for the last two weeks.

The wife really liked it.
Nice mountain scenery.
beautiful lake
good hiking.

Tis a nice place.

The only draw back seems to be the weekend traffic and line up to get out of town on Sunday.

If you lived there, it wouldn't be a problem. It really depends on which way you are going, etc..
Heh, I know a funny story about the road from Tahoe to Sactown. I wonder if I should tell it?
No, not again.
Once was good.


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PLEASE tell me you typed that whole thing yourself!


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PLEASE tell me you typed that whole thing yourself!

Who else would type up the story of what I did over the summer?


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PLEASE tell me you typed that whole thing yourself!

Who else would type up the story of what I did over the summer?

Imagine the pcpp potential if I had broken that up...


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Well, back to Edinburgh tomorrow to start school again, I guess. I ticked off exactly 0 climbing goals on what has to be called my shittest climbing summer ever. Got a fair bit of road biking in, but mostly did fuck all. Kinda frustrated about that now but whatever.
How was everyone else's summer, in short? When I say "in short" I'm looking at YOU, Greg. I'm not in the mood for articles right now.

hot.... VERY hot.... mild hot.... really god-damn fucking hot for four weeks straight muther fucker.... quite hot.... VERY hot.... cooler hot when summer thawt about popping.... and now summer is hanging out at the gates of hell and won't shut the damn door!

Spent thyme at the ocean, did some kayaking, climbed twice, played golf a few thymez, watered the lawn a bazzillion thymez, visited Santa Fe and began construction on teh woody.


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Well, back to Edinburgh tomorrow to start school again, I guess. I ticked off exactly 0 climbing goals on what has to be called my shittest climbing summer ever. Got a fair bit of road biking in, but mostly did fuck all. Kinda frustrated about that now but whatever.
How was everyone else's summer, in short? When I say "in short" I'm looking at YOU, Greg. I'm not in the mood for articles right now.

Hmm. My summer. Where to begin...

Well this summer I AT NINE o'clock on the morning of September 11th 2001, President George Bush sat in an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida, listening to seven-year-olds read stories about goats. “Night fell on a different world,” he said of that day. And on a different America.At first, America and the world seemed to change together. “We are all New Yorkers now,” ran an e-mail from Berlin that day, mirroring John F. Kennedy's declaration 40 years earlier, “Ich bin ein Berliner”, and predicting Le Monde's headline the next day, “Nous sommes tous Américains”. And America, for its part, seemed to become more like other countries. Al-Qaeda's strikes, the first on the country's mainland by a foreign enemy, stripped away something unique: its aura of invulnerability, its sense of itself as a place apart, “the city on a hill”. wo days after the event, President George Bush senior predicted that, like Pearl Harbour, “so, too, should this most recent surprise attack erase the concept in some quarters that America can somehow go it alone.” Francis Fukuyama, a professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, suggested that “America may become a more ordinary country in the sense of having concrete interests and real vulnerabilities, rather than thinking itself unilaterally able to define the nature of the world it lives in.” oth men were thinking about foreign policy. But global terrorism changed America at home as well. Because it made national security more important, it enhanced the role of the president and the federal government. Twice as many Americans as in the 1990s now say that they are paying a lot of attention to national affairs, where they used to care more about business and local stories. Some observers noted “a return to seriousness”—and indeed frivolities do not dominate television news as they used to.But America has not become “a more ordinary country”, either in foreign policy or in the domestic arena. Instead, this survey will argue that the attacks of 2001 have increased “American exceptionalism”—a phrase coined by Alexis de Tocqueville in the mid-19th century to describe America's profound differences from other nations. The features that the attacks brought to the surface were already there, but the Bush administration has amplified them. As a result, in the past two years the differences between America and other countries have become more pronounced. et because America is not a homogeneous country—indeed, its heterogeneity is one of its most striking features—many of its people feel uneasy about manifestations of exceptionalism. Hence, as this survey will also argue, the revival and expansion of American exceptionalism will prove divisive at home. This division will define domestic politics for years to come. Not all New Yorkers any more From the outside, the best indication of American exceptionalism is military power. America spends more on defence than the next dozen countries combined. In the nearest approach to an explicit endorsement of exceptionalism in the public domain, the National Security Strategy of 2002 says America must ensure that its current military dominance—often described as the greatest since Rome's—is not even challenged, let alone surpassed. In fact, military might is only a symptom of what makes America itself unusual. The country is exceptional in more profound ways. It is more strongly individualistic than Europe, more patriotic, more religious and culturally more conservative (see chart 1). Al-Qaeda's assaults stimulated two of these deeper characteristics. In the wake of the attacks, expressions of both love of country and love of God spiked. This did not necessarily mean Americans suddenly became more patriotic or religious. Rather, the spike was a reminder of what is important to them. It was like a bolt of lightning, briefly illuminating the landscape but not changing it. The president seized on these manifestations of the American spirit. The day after he had defined America's enemies in his “axis of evil” speech, in January 2002, Mr Bush told an audience in Daytona Beach, Florida, about his country's “mission” in the world. “We're fighting for freedom, and civilisation and universal values.” That is one strand of American exceptionalism. America is the purest example of a nation founded upon universal values, such as democracy and human rights. It is a standard-bearer, an exemplar. But the president went further, seeking to change America's culture and values in ways that would make the country still more distinctive. “We've got a great opportunity,” he said at Daytona. “As a result of evil, there's some amazing things that are taking place in America. People have begun to challenge the culture of the past that said, ‘If it feels good, do it'. This great nation has a chance to help change the culture.” He was appealing to old-fashioned virtues of personal responsibility, self-reliance and restraint, qualities associated with a strand of exceptionalism that says American values and institutions are different and America is exceptional in its essence, not just because it is a standard-bearer. On this view, America is not exceptional because it is powerful; America is powerful because it is exceptional. And because what makes America different also keeps it rich and powerful, an administration that encourages American wealth and power will tend to encourage intrinsic exceptionalism. Walter Russell Mead of the Council on Foreign Relations dubs this impulse “American revivalism”. It is not an explicit ideology but a pattern of beliefs, attitudes and instincts. The Bush administration displays “exceptionalist” characteristics to an unusual extent. It is more openly religious than any of its predecessors. Mr Bush has called Jesus his favourite philosopher. White House staff members arrange Bible study classes. The president's re-election team courts evangelical Protestant voters. The administration wants religious institutions to play a bigger role in social policy. It also wears patriotism on its sleeve. That is not to say it is more patriotic than previous governments, but it flaunts this quality more openly, using images of the flag on every occasion and relishing America's military might to an unusual extent. More than any administration since Ronald Reagan's, this one is focused narrowly on America's national interest. Related to this is a certain disdain for “old Europe” which goes beyond frustrations over policy. By education and background, this is an administration less influenced than usual by those bastions of transatlanticism, Ivy League universities. One-third of President Bush senior's first cabinet secretaries, and half of President Clinton's, had Ivy League degrees. But in the current cabinet the share is down to a quarter. For most members of this administration, who are mainly from the heartland and the American west (Texas especially), Europe seems far away. They have not studied there. They do not follow German novels or French films. Indeed, for many of them, Europe is in some ways unserious. Its armies are a joke. Its people work short hours. They wear sandals and make chocolate. Europe does not capture their imagination in the way that China, the Middle East and America itself do. Mr Bush's own family embodies the shift away from Euro-centrism. His grandfather was a senator from Connecticut, an internationalist and a scion of Brown Brothers Harriman, bluest of blue-blooded Wall Street investment banks. His father epitomised the transatlantic generation. Despite his Yale education, he himself is most at home on his Texas ranch. Looked at this way, the Bush administration's policies are not only responses to specific problems, or to demands made by interest groups. They reflect a certain way of looking at America and the world. They embody American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism is nothing new. But it is getting sharper “EVERYTHING about the Americans,” said Alexis de Tocqueville, “is extraordinary, but what is more extraordinary still is the soil that supports them.” America has natural harbours on two great oceans, access to one of the world's richest fishing areas, an abundance of every possible raw material and a huge range of farmed crops, from cold-weather to tropical. Not only is it the fourth-largest country in the world, but two-thirds of it is habitable, unlike Russia or Canada. Any country occupying America's space on the map would be likely to be unusual. But as de Tocqueville also said, “Physical causes contribute less [to America's distinctiveness] than laws and mores.” In his 1995 book “American Exceptionalism,” Seymour Martin Lipset enumerates some of these laws and social features. In terms of income per head, America is the wealthiest large industrial country. It is also the only western democracy to have practised slavery in the industrial era. It has the highest crime rate and highest rate of imprisonment (though crime, at least, is falling towards European levels). Its society is among the most religious in the world. Perhaps less obviously, Americans are more likely than almost anyone else to join voluntary associations. America has a highly decentralised political system, with federal, state and local governments all collecting their own taxes, writing their own laws and administering their own affairs. Its federal government spends a relatively low share of national income. The country has more elective offices than any other, including, in some states, those of judges, which means that in each four-year cycle America holds about 1m elections. Not surprisingly, perhaps, it also has one of the lowest voter turn-outs, making it at once the most and the least democratic democracy. It has no large socialist party, and never has had. Nor has it ever had a significant fascist movement. Unlike conservative parties in Europe, its home-grown version has no aristocratic roots. America has one of the lowest tax rates among rich countries, the least generous public services, the highest military spending, the most lawyers per head, the highest proportion of young people at universities and the most persistent work ethic. But the term “exceptionalism” is more than a description of how America differs from the rest of the world. It also encompasses the significance of those differences and the policies based upon them. People have been searching for some wider meaning to the place since its earliest days. In 1630, the year the Massachusetts Bay Company was founded, John Winthrop, the colony's governor, described his new land as “a city upon a hill, the eyes of all people are upon us.” And as they have looked, people have found two quite different reasons for thinking that America is special. One is that it is uniquely founded on principles to which any country can aspire. In 1787, Alexander Hamilton wrote in the first Federalist Paper that “It seems to have been reserved to the people of this country, by their conduct and example, to decide the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force.” That is America-as-model. George Bush has embraced the idea. Commemorating the first anniversary of the attacks of September 11th 2001, he said that “the ideal of America is the hope of all mankind.” He was echoing Lincoln, who called America “the last, best hope of earth”. But exceptionalism has another meaning: that America is intrinsically different from other countries in its values and institutions, and is therefore not necessarily a model. Thomas Jefferson said that “Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours are perhaps more peculiar than those of any other in the universe.” In 1929, Jay Lovestone, the head of the American communist party, was summoned to Moscow. Stalin demanded to know why the worldwide communist revolution had advanced not one step in the largest capitalist country. Lovestone replied that America lacked the preconditions for communism, such as feudalism and aristocracy. No less an authority than Friedrich Engels had said the same thing, talking of “the special American conditions...which make bourgeois conditions look like a beau idéal to them.” So had an Italian Marxist, Antonio Gramsci, and a British socialist, H.G. Wells, who had both argued that America's unique origins had produced a distinctive value system and unusual politics. Lovestone was purged, but his argument still has force: America is exceptional partly because it is peculiar. As usual, de Tocqueville had thought about both meanings of exceptionalism before anyone else. In his book “Democracy in America”, he described not only what is particular to democracy, especially the way in which it changes how people think and act (what he calls “the quiet action of society upon itself”). He also described what was, and is, particular to America: its size, the institutions it had inherited from England, its decentralised administration. These two versions of American exceptionalism have more in common than might appear at first sight. Both suggest that the experience of America is open to others. The idea of America-as-model implies that other countries can come to be more like America, though American differences may still persist over time. The idea that America is intrinsically different is also consistent with the notion that outsiders can become American, but they must go there to do it and become citizens—hence America's extraordinary capacity to assimilate immigrants. There are three points to grasp from this gallop through the history of American exceptionalism. First, it is, as Mr Lipset put it, a double-edged sword. It helps explain the best and the worst about the country: its business innovation and its economic inequality; its populist democracy and its low voter turn-out; its high spending on education and its deplorable rates of infant mortality and teenage pregnancy. Exceptionalism is often used either as a boast or as a condemnation—though in reality it is neither. Second, the two strands help explain why exceptionalism is divisive within America itself. Most Americans are doubtless proud of the “exemplary” qualities of their country. But the non-exemplary, more peculiar features do not always command universal approval. Third, there should be nothing surprising, or necessarily disturbing, in a revival of exceptionalism. America has almost always been seen as different. The question is: has anything changed recently? Unparallel tracks It is always risky to proclaim a break in a trend. Yet evidence is growing that, over the past decade or so, America has been changing in ways that do make it more different from its allies in Europe, and September 11th has increased this divergence. Most of the previous half-century was a period of convergence. Between 1945 and about 1990, America and Europe seemed to be growing more like one another in almost every way that matters. Economically, Europe began the post-war period in ruins. According to Angus Maddison, an economic historian, in 1950 average incomes in western Europe were 54% of American ones. By the early 1990s, the ratio had passed 80%. Richer EU countries now boast a standard of living comparable to America's. Until the mid-1980s, America and Europe also both had stable populations, declining fertility rates and growing numbers of old people. In the 1960s, America moved closer towards European levels of government spending through the Great Society programmes. This was the start of Medicaid for the poor and, later, increased regulation of industry through bodies like the Environmental Protection Agency. With Watergate and the Vietnam war, America started to approach European levels of cynicism about government and military intervention abroad. In 1976, a sociologist, Daniel Bell, wrote a book whose title encapsulated the conventional wisdom of the time: “The End of American Exceptionalism”. Later changes seemed to prove him right. In the 1980s, European countries started to organise their economies on more American lines. Governments privatised and deregulated. Companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange, set up NASDAQ clones and started using share prices to measure a company's or manager's performance. In politics, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were both engaged in similar projects to shrink the size of the state. Bill Clinton (who was wildly popular in Europe) proclaimed himself a paid-up member of the largely European “third way”. When communism collapsed, Mr Fukuyama hailed “The End of History”. Countries, he argued, would henceforth tend to become more alike, more democratic, more liberal, more globalised. There would be less exceptionalism, of the American or any other kind. But things did not work out that way in foreign affairs, and other sorts of convergence may be coming to an end, too. The demographic differences are now startling. Around 1985, America's fertility rate bottomed out and began to rise again. It is now at almost two children per woman, just below the replacement level of 2.1, and looks set to rise further. Europe's fertility rate is below 1.4 and falling. Even China's is 1.8, and its birth rate is dropping fast. At the moment, the EU's population is considerably larger than America's—380m against 280m—and will grow further with enlargement next year. China's is nearly four times as large as America's. But on current trends, by the middle of this century America's population could be 440m-550m, larger than the EU's even after enlargement, and nearly half China's, rather than a quarter. America will also be noticeably younger then and ethnically more varied. At the moment, its median age is roughly the same as Europe's (36 against 38). By 2050, according to Bill Frey of the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, America's median age will still be around 36, but Europe's will have risen to 53 (and China's will be 44). In the 1990s, America took in the largest number of immigrants it had ever seen in one decade: 33m people now living in the country were born outside it, and Latinos have become the largest ethnic group. “America,” says Hania Zlotnik of the United Nations Population Division, “is the world's great demographic outlier.” Then there is the technology gap. Each year, more patents are applied for in America than in the European Union. America has almost three times as many Nobel prize-winners than the next country (Britain), and spends more on research and development than any other country. On one measure of academic performance, over 90 of the world's top 100 universities are in America. Europe and America have also been diverging economically, though one should be cautious about that. In the seven years from 1995 to 2001, real GDP rose by 3.3% a year in America but by only 2.5% a year in the European Union. The bursting of the stockmarket bubble and the subsequent recession reversed this pattern—in 2001, GDP growth was higher in Europe than America—but the gap opened up again as the economies recovered. On current estimates and forecasts, growth in America in the three years to 2004 will average 1.3 percentage points a year more than in the 12-country euro area. Some 60% of the world's economic growth since 1995 has come from America. These relative economic gains may be reversed. It is hard to see how the country can sustain both its huge trade and budget deficits. On the other hand, its growth in the 1990s reflected a big improvement in productivity, which rose by over 2% a year in the 1990s. The number of hours worked also rose. In 1982, Europeans and Americans put in roughly the same number of hours each year. Now, Americans work a daunting 300 hours a year more. These divergences began at different times and for different reasons. The demographic gap began to open up as long ago as the mid-1980s. Economies started to diverge in the mid-1990s. Even in the area most relevant to the terrorist attacks—foreign policy—the roots of transatlantic differences arguably go back to the fall of communism in 1989-91. September 11th did not create these tensions, but it dramatised some of them. The attacks took place at a time when America was governed by an administration already less engaged in Europe than any in recent history, and when almost all the other measures were, for the first time in 50 years, pointing in the same direction—away from Europe, as well as from much of the rest of the world. If this pattern continues, America may be entering a period of even greater dominance in world affairs. That alone makes American exceptionalism of more than domestic importance. American power will be divisive abroad—but it will also bring conflict at home, because a significant portion of Americans does not believe that the era of convergence is over. When Howard Dean, a Democratic presidential candidate, said that “We won't always have the strongest military,” he was slapped down by his own party as well as by Republicans. But he touched a nerve. The next section will explain how exceptionalism divides America as well as defining it. American values divide as well as define the country THE new National Constitution Centre in Philadelphia stands three blocks from where the Declaration of Independence and the American constitution were adopted. Post-it notes are dotted around the museum for visitors to reply to questions such as “What does it mean to be an American?”“It means I have a responsibility and obligation to protect my freedom and that of my children,” runs one typical reply. Or: “It means to say when I disagree.” Or: “Sometimes it means unbridled capitalism.” To a second question, “Should the ten commandments be displayed in public buildings?” the replies range from, “They are the foundational laws for the constitution” to, “We have the right to freedom from religion.” And to a third, “What makes you feel free?”, they include: “Our military forces willing to give their lives for mine”; “Not to have to think about it”; or simply, “USA rocks!” American values are distinctive, but not uniformly so. Patriotism and religious faith are unusually strong. Americans stress personal responsibility rather than collective goals. Many are fairly conservative in their social opinions and are somewhat more likely than Europeans to disapprove of divorce, abortion and homosexuality. Yet people on both sides of the Atlantic find international terrorism and the spread of weapons of mass destruction equally worrying. And Americans are in some ways more open than Europeans—or were, until the terrorist attacks of 2001 made them less welcoming—in their greater approval of immigration and the value of “other cultures”. It is this particular combination of values, as much as strong patriotism or religiosity, that really makes America stand out. Begin with an area of clear difference: attitudes to the role of government in a free market. People in almost every country surveyed by the Pew Research Centre in 2003 say they are better off in a free-market economy. But asked which is more important—that the government should guarantee no one is in need, or that it should not constrain the pursuit of personal goals—Europeans in both east and west come down roughly two-thirds/one-third in favour of a safety net, whereas Americans split two-thirds/one-third the other way. However, when asked, “Does the government control too much of your daily life? Is it usually inefficient and wasteful?”, two-thirds of respondents on both sides of the Atlantic say yes. So the differences seem to have less to do with the way that governments are viewed, and more to do with Americans' belief in the importance of individual effort. Pew's pollsters sought to measure this belief by asking people in 44 countries, “Do you agree or disagree that success is determined by forces outside your control?” In most countries, fewer than half thought that success was within their control. In only two did more than 60% consider success a matter of individual effort: Canada and, by the widest margin, the United States. In other areas, American exceptionalism is less clear-cut. For example, nine out of ten Americans say they are very patriotic, according to Pew. But Indians, Nigerians and Turks are equally patriotic. Among wealthy nations, Americans are also the most likely to go to church and to say God is very important in their lives, but again Indians, Nigerians and Turks are more religious than Americans. Lots of Americans like to buy products that shout, “I'm large. I'm loud. I'm ready for anything,” such as army assault vehicles lightly disguised as cars, or outdoor grills the size of small kitchens, or Arnold Schwarzenegger. David Brooks, a New York Times columnist, calls this “getting in touch with your inner longshoreman”. Yet at the same time Americans seem to be developing a more restrained side. They are just as likely as Europeans to say that people with AIDS should not be discriminated against. Support for the idea that “women should return to traditional roles in society” has fallen from just under a third in the late 1980s to about a fifth now, roughly the same as in Europe. Both Americans and Europeans overwhelmingly disagree that when jobs are scarce men should be given priority. Americans are slightly less likely than Europeans to find homosexuality socially acceptable, and less likely to support gay marriage, but tolerance of gays is on the increase (see chart 3). Americans also tend to be fairly positive about the contribution of immigrants to society, whereas in most of the rest of the industrial world more than half the population thinks immigrants are bad for their countries. These differences and similarities are best understood as values arranged along two spectrums of opinion. One spectrum, says the World Values Survey of the University of Michigan (which invented the idea), measures “traditional values”. The most important of these is patriotism; others concern religion and traditional family ties. Americans tend to be traditionalists. A remarkable 80% say they hold “old-fashioned values” about family and marriage. At the other end of this spectrum are “secular-rational” values, for whose adherents religion is a personal, optional matter, patriotism is not a big concern and children have their own lives to lead. Europeans tend to be secular-rationalists. On this spectrum, America is indeed exceptional. The other spectrum measures “quality of life” attitudes. At one end of it are the values and opinions people hold when economic and physical insecurity dominates their lives, as often happens in poor countries. This makes them suspicious of outsiders, cautious about changing patterns of work and reluctant to engage in political activity. At the other end are values of self-expression involving the acceptance of a wide range of behaviour. On this score, Americans and Europeans are similar, because neither group is engaged in a struggle for survival any more. But the two spectrums together suggest that there is a “values gap” within America itself too. In Europe, countries have become both more secular and more “self-expressive” as they have got richer. In America, this did not happen. That has profound implications. E pluribus duo In 1999, Gertrude Himmelfarb, a social historian, argued that America is becoming “One Nation, Two Cultures”. One is religious, puritanical, family-centred and somewhat conformist. The other is tolerant, hedonistic, secular, predominantly single and celebrates multiculturalism. These value judgments are the best predictor of political affiliation, far better than wealth or income. In the 2000 election, 63% of those who went to church more than once a week voted for George Bush; 61% of those who never went voted for Al Gore. About 70% of those who said abortion should always be available voted for Mr Gore; 74% of those who said it should always be illegal voted for Mr Bush. As Pete du Pont, a former governor of Delaware, pointed out, a map showing the sales and rentals of porn movies bore an eerie resemblance to the map of the 2000 election results. America, it is said, can live together because Americans live apart. The two cultures occupy different worlds. Traditionalists are concentrated in a great L-shape on the map, the spine of the Rockies forming its vertical arm, its horizontal one cutting a swathe through the South. With a couple of exceptions, all these “red states” voted for Mr Bush in 2000. The rest of the country is more secular. This includes the Pacific coast and the square outlined by the big L, consisting of the north-eastern and upper mid-western states. With a few exceptions, these “blue states” voted for Mr Gore in 2000. Their differences are deeply entrenched. Traditionalists are heavily concentrated in smaller towns and rural areas. Secularists dominate big cities. Southerners tend to be a bit more religious, a bit more socially conservative and more supportive of a strong military stance than the rest of the country. Intriguingly, black southerners are more conservative than blacks elsewhere, though less conservative than their white neighbours. The political effect of these differences is increasing. For historical reasons (Republicans having been the anti-slavery party in the civil war), white southerners were part of the Democratic coalition, circumscribing for many years the political impact of southern conservatism. Now, as the region becomes more Republican, that conservatism is getting noisier. In contrast, multiculturalism is deeply entrenched in blue states. The states with the highest levels of immigration of Latinos and Asians include New York, New Jersey, New Mexico and California—what Mr Frey calls America's new melting-pots. Mr Gore won all of them, except Texas and Florida. These were special cases: both had governors called Bush; both had seen the largest inflow from other parts of America of white immigrants, who tend to be more conservative. The differences between the two Americas seem to be getting sharper. A new survey of American values by Pew finds greater social and sexual tolerance, yet also more strictness on matters of personal morality. The number of people saying they completely agree that there are clear and universal guidelines about good and evil has risen from one-third to two-fifths in the space of 15 years. One of America's characteristic features is its sunny optimism, the sense that anything is possible. Yet there is an 18-point gap between the number of Democrats and Republicans who agree with the statement “I don't believe there are any real limits to growth in this country today.” Democrats are usually keener than Republicans to urge the administration to pay attention to domestic issues. This gap has widened from three points in 1997 to 16 points now. On America's role in the world, the importance of military strength and patriotism itself, the gap between the parties has never been wider. So if there is a revival of exceptionalism—in the sense both of greater divergence from other countries, and of policies based on it—it will be controversial. Red states are likely to welcome it. Blue states probably will not. But there are complicating factors. The red-blue split implies that two tribes are forming, with people within each of them thinking more or less alike. In reality, things are rarely that clear-cut. In his book “A California State of Mind”, published in 2002, Mark Baldassare of the Public Policy Institute in San Francisco showed that voters in that state do not fit the bifurcated pattern of the 2000 election. California is one of the most solidly Democratic (blue) states. Most voters call themselves socially liberal and environmentally friendly, which seem like “European” attributes. Yet in other ways California is as unEuropean as you can get, a place of swirling ethnicities that looks towards Latin America and Asia. Californians wanted the large tax revenues the state had generated during the boom years of the 1990s to be spent on social programmes, rather than handed back in tax cuts—again, a European impulse. Yet, in flat contradiction, they did not want their state government to grow because they did not trust politicians to spend the money wisely—an exceptionalist, American characteristic. powerpoint sermons in a traditional church, you can: they are piped into one by video link. Or you can watch the service on huge video screens while sipping a cappuccino in an outdoor café. But in case you think this is religion lite, Rick Warren, the pastor, will quickly encourage you to join one of the thousands of smaller groups that are the real life of the church. Saddleback members will help you find a school, a friend, a job or God. There is a “Geeks for God” club of Cisco employees, and a mountain-bike club where they pray and pedal. To Europeans, religion is the strangest and most disturbing feature of American exceptionalism. They worry that fundamentalists are hijacking the country. They find it extraordinary that three times as many Americans believe in the virgin birth as in evolution. They fear that America will go on a “crusade” (a term briefly used by Mr Bush himself) in the Muslim world or cut aid to poor countries lest it be used for birth control. The persistence of religion as a public force is all the more puzzling because it seems to run counter to historical trends. Like the philosophers of the Enlightenment, many Europeans argue that modernisation is the enemy of religion. As countries get richer, organised religion will decline. Secular Europe seems to fit that pattern. America does not. In fact, points out Peter Berger, head of the Institute on Religion and World Affairs at Boston University, few developing countries have shown signs of religious decline as their standards of living have risen. It may be Europe that is the exception here, not America. There is no doubt, though, that America is the most religious rich country. Over 80% of Americans say they believe in God, and 39% describe themselves as born-again Christians. Furthermore, 58% of Americans think that unless you believe in God, you cannot be a moral person. There is also some evidence that private belief is becoming more intense. The Pew Research Centre reported that the number of those who “agree strongly” with three articles of faith (belief in God, in judgment day and in the importance of prayer in daily life) rose by seven to ten points in 1965-2003. In the late 1980s, two-fifths of Protestants described themselves as “born again”; now the figure is over half. The importance of religion in America goes well beyond personal belief. Back in the 1960s, Gallup polls found that 53% of Americans thought churches should not be involved in politics, and 22% thought members of the clergy should not even mention candidates for public office from the pulpit. By 1996, these numbers had reversed: 54% thought it was fine for churches to talk about political and social issues, and 20% thought even stump speeches were permissible in church. For God and Republicanism These shifts in opinion have given a boost to one particular group of churches: evangelical Protestants. They embrace a variety of denominations, including Baptist, Confessional and Pentecostal churches, all of which stress individual salvation and the word of the Bible rather than sacraments or established doctrine. In 1987, they were the third-largest religious group in America, with a membership of 24% of the adult population; now they are the largest, with 30%. The percentage of Catholics has stayed stable, largely thanks to Latino immigrants, but established Protestant churches, such as Presbyterians, have declined sharply. A marriage of church and politics Evangelical Protestants bear out the European view that religion in America is politically active, socially conservative and overwhelmingly Republican. Almost two-thirds of committed evangelicals—the ones who attend church most frequently and say they hold strictly to the Bible—describe themselves as conservative, by far the largest proportion of any religious group. They are also more likely than other churchgoers to rate social and cultural issues as important, somewhat more likely to say homosexuality should be discouraged, and most likely to want to rein in the scope of government. Over time, evangelicals have become more willing to engage in politics, too. White evangelical Protestants represent almost a third of registered voters now, up from slightly below a quarter in 1987. Their leaders have tried to unite the various evangelical churches as a political force, establishing the Moral Majority in 1979 and the Christian Coalition in 1989. Their comments speak for themselves. Franklin Graham (Billy's son) called Islam “a wicked religion”. The former president of the Southern Baptist Convention called the Prophet Muhammad “a demon-possessed pedophile”. Such political activism, the growth of new churches and the increased intensity of belief has led some to argue that America may be in the early stages of a fourth Great Awakening, a period of religious fervour when the variety, vigour, size and public involvement of religious groups suddenly increases. Earlier awakenings occurred in the late colonial period, the 1820s and the late 19th century. Might the same thing be happening again? The evidence seems to be against it. Church attendance has not been increasing, as a new awakening would suggest. The Gallup organisation found that it fell slowly in the 1960s and 1970s, stabilised in 1980 and has remained level since then, with about two-thirds of the population claiming membership of a church. These findings are based on how often people say they go to church, something they tend to exaggerate. But a collection of records from the churches themselves, summarised by Harvard University's Robert Putnam, shows the same pattern (see chart 4). So do figures from the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, which show that in 2000 some 141m Americans—or half the population—were members of a church. That is a lot, but it falls well short of the four-fifths who believe in God as a private matter. And it is active churchgoing that makes the difference between private belief and public consequences. Even among fundamentalist Protestants, public influence is patchy. There was, for example, no huge turn-out of conservative Christians in the 1998 mid-term elections, even though the Lewinsky scandal infuriated religious voters. After President Bill Clinton's impeachment and acquittal, Paul Weyrich, a leader of the Moral Majority, wrote to the Washington Post to say that conservative Christians had “lost the culture wars”—hardly evidence of growing influence. It is not even clear how important religion is in determining the political and social views of evangelical Protestants. The largest concentration of these churches is in the South, among whites. But white southerners held conservative views on homosexuality, government, defence and so on long before the Moral Majority was invented. It is just as likely that social conservatism has encouraged evangelical churches as the other way around. The Pew study tried to disentangle the role of religion in determining churchgoers' views from other factors, and found that only in social and cultural attitudes (on matters like abortion and homosexuality) was religion alone a powerful factor. Even there, broader demographic factors were more important. Don't believe a word of it Lastly, although the number and membership of charismatic churches has certainly grown, there has been an offsetting increase in those who describe themselves as of no religion at all. Since 1960, the number of self-described secularists (atheists, agnostics and those not affiliated to any organised religion) has roughly doubled. According to a survey by the City University of New York (CUNY), 14% of Americans between 18 and 34 describe themselves as “secular” and a further 9% as “somewhat secular”. Secularists are more likely to live on the Pacific coast or in the north-east, in a city, have a college degree, be male, single, and either lean towards the Democrats or be politically independent. Committed evangelicals are more likely to live in the south, vote Republican, lack a college degree, live in towns or rural areas, and be female and married. In other words, America looks like two tribes, one religious and one secular. But the really distinctive feature of American religion is the area in the middle. Most Americans do not become members of a church to sign up for a crusade or to sit in judgment on miserable sinners. For them, churchgoing is a matter of personal belief, not conservative activism. Their religion is mild. In 1965, according to Gallup, half of respondents said the most important purpose of their church was to teach people to live better lives. Since then, the share has grown to almost three-quarters. This is the biggest change in America's religious life in the past 40 years. Alan Wolfe, of the Boisi Institute for the Study of Religion at Boston College, points out that American religion is exceptional in two senses: not only are Americans more religious than Europeans, but they have no national church. Thanks to the separation of church and state, the country has nothing comparable to, say, the Catholic churches of Italy and Spain, or the Church of England. Americans are members of sects. The two kinds of religious exceptionalism are connected. Rather as in the economic sphere competing private companies tend to produce wealth and activity, whereas monopoly firms have the opposite effect, so in the religious sphere competing sects generate a ferment of activity and increased levels of belief, whereas state churches produce indifference. This has implications for the quality of American belief. Churches come and go with astonishing speed. The statisticians of American religious bodies tracked 187 denominations (and there were many more) between 1990 and 2000; in that time 37 disappeared and 54 new ones appeared on the scene. Adherents and pastors, too, are constantly on the move. One study found that half the pastors of so-called “mega-churches” (suburban ones like Saddleback, with Sunday congregations of 2,000 or more) have moved from another denomination. According to the CUNY study, 16% of American adults—33m people—say they have switched denominations. For some churches the share of new adherents was startlingly high. In 2001, 30% of Pentecostalists had joined from another church and 19% had left; among Presbyterians, 24% came in and 25% went out. Such churning limits doctrinal purism, which might otherwise be expected in a new church. Instead, churches try to attract floating believers—what Wade Clark Roof, a sociologist, calls “a generation of seekers”. According to Mr Wolfe, American churches are therapeutic, not judgmental. They stress “soft” qualities such as guidance and mutual help, not “hard” ones like sin and damnation. This means that the charismatic and evangelical churches are not typical of the whole of religious life in America. If the pattern of public opinion in general is bell-shaped, that of religious belief has the profile of a Volkswagen Beetle: a bump of evangelical Protestants at the front, a bigger bulge of uncensorious congregations in the middle and a stubby secular tail. That must temper the notion that religion is running amok in America, or that it is causing America to run amok in the world. At Saddleback church, Rick Warren preaches that abortion is wrong. On a recent Sunday, anti-abortion groups lobbied for their cause as parishioners left church. Mr Warren told them not to return. He agreed with their views, but members of his church, and newcomers, might not. He did not want abortion to get between members and the more important matter of their relationship with God. American patriotism is different from the European variety HERMANIO BERMANIS holds up his right hand to take the oath of American citizenship. Half a million do the same every year, but this ceremony is unusual. It is being held in the Walter Reed military hospital, in the presence of two cabinet members, because Army Specialist Bermanis, who was born in Micronesia, had both legs and his left arm blown off on active service in Iraq. His right hand is all he has to hold up. The ceremony gave expression to a powerful sentiment: American patriotism. As de Tocqueville noted long ago, “The inhabitants of the United States speak much of their love for their native country.” Seymour Martin Lipset begins his book on American exceptionalism with a remark unusual for an academic: “I write as a proud American.” In a new survey of American values by the Pew Research Centre, fully 91% of Americans say they are very patriotic. Europeans have long been bothered by this feature of American life. De Tocqueville again: “There is nothing more annoying...than this irritable patriotism of the Americans.” But since September 11th the Europeans have become even more disturbed. They associate patriotism with militarism, intolerance and ethnic strife. No wonder they consider it an alarming quality in the world's most powerful country. Yet European and American patriotism are different. Patriotic Europeans take pride in a nation, a tract of land or a language they are born into. You cannot become un-French. In contrast, patriotic Americans have a dual loyalty: both to their country and to the ideas it embodies. “He loved his country,” said Lincoln of Henry Clay, “partly because it was his own country, but mostly because it was a free country.” As the English writer G.K. Chesterton said in 1922, America is the only country based on a creed, enshrined in its constitution and declaration of independence. People become American by adopting the creed, regardless of their own place of birth, parentage or language. And you can become un-American—by rejecting the creed. This dual character softens American patriotism. “My country, right or wrong” may be an American phrase (it comes from a toast by Stephen Decatur, an American naval hero), but only one American in two agrees with it, according to the Pew survey. Only two years after September 11th, fewer than half the respondents supported the statement that “We should try to get even with any country that tries to take advantage of the United States.” However, there is one trend in American opinion that should give pause for thought. Republicans have long been slightly more likely than Democrats to say they are intensely patriotic, but the gap has widened dramatically, and is now by far the largest on record. In 2003, 71% of Republicans said they were intensely patriotic, compared with only 48% of Democrats. An even larger gap has opened up in responses to the proposition that “The best way to ensure peace is through military strength.” The number of Democrats who agreed with that sentiment slumped from 55% in 2002 to 44% this year. The intensity gap may well reflect differing attitudes to the war in Iraq, the domestic effects of which will presumably fade with time. But the gap may also be an early indication of a more lasting split: over the passion of loyalty, and what counts as “real” patriotism.American politics has become more partisan, and nastier THE 2000 election was the third dead-heat in a row. In votes for the House of Representatives, the widest margin of victory between 1996 and 2000 was a mere 1.3 percentage points. Essentially, every presidential and House election came out at a dead heat, 49:49. The 2002 mid-term elections brought a change. In House races, Republicans won 51% of the popular vote, Democrats 46%. As Michael Barone, a political journalist, points out, statistically this margin was not significant, but politically it had a big impact. Republicans captured the Senate, the first time the president's party had ever won the upper chamber at this point in the electoral cycle. They gained 141 seats in statehouses, giving Republicans a majority of state legislators for the first time since 1952. The party kept its majority among state governors. In Washington, it controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency. The victory was highly unusual: most mid-term elections punish the incumbent party, especially at times of economic weakness. But does it presage a bigger electoral breakthrough, the beginning of the end of the 50-50 nation? It might. Ever since the New Deal, there have been more registered Democrats than Republicans. In the four years before September 11th, according to the Pew Research Centre, Democrats held a small advantage in party identification (34% of registered voters described themselves as Democrats, 28% as Republicans). But immediately after the terrorist attacks Democratic affiliation dropped sharply, and in the past two years the parties have been roughly balanced. There was a further rise in Republican identification after the Iraq war earlier this year, so at the moment Republicans have an advantage in party identification for only the second time in 75 years (see chart 5). September 11th seems to have been a turning point. But long-term trends were helping Republicans anyway. The defection of the South—America's most populous region—broke up the old Democratic coalition. In 2002, Republicans won the South by an even larger margin than in their landslide victory of 1994. The rise of an investor class (half of Americans own shares) benefits the party, because middle-class shareholders tend to back Republican causes such as privatising Social Security, the federal pensions system. These long-term trends are reinforced by significant temporary gains. The campaign-finance reform of 2002 shifted the balance of advantage towards the party that raises more cash from individuals, which currently means the Republicans. Sophisticated computer software has turned redistricting—the ability of the dominant party in state assemblies to gerrymander district boundaries—from an art into a science. In 2002, Republicans controlled the legislatures of three big states—Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. By amazing coincidence, in Gore-majority districts where Republicans drew new boundaries, their party won 11 more seats than in 2000. Breaking the deadlock So it is not hard to see why Republican strategists think their party may be on the verge of breaking the 50-50 deadlock. Yet, on balance, the evidence is still against the idea that there has been a fundamental shift in electoral politics. The 2002 elections did not break the mould. For incumbents to gain as much as Republicans did last year is unusual but not unprecedented. Democrats also won against the odds in 1998. And as Gary Jacobson of the University of California at San Diego points out, the Republicans' success in 2002 can be largely explained by special factors. At that point, Mr Bush's personal ratings—the highest of any president—ran well ahead of his ratings on the economy. Usually the two do not differ much. That implies that but for the war on terrorism, which buoyed up his overall popularity, Mr Bush would not have been able to shield Republican candidates from economic discontent. This is unlikely to apply in 2004. Mr Bush's popularity also scared off the Democrats, who fielded a particularly feeble bunch of challengers. They have a few more creditable ones now. Usually, incumbent parties lose seats in mid-term elections because congressmen squeak into marginal seats on the coat-tails of a successful president. But Mr Bush had no coat-tails in 2000, so in 2002 Republicans had fewer vulnerable seats to lose. Add in the special impact of redistricting, and most of the Republican success in 2002 can be explained by the party's skills in squeezing the most out of a largely balanced electorate rather than by a fundamental shift in its favour. There was little evidence that voters were less polarised in 2002 than they had been in 1996-2000. Opposites repel In one sense, that does not matter. If Mr Bush hopes a permanent majority is within his grasp, he may well dash ahead with an ambitious agenda. But he may also do that if he fears the partisan divide is too deep to be overcome. If so, his party's current political dominance would be just a window of opportunity, and he should take advantage of it before it closes. But the persistence of a deep electoral division effects how his policies—or any president's policies—are received and carried out. It tempts Mr Bush (or any Republican) to push for more extreme policies, and any Democrat to push for the opposite extreme. The divide also encourages partisan behaviour among voters. This increasing polarisation could turn out to be the most important trend in American politics today. George Wallace, a former governor of Alabama, used to say there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the parties. But polarisation is growing in Congress. Republicans are now twice as likely to toe the party line in the House and Senate as they were in 1975. Democrats are about one-and a half times as likely. Ad hoc “coalitions of the willing” have become much rarer in domestic politics. Partisanship is rife in congressional committees. Heads of committees used at least to pay lip service to the minority party when proposing legislation, but since Newt Gingrich's takeover in 1994, partisan control has by and large been the rule. Committee chairmen now routinely squelch attempts by Democrats to influence legislation, leading to petty squabbling and ill temper. Partisanship is also evident in redistricting, which has increased the number of safe seats towards North Korean levels. In 2004, only 30-40 congressional seats are likely to be truly competitive—a quarter of the number in the 1990s. Since 1964, the share of House incumbents re-elected with over 60% of the vote has risen from 58% to 77%. This makes congressmen's politics more extreme. If your district is rock-solid, you have little reason to fear that voters will kick you out for moving too far from their opinions. The main threat comes from party activists, who tend to be more extreme in their views and can propose a challenger in primary elections. So the dangers of drifting too far to the middle outweigh those of drifting too far to the extremes. Partisan redistricting marginalises centrist voters, aligns the views of candidates more closely with extremists on each side and radicalises politics. Away from Capitol Hill, partisanship has also grown in lobbying. Both parties have tried to control lobbyists, the fourth branch of American government, but Republicans have got better at it than Democrats. Every Tuesday, lobbyists troop to the office of Rick Santorum, the leader of the Senate Republican conference, to talk about hiring Republicans—an ex-chief of staff here, a pollster there. Republicans place their protégés in lobbying firms. The firms raise money for Republican candidates and help get them elected. Legislators then place their protégés in the firms. And so it goes on. Above all, polarisation has grown in the electorate, evidenced by a sharp decline in split-ticket voting (choosing a president from one party and a congressional representative from another). In 1972, 44% of congressmen and women represented a different party from the one whose presidential candidate carried their district. In 2000, the share was under 20%. The truly independent voter seems to be disappearing. That may seem curious, because those who call themselves independents easily outnumber self-identified Democrats or Republicans. Yet most so-called independents vote consistently one way or the other. The White House reckons that less than one-third of independent voters actually switched parties in the past three elections. With the decline of swing voters, there seems less and less point in running presidential campaigns to appeal to the slim middle. Instead, elections have become contests to mobilise core supporters. The 2000 and 2002 elections were both turn-out races. The upshot is that politics has become warfare. What matters most is the size and bloodthirstiness of your troops, not winning over neutrals. Politicians take the first opportunity to reach for weapons of mass destruction, such as Bill Clinton's impeachment or the recall of Governor Gray Davis in California. It is no longer possible to agree to disagree. Your enemies must be “Stupid White Men”, guilty of “Treason”, who live in a world of “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them” (to quote the titles of three of this year's political bestsellers). Increased partisanship has implications for the nature of America's public debate, the country's decentralised political tradition and Mr Bush himself. Politics as warfare is rooted in debates about fundamental issues. Over the past few years, the Republicans have become the “exceptionalist” party by celebrating America's traditional values and stressing qualities that make the country intrinsically different. Call that conservative exceptionalism. In contrast, Democrats are divided. Mainstream Democrats, including members of the Clinton administration, go for the other type of exceptionalism, the city-on-a-hill variety—though Mr Bush claims to espouse that, too. Others—notably Howard Dean and the left—seem to regard exceptionalism of any kind as a bad thing. Still others embrace what might be called liberal exceptionalism, celebrating America's egalitarian, anti-aristocratic heritage. In different ways, all these distinctions are based on values or principles. Steamrollering the enemy In contrast, winning at all costs is not, or not necessarily. Take the 2002 Senate election in Georgia, one of the nastiest campaigns of recent memory. The Democrat, Max Cleland, who had lost three limbs in Vietnam, was demonised as soft on Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. The culture of victory may supersede arguments about values and substance because conquest becomes imperative. America's political system is decentralised, with proud, distinctive traditions at state level, and national parties that used to be loose coalitions of diverse groups which banded together to win power. Partisanship, on the other hand, is a centralising force that encourages uniformity. America's distinctive political traditions have been tested before, and survived. In the early part of the 20th century, a time of just as much partisanship in voting and in politicians' behaviour, America did not move towards the party-dominated political systems familiar in Europe. But there was less ideological coherence then, and no television or national media groups to reinforce a consistent message. Now localism is weaker. And, at least on the Republican side, it faces a national organisation more disciplined, more firmly under the control of the White House, more fiercely loyal to the president—and more prepared to throw its weight around. In the 2002 elections, the White House intervened to persuade local parties in Minnesota, South Dakota and Georgia to change their senatorial candidate. The White House's choice won in two of the three states against the odds. This does not mean that party structures themselves have strengthened. In fact, in terms of raising money they are weaker than they have been throughout most of American history. But the parties are ideologically more distinct. And within the parties, politicians are more partisan and less diverse in their backgrounds. As for Mr Bush himself, he has proved a polarising president, better at solidifying the Republican base than at extending it. Two years after September 2001, his own party's approval of him stood at over 80%, but Democratic approval had fallen below 20%. This stunning gap marks Mr Bush as even more divisive than Bill Clinton, who suffered just as much from Republicans' hostility as Mr Bush does from Democrats'. But whereas Mr Clinton's policies were more popular than he was, with Mr Bush it is the other way around. His ratings on the economy and tax cuts are lower than his overall approval levels. The next section explains why. How “exceptional” is George Bush? FOR a moment, it seemed that the attacks of September 11th 2001 had created a new opportunity for political leadership. The mayor of New York, Rudolph Giuliani, transformed himself overnight from an effective, if cantankerous, administrator into a symbol of the resilient city. Mr Bush might have emulated him. Americans rallied round the president after the terrorist attacks. His speeches at the time expressed the mood of national determination. His stature as commander-in-chief grew. Yet Mr Bush made no real attempt to unify the nation behind a domestic cause. He made no call for sacrifice, as Franklin Roosevelt had done after Pearl Harbour. Asked what people could do for the nation at a time of crisis, Mr Bush replied: Go back to normal. Go shopping. This could perhaps be regarded as a failure of the president's imagination. But there is another reason. President Bush says he wants to promote America's universal values. In that sense, he is a city-on-the-hill exceptionalist. He also claimed during the 2000 election campaign that he would be “a uniter, not a divider”. But his political personality is too complicated for either claim to be wholly convincing. There are two George Bushes. One is ideological, divisive, willing to tear up the rule book and push strongly conservative policies. This is the Bush loved by Republicans, loathed by Democrats (see chart 6). The other is more incremental and sometimes more bipartisan. Yet even this Bush, who might appeal to the middle, is also surprisingly audacious. His audacity causes wariness among voters who are not strongly inclined for or against him. Big-government conservatism Foreign policy shows Mr Bush in rule-book-destroying mode. He has rejected the cornerstone of cold-war diplomacy, the doctrine of containment, and is unwilling to treat states as legitimate merely because they are internationally recognised or stable. This puts him at odds not only with European, but with cold-war traditions of American diplomacy. In some areas of domestic policy, Mr Bush has been almost as far-reaching. The best example is tax. As Bill Galston of the University of Maryland puts it, “Ronald Reagan thought government was the problem. George Bush thinks tax is the problem.” Mr Bush is in fact more radical, or more determined, than his Republican predecessor. Mr Reagan cut taxes in his first year but increased them later in the face of widening budget deficits. Mr Bush cut them in each of his first three years, despite the prospect, by the third year, of deficits as far as the eye can see. This year, total federal revenues stood at 17% of GDP, the lowest level since 1959, which was long before Medicare, Medicaid, federal education programmes and today's defence build-up. Mr Bush's tax policy is consistent with the “exceptionalist” view that, in a twist on Thomas Jefferson's words, “the government that governs best, taxes least.” It has heightened differences in the tax burden between the two sides of the Atlantic. What about the other George Bush? This is the one who created the biggest new bureaucracy since Harry Truman: the Department of Homeland Security. This is the Bush who has pushed the powers of the federal government into education, hitherto a state preserve, by requiring annual testing of students and raising federal spending to supervise those tests. It is the one who has allowed the Justice Department to detain suspected terrorists for longer periods and with less judicial review. This is the Bush who is trying to set up a national energy policy to reduce dependence on foreign oil; who slapped protectionist barriers on steel; who signed a farm bill costing $180 billion over ten years; who set up a White House office to promote marriage (surely the last thing a conservative government should be poking its nose into). And this is the one urging Congress to expand state health care for the elderly to cover some of the costs of prescription drugs—an action President Clinton's Medicare adviser says would be “the biggest expansion of government health benefits since the Great Society.” In all, the Bush administration in its first three years increased government spending by 21%. It will rise even higher if the president wins a second term and fulfils his promise to reform Social...

...all in all a pretty quiet summer, really.

Sorry, sungam. My rule is no story shorter than my penor.

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Well, back to Edinburgh tomorrow to start school again, I guess. I ticked off exactly 0 climbing goals on what has to be called my shittest climbing summer ever. Got a fair bit of road biking in, but mostly did fuck all. Kinda frustrated about that now but whatever.
How was everyone else's summer, in short? When I say "in short" I'm looking at YOU, Greg. I'm not in the mood for articles right now.

Hmm. My summer. Where to begin...

Well this summer I AT NINE o'clock on the morning of September 11th 2001, President George Bush sat in an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida, listening to seven-year-olds read stories about goats. “Night fell on a different world,” he said of that day. And on a different America.At first, America and the world seemed to change together. “We are all New Yorkers now,” ran an e-mail from Berlin that day, mirroring John F. Kennedy's declaration 40 years earlier, “Ich bin ein Berliner”, and predicting Le Monde's headline the next day, “Nous sommes tous Américains”. And America, for its part, seemed to become more like other countries. Al-Qaeda's strikes, the first on the country's mainland by a foreign enemy, stripped away something unique: its aura of invulnerability, its sense of itself as a place apart, “the city on a hill”. wo days after the event, President George Bush senior predicted that, like Pearl Harbour, “so, too, should this most recent surprise attack erase the concept in some quarters that America can somehow go it alone.” Francis Fukuyama, a professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, suggested that “America may become a more ordinary country in the sense of having concrete interests and real vulnerabilities, rather than thinking itself unilaterally able to define the nature of the world it lives in.” oth men were thinking about foreign policy. But global terrorism changed America at home as well. Because it made national security more important, it enhanced the role of the president and the federal government. Twice as many Americans as in the 1990s now say that they are paying a lot of attention to national affairs, where they used to care more about business and local stories. Some observers noted “a return to seriousness”—and indeed frivolities do not dominate television news as they used to.But America has not become “a more ordinary country”, either in foreign policy or in the domestic arena. Instead, this survey will argue that the attacks of 2001 have increased “American exceptionalism”—a phrase coined by Alexis de Tocqueville in the mid-19th century to describe America's profound differences from other nations. The features that the attacks brought to the surface were already there, but the Bush administration has amplified them. As a result, in the past two years the differences between America and other countries have become more pronounced. et because America is not a homogeneous country—indeed, its heterogeneity is one of its most striking features—many of its people feel uneasy about manifestations of exceptionalism. Hence, as this survey will also argue, the revival and expansion of American exceptionalism will prove divisive at home. This division will define domestic politics for years to come. Not all New Yorkers any more From the outside, the best indication of American exceptionalism is military power. America spends more on defence than the next dozen countries combined. In the nearest approach to an explicit endorsement of exceptionalism in the public domain, the National Security Strategy of 2002 says America must ensure that its current military dominance—often described as the greatest since Rome's—is not even challenged, let alone surpassed. In fact, military might is only a symptom of what makes America itself unusual. The country is exceptional in more profound ways. It is more strongly individualistic than Europe, more patriotic, more religious and culturally more conservative (see chart 1). Al-Qaeda's assaults stimulated two of these deeper characteristics. In the wake of the attacks, expressions of both love of country and love of God spiked. This did not necessarily mean Americans suddenly became more patriotic or religious. Rather, the spike was a reminder of what is important to them. It was like a bolt of lightning, briefly illuminating the landscape but not changing it. The president seized on these manifestations of the American spirit. The day after he had defined America's enemies in his “axis of evil” speech, in January 2002, Mr Bush told an audience in Daytona Beach, Florida, about his country's “mission” in the world. “We're fighting for freedom, and civilisation and universal values.” That is one strand of American exceptionalism. America is the purest example of a nation founded upon universal values, such as democracy and human rights. It is a standard-bearer, an exemplar. But the president went further, seeking to change America's culture and values in ways that would make the country still more distinctive. “We've got a great opportunity,” he said at Daytona. “As a result of evil, there's some amazing things that are taking place in America. People have begun to challenge the culture of the past that said, ‘If it feels good, do it'. This great nation has a chance to help change the culture.” He was appealing to old-fashioned virtues of personal responsibility, self-reliance and restraint, qualities associated with a strand of exceptionalism that says American values and institutions are different and America is exceptional in its essence, not just because it is a standard-bearer. On this view, America is not exceptional because it is powerful; America is powerful because it is exceptional. And because what makes America different also keeps it rich and powerful, an administration that encourages American wealth and power will tend to encourage intrinsic exceptionalism. Walter Russell Mead of the Council on Foreign Relations dubs this impulse “American revivalism”. It is not an explicit ideology but a pattern of beliefs, attitudes and instincts. The Bush administration displays “exceptionalist” characteristics to an unusual extent. It is more openly religious than any of its predecessors. Mr Bush has called Jesus his favourite philosopher. White House staff members arrange Bible study classes. The president's re-election team courts evangelical Protestant voters. The administration wants religious institutions to play a bigger role in social policy. It also wears patriotism on its sleeve. That is not to say it is more patriotic than previous governments, but it flaunts this quality more openly, using images of the flag on every occasion and relishing America's military might to an unusual extent. More than any administration since Ronald Reagan's, this one is focused narrowly on America's national interest. Related to this is a certain disdain for “old Europe” which goes beyond frustrations over policy. By education and background, this is an administration less influenced than usual by those bastions of transatlanticism, Ivy League universities. One-third of President Bush senior's first cabinet secretaries, and half of President Clinton's, had Ivy League degrees. But in the current cabinet the share is down to a quarter. For most members of this administration, who are mainly from the heartland and the American west (Texas especially), Europe seems far away. They have not studied there. They do not follow German novels or French films. Indeed, for many of them, Europe is in some ways unserious. Its armies are a joke. Its people work short hours. They wear sandals and make chocolate. Europe does not capture their imagination in the way that China, the Middle East and America itself do. Mr Bush's own family embodies the shift away from Euro-centrism. His grandfather was a senator from Connecticut, an internationalist and a scion of Brown Brothers Harriman, bluest of blue-blooded Wall Street investment banks. His father epitomised the transatlantic generation. Despite his Yale education, he himself is most at home on his Texas ranch. Looked at this way, the Bush administration's policies are not only responses to specific problems, or to demands made by interest groups. They reflect a certain way of looking at America and the world. They embody American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism is nothing new. But it is getting sharper “EVERYTHING about the Americans,” said Alexis de Tocqueville, “is extraordinary, but what is more extraordinary still is the soil that supports them.” America has natural harbours on two great oceans, access to one of the world's richest fishing areas, an abundance of every possible raw material and a huge range of farmed crops, from cold-weather to tropical. Not only is it the fourth-largest country in the world, but two-thirds of it is habitable, unlike Russia or Canada. Any country occupying America's space on the map would be likely to be unusual. But as de Tocqueville also said, “Physical causes contribute less [to America's distinctiveness] than laws and mores.” In his 1995 book “American Exceptionalism,” Seymour Martin Lipset enumerates some of these laws and social features. In terms of income per head, America is the wealthiest large industrial country. It is also the only western democracy to have practised slavery in the industrial era. It has the highest crime rate and highest rate of imprisonment (though crime, at least, is falling towards European levels). Its society is among the most religious in the world. Perhaps less obviously, Americans are more likely than almost anyone else to join voluntary associations. America has a highly decentralised political system, with federal, state and local governments all collecting their own taxes, writing their own laws and administering their own affairs. Its federal government spends a relatively low share of national income. The country has more elective offices than any other, including, in some states, those of judges, which means that in each four-year cycle America holds about 1m elections. Not surprisingly, perhaps, it also has one of the lowest voter turn-outs, making it at once the most and the least democratic democracy. It has no large socialist party, and never has had. Nor has it ever had a significant fascist movement. Unlike conservative parties in Europe, its home-grown version has no aristocratic roots. America has one of the lowest tax rates among rich countries, the least generous public services, the highest military spending, the most lawyers per head, the highest proportion of young people at universities and the most persistent work ethic. But the term “exceptionalism” is more than a description of how America differs from the rest of the world. It also encompasses the significance of those differences and the policies based upon them. People have been searching for some wider meaning to the place since its earliest days. In 1630, the year the Massachusetts Bay Company was founded, John Winthrop, the colony's governor, described his new land as “a city upon a hill, the eyes of all people are upon us.” And as they have looked, people have found two quite different reasons for thinking that America is special. One is that it is uniquely founded on principles to which any country can aspire. In 1787, Alexander Hamilton wrote in the first Federalist Paper that “It seems to have been reserved to the people of this country, by their conduct and example, to decide the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force.” That is America-as-model. George Bush has embraced the idea. Commemorating the first anniversary of the attacks of September 11th 2001, he said that “the ideal of America is the hope of all mankind.” He was echoing Lincoln, who called America “the last, best hope of earth”. But exceptionalism has another meaning: that America is intrinsically different from other countries in its values and institutions, and is therefore not necessarily a model. Thomas Jefferson said that “Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours are perhaps more peculiar than those of any other in the universe.” In 1929, Jay Lovestone, the head of the American communist party, was summoned to Moscow. Stalin demanded to know why the worldwide communist revolution had advanced not one step in the largest capitalist country. Lovestone replied that America lacked the preconditions for communism, such as feudalism and aristocracy. No less an authority than Friedrich Engels had said the same thing, talking of “the special American conditions...which make bourgeois conditions look like a beau idéal to them.” So had an Italian Marxist, Antonio Gramsci, and a British socialist, H.G. Wells, who had both argued that America's unique origins had produced a distinctive value system and unusual politics. Lovestone was purged, but his argument still has force: America is exceptional partly because it is peculiar. As usual, de Tocqueville had thought about both meanings of exceptionalism before anyone else. In his book “Democracy in America”, he described not only what is particular to democracy, especially the way in which it changes how people think and act (what he calls “the quiet action of society upon itself”). He also described what was, and is, particular to America: its size, the institutions it had inherited from England, its decentralised administration. These two versions of American exceptionalism have more in common than might appear at first sight. Both suggest that the experience of America is open to others. The idea of America-as-model implies that other countries can come to be more like America, though American differences may still persist over time. The idea that America is intrinsically different is also consistent with the notion that outsiders can become American, but they must go there to do it and become citizens—hence America's extraordinary capacity to assimilate immigrants. There are three points to grasp from this gallop through the history of American exceptionalism. First, it is, as Mr Lipset put it, a double-edged sword. It helps explain the best and the worst about the country: its business innovation and its economic inequality; its populist democracy and its low voter turn-out; its high spending on education and its deplorable rates of infant mortality and teenage pregnancy. Exceptionalism is often used either as a boast or as a condemnation—though in reality it is neither. Second, the two strands help explain why exceptionalism is divisive within America itself. Most Americans are doubtless proud of the “exemplary” qualities of their country. But the non-exemplary, more peculiar features do not always command universal approval. Third, there should be nothing surprising, or necessarily disturbing, in a revival of exceptionalism. America has almost always been seen as different. The question is: has anything changed recently? Unparallel tracks It is always risky to proclaim a break in a trend. Yet evidence is growing that, over the past decade or so, America has been changing in ways that do make it more different from its allies in Europe, and September 11th has increased this divergence. Most of the previous half-century was a period of convergence. Between 1945 and about 1990, America and Europe seemed to be growing more like one another in almost every way that matters. Economically, Europe began the post-war period in ruins. According to Angus Maddison, an economic historian, in 1950 average incomes in western Europe were 54% of American ones. By the early 1990s, the ratio had passed 80%. Richer EU countries now boast a standard of living comparable to America's. Until the mid-1980s, America and Europe also both had stable populations, declining fertility rates and growing numbers of old people. In the 1960s, America moved closer towards European levels of government spending through the Great Society programmes. This was the start of Medicaid for the poor and, later, increased regulation of industry through bodies like the Environmental Protection Agency. With Watergate and the Vietnam war, America started to approach European levels of cynicism about government and military intervention abroad. In 1976, a sociologist, Daniel Bell, wrote a book whose title encapsulated the conventional wisdom of the time: “The End of American Exceptionalism”. Later changes seemed to prove him right. In the 1980s, European countries started to organise their economies on more American lines. Governments privatised and deregulated. Companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange, set up NASDAQ clones and started using share prices to measure a company's or manager's performance. In politics, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were both engaged in similar projects to shrink the size of the state. Bill Clinton (who was wildly popular in Europe) proclaimed himself a paid-up member of the largely European “third way”. When communism collapsed, Mr Fukuyama hailed “The End of History”. Countries, he argued, would henceforth tend to become more alike, more democratic, more liberal, more globalised. There would be less exceptionalism, of the American or any other kind. But things did not work out that way in foreign affairs, and other sorts of convergence may be coming to an end, too. The demographic differences are now startling. Around 1985, America's fertility rate bottomed out and began to rise again. It is now at almost two children per woman, just below the replacement level of 2.1, and looks set to rise further. Europe's fertility rate is below 1.4 and falling. Even China's is 1.8, and its birth rate is dropping fast. At the moment, the EU's population is considerably larger than America's—380m against 280m—and will grow further with enlargement next year. China's is nearly four times as large as America's. But on current trends, by the middle of this century America's population could be 440m-550m, larger than the EU's even after enlargement, and nearly half China's, rather than a quarter. America will also be noticeably younger then and ethnically more varied. At the moment, its median age is roughly the same as Europe's (36 against 38). By 2050, according to Bill Frey of the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, America's median age will still be around 36, but Europe's will have risen to 53 (and China's will be 44). In the 1990s, America took in the largest number of immigrants it had ever seen in one decade: 33m people now living in the country were born outside it, and Latinos have become the largest ethnic group. “America,” says Hania Zlotnik of the United Nations Population Division, “is the world's great demographic outlier.” Then there is the technology gap. Each year, more patents are applied for in America than in the European Union. America has almost three times as many Nobel prize-winners than the next country (Britain), and spends more on research and development than any other country. On one measure of academic performance, over 90 of the world's top 100 universities are in America. Europe and America have also been diverging economically, though one should be cautious about that. In the seven years from 1995 to 2001, real GDP rose by 3.3% a year in America but by only 2.5% a year in the European Union. The bursting of the stockmarket bubble and the subsequent recession reversed this pattern—in 2001, GDP growth was higher in Europe than America—but the gap opened up again as the economies recovered. On current estimates and forecasts, growth in America in the three years to 2004 will average 1.3 percentage points a year more than in the 12-country euro area. Some 60% of the world's economic growth since 1995 has come from America. These relative economic gains may be reversed. It is hard to see how the country can sustain both its huge trade and budget deficits. On the other hand, its growth in the 1990s reflected a big improvement in productivity, which rose by over 2% a year in the 1990s. The number of hours worked also rose. In 1982, Europeans and Americans put in roughly the same number of hours each year. Now, Americans work a daunting 300 hours a year more. These divergences began at different times and for different reasons. The demographic gap began to open up as long ago as the mid-1980s. Economies started to diverge in the mid-1990s. Even in the area most relevant to the terrorist attacks—foreign policy—the roots of transatlantic differences arguably go back to the fall of communism in 1989-91. September 11th did not create these tensions, but it dramatised some of them. The attacks took place at a time when America was governed by an administration already less engaged in Europe than any in recent history, and when almost all the other measures were, for the first time in 50 years, pointing in the same direction—away from Europe, as well as from much of the rest of the world. If this pattern continues, America may be entering a period of even greater dominance in world affairs. That alone makes American exceptionalism of more than domestic importance. American power will be divisive abroad—but it will also bring conflict at home, because a significant portion of Americans does not believe that the era of convergence is over. When Howard Dean, a Democratic presidential candidate, said that “We won't always have the strongest military,” he was slapped down by his own party as well as by Republicans. But he touched a nerve. The next section will explain how exceptionalism divides America as well as defining it. American values divide as well as define the country THE new National Constitution Centre in Philadelphia stands three blocks from where the Declaration of Independence and the American constitution were adopted. Post-it notes are dotted around the museum for visitors to reply to questions such as “What does it mean to be an American?”“It means I have a responsibility and obligation to protect my freedom and that of my children,” runs one typical reply. Or: “It means to say when I disagree.” Or: “Sometimes it means unbridled capitalism.” To a second question, “Should the ten commandments be displayed in public buildings?” the replies range from, “They are the foundational laws for the constitution” to, “We have the right to freedom from religion.” And to a third, “What makes you feel free?”, they include: “Our military forces willing to give their lives for mine”; “Not to have to think about it”; or simply, “USA rocks!” American values are distinctive, but not uniformly so. Patriotism and religious faith are unusually strong. Americans stress personal responsibility rather than collective goals. Many are fairly conservative in their social opinions and are somewhat more likely than Europeans to disapprove of divorce, abortion and homosexuality. Yet people on both sides of the Atlantic find international terrorism and the spread of weapons of mass destruction equally worrying. And Americans are in some ways more open than Europeans—or were, until the terrorist attacks of 2001 made them less welcoming—in their greater approval of immigration and the value of “other cultures”. It is this particular combination of values, as much as strong patriotism or religiosity, that really makes America stand out. Begin with an area of clear difference: attitudes to the role of government in a free market. People in almost every country surveyed by the Pew Research Centre in 2003 say they are better off in a free-market economy. But asked which is more important—that the government should guarantee no one is in need, or that it should not constrain the pursuit of personal goals—Europeans in both east and west come down roughly two-thirds/one-third in favour of a safety net, whereas Americans split two-thirds/one-third the other way. However, when asked, “Does the government control too much of your daily life? Is it usually inefficient and wasteful?”, two-thirds of respondents on both sides of the Atlantic say yes. So the differences seem to have less to do with the way that governments are viewed, and more to do with Americans' belief in the importance of individual effort. Pew's pollsters sought to measure this belief by asking people in 44 countries, “Do you agree or disagree that success is determined by forces outside your control?” In most countries, fewer than half thought that success was within their control. In only two did more than 60% consider success a matter of individual effort: Canada and, by the widest margin, the United States. In other areas, American exceptionalism is less clear-cut. For example, nine out of ten Americans say they are very patriotic, according to Pew. But Indians, Nigerians and Turks are equally patriotic. Among wealthy nations, Americans are also the most likely to go to church and to say God is very important in their lives, but again Indians, Nigerians and Turks are more religious than Americans. Lots of Americans like to buy products that shout, “I'm large. I'm loud. I'm ready for anything,” such as army assault vehicles lightly disguised as cars, or outdoor grills the size of small kitchens, or Arnold Schwarzenegger. David Brooks, a New York Times columnist, calls this “getting in touch with your inner longshoreman”. Yet at the same time Americans seem to be developing a more restrained side. They are just as likely as Europeans to say that people with AIDS should not be discriminated against. Support for the idea that “women should return to traditional roles in society” has fallen from just under a third in the late 1980s to about a fifth now, roughly the same as in Europe. Both Americans and Europeans overwhelmingly disagree that when jobs are scarce men should be given priority. Americans are slightly less likely than Europeans to find homosexuality socially acceptable, and less likely to support gay marriage, but tolerance of gays is on the increase (see chart 3). Americans also tend to be fairly positive about the contribution of immigrants to society, whereas in most of the rest of the industrial world more than half the population thinks immigrants are bad for their countries. These differences and similarities are best understood as values arranged along two spectrums of opinion. One spectrum, says the World Values Survey of the University of Michigan (which invented the idea), measures “traditional values”. The most important of these is patriotism; others concern religion and traditional family ties. Americans tend to be traditionalists. A remarkable 80% say they hold “old-fashioned values” about family and marriage. At the other end of this spectrum are “secular-rational” values, for whose adherents religion is a personal, optional matter, patriotism is not a big concern and children have their own lives to lead. Europeans tend to be secular-rationalists. On this spectrum, America is indeed exceptional. The other spectrum measures “quality of life” attitudes. At one end of it are the values and opinions people hold when economic and physical insecurity dominates their lives, as often happens in poor countries. This makes them suspicious of outsiders, cautious about changing patterns of work and reluctant to engage in political activity. At the other end are values of self-expression involving the acceptance of a wide range of behaviour. On this score, Americans and Europeans are similar, because neither group is engaged in a struggle for survival any more. But the two spectrums together suggest that there is a “values gap” within America itself too. In Europe, countries have become both more secular and more “self-expressive” as they have got richer. In America, this did not happen. That has profound implications. E pluribus duo In 1999, Gertrude Himmelfarb, a social historian, argued that America is becoming “One Nation, Two Cultures”. One is religious, puritanical, family-centred and somewhat conformist. The other is tolerant, hedonistic, secular, predominantly single and celebrates multiculturalism. These value judgments are the best predictor of political affiliation, far better than wealth or income. In the 2000 election, 63% of those who went to church more than once a week voted for George Bush; 61% of those who never went voted for Al Gore. About 70% of those who said abortion should always be available voted for Mr Gore; 74% of those who said it should always be illegal voted for Mr Bush. As Pete du Pont, a former governor of Delaware, pointed out, a map showing the sales and rentals of porn movies bore an eerie resemblance to the map of the 2000 election results. America, it is said, can live together because Americans live apart. The two cultures occupy different worlds. Traditionalists are concentrated in a great L-shape on the map, the spine of the Rockies forming its vertical arm, its horizontal one cutting a swathe through the South. With a couple of exceptions, all these “red states” voted for Mr Bush in 2000. The rest of the country is more secular. This includes the Pacific coast and the square outlined by the big L, consisting of the north-eastern and upper mid-western states. With a few exceptions, these “blue states” voted for Mr Gore in 2000. Their differences are deeply entrenched. Traditionalists are heavily concentrated in smaller towns and rural areas. Secularists dominate big cities. Southerners tend to be a bit more religious, a bit more socially conservative and more supportive of a strong military stance than the rest of the country. Intriguingly, black southerners are more conservative than blacks elsewhere, though less conservative than their white neighbours. The political effect of these differences is increasing. For historical reasons (Republicans having been the anti-slavery party in the civil war), white southerners were part of the Democratic coalition, circumscribing for many years the political impact of southern conservatism. Now, as the region becomes more Republican, that conservatism is getting noisier. In contrast, multiculturalism is deeply entrenched in blue states. The states with the highest levels of immigration of Latinos and Asians include New York, New Jersey, New Mexico and California—what Mr Frey calls America's new melting-pots. Mr Gore won all of them, except Texas and Florida. These were special cases: both had governors called Bush; both had seen the largest inflow from other parts of America of white immigrants, who tend to be more conservative. The differences between the two Americas seem to be getting sharper. A new survey of American values by Pew finds greater social and sexual tolerance, yet also more strictness on matters of personal morality. The number of people saying they completely agree that there are clear and universal guidelines about good and evil has risen from one-third to two-fifths in the space of 15 years. One of America's characteristic features is its sunny optimism, the sense that anything is possible. Yet there is an 18-point gap between the number of Democrats and Republicans who agree with the statement “I don't believe there are any real limits to growth in this country today.” Democrats are usually keener than Republicans to urge the administration to pay attention to domestic issues. This gap has widened from three points in 1997 to 16 points now. On America's role in the world, the importance of military strength and patriotism itself, the gap between the parties has never been wider. So if there is a revival of exceptionalism—in the sense both of greater divergence from other countries, and of policies based on it—it will be controversial. Red states are likely to welcome it. Blue states probably will not. But there are complicating factors. The red-blue split implies that two tribes are forming, with people within each of them thinking more or less alike. In reality, things are rarely that clear-cut. In his book “A California State of Mind”, published in 2002, Mark Baldassare of the Public Policy Institute in San Francisco showed that voters in that state do not fit the bifurcated pattern of the 2000 election. California is one of the most solidly Democratic (blue) states. Most voters call themselves socially liberal and environmentally friendly, which seem like “European” attributes. Yet in other ways California is as unEuropean as you can get, a place of swirling ethnicities that looks towards Latin America and Asia. Californians wanted the large tax revenues the state had generated during the boom years of the 1990s to be spent on social programmes, rather than handed back in tax cuts—again, a European impulse. Yet, in flat contradiction, they did not want their state government to grow because they did not trust politicians to spend the money wisely—an exceptionalist, American characteristic. powerpoint sermons in a traditional church, you can: they are piped into one by video link. Or you can watch the service on huge video screens while sipping a cappuccino in an outdoor café. But in case you think this is religion lite, Rick Warren, the pastor, will quickly encourage you to join one of the thousands of smaller groups that are the real life of the church. Saddleback members will help you find a school, a friend, a job or God. There is a “Geeks for God” club of Cisco employees, and a mountain-bike club where they pray and pedal. To Europeans, religion is the strangest and most disturbing feature of American exceptionalism. They worry that fundamentalists are hijacking the country. They find it extraordinary that three times as many Americans believe in the virgin birth as in evolution. They fear that America will go on a “crusade” (a term briefly used by Mr Bush himself) in the Muslim world or cut aid to poor countries lest it be used for birth control. The persistence of religion as a public force is all the more puzzling because it seems to run counter to historical trends. Like the philosophers of the Enlightenment, many Europeans argue that modernisation is the enemy of religion. As countries get richer, organised religion will decline. Secular Europe seems to fit that pattern. America does not. In fact, points out Peter Berger, head of the Institute on Religion and World Affairs at Boston University, few developing countries have shown signs of religious decline as their standards of living have risen. It may be Europe that is the exception here, not America. There is no doubt, though, that America is the most religious rich country. Over 80% of Americans say they believe in God, and 39% describe themselves as born-again Christians. Furthermore, 58% of Americans think that unless you believe in God, you cannot be a moral person. There is also some evidence that private belief is becoming more intense. The Pew Research Centre reported that the number of those who “agree strongly” with three articles of faith (belief in God, in judgment day and in the importance of prayer in daily life) rose by seven to ten points in 1965-2003. In the late 1980s, two-fifths of Protestants described themselves as “born again”; now the figure is over half. The importance of religion in America goes well beyond personal belief. Back in the 1960s, Gallup polls found that 53% of Americans thought churches should not be involved in politics, and 22% thought members of the clergy should not even mention candidates for public office from the pulpit. By 1996, these numbers had reversed: 54% thought it was fine for churches to talk about political and social issues, and 20% thought even stump speeches were permissible in church. For God and Republicanism These shifts in opinion have given a boost to one particular group of churches: evangelical Protestants. They embrace a variety of denominations, including Baptist, Confessional and Pentecostal churches, all of which stress individual salvation and the word of the Bible rather than sacraments or established doctrine. In 1987, they were the third-largest religious group in America, with a membership of 24% of the adult population; now they are the largest, with 30%. The percentage of Catholics has stayed stable, largely thanks to Latino immigrants, but established Protestant churches, such as Presbyterians, have declined sharply. A marriage of church and politics Evangelical Protestants bear out the European view that religion in America is politically active, socially conservative and overwhelmingly Republican. Almost two-thirds of committed evangelicals—the ones who attend church most frequently and say they hold strictly to the Bible—describe themselves as conservative, by far the largest proportion of any religious group. They are also more likely than other churchgoers to rate social and cultural issues as important, somewhat more likely to say homosexuality should be discouraged, and most likely to want to rein in the scope of government. Over time, evangelicals have become more willing to engage in politics, too. White evangelical Protestants represent almost a third of registered voters now, up from slightly below a quarter in 1987. Their leaders have tried to unite the various evangelical churches as a political force, establishing the Moral Majority in 1979 and the Christian Coalition in 1989. Their comments speak for themselves. Franklin Graham (Billy's son) called Islam “a wicked religion”. The former president of the Southern Baptist Convention called the Prophet Muhammad “a demon-possessed pedophile”. Such political activism, the growth of new churches and the increased intensity of belief has led some to argue that America may be in the early stages of a fourth Great Awakening, a period of religious fervour when the variety, vigour, size and public involvement of religious groups suddenly increases. Earlier awakenings occurred in the late colonial period, the 1820s and the late 19th century. Might the same thing be happening again? The evidence seems to be against it. Church attendance has not been increasing, as a new awakening would suggest. The Gallup organisation found that it fell slowly in the 1960s and 1970s, stabilised in 1980 and has remained level since then, with about two-thirds of the population claiming membership of a church. These findings are based on how often people say they go to church, something they tend to exaggerate. But a collection of records from the churches themselves, summarised by Harvard University's Robert Putnam, shows the same pattern (see chart 4). So do figures from the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, which show that in 2000 some 141m Americans—or half the population—were members of a church. That is a lot, but it falls well short of the four-fifths who believe in God as a private matter. And it is active churchgoing that makes the difference between private belief and public consequences. Even among fundamentalist Protestants, public influence is patchy. There was, for example, no huge turn-out of conservative Christians in the 1998 mid-term elections, even though the Lewinsky scandal infuriated religious voters. After President Bill Clinton's impeachment and acquittal, Paul Weyrich, a leader of the Moral Majority, wrote to the Washington Post to say that conservative Christians had “lost the culture wars”—hardly evidence of growing influence. It is not even clear how important religion is in determining the political and social views of evangelical Protestants. The largest concentration of these churches is in the South, among whites. But white southerners held conservative views on homosexuality, government, defence and so on long before the Moral Majority was invented. It is just as likely that social conservatism has encouraged evangelical churches as the other way around. The Pew study tried to disentangle the role of religion in determining churchgoers' views from other factors, and found that only in social and cultural attitudes (on matters like abortion and homosexuality) was religion alone a powerful factor. Even there, broader demographic factors were more important. Don't believe a word of it Lastly, although the number and membership of charismatic churches has certainly grown, there has been an offsetting increase in those who describe themselves as of no religion at all. Since 1960, the number of self-described secularists (atheists, agnostics and those not affiliated to any organised religion) has roughly doubled. According to a survey by the City University of New York (CUNY), 14% of Americans between 18 and 34 describe themselves as “secular” and a further 9% as “somewhat secular”. Secularists are more likely to live on the Pacific coast or in the north-east, in a city, have a college degree, be male, single, and either lean towards the Democrats or be politically independent. Committed evangelicals are more likely to live in the south, vote Republican, lack a college degree, live in towns or rural areas, and be female and married. In other words, America looks like two tribes, one religious and one secular. But the really distinctive feature of American religion is the area in the middle. Most Americans do not become members of a church to sign up for a crusade or to sit in judgment on miserable sinners. For them, churchgoing is a matter of personal belief, not conservative activism. Their religion is mild. In 1965, according to Gallup, half of respondents said the most important purpose of their church was to teach people to live better lives. Since then, the share has grown to almost three-quarters. This is the biggest change in America's religious life in the past 40 years. Alan Wolfe, of the Boisi Institute for the Study of Religion at Boston College, points out that American religion is exceptional in two senses: not only are Americans more religious than Europeans, but they have no national church. Thanks to the separation of church and state, the country has nothing comparable to, say, the Catholic churches of Italy and Spain, or the Church of England. Americans are members of sects. The two kinds of religious exceptionalism are connected. Rather as in the economic sphere competing private companies tend to produce wealth and activity, whereas monopoly firms have the opposite effect, so in the religious sphere competing sects generate a ferment of activity and increased levels of belief, whereas state churches produce indifference. This has implications for the quality of American belief. Churches come and go with astonishing speed. The statisticians of American religious bodies tracked 187 denominations (and there were many more) between 1990 and 2000; in that time 37 disappeared and 54 new ones appeared on the scene. Adherents and pastors, too, are constantly on the move. One study found that half the pastors of so-called “mega-churches” (suburban ones like Saddleback, with Sunday congregations of 2,000 or more) have moved from another denomination. According to the CUNY study, 16% of American adults—33m people—say they have switched denominations. For some churches the share of new adherents was startlingly high. In 2001, 30% of Pentecostalists had joined from another church and 19% had left; among Presbyterians, 24% came in and 25% went out. Such churning limits doctrinal purism, which might otherwise be expected in a new church. Instead, churches try to attract floating believers—what Wade Clark Roof, a sociologist, calls “a generation of seekers”. According to Mr Wolfe, American churches are therapeutic, not judgmental. They stress “soft” qualities such as guidance and mutual help, not “hard” ones like sin and damnation. This means that the charismatic and evangelical churches are not typical of the whole of religious life in America. If the pattern of public opinion in general is bell-shaped, that of religious belief has the profile of a Volkswagen Beetle: a bump of evangelical Protestants at the front, a bigger bulge of uncensorious congregations in the middle and a stubby secular tail. That must temper the notion that religion is running amok in America, or that it is causing America to run amok in the world. At Saddleback church, Rick Warren preaches that abortion is wrong. On a recent Sunday, anti-abortion groups lobbied for their cause as parishioners left church. Mr Warren told them not to return. He agreed with their views, but members of his church, and newcomers, might not. He did not want abortion to get between members and the more important matter of their relationship with God. American patriotism is different from the European variety HERMANIO BERMANIS holds up his right hand to take the oath of American citizenship. Half a million do the same every year, but this ceremony is unusual. It is being held in the Walter Reed military hospital, in the presence of two cabinet members, because Army Specialist Bermanis, who was born in Micronesia, had both legs and his left arm blown off on active service in Iraq. His right hand is all he has to hold up. The ceremony gave expression to a powerful sentiment: American patriotism. As de Tocqueville noted long ago, “The inhabitants of the United States speak much of their love for their native country.” Seymour Martin Lipset begins his book on American exceptionalism with a remark unusual for an academic: “I write as a proud American.” In a new survey of American values by the Pew Research Centre, fully 91% of Americans say they are very patriotic. Europeans have long been bothered by this feature of American life. De Tocqueville again: “There is nothing more annoying...than this irritable patriotism of the Americans.” But since September 11th the Europeans have become even more disturbed. They associate patriotism with militarism, intolerance and ethnic strife. No wonder they consider it an alarming quality in the world's most powerful country. Yet European and American patriotism are different. Patriotic Europeans take pride in a nation, a tract of land or a language they are born into. You cannot become un-French. In contrast, patriotic Americans have a dual loyalty: both to their country and to the ideas it embodies. “He loved his country,” said Lincoln of Henry Clay, “partly because it was his own country, but mostly because it was a free country.” As the English writer G.K. Chesterton said in 1922, America is the only country based on a creed, enshrined in its constitution and declaration of independence. People become American by adopting the creed, regardless of their own place of birth, parentage or language. And you can become un-American—by rejecting the creed. This dual character softens American patriotism. “My country, right or wrong” may be an American phrase (it comes from a toast by Stephen Decatur, an American naval hero), but only one American in two agrees with it, according to the Pew survey. Only two years after September 11th, fewer than half the respondents supported the statement that “We should try to get even with any country that tries to take advantage of the United States.” However, there is one trend in American opinion that should give pause for thought. Republicans have long been slightly more likely than Democrats to say they are intensely patriotic, but the gap has widened dramatically, and is now by far the largest on record. In 2003, 71% of Republicans said they were intensely patriotic, compared with only 48% of Democrats. An even larger gap has opened up in responses to the proposition that “The best way to ensure peace is through military strength.” The number of Democrats who agreed with that sentiment slumped from 55% in 2002 to 44% this year. The intensity gap may well reflect differing attitudes to the war in Iraq, the domestic effects of which will presumably fade with time. But the gap may also be an early indication of a more lasting split: over the passion of loyalty, and what counts as “real” patriotism.American politics has become more partisan, and nastier THE 2000 election was the third dead-heat in a row. In votes for the House of Representatives, the widest margin of victory between 1996 and 2000 was a mere 1.3 percentage points. Essentially, every presidential and House election came out at a dead heat, 49:49. The 2002 mid-term elections brought a change. In House races, Republicans won 51% of the popular vote, Democrats 46%. As Michael Barone, a political journalist, points out, statistically this margin was not significant, but politically it had a big impact. Republicans captured the Senate, the first time the president's party had ever won the upper chamber at this point in the electoral cycle. They gained 141 seats in statehouses, giving Republicans a majority of state legislators for the first time since 1952. The party kept its majority among state governors. In Washington, it controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency. The victory was highly unusual: most mid-term elections punish the incumbent party, especially at times of economic weakness. But does it presage a bigger electoral breakthrough, the beginning of the end of the 50-50 nation? It might. Ever since the New Deal, there have been more registered Democrats than Republicans. In the four years before September 11th, according to the Pew Research Centre, Democrats held a small advantage in party identification (34% of registered voters described themselves as Democrats, 28% as Republicans). But immediately after the terrorist attacks Democratic affiliation dropped sharply, and in the past two years the parties have been roughly balanced. There was a further rise in Republican identification after the Iraq war earlier this year, so at the moment Republicans have an advantage in party identification for only the second time in 75 years (see chart 5). September 11th seems to have been a turning point. But long-term trends were helping Republicans anyway. The defection of the South—America's most populous region—broke up the old Democratic coalition. In 2002, Republicans won the South by an even larger margin than in their landslide victory of 1994. The rise of an investor class (half of Americans own shares) benefits the party, because middle-class shareholders tend to back Republican causes such as privatising Social Security, the federal pensions system. These long-term trends are reinforced by significant temporary gains. The campaign-finance reform of 2002 shifted the balance of advantage towards the party that raises more cash from individuals, which currently means the Republicans. Sophisticated computer software has turned redistricting—the ability of the dominant party in state assemblies to gerrymander district boundaries—from an art into a science. In 2002, Republicans controlled the legislatures of three big states—Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. By amazing coincidence, in Gore-majority districts where Republicans drew new boundaries, their party won 11 more seats than in 2000. Breaking the deadlock So it is not hard to see why Republican strategists think their party may be on the verge of breaking the 50-50 deadlock. Yet, on balance, the evidence is still against the idea that there has been a fundamental shift in electoral politics. The 2002 elections did not break the mould. For incumbents to gain as much as Republicans did last year is unusual but not unprecedented. Democrats also won against the odds in 1998. And as Gary Jacobson of the University of California at San Diego points out, the Republicans' success in 2002 can be largely explained by special factors. At that point, Mr Bush's personal ratings—the highest of any president—ran well ahead of his ratings on the economy. Usually the two do not differ much. That implies that but for the war on terrorism, which buoyed up his overall popularity, Mr Bush would not have been able to shield Republican candidates from economic discontent. This is unlikely to apply in 2004. Mr Bush's popularity also scared off the Democrats, who fielded a particularly feeble bunch of challengers. They have a few more creditable ones now. Usually, incumbent parties lose seats in mid-term elections because congressmen squeak into marginal seats on the coat-tails of a successful president. But Mr Bush had no coat-tails in 2000, so in 2002 Republicans had fewer vulnerable seats to lose. Add in the special impact of redistricting, and most of the Republican success in 2002 can be explained by the party's skills in squeezing the most out of a largely balanced electorate rather than by a fundamental shift in its favour. There was little evidence that voters were less polarised in 2002 than they had been in 1996-2000. Opposites repel In one sense, that does not matter. If Mr Bush hopes a permanent majority is within his grasp, he may well dash ahead with an ambitious agenda. But he may also do that if he fears the partisan divide is too deep to be overcome. If so, his party's current political dominance would be just a window of opportunity, and he should take advantage of it before it closes. But the persistence of a deep electoral division effects how his policies—or any president's policies—are received and carried out. It tempts Mr Bush (or any Republican) to push for more extreme policies, and any Democrat to push for the opposite extreme. The divide also encourages partisan behaviour among voters. This increasing polarisation could turn out to be the most important trend in American politics today. George Wallace, a former governor of Alabama, used to say there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the parties. But polarisation is growing in Congress. Republicans are now twice as likely to toe the party line in the House and Senate as they were in 1975. Democrats are about one-and a half times as likely. Ad hoc “coalitions of the willing” have become much rarer in domestic politics. Partisanship is rife in congressional committees. Heads of committees used at least to pay lip service to the minority party when proposing legislation, but since Newt Gingrich's takeover in 1994, partisan control has by and large been the rule. Committee chairmen now routinely squelch attempts by Democrats to influence legislation, leading to petty squabbling and ill temper. Partisanship is also evident in redistricting, which has increased the number of safe seats towards North Korean levels. In 2004, only 30-40 congressional seats are likely to be truly competitive—a quarter of the number in the 1990s. Since 1964, the share of House incumbents re-elected with over 60% of the vote has risen from 58% to 77%. This makes congressmen's politics more extreme. If your district is rock-solid, you have little reason to fear that voters will kick you out for moving too far from their opinions. The main threat comes from party activists, who tend to be more extreme in their views and can propose a challenger in primary elections. So the dangers of drifting too far to the middle outweigh those of drifting too far to the extremes. Partisan redistricting marginalises centrist voters, aligns the views of candidates more closely with extremists on each side and radicalises politics. Away from Capitol Hill, partisanship has also grown in lobbying. Both parties have tried to control lobbyists, the fourth branch of American government, but Republicans have got better at it than Democrats. Every Tuesday, lobbyists troop to the office of Rick Santorum, the leader of the Senate Republican conference, to talk about hiring Republicans—an ex-chief of staff here, a pollster there. Republicans place their protégés in lobbying firms. The firms raise money for Republican candidates and help get them elected. Legislators then place their protégés in the firms. And so it goes on. Above all, polarisation has grown in the electorate, evidenced by a sharp decline in split-ticket voting (choosing a president from one party and a congressional representative from another). In 1972, 44% of congressmen and women represented a different party from the one whose presidential candidate carried their district. In 2000, the share was under 20%. The truly independent voter seems to be disappearing. That may seem curious, because those who call themselves independents easily outnumber self-identified Democrats or Republicans. Yet most so-called independents vote consistently one way or the other. The White House reckons that less than one-third of independent voters actually switched parties in the past three elections. With the decline of swing voters, there seems less and less point in running presidential campaigns to appeal to the slim middle. Instead, elections have become contests to mobilise core supporters. The 2000 and 2002 elections were both turn-out races. The upshot is that politics has become warfare. What matters most is the size and bloodthirstiness of your troops, not winning over neutrals. Politicians take the first opportunity to reach for weapons of mass destruction, such as Bill Clinton's impeachment or the recall of Governor Gray Davis in California. It is no longer possible to agree to disagree. Your enemies must be “Stupid White Men”, guilty of “Treason”, who live in a world of “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them” (to quote the titles of three of this year's political bestsellers). Increased partisanship has implications for the nature of America's public debate, the country's decentralised political tradition and Mr Bush himself. Politics as warfare is rooted in debates about fundamental issues. Over the past few years, the Republicans have become the “exceptionalist” party by celebrating America's traditional values and stressing qualities that make the country intrinsically different. Call that conservative exceptionalism. In contrast, Democrats are divided. Mainstream Democrats, including members of the Clinton administration, go for the other type of exceptionalism, the city-on-a-hill variety—though Mr Bush claims to espouse that, too. Others—notably Howard Dean and the left—seem to regard exceptionalism of any kind as a bad thing. Still others embrace what might be called liberal exceptionalism, celebrating America's egalitarian, anti-aristocratic heritage. In different ways, all these distinctions are based on values or principles. Steamrollering the enemy In contrast, winning at all costs is not, or not necessarily. Take the 2002 Senate election in Georgia, one of the nastiest campaigns of recent memory. The Democrat, Max Cleland, who had lost three limbs in Vietnam, was demonised as soft on Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. The culture of victory may supersede arguments about values and substance because conquest becomes imperative. America's political system is decentralised, with proud, distinctive traditions at state level, and national parties that used to be loose coalitions of diverse groups which banded together to win power. Partisanship, on the other hand, is a centralising force that encourages uniformity. America's distinctive political traditions have been tested before, and survived. In the early part of the 20th century, a time of just as much partisanship in voting and in politicians' behaviour, America did not move towards the party-dominated political systems familiar in Europe. But there was less ideological coherence then, and no television or national media groups to reinforce a consistent message. Now localism is weaker. And, at least on the Republican side, it faces a national organisation more disciplined, more firmly under the control of the White House, more fiercely loyal to the president—and more prepared to throw its weight around. In the 2002 elections, the White House intervened to persuade local parties in Minnesota, South Dakota and Georgia to change their senatorial candidate. The White House's choice won in two of the three states against the odds. This does not mean that party structures themselves have strengthened. In fact, in terms of raising money they are weaker than they have been throughout most of American history. But the parties are ideologically more distinct. And within the parties, politicians are more partisan and less diverse in their backgrounds. As for Mr Bush himself, he has proved a polarising president, better at solidifying the Republican base than at extending it. Two years after September 2001, his own party's approval of him stood at over 80%, but Democratic approval had fallen below 20%. This stunning gap marks Mr Bush as even more divisive than Bill Clinton, who suffered just as much from Republicans' hostility as Mr Bush does from Democrats'. But whereas Mr Clinton's policies were more popular than he was, with Mr Bush it is the other way around. His ratings on the economy and tax cuts are lower than his overall approval levels. The next section explains why. How “exceptional” is George Bush? FOR a moment, it seemed that the attacks of September 11th 2001 had created a new opportunity for political leadership. The mayor of New York, Rudolph Giuliani, transformed himself overnight from an effective, if cantankerous, administrator into a symbol of the resilient city. Mr Bush might have emulated him. Americans rallied round the president after the terrorist attacks. His speeches at the time expressed the mood of national determination. His stature as commander-in-chief grew. Yet Mr Bush made no real attempt to unify the nation behind a domestic cause. He made no call for sacrifice, as Franklin Roosevelt had done after Pearl Harbour. Asked what people could do for the nation at a time of crisis, Mr Bush replied: Go back to normal. Go shopping. This could perhaps be regarded as a failure of the president's imagination. But there is another reason. President Bush says he wants to promote America's universal values. In that sense, he is a city-on-the-hill exceptionalist. He also claimed during the 2000 election campaign that he would be “a uniter, not a divider”. But his political personality is too complicated for either claim to be wholly convincing. There are two George Bushes. One is ideological, divisive, willing to tear up the rule book and push strongly conservative policies. This is the Bush loved by Republicans, loathed by Democrats (see chart 6). The other is more incremental and sometimes more bipartisan. Yet even this Bush, who might appeal to the middle, is also surprisingly audacious. His audacity causes wariness among voters who are not strongly inclined for or against him. Big-government conservatism Foreign policy shows Mr Bush in rule-book-destroying mode. He has rejected the cornerstone of cold-war diplomacy, the doctrine of containment, and is unwilling to treat states as legitimate merely because they are internationally recognised or stable. This puts him at odds not only with European, but with cold-war traditions of American diplomacy. In some areas of domestic policy, Mr Bush has been almost as far-reaching. The best example is tax. As Bill Galston of the University of Maryland puts it, “Ronald Reagan thought government was the problem. George Bush thinks tax is the problem.” Mr Bush is in fact more radical, or more determined, than his Republican predecessor. Mr Reagan cut taxes in his first year but increased them later in the face of widening budget deficits. Mr Bush cut them in each of his first three years, despite the prospect, by the third year, of deficits as far as the eye can see. This year, total federal revenues stood at 17% of GDP, the lowest level since 1959, which was long before Medicare, Medicaid, federal education programmes and today's defence build-up. Mr Bush's tax policy is consistent with the “exceptionalist” view that, in a twist on Thomas Jefferson's words, “the government that governs best, taxes least.” It has heightened differences in the tax burden between the two sides of the Atlantic. What about the other George Bush? This is the one who created the biggest new bureaucracy since Harry Truman: the Department of Homeland Security. This is the Bush who has pushed the powers of the federal government into education, hitherto a state preserve, by requiring annual testing of students and raising federal spending to supervise those tests. It is the one who has allowed the Justice Department to detain suspected terrorists for longer periods and with less judicial review. This is the Bush who is trying to set up a national energy policy to reduce dependence on foreign oil; who slapped protectionist barriers on steel; who signed a farm bill costing $180 billion over ten years; who set up a White House office to promote marriage (surely the last thing a conservative government should be poking its nose into). And this is the one urging Congress to expand state health care for the elderly to cover some of the costs of prescription drugs—an action President Clinton's Medicare adviser says would be “the biggest expansion of government health benefits since the Great Society.” In all, the Bush administration in its first three years increased government spending by 21%. It will rise even higher if the president wins a second term and fulfils his promise to reform Social...

...all in all a pretty quiet summer, really.

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Well, back to Edinburgh tomorrow to start school again, I guess. I ticked off exactly 0 climbing goals on what has to be called my shittest climbing summer ever. Got a fair bit of road biking in, but mostly did fuck all. Kinda frustrated about that now but whatever.
How was everyone else's summer, in short? When I say "in short" I'm looking at YOU, Greg. I'm not in the mood for articles right now.

Hmm. My summer. Where to begin...

Well this summer I AT NINE o'clock on the morning of September 11th 2001, President George Bush sat in an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida, listening to seven-year-olds read stories about goats. “Night fell on a different world,” he said of that day. And on a different America.At first, America and the world seemed to change together. “We are all New Yorkers now,” ran an e-mail from Berlin that day, mirroring John F. Kennedy's declaration 40 years earlier, “Ich bin ein Berliner”, and predicting Le Monde's headline the next day, “Nous sommes tous Américains”. And America, for its part, seemed to become more like other countries. Al-Qaeda's strikes, the first on the country's mainland by a foreign enemy, stripped away something unique: its aura of invulnerability, its sense of itself as a place apart, “the city on a hill”. wo days after the event, President George Bush senior predicted that, like Pearl Harbour, “so, too, should this most recent surprise attack erase the concept in some quarters that America can somehow go it alone.” Francis Fukuyama, a professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, suggested that “America may become a more ordinary country in the sense of having concrete interests and real vulnerabilities, rather than thinking itself unilaterally able to define the nature of the world it lives in.” oth men were thinking about foreign policy. But global terrorism changed America at home as well. Because it made national security more important, it enhanced the role of the president and the federal government. Twice as many Americans as in the 1990s now say that they are paying a lot of attention to national affairs, where they used to care more about business and local stories. Some observers noted “a return to seriousness”—and indeed frivolities do not dominate television news as they used to.But America has not become “a more ordinary country”, either in foreign policy or in the domestic arena. Instead, this survey will argue that the attacks of 2001 have increased “American exceptionalism”—a phrase coined by Alexis de Tocqueville in the mid-19th century to describe America's profound differences from other nations. The features that the attacks brought to the surface were already there, but the Bush administration has amplified them. As a result, in the past two years the differences between America and other countries have become more pronounced. et because America is not a homogeneous country—indeed, its heterogeneity is one of its most striking features—many of its people feel uneasy about manifestations of exceptionalism. Hence, as this survey will also argue, the revival and expansion of American exceptionalism will prove divisive at home. This division will define domestic politics for years to come. Not all New Yorkers any more From the outside, the best indication of American exceptionalism is military power. America spends more on defence than the next dozen countries combined. In the nearest approach to an explicit endorsement of exceptionalism in the public domain, the National Security Strategy of 2002 says America must ensure that its current military dominance—often described as the greatest since Rome's—is not even challenged, let alone surpassed. In fact, military might is only a symptom of what makes America itself unusual. The country is exceptional in more profound ways. It is more strongly individualistic than Europe, more patriotic, more religious and culturally more conservative (see chart 1). Al-Qaeda's assaults stimulated two of these deeper characteristics. In the wake of the attacks, expressions of both love of country and love of God spiked. This did not necessarily mean Americans suddenly became more patriotic or religious. Rather, the spike was a reminder of what is important to them. It was like a bolt of lightning, briefly illuminating the landscape but not changing it. The president seized on these manifestations of the American spirit. The day after he had defined America's enemies in his “axis of evil” speech, in January 2002, Mr Bush told an audience in Daytona Beach, Florida, about his country's “mission” in the world. “We're fighting for freedom, and civilisation and universal values.” That is one strand of American exceptionalism. America is the purest example of a nation founded upon universal values, such as democracy and human rights. It is a standard-bearer, an exemplar. But the president went further, seeking to change America's culture and values in ways that would make the country still more distinctive. “We've got a great opportunity,” he said at Daytona. “As a result of evil, there's some amazing things that are taking place in America. People have begun to challenge the culture of the past that said, ‘If it feels good, do it'. This great nation has a chance to help change the culture.” He was appealing to old-fashioned virtues of personal responsibility, self-reliance and restraint, qualities associated with a strand of exceptionalism that says American values and institutions are different and America is exceptional in its essence, not just because it is a standard-bearer. On this view, America is not exceptional because it is powerful; America is powerful because it is exceptional. And because what makes America different also keeps it rich and powerful, an administration that encourages American wealth and power will tend to encourage intrinsic exceptionalism. Walter Russell Mead of the Council on Foreign Relations dubs this impulse “American revivalism”. It is not an explicit ideology but a pattern of beliefs, attitudes and instincts. The Bush administration displays “exceptionalist” characteristics to an unusual extent. It is more openly religious than any of its predecessors. Mr Bush has called Jesus his favourite philosopher. White House staff members arrange Bible study classes. The president's re-election team courts evangelical Protestant voters. The administration wants religious institutions to play a bigger role in social policy. It also wears patriotism on its sleeve. That is not to say it is more patriotic than previous governments, but it flaunts this quality more openly, using images of the flag on every occasion and relishing America's military might to an unusual extent. More than any administration since Ronald Reagan's, this one is focused narrowly on America's national interest. Related to this is a certain disdain for “old Europe” which goes beyond frustrations over policy. By education and background, this is an administration less influenced than usual by those bastions of transatlanticism, Ivy League universities. One-third of President Bush senior's first cabinet secretaries, and half of President Clinton's, had Ivy League degrees. But in the current cabinet the share is down to a quarter. For most members of this administration, who are mainly from the heartland and the American west (Texas especially), Europe seems far away. They have not studied there. They do not follow German novels or French films. Indeed, for many of them, Europe is in some ways unserious. Its armies are a joke. Its people work short hours. They wear sandals and make chocolate. Europe does not capture their imagination in the way that China, the Middle East and America itself do. Mr Bush's own family embodies the shift away from Euro-centrism. His grandfather was a senator from Connecticut, an internationalist and a scion of Brown Brothers Harriman, bluest of blue-blooded Wall Street investment banks. His father epitomised the transatlantic generation. Despite his Yale education, he himself is most at home on his Texas ranch. Looked at this way, the Bush administration's policies are not only responses to specific problems, or to demands made by interest groups. They reflect a certain way of looking at America and the world. They embody American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism is nothing new. But it is getting sharper “EVERYTHING about the Americans,” said Alexis de Tocqueville, “is extraordinary, but what is more extraordinary still is the soil that supports them.” America has natural harbours on two great oceans, access to one of the world's richest fishing areas, an abundance of every possible raw material and a huge range of farmed crops, from cold-weather to tropical. Not only is it the fourth-largest country in the world, but two-thirds of it is habitable, unlike Russia or Canada. Any country occupying America's space on the map would be likely to be unusual. But as de Tocqueville also said, “Physical causes contribute less [to America's distinctiveness] than laws and mores.” In his 1995 book “American Exceptionalism,” Seymour Martin Lipset enumerates some of these laws and social features. In terms of income per head, America is the wealthiest large industrial country. It is also the only western democracy to have practised slavery in the industrial era. It has the highest crime rate and highest rate of imprisonment (though crime, at least, is falling towards European levels). Its society is among the most religious in the world. Perhaps less obviously, Americans are more likely than almost anyone else to join voluntary associations. America has a highly decentralised political system, with federal, state and local governments all collecting their own taxes, writing their own laws and administering their own affairs. Its federal government spends a relatively low share of national income. The country has more elective offices than any other, including, in some states, those of judges, which means that in each four-year cycle America holds about 1m elections. Not surprisingly, perhaps, it also has one of the lowest voter turn-outs, making it at once the most and the least democratic democracy. It has no large socialist party, and never has had. Nor has it ever had a significant fascist movement. Unlike conservative parties in Europe, its home-grown version has no aristocratic roots. America has one of the lowest tax rates among rich countries, the least generous public services, the highest military spending, the most lawyers per head, the highest proportion of young people at universities and the most persistent work ethic. But the term “exceptionalism” is more than a description of how America differs from the rest of the world. It also encompasses the significance of those differences and the policies based upon them. People have been searching for some wider meaning to the place since its earliest days. In 1630, the year the Massachusetts Bay Company was founded, John Winthrop, the colony's governor, described his new land as “a city upon a hill, the eyes of all people are upon us.” And as they have looked, people have found two quite different reasons for thinking that America is special. One is that it is uniquely founded on principles to which any country can aspire. In 1787, Alexander Hamilton wrote in the first Federalist Paper that “It seems to have been reserved to the people of this country, by their conduct and example, to decide the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force.” That is America-as-model. George Bush has embraced the idea. Commemorating the first anniversary of the attacks of September 11th 2001, he said that “the ideal of America is the hope of all mankind.” He was echoing Lincoln, who called America “the last, best hope of earth”. But exceptionalism has another meaning: that America is intrinsically different from other countries in its values and institutions, and is therefore not necessarily a model. Thomas Jefferson said that “Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours are perhaps more peculiar than those of any other in the universe.” In 1929, Jay Lovestone, the head of the American communist party, was summoned to Moscow. Stalin demanded to know why the worldwide communist revolution had advanced not one step in the largest capitalist country. Lovestone replied that America lacked the preconditions for communism, such as feudalism and aristocracy. No less an authority than Friedrich Engels had said the same thing, talking of “the special American conditions...which make bourgeois conditions look like a beau idéal to them.” So had an Italian Marxist, Antonio Gramsci, and a British socialist, H.G. Wells, who had both argued that America's unique origins had produced a distinctive value system and unusual politics. Lovestone was purged, but his argument still has force: America is exceptional partly because it is peculiar. As usual, de Tocqueville had thought about both meanings of exceptionalism before anyone else. In his book “Democracy in America”, he described not only what is particular to democracy, especially the way in which it changes how people think and act (what he calls “the quiet action of society upon itself”). He also described what was, and is, particular to America: its size, the institutions it had inherited from England, its decentralised administration. These two versions of American exceptionalism have more in common than might appear at first sight. Both suggest that the experience of America is open to others. The idea of America-as-model implies that other countries can come to be more like America, though American differences may still persist over time. The idea that America is intrinsically different is also consistent with the notion that outsiders can become American, but they must go there to do it and become citizens—hence America's extraordinary capacity to assimilate immigrants. There are three points to grasp from this gallop through the history of American exceptionalism. First, it is, as Mr Lipset put it, a double-edged sword. It helps explain the best and the worst about the country: its business innovation and its economic inequality; its populist democracy and its low voter turn-out; its high spending on education and its deplorable rates of infant mortality and teenage pregnancy. Exceptionalism is often used either as a boast or as a condemnation—though in reality it is neither. Second, the two strands help explain why exceptionalism is divisive within America itself. Most Americans are doubtless proud of the “exemplary” qualities of their country. But the non-exemplary, more peculiar features do not always command universal approval. Third, there should be nothing surprising, or necessarily disturbing, in a revival of exceptionalism. America has almost always been seen as different. The question is: has anything changed recently? Unparallel tracks It is always risky to proclaim a break in a trend. Yet evidence is growing that, over the past decade or so, America has been changing in ways that do make it more different from its allies in Europe, and September 11th has increased this divergence. Most of the previous half-century was a period of convergence. Between 1945 and about 1990, America and Europe seemed to be growing more like one another in almost every way that matters. Economically, Europe began the post-war period in ruins. According to Angus Maddison, an economic historian, in 1950 average incomes in western Europe were 54% of American ones. By the early 1990s, the ratio had passed 80%. Richer EU countries now boast a standard of living comparable to America's. Until the mid-1980s, America and Europe also both had stable populations, declining fertility rates and growing numbers of old people. In the 1960s, America moved closer towards European levels of government spending through the Great Society programmes. This was the start of Medicaid for the poor and, later, increased regulation of industry through bodies like the Environmental Protection Agency. With Watergate and the Vietnam war, America started to approach European levels of cynicism about government and military intervention abroad. In 1976, a sociologist, Daniel Bell, wrote a book whose title encapsulated the conventional wisdom of the time: “The End of American Exceptionalism”. Later changes seemed to prove him right. In the 1980s, European countries started to organise their economies on more American lines. Governments privatised and deregulated. Companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange, set up NASDAQ clones and started using share prices to measure a company's or manager's performance. In politics, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were both engaged in similar projects to shrink the size of the state. Bill Clinton (who was wildly popular in Europe) proclaimed himself a paid-up member of the largely European “third way”. When communism collapsed, Mr Fukuyama hailed “The End of History”. Countries, he argued, would henceforth tend to become more alike, more democratic, more liberal, more globalised. There would be less exceptionalism, of the American or any other kind. But things did not work out that way in foreign affairs, and other sorts of convergence may be coming to an end, too. The demographic differences are now startling. Around 1985, America's fertility rate bottomed out and began to rise again. It is now at almost two children per woman, just below the replacement level of 2.1, and looks set to rise further. Europe's fertility rate is below 1.4 and falling. Even China's is 1.8, and its birth rate is dropping fast. At the moment, the EU's population is considerably larger than America's—380m against 280m—and will grow further with enlargement next year. China's is nearly four times as large as America's. But on current trends, by the middle of this century America's population could be 440m-550m, larger than the EU's even after enlargement, and nearly half China's, rather than a quarter. America will also be noticeably younger then and ethnically more varied. At the moment, its median age is roughly the same as Europe's (36 against 38). By 2050, according to Bill Frey of the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, America's median age will still be around 36, but Europe's will have risen to 53 (and China's will be 44). In the 1990s, America took in the largest number of immigrants it had ever seen in one decade: 33m people now living in the country were born outside it, and Latinos have become the largest ethnic group. “America,” says Hania Zlotnik of the United Nations Population Division, “is the world's great demographic outlier.” Then there is the technology gap. Each year, more patents are applied for in America than in the European Union. America has almost three times as many Nobel prize-winners than the next country (Britain), and spends more on research and development than any other country. On one measure of academic performance, over 90 of the world's top 100 universities are in America. Europe and America have also been diverging economically, though one should be cautious about that. In the seven years from 1995 to 2001, real GDP rose by 3.3% a year in America but by only 2.5% a year in the European Union. The bursting of the stockmarket bubble and the subsequent recession reversed this pattern—in 2001, GDP growth was higher in Europe than America—but the gap opened up again as the economies recovered. On current estimates and forecasts, growth in America in the three years to 2004 will average 1.3 percentage points a year more than in the 12-country euro area. Some 60% of the world's economic growth since 1995 has come from America. These relative economic gains may be reversed. It is hard to see how the country can sustain both its huge trade and budget deficits. On the other hand, its growth in the 1990s reflected a big improvement in productivity, which rose by over 2% a year in the 1990s. The number of hours worked also rose. In 1982, Europeans and Americans put in roughly the same number of hours each year. Now, Americans work a daunting 300 hours a year more. These divergences began at different times and for different reasons. The demographic gap began to open up as long ago as the mid-1980s. Economies started to diverge in the mid-1990s. Even in the area most relevant to the terrorist attacks—foreign policy—the roots of transatlantic differences arguably go back to the fall of communism in 1989-91. September 11th did not create these tensions, but it dramatised some of them. The attacks took place at a time when America was governed by an administration already less engaged in Europe than any in recent history, and when almost all the other measures were, for the first time in 50 years, pointing in the same direction—away from Europe, as well as from much of the rest of the world. If this pattern continues, America may be entering a period of even greater dominance in world affairs. That alone makes American exceptionalism of more than domestic importance. American power will be divisive abroad—but it will also bring conflict at home, because a significant portion of Americans does not believe that the era of convergence is over. When Howard Dean, a Democratic presidential candidate, said that “We won't always have the strongest military,” he was slapped down by his own party as well as by Republicans. But he touched a nerve. The next section will explain how exceptionalism divides America as well as defining it. American values divide as well as define the country THE new National Constitution Centre in Philadelphia stands three blocks from where the Declaration of Independence and the American constitution were adopted. Post-it notes are dotted around the museum for visitors to reply to questions such as “What does it mean to be an American?”“It means I have a responsibility and obligation to protect my freedom and that of my children,” runs one typical reply. Or: “It means to say when I disagree.” Or: “Sometimes it means unbridled capitalism.” To a second question, “Should the ten commandments be displayed in public buildings?” the replies range from, “They are the foundational laws for the constitution” to, “We have the right to freedom from religion.” And to a third, “What makes you feel free?”, they include: “Our military forces willing to give their lives for mine”; “Not to have to think about it”; or simply, “USA rocks!” American values are distinctive, but not uniformly so. Patriotism and religious faith are unusually strong. Americans stress personal responsibility rather than collective goals. Many are fairly conservative in their social opinions and are somewhat more likely than Europeans to disapprove of divorce, abortion and homosexuality. Yet people on both sides of the Atlantic find international terrorism and the spread of weapons of mass destruction equally worrying. And Americans are in some ways more open than Europeans—or were, until the terrorist attacks of 2001 made them less welcoming—in their greater approval of immigration and the value of “other cultures”. It is this particular combination of values, as much as strong patriotism or religiosity, that really makes America stand out. Begin with an area of clear difference: attitudes to the role of government in a free market. People in almost every country surveyed by the Pew Research Centre in 2003 say they are better off in a free-market economy. But asked which is more important—that the government should guarantee no one is in need, or that it should not constrain the pursuit of personal goals—Europeans in both east and west come down roughly two-thirds/one-third in favour of a safety net, whereas Americans split two-thirds/one-third the other way. However, when asked, “Does the government control too much of your daily life? Is it usually inefficient and wasteful?”, two-thirds of respondents on both sides of the Atlantic say yes. So the differences seem to have less to do with the way that governments are viewed, and more to do with Americans' belief in the importance of individual effort. Pew's pollsters sought to measure this belief by asking people in 44 countries, “Do you agree or disagree that success is determined by forces outside your control?” In most countries, fewer than half thought that success was within their control. In only two did more than 60% consider success a matter of individual effort: Canada and, by the widest margin, the United States. In other areas, American exceptionalism is less clear-cut. For example, nine out of ten Americans say they are very patriotic, according to Pew. But Indians, Nigerians and Turks are equally patriotic. Among wealthy nations, Americans are also the most likely to go to church and to say God is very important in their lives, but again Indians, Nigerians and Turks are more religious than Americans. Lots of Americans like to buy products that shout, “I'm large. I'm loud. I'm ready for anything,” such as army assault vehicles lightly disguised as cars, or outdoor grills the size of small kitchens, or Arnold Schwarzenegger. David Brooks, a New York Times columnist, calls this “getting in touch with your inner longshoreman”. Yet at the same time Americans seem to be developing a more restrained side. They are just as likely as Europeans to say that people with AIDS should not be discriminated against. Support for the idea that “women should return to traditional roles in society” has fallen from just under a third in the late 1980s to about a fifth now, roughly the same as in Europe. Both Americans and Europeans overwhelmingly disagree that when jobs are scarce men should be given priority. Americans are slightly less likely than Europeans to find homosexuality socially acceptable, and less likely to support gay marriage, but tolerance of gays is on the increase (see chart 3). Americans also tend to be fairly positive about the contribution of immigrants to society, whereas in most of the rest of the industrial world more than half the population thinks immigrants are bad for their countries. These differences and similarities are best understood as values arranged along two spectrums of opinion. One spectrum, says the World Values Survey of the University of Michigan (which invented the idea), measures “traditional values”. The most important of these is patriotism; others concern religion and traditional family ties. Americans tend to be traditionalists. A remarkable 80% say they hold “old-fashioned values” about family and marriage. At the other end of this spectrum are “secular-rational” values, for whose adherents religion is a personal, optional matter, patriotism is not a big concern and children have their own lives to lead. Europeans tend to be secular-rationalists. On this spectrum, America is indeed exceptional. The other spectrum measures “quality of life” attitudes. At one end of it are the values and opinions people hold when economic and physical insecurity dominates their lives, as often happens in poor countries. This makes them suspicious of outsiders, cautious about changing patterns of work and reluctant to engage in political activity. At the other end are values of self-expression involving the acceptance of a wide range of behaviour. On this score, Americans and Europeans are similar, because neither group is engaged in a struggle for survival any more. But the two spectrums together suggest that there is a “values gap” within America itself too. In Europe, countries have become both more secular and more “self-expressive” as they have got richer. In America, this did not happen. That has profound implications. E pluribus duo In 1999, Gertrude Himmelfarb, a social historian, argued that America is becoming “One Nation, Two Cultures”. One is religious, puritanical, family-centred and somewhat conformist. The other is tolerant, hedonistic, secular, predominantly single and celebrates multiculturalism. These value judgments are the best predictor of political affiliation, far better than wealth or income. In the 2000 election, 63% of those who went to church more than once a week voted for George Bush; 61% of those who never went voted for Al Gore. About 70% of those who said abortion should always be available voted for Mr Gore; 74% of those who said it should always be illegal voted for Mr Bush. As Pete du Pont, a former governor of Delaware, pointed out, a map showing the sales and rentals of porn movies bore an eerie resemblance to the map of the 2000 election results. America, it is said, can live together because Americans live apart. The two cultures occupy different worlds. Traditionalists are concentrated in a great L-shape on the map, the spine of the Rockies forming its vertical arm, its horizontal one cutting a swathe through the South. With a couple of exceptions, all these “red states” voted for Mr Bush in 2000. The rest of the country is more secular. This includes the Pacific coast and the square outlined by the big L, consisting of the north-eastern and upper mid-western states. With a few exceptions, these “blue states” voted for Mr Gore in 2000. Their differences are deeply entrenched. Traditionalists are heavily concentrated in smaller towns and rural areas. Secularists dominate big cities. Southerners tend to be a bit more religious, a bit more socially conservative and more supportive of a strong military stance than the rest of the country. Intriguingly, black southerners are more conservative than blacks elsewhere, though less conservative than their white neighbours. The political effect of these differences is increasing. For historical reasons (Republicans having been the anti-slavery party in the civil war), white southerners were part of the Democratic coalition, circumscribing for many years the political impact of southern conservatism. Now, as the region becomes more Republican, that conservatism is getting noisier. In contrast, multiculturalism is deeply entrenched in blue states. The states with the highest levels of immigration of Latinos and Asians include New York, New Jersey, New Mexico and California—what Mr Frey calls America's new melting-pots. Mr Gore won all of them, except Texas and Florida. These were special cases: both had governors called Bush; both had seen the largest inflow from other parts of America of white immigrants, who tend to be more conservative. The differences between the two Americas seem to be getting sharper. A new survey of American values by Pew finds greater social and sexual tolerance, yet also more strictness on matters of personal morality. The number of people saying they completely agree that there are clear and universal guidelines about good and evil has risen from one-third to two-fifths in the space of 15 years. One of America's characteristic features is its sunny optimism, the sense that anything is possible. Yet there is an 18-point gap between the number of Democrats and Republicans who agree with the statement “I don't believe there are any real limits to growth in this country today.” Democrats are usually keener than Republicans to urge the administration to pay attention to domestic issues. This gap has widened from three points in 1997 to 16 points now. On America's role in the world, the importance of military strength and patriotism itself, the gap between the parties has never been wider. So if there is a revival of exceptionalism—in the sense both of greater divergence from other countries, and of policies based on it—it will be controversial. Red states are likely to welcome it. Blue states probably will not. But there are complicating factors. The red-blue split implies that two tribes are forming, with people within each of them thinking more or less alike. In reality, things are rarely that clear-cut. In his book “A California State of Mind”, published in 2002, Mark Baldassare of the Public Policy Institute in San Francisco showed that voters in that state do not fit the bifurcated pattern of the 2000 election. California is one of the most solidly Democratic (blue) states. Most voters call themselves socially liberal and environmentally friendly, which seem like “European” attributes. Yet in other ways California is as unEuropean as you can get, a place of swirling ethnicities that looks towards Latin America and Asia. Californians wanted the large tax revenues the state had generated during the boom years of the 1990s to be spent on social programmes, rather than handed back in tax cuts—again, a European impulse. Yet, in flat contradiction, they did not want their state government to grow because they did not trust politicians to spend the money wisely—an exceptionalist, American characteristic. powerpoint sermons in a traditional church, you can: they are piped into one by video link. Or you can watch the service on huge video screens while sipping a cappuccino in an outdoor café. But in case you think this is religion lite, Rick Warren, the pastor, will quickly encourage you to join one of the thousands of smaller groups that are the real life of the church. Saddleback members will help you find a school, a friend, a job or God. There is a “Geeks for God” club of Cisco employees, and a mountain-bike club where they pray and pedal. To Europeans, religion is the strangest and most disturbing feature of American exceptionalism. They worry that fundamentalists are hijacking the country. They find it extraordinary that three times as many Americans believe in the virgin birth as in evolution. They fear that America will go on a “crusade” (a term briefly used by Mr Bush himself) in the Muslim world or cut aid to poor countries lest it be used for birth control. The persistence of religion as a public force is all the more puzzling because it seems to run counter to historical trends. Like the philosophers of the Enlightenment, many Europeans argue that modernisation is the enemy of religion. As countries get richer, organised religion will decline. Secular Europe seems to fit that pattern. America does not. In fact, points out Peter Berger, head of the Institute on Religion and World Affairs at Boston University, few developing countries have shown signs of religious decline as their standards of living have risen. It may be Europe that is the exception here, not America. There is no doubt, though, that America is the most religious rich country. Over 80% of Americans say they believe in God, and 39% describe themselves as born-again Christians. Furthermore, 58% of Americans think that unless you believe in God, you cannot be a moral person. There is also some evidence that private belief is becoming more intense. The Pew Research Centre reported that the number of those who “agree strongly” with three articles of faith (belief in God, in judgment day and in the importance of prayer in daily life) rose by seven to ten points in 1965-2003. In the late 1980s, two-fifths of Protestants described themselves as “born again”; now the figure is over half. The importance of religion in America goes well beyond personal belief. Back in the 1960s, Gallup polls found that 53% of Americans thought churches should not be involved in politics, and 22% thought members of the clergy should not even mention candidates for public office from the pulpit. By 1996, these numbers had reversed: 54% thought it was fine for churches to talk about political and social issues, and 20% thought even stump speeches were permissible in church. For God and Republicanism These shifts in opinion have given a boost to one particular group of churches: evangelical Protestants. They embrace a variety of denominations, including Baptist, Confessional and Pentecostal churches, all of which stress individual salvation and the word of the Bible rather than sacraments or established doctrine. In 1987, they were the third-largest religious group in America, with a membership of 24% of the adult population; now they are the largest, with 30%. The percentage of Catholics has stayed stable, largely thanks to Latino immigrants, but established Protestant churches, such as Presbyterians, have declined sharply. A marriage of church and politics Evangelical Protestants bear out the European view that religion in America is politically active, socially conservative and overwhelmingly Republican. Almost two-thirds of committed evangelicals—the ones who attend church most frequently and say they hold strictly to the Bible—describe themselves as conservative, by far the largest proportion of any religious group. They are also more likely than other churchgoers to rate social and cultural issues as important, somewhat more likely to say homosexuality should be discouraged, and most likely to want to rein in the scope of government. Over time, evangelicals have become more willing to engage in politics, too. White evangelical Protestants represent almost a third of registered voters now, up from slightly below a quarter in 1987. Their leaders have tried to unite the various evangelical churches as a political force, establishing the Moral Majority in 1979 and the Christian Coalition in 1989. Their comments speak for themselves. Franklin Graham (Billy's son) called Islam “a wicked religion”. The former president of the Southern Baptist Convention called the Prophet Muhammad “a demon-possessed pedophile”. Such political activism, the growth of new churches and the increased intensity of belief has led some to argue that America may be in the early stages of a fourth Great Awakening, a period of religious fervour when the variety, vigour, size and public involvement of religious groups suddenly increases. Earlier awakenings occurred in the late colonial period, the 1820s and the late 19th century. Might the same thing be happening again? The evidence seems to be against it. Church attendance has not been increasing, as a new awakening would suggest. The Gallup organisation found that it fell slowly in the 1960s and 1970s, stabilised in 1980 and has remained level since then, with about two-thirds of the population claiming membership of a church. These findings are based on how often people say they go to church, something they tend to exaggerate. But a collection of records from the churches themselves, summarised by Harvard University's Robert Putnam, shows the same pattern (see chart 4). So do figures from the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, which show that in 2000 some 141m Americans—or half the population—were members of a church. That is a lot, but it falls well short of the four-fifths who believe in God as a private matter. And it is active churchgoing that makes the difference between private belief and public consequences. Even among fundamentalist Protestants, public influence is patchy. There was, for example, no huge turn-out of conservative Christians in the 1998 mid-term elections, even though the Lewinsky scandal infuriated religious voters. After President Bill Clinton's impeachment and acquittal, Paul Weyrich, a leader of the Moral Majority, wrote to the Washington Post to say that conservative Christians had “lost the culture wars”—hardly evidence of growing influence. It is not even clear how important religion is in determining the political and social views of evangelical Protestants. The largest concentration of these churches is in the South, among whites. But white southerners held conservative views on homosexuality, government, defence and so on long before the Moral Majority was invented. It is just as likely that social conservatism has encouraged evangelical churches as the other way around. The Pew study tried to disentangle the role of religion in determining churchgoers' views from other factors, and found that only in social and cultural attitudes (on matters like abortion and homosexuality) was religion alone a powerful factor. Even there, broader demographic factors were more important. Don't believe a word of it Lastly, although the number and membership of charismatic churches has certainly grown, there has been an offsetting increase in those who describe themselves as of no religion at all. Since 1960, the number of self-described secularists (atheists, agnostics and those not affiliated to any organised religion) has roughly doubled. According to a survey by the City University of New York (CUNY), 14% of Americans between 18 and 34 describe themselves as “secular” and a further 9% as “somewhat secular”. Secularists are more likely to live on the Pacific coast or in the north-east, in a city, have a college degree, be male, single, and either lean towards the Democrats or be politically independent. Committed evangelicals are more likely to live in the south, vote Republican, lack a college degree, live in towns or rural areas, and be female and married. In other words, America looks like two tribes, one religious and one secular. But the really distinctive feature of American religion is the area in the middle. Most Americans do not become members of a church to sign up for a crusade or to sit in judgment on miserable sinners. For them, churchgoing is a matter of personal belief, not conservative activism. Their religion is mild. In 1965, according to Gallup, half of respondents said the most important purpose of their church was to teach people to live better lives. Since then, the share has grown to almost three-quarters. This is the biggest change in America's religious life in the past 40 years. Alan Wolfe, of the Boisi Institute for the Study of Religion at Boston College, points out that American religion is exceptional in two senses: not only are Americans more religious than Europeans, but they have no national church. Thanks to the separation of church and state, the country has nothing comparable to, say, the Catholic churches of Italy and Spain, or the Church of England. Americans are members of sects. The two kinds of religious exceptionalism are connected. Rather as in the economic sphere competing private companies tend to produce wealth and activity, whereas monopoly firms have the opposite effect, so in the religious sphere competing sects generate a ferment of activity and increased levels of belief, whereas state churches produce indifference. This has implications for the quality of American belief. Churches come and go with astonishing speed. The statisticians of American religious bodies tracked 187 denominations (and there were many more) between 1990 and 2000; in that time 37 disappeared and 54 new ones appeared on the scene. Adherents and pastors, too, are constantly on the move. One study found that half the pastors of so-called “mega-churches” (suburban ones like Saddleback, with Sunday congregations of 2,000 or more) have moved from another denomination. According to the CUNY study, 16% of American adults—33m people—say they have switched denominations. For some churches the share of new adherents was startlingly high. In 2001, 30% of Pentecostalists had joined from another church and 19% had left; among Presbyterians, 24% came in and 25% went out. Such churning limits doctrinal purism, which might otherwise be expected in a new church. Instead, churches try to attract floating believers—what Wade Clark Roof, a sociologist, calls “a generation of seekers”. According to Mr Wolfe, American churches are therapeutic, not judgmental. They stress “soft” qualities such as guidance and mutual help, not “hard” ones like sin and damnation. This means that the charismatic and evangelical churches are not typical of the whole of religious life in America. If the pattern of public opinion in general is bell-shaped, that of religious belief has the profile of a Volkswagen Beetle: a bump of evangelical Protestants at the front, a bigger bulge of uncensorious congregations in the middle and a stubby secular tail. That must temper the notion that religion is running amok in America, or that it is causing America to run amok in the world. At Saddleback church, Rick Warren preaches that abortion is wrong. On a recent Sunday, anti-abortion groups lobbied for their cause as parishioners left church. Mr Warren told them not to return. He agreed with their views, but members of his church, and newcomers, might not. He did not want abortion to get between members and the more important matter of their relationship with God. American patriotism is different from the European variety HERMANIO BERMANIS holds up his right hand to take the oath of American citizenship. Half a million do the same every year, but this ceremony is unusual. It is being held in the Walter Reed military hospital, in the presence of two cabinet members, because Army Specialist Bermanis, who was born in Micronesia, had both legs and his left arm blown off on active service in Iraq. His right hand is all he has to hold up. The ceremony gave expression to a powerful sentiment: American patriotism. As de Tocqueville noted long ago, “The inhabitants of the United States speak much of their love for their native country.” Seymour Martin Lipset begins his book on American exceptionalism with a remark unusual for an academic: “I write as a proud American.” In a new survey of American values by the Pew Research Centre, fully 91% of Americans say they are very patriotic. Europeans have long been bothered by this feature of American life. De Tocqueville again: “There is nothing more annoying...than this irritable patriotism of the Americans.” But since September 11th the Europeans have become even more disturbed. They associate patriotism with militarism, intolerance and ethnic strife. No wonder they consider it an alarming quality in the world's most powerful country. Yet European and American patriotism are different. Patriotic Europeans take pride in a nation, a tract of land or a language they are born into. You cannot become un-French. In contrast, patriotic Americans have a dual loyalty: both to their country and to the ideas it embodies. “He loved his country,” said Lincoln of Henry Clay, “partly because it was his own country, but mostly because it was a free country.” As the English writer G.K. Chesterton said in 1922, America is the only country based on a creed, enshrined in its constitution and declaration of independence. People become American by adopting the creed, regardless of their own place of birth, parentage or language. And you can become un-American—by rejecting the creed. This dual character softens American patriotism. “My country, right or wrong” may be an American phrase (it comes from a toast by Stephen Decatur, an American naval hero), but only one American in two agrees with it, according to the Pew survey. Only two years after September 11th, fewer than half the respondents supported the statement that “We should try to get even with any country that tries to take advantage of the United States.” However, there is one trend in American opinion that should give pause for thought. Republicans have long been slightly more likely than Democrats to say they are intensely patriotic, but the gap has widened dramatically, and is now by far the largest on record. In 2003, 71% of Republicans said they were intensely patriotic, compared with only 48% of Democrats. An even larger gap has opened up in responses to the proposition that “The best way to ensure peace is through military strength.” The number of Democrats who agreed with that sentiment slumped from 55% in 2002 to 44% this year. The intensity gap may well reflect differing attitudes to the war in Iraq, the domestic effects of which will presumably fade with time. But the gap may also be an early indication of a more lasting split: over the passion of loyalty, and what counts as “real” patriotism.American politics has become more partisan, and nastier THE 2000 election was the third dead-heat in a row. In votes for the House of Representatives, the widest margin of victory between 1996 and 2000 was a mere 1.3 percentage points. Essentially, every presidential and House election came out at a dead heat, 49:49. The 2002 mid-term elections brought a change. In House races, Republicans won 51% of the popular vote, Democrats 46%. As Michael Barone, a political journalist, points out, statistically this margin was not significant, but politically it had a big impact. Republicans captured the Senate, the first time the president's party had ever won the upper chamber at this point in the electoral cycle. They gained 141 seats in statehouses, giving Republicans a majority of state legislators for the first time since 1952. The party kept its majority among state governors. In Washington, it controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency. The victory was highly unusual: most mid-term elections punish the incumbent party, especially at times of economic weakness. But does it presage a bigger electoral breakthrough, the beginning of the end of the 50-50 nation? It might. Ever since the New Deal, there have been more registered Democrats than Republicans. In the four years before September 11th, according to the Pew Research Centre, Democrats held a small advantage in party identification (34% of registered voters described themselves as Democrats, 28% as Republicans). But immediately after the terrorist attacks Democratic affiliation dropped sharply, and in the past two years the parties have been roughly balanced. There was a further rise in Republican identification after the Iraq war earlier this year, so at the moment Republicans have an advantage in party identification for only the second time in 75 years (see chart 5). September 11th seems to have been a turning point. But long-term trends were helping Republicans anyway. The defection of the South—America's most populous region—broke up the old Democratic coalition. In 2002, Republicans won the South by an even larger margin than in their landslide victory of 1994. The rise of an investor class (half of Americans own shares) benefits the party, because middle-class shareholders tend to back Republican causes such as privatising Social Security, the federal pensions system. These long-term trends are reinforced by significant temporary gains. The campaign-finance reform of 2002 shifted the balance of advantage towards the party that raises more cash from individuals, which currently means the Republicans. Sophisticated computer software has turned redistricting—the ability of the dominant party in state assemblies to gerrymander district boundaries—from an art into a science. In 2002, Republicans controlled the legislatures of three big states—Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. By amazing coincidence, in Gore-majority districts where Republicans drew new boundaries, their party won 11 more seats than in 2000. Breaking the deadlock So it is not hard to see why Republican strategists think their party may be on the verge of breaking the 50-50 deadlock. Yet, on balance, the evidence is still against the idea that there has been a fundamental shift in electoral politics. The 2002 elections did not break the mould. For incumbents to gain as much as Republicans did last year is unusual but not unprecedented. Democrats also won against the odds in 1998. And as Gary Jacobson of the University of California at San Diego points out, the Republicans' success in 2002 can be largely explained by special factors. At that point, Mr Bush's personal ratings—the highest of any president—ran well ahead of his ratings on the economy. Usually the two do not differ much. That implies that but for the war on terrorism, which buoyed up his overall popularity, Mr Bush would not have been able to shield Republican candidates from economic discontent. This is unlikely to apply in 2004. Mr Bush's popularity also scared off the Democrats, who fielded a particularly feeble bunch of challengers. They have a few more creditable ones now. Usually, incumbent parties lose seats in mid-term elections because congressmen squeak into marginal seats on the coat-tails of a successful president. But Mr Bush had no coat-tails in 2000, so in 2002 Republicans had fewer vulnerable seats to lose. Add in the special impact of redistricting, and most of the Republican success in 2002 can be explained by the party's skills in squeezing the most out of a largely balanced electorate rather than by a fundamental shift in its favour. There was little evidence that voters were less polarised in 2002 than they had been in 1996-2000. Opposites repel In one sense, that does not matter. If Mr Bush hopes a permanent majority is within his grasp, he may well dash ahead with an ambitious agenda. But he may also do that if he fears the partisan divide is too deep to be overcome. If so, his party's current political dominance would be just a window of opportunity, and he should take advantage of it before it closes. But the persistence of a deep electoral division effects how his policies—or any president's policies—are received and carried out. It tempts Mr Bush (or any Republican) to push for more extreme policies, and any Democrat to push for the opposite extreme. The divide also encourages partisan behaviour among voters. This increasing polarisation could turn out to be the most important trend in American politics today. George Wallace, a former governor of Alabama, used to say there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the parties. But polarisation is growing in Congress. Republicans are now twice as likely to toe the party line in the House and Senate as they were in 1975. Democrats are about one-and a half times as likely. Ad hoc “coalitions of the willing” have become much rarer in domestic politics. Partisanship is rife in congressional committees. Heads of committees used at least to pay lip service to the minority party when proposing legislation, but since Newt Gingrich's takeover in 1994, partisan control has by and large been the rule. Committee chairmen now routinely squelch attempts by Democrats to influence legislation, leading to petty squabbling and ill temper. Partisanship is also evident in redistricting, which has increased the number of safe seats towards North Korean levels. In 2004, only 30-40 congressional seats are likely to be truly competitive—a quarter of the number in the 1990s. Since 1964, the share of House incumbents re-elected with over 60% of the vote has risen from 58% to 77%. This makes congressmen's politics more extreme. If your district is rock-solid, you have little reason to fear that voters will kick you out for moving too far from their opinions. The main threat comes from party activists, who tend to be more extreme in their views and can propose a challenger in primary elections. So the dangers of drifting too far to the middle outweigh those of drifting too far to the extremes. Partisan redistricting marginalises centrist voters, aligns the views of candidates more closely with extremists on each side and radicalises politics. Away from Capitol Hill, partisanship has also grown in lobbying. Both parties have tried to control lobbyists, the fourth branch of American government, but Republicans have got better at it than Democrats. Every Tuesday, lobbyists troop to the office of Rick Santorum, the leader of the Senate Republican conference, to talk about hiring Republicans—an ex-chief of staff here, a pollster there. Republicans place their protégés in lobbying firms. The firms raise money for Republican candidates and help get them elected. Legislators then place their protégés in the firms. And so it goes on. Above all, polarisation has grown in the electorate, evidenced by a sharp decline in split-ticket voting (choosing a president from one party and a congressional representative from another). In 1972, 44% of congressmen and women represented a different party from the one whose presidential candidate carried their district. In 2000, the share was under 20%. The truly independent voter seems to be disappearing. That may seem curious, because those who call themselves independents easily outnumber self-identified Democrats or Republicans. Yet most so-called independents vote consistently one way or the other. The White House reckons that less than one-third of independent voters actually switched parties in the past three elections. With the decline of swing voters, there seems less and less point in running presidential campaigns to appeal to the slim middle. Instead, elections have become contests to mobilise core supporters. The 2000 and 2002 elections were both turn-out races. The upshot is that politics has become warfare. What matters most is the size and bloodthirstiness of your troops, not winning over neutrals. Politicians take the first opportunity to reach for weapons of mass destruction, such as Bill Clinton's impeachment or the recall of Governor Gray Davis in California. It is no longer possible to agree to disagree. Your enemies must be “Stupid White Men”, guilty of “Treason”, who live in a world of “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them” (to quote the titles of three of this year's political bestsellers). Increased partisanship has implications for the nature of America's public debate, the country's decentralised political tradition and Mr Bush himself. Politics as warfare is rooted in debates about fundamental issues. Over the past few years, the Republicans have become the “exceptionalist” party by celebrating America's traditional values and stressing qualities that make the country intrinsically different. Call that conservative exceptionalism. In contrast, Democrats are divided. Mainstream Democrats, including members of the Clinton administration, go for the other type of exceptionalism, the city-on-a-hill variety—though Mr Bush claims to espouse that, too. Others—notably Howard Dean and the left—seem to regard exceptionalism of any kind as a bad thing. Still others embrace what might be called liberal exceptionalism, celebrating America's egalitarian, anti-aristocratic heritage. In different ways, all these distinctions are based on values or principles. Steamrollering the enemy In contrast, winning at all costs is not, or not necessarily. Take the 2002 Senate election in Georgia, one of the nastiest campaigns of recent memory. The Democrat, Max Cleland, who had lost three limbs in Vietnam, was demonised as soft on Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. The culture of victory may supersede arguments about values and substance because conquest becomes imperative. America's political system is decentralised, with proud, distinctive traditions at state level, and national parties that used to be loose coalitions of diverse groups which banded together to win power. Partisanship, on the other hand, is a centralising force that encourages uniformity. America's distinctive political traditions have been tested before, and survived. In the early part of the 20th century, a time of just as much partisanship in voting and in politicians' behaviour, America did not move towards the party-dominated political systems familiar in Europe. But there was less ideological coherence then, and no television or national media groups to reinforce a consistent message. Now localism is weaker. And, at least on the Republican side, it faces a national organisation more disciplined, more firmly under the control of the White House, more fiercely loyal to the president—and more prepared to throw its weight around. In the 2002 elections, the White House intervened to persuade local parties in Minnesota, South Dakota and Georgia to change their senatorial candidate. The White House's choice won in two of the three states against the odds. This does not mean that party structures themselves have strengthened. In fact, in terms of raising money they are weaker than they have been throughout most of American history. But the parties are ideologically more distinct. And within the parties, politicians are more partisan and less diverse in their backgrounds. As for Mr Bush himself, he has proved a polarising president, better at solidifying the Republican base than at extending it. Two years after September 2001, his own party's approval of him stood at over 80%, but Democratic approval had fallen below 20%. This stunning gap marks Mr Bush as even more divisive than Bill Clinton, who suffered just as much from Republicans' hostility as Mr Bush does from Democrats'. But whereas Mr Clinton's policies were more popular than he was, with Mr Bush it is the other way around. His ratings on the economy and tax cuts are lower than his overall approval levels. The next section explains why. How “exceptional” is George Bush? FOR a moment, it seemed that the attacks of September 11th 2001 had created a new opportunity for political leadership. The mayor of New York, Rudolph Giuliani, transformed himself overnight from an effective, if cantankerous, administrator into a symbol of the resilient city. Mr Bush might have emulated him. Americans rallied round the president after the terrorist attacks. His speeches at the time expressed the mood of national determination. His stature as commander-in-chief grew. Yet Mr Bush made no real attempt to unify the nation behind a domestic cause. He made no call for sacrifice, as Franklin Roosevelt had done after Pearl Harbour. Asked what people could do for the nation at a time of crisis, Mr Bush replied: Go back to normal. Go shopping. This could perhaps be regarded as a failure of the president's imagination. But there is another reason. President Bush says he wants to promote America's universal values. In that sense, he is a city-on-the-hill exceptionalist. He also claimed during the 2000 election campaign that he would be “a uniter, not a divider”. But his political personality is too complicated for either claim to be wholly convincing. There are two George Bushes. One is ideological, divisive, willing to tear up the rule book and push strongly conservative policies. This is the Bush loved by Republicans, loathed by Democrats (see chart 6). The other is more incremental and sometimes more bipartisan. Yet even this Bush, who might appeal to the middle, is also surprisingly audacious. His audacity causes wariness among voters who are not strongly inclined for or against him. Big-government conservatism Foreign policy shows Mr Bush in rule-book-destroying mode. He has rejected the cornerstone of cold-war diplomacy, the doctrine of containment, and is unwilling to treat states as legitimate merely because they are internationally recognised or stable. This puts him at odds not only with European, but with cold-war traditions of American diplomacy. In some areas of domestic policy, Mr Bush has been almost as far-reaching. The best example is tax. As Bill Galston of the University of Maryland puts it, “Ronald Reagan thought government was the problem. George Bush thinks tax is the problem.” Mr Bush is in fact more radical, or more determined, than his Republican predecessor. Mr Reagan cut taxes in his first year but increased them later in the face of widening budget deficits. Mr Bush cut them in each of his first three years, despite the prospect, by the third year, of deficits as far as the eye can see. This year, total federal revenues stood at 17% of GDP, the lowest level since 1959, which was long before Medicare, Medicaid, federal education programmes and today's defence build-up. Mr Bush's tax policy is consistent with the “exceptionalist” view that, in a twist on Thomas Jefferson's words, “the government that governs best, taxes least.” It has heightened differences in the tax burden between the two sides of the Atlantic. What about the other George Bush? This is the one who created the biggest new bureaucracy since Harry Truman: the Department of Homeland Security. This is the Bush who has pushed the powers of the federal government into education, hitherto a state preserve, by requiring annual testing of students and raising federal spending to supervise those tests. It is the one who has allowed the Justice Department to detain suspected terrorists for longer periods and with less judicial review. This is the Bush who is trying to set up a national energy policy to reduce dependence on foreign oil; who slapped protectionist barriers on steel; who signed a farm bill costing $180 billion over ten years; who set up a White House office to promote marriage (surely the last thing a conservative government should be poking its nose into). And this is the one urging Congress to expand state health care for the elderly to cover some of the costs of prescription drugs—an action President Clinton's Medicare adviser says would be “the biggest expansion of government health benefits since the Great Society.” In all, the Bush administration in its first three years increased government spending by 21%. It will rise even higher if the president wins a second term and fulfils his promise to reform Social...

...all in all a pretty quiet summer, really.

Sorry, sungam. My rule is no story shorter than my penor.

^^^INRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But you must!

Magnus is gonna be pissssssssssed. Especially after he sees my brand new sig. got it on ebay. its custom made.


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Summer Rocks!

Took a month of "Mental Stress Leave" and then quit my job when I got back so I managed to do 20+ days at rattlesnake point, 10 days at mt nemo, 2 trips to the Glen, 2 to Metcalfe, 2 to Jordan Harbour, and one 3-day excursion to the New.

Would have gone out more but alas, having a kiddo takes time and money too Smile

Good thing I dont gots a man or I would have spent the summer doing things he liked instead of what's really important.


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sungam wrote:
sungam wrote:
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Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!



Thats cause the google stalks your searches. So it gives you climbing related returns.
Anyrate, its been a few years since I've been down to woodson for climbing/bouldering.


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Well, back to Edinburgh tomorrow to start school again, I guess. I ticked off exactly 0 climbing goals on what has to be called my shittest climbing summer ever. Got a fair bit of road biking in, but mostly did fuck all. Kinda frustrated about that now but whatever.
How was everyone else's summer, in short? When I say "in short" I'm looking at YOU, Greg. I'm not in the mood for articles right now.
Two trips, 5 days, if you include Memorial day.
Just craggin mostly. One full two pitch climb. That was a good one. But a lot of work to get those two trips in. See the ww thread for longer write ups.


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Well, back to Edinburgh tomorrow to start school again, I guess. I ticked off exactly 0 climbing goals on what has to be called my shittest climbing summer ever. Got a fair bit of road biking in, but mostly did fuck all. Kinda frustrated about that now but whatever.
How was everyone else's summer, in short? When I say "in short" I'm looking at YOU, Greg. I'm not in the mood for articles right now.

Hmm. My summer. Where to begin...

Well this summer I AT NINE o'clock on the morning of September 11th 2001, President George Bush sat in an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida, listening to seven-year-olds read stories about goats. “Night fell on a different world,” he said of that day. And on a different America.At first, America and the world seemed to change together. “We are all New Yorkers now,” ran an e-mail from Berlin that day, mirroring John F. Kennedy's declaration 40 years earlier, “Ich bin ein Berliner”, and predicting Le Monde's headline the next day, “Nous sommes tous Américains”. And America, for its part, seemed to become more like other countries. Al-Qaeda's strikes, the first on the country's mainland by a foreign enemy, stripped away something unique: its aura of invulnerability, its sense of itself as a place apart, “the city on a hill”. wo days after the event, President George Bush senior predicted that, like Pearl Harbour, “so, too, should this most recent surprise attack erase the concept in some quarters that America can somehow go it alone.” Francis Fukuyama, a professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, suggested that “America may become a more ordinary country in the sense of having concrete interests and real vulnerabilities, rather than thinking itself unilaterally able to define the nature of the world it lives in.” oth men were thinking about foreign policy. But global terrorism changed America at home as well. Because it made national security more important, it enhanced the role of the president and the federal government. Twice as many Americans as in the 1990s now say that they are paying a lot of attention to national affairs, where they used to care more about business and local stories. Some observers noted “a return to seriousness”—and indeed frivolities do not dominate television news as they used to.But America has not become “a more ordinary country”, either in foreign policy or in the domestic arena. Instead, this survey will argue that the attacks of 2001 have increased “American exceptionalism”—a phrase coined by Alexis de Tocqueville in the mid-19th century to describe America's profound differences from other nations. The features that the attacks brought to the surface were already there, but the Bush administration has amplified them. As a result, in the past two years the differences between America and other countries have become more pronounced. et because America is not a homogeneous country—indeed, its heterogeneity is one of its most striking features—many of its people feel uneasy about manifestations of exceptionalism. Hence, as this survey will also argue, the revival and expansion of American exceptionalism will prove divisive at home. This division will define domestic politics for years to come. Not all New Yorkers any more From the outside, the best indication of American exceptionalism is military power. America spends more on defence than the next dozen countries combined. In the nearest approach to an explicit endorsement of exceptionalism in the public domain, the National Security Strategy of 2002 says America must ensure that its current military dominance—often described as the greatest since Rome's—is not even challenged, let alone surpassed. In fact, military might is only a symptom of what makes America itself unusual. The country is exceptional in more profound ways. It is more strongly individualistic than Europe, more patriotic, more religious and culturally more conservative (see chart 1). Al-Qaeda's assaults stimulated two of these deeper characteristics. In the wake of the attacks, expressions of both love of country and love of God spiked. This did not necessarily mean Americans suddenly became more patriotic or religious. Rather, the spike was a reminder of what is important to them. It was like a bolt of lightning, briefly illuminating the landscape but not changing it. The president seized on these manifestations of the American spirit. The day after he had defined America's enemies in his “axis of evil” speech, in January 2002, Mr Bush told an audience in Daytona Beach, Florida, about his country's “mission” in the world. “We're fighting for freedom, and civilisation and universal values.” That is one strand of American exceptionalism. America is the purest example of a nation founded upon universal values, such as democracy and human rights. It is a standard-bearer, an exemplar. But the president went further, seeking to change America's culture and values in ways that would make the country still more distinctive. “We've got a great opportunity,” he said at Daytona. “As a result of evil, there's some amazing things that are taking place in America. People have begun to challenge the culture of the past that said, ‘If it feels good, do it'. This great nation has a chance to help change the culture.” He was appealing to old-fashioned virtues of personal responsibility, self-reliance and restraint, qualities associated with a strand of exceptionalism that says American values and institutions are different and America is exceptional in its essence, not just because it is a standard-bearer. On this view, America is not exceptional because it is powerful; America is powerful because it is exceptional. And because what makes America different also keeps it rich and powerful, an administration that encourages American wealth and power will tend to encourage intrinsic exceptionalism. Walter Russell Mead of the Council on Foreign Relations dubs this impulse “American revivalism”. It is not an explicit ideology but a pattern of beliefs, attitudes and instincts. The Bush administration displays “exceptionalist” characteristics to an unusual extent. It is more openly religious than any of its predecessors. Mr Bush has called Jesus his favourite philosopher. White House staff members arrange Bible study classes. The president's re-election team courts evangelical Protestant voters. The administration wants religious institutions to play a bigger role in social policy. It also wears patriotism on its sleeve. That is not to say it is more patriotic than previous governments, but it flaunts this quality more openly, using images of the flag on every occasion and relishing America's military might to an unusual extent. More than any administration since Ronald Reagan's, this one is focused narrowly on America's national interest. Related to this is a certain disdain for “old Europe” which goes beyond frustrations over policy. By education and background, this is an administration less influenced than usual by those bastions of transatlanticism, Ivy League universities. One-third of President Bush senior's first cabinet secretaries, and half of President Clinton's, had Ivy League degrees. But in the current cabinet the share is down to a quarter. For most members of this administration, who are mainly from the heartland and the American west (Texas especially), Europe seems far away. They have not studied there. They do not follow German novels or French films. Indeed, for many of them, Europe is in some ways unserious. Its armies are a joke. Its people work short hours. They wear sandals and make chocolate. Europe does not capture their imagination in the way that China, the Middle East and America itself do. Mr Bush's own family embodies the shift away from Euro-centrism. His grandfather was a senator from Connecticut, an internationalist and a scion of Brown Brothers Harriman, bluest of blue-blooded Wall Street investment banks. His father epitomised the transatlantic generation. Despite his Yale education, he himself is most at home on his Texas ranch. Looked at this way, the Bush administration's policies are not only responses to specific problems, or to demands made by interest groups. They reflect a certain way of looking at America and the world. They embody American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism is nothing new. But it is getting sharper “EVERYTHING about the Americans,” said Alexis de Tocqueville, “is extraordinary, but what is more extraordinary still is the soil that supports them.” America has natural harbours on two great oceans, access to one of the world's richest fishing areas, an abundance of every possible raw material and a huge range of farmed crops, from cold-weather to tropical. Not only is it the fourth-largest country in the world, but two-thirds of it is habitable, unlike Russia or Canada. Any country occupying America's space on the map would be likely to be unusual. But as de Tocqueville also said, “Physical causes contribute less [to America's distinctiveness] than laws and mores.” In his 1995 book “American Exceptionalism,” Seymour Martin Lipset enumerates some of these laws and social features. In terms of income per head, America is the wealthiest large industrial country. It is also the only western democracy to have practised slavery in the industrial era. It has the highest crime rate and highest rate of imprisonment (though crime, at least, is falling towards European levels). Its society is among the most religious in the world. Perhaps less obviously, Americans are more likely than almost anyone else to join voluntary associations. America has a highly decentralised political system, with federal, state and local governments all collecting their own taxes, writing their own laws and administering their own affairs. Its federal government spends a relatively low share of national income. The country has more elective offices than any other, including, in some states, those of judges, which means that in each four-year cycle America holds about 1m elections. Not surprisingly, perhaps, it also has one of the lowest voter turn-outs, making it at once the most and the least democratic democracy. It has no large socialist party, and never has had. Nor has it ever had a significant fascist movement. Unlike conservative parties in Europe, its home-grown version has no aristocratic roots. America has one of the lowest tax rates among rich countries, the least generous public services, the highest military spending, the most lawyers per head, the highest proportion of young people at universities and the most persistent work ethic. But the term “exceptionalism” is more than a description of how America differs from the rest of the world. It also encompasses the significance of those differences and the policies based upon them. People have been searching for some wider meaning to the place since its earliest days. In 1630, the year the Massachusetts Bay Company was founded, John Winthrop, the colony's governor, described his new land as “a city upon a hill, the eyes of all people are upon us.” And as they have looked, people have found two quite different reasons for thinking that America is special. One is that it is uniquely founded on principles to which any country can aspire. In 1787, Alexander Hamilton wrote in the first Federalist Paper that “It seems to have been reserved to the people of this country, by their conduct and example, to decide the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force.” That is America-as-model. George Bush has embraced the idea. Commemorating the first anniversary of the attacks of September 11th 2001, he said that “the ideal of America is the hope of all mankind.” He was echoing Lincoln, who called America “the last, best hope of earth”. But exceptionalism has another meaning: that America is intrinsically different from other countries in its values and institutions, and is therefore not necessarily a model. Thomas Jefferson said that “Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours are perhaps more peculiar than those of any other in the universe.” In 1929, Jay Lovestone, the head of the American communist party, was summoned to Moscow. Stalin demanded to know why the worldwide communist revolution had advanced not one step in the largest capitalist country. Lovestone replied that America lacked the preconditions for communism, such as feudalism and aristocracy. No less an authority than Friedrich Engels had said the same thing, talking of “the special American conditions...which make bourgeois conditions look like a beau idéal to them.” So had an Italian Marxist, Antonio Gramsci, and a British socialist, H.G. Wells, who had both argued that America's unique origins had produced a distinctive value system and unusual politics. Lovestone was purged, but his argument still has force: America is exceptional partly because it is peculiar. As usual, de Tocqueville had thought about both meanings of exceptionalism before anyone else. In his book “Democracy in America”, he described not only what is particular to democracy, especially the way in which it changes how people think and act (what he calls “the quiet action of society upon itself”). He also described what was, and is, particular to America: its size, the institutions it had inherited from England, its decentralised administration. These two versions of American exceptionalism have more in common than might appear at first sight. Both suggest that the experience of America is open to others. The idea of America-as-model implies that other countries can come to be more like America, though American differences may still persist over time. The idea that America is intrinsically different is also consistent with the notion that outsiders can become American, but they must go there to do it and become citizens—hence America's extraordinary capacity to assimilate immigrants. There are three points to grasp from this gallop through the history of American exceptionalism. First, it is, as Mr Lipset put it, a double-edged sword. It helps explain the best and the worst about the country: its business innovation and its economic inequality; its populist democracy and its low voter turn-out; its high spending on education and its deplorable rates of infant mortality and teenage pregnancy. Exceptionalism is often used either as a boast or as a condemnation—though in reality it is neither. Second, the two strands help explain why exceptionalism is divisive within America itself. Most Americans are doubtless proud of the “exemplary” qualities of their country. But the non-exemplary, more peculiar features do not always command universal approval. Third, there should be nothing surprising, or necessarily disturbing, in a revival of exceptionalism. America has almost always been seen as different. The question is: has anything changed recently? Unparallel tracks It is always risky to proclaim a break in a trend. Yet evidence is growing that, over the past decade or so, America has been changing in ways that do make it more different from its allies in Europe, and September 11th has increased this divergence. Most of the previous half-century was a period of convergence. Between 1945 and about 1990, America and Europe seemed to be growing more like one another in almost every way that matters. Economically, Europe began the post-war period in ruins. According to Angus Maddison, an economic historian, in 1950 average incomes in western Europe were 54% of American ones. By the early 1990s, the ratio had passed 80%. Richer EU countries now boast a standard of living comparable to America's. Until the mid-1980s, America and Europe also both had stable populations, declining fertility rates and growing numbers of old people. In the 1960s, America moved closer towards European levels of government spending through the Great Society programmes. This was the start of Medicaid for the poor and, later, increased regulation of industry through bodies like the Environmental Protection Agency. With Watergate and the Vietnam war, America started to approach European levels of cynicism about government and military intervention abroad. In 1976, a sociologist, Daniel Bell, wrote a book whose title encapsulated the conventional wisdom of the time: “The End of American Exceptionalism”. Later changes seemed to prove him right. In the 1980s, European countries started to organise their economies on more American lines. Governments privatised and deregulated. Companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange, set up NASDAQ clones and started using share prices to measure a company's or manager's performance. In politics, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were both engaged in similar projects to shrink the size of the state. Bill Clinton (who was wildly popular in Europe) proclaimed himself a paid-up member of the largely European “third way”. When communism collapsed, Mr Fukuyama hailed “The End of History”. Countries, he argued, would henceforth tend to become more alike, more democratic, more liberal, more globalised. There would be less exceptionalism, of the American or any other kind. But things did not work out that way in foreign affairs, and other sorts of convergence may be coming to an end, too. The demographic differences are now startling. Around 1985, America's fertility rate bottomed out and began to rise again. It is now at almost two children per woman, just below the replacement level of 2.1, and looks set to rise further. Europe's fertility rate is below 1.4 and falling. Even China's is 1.8, and its birth rate is dropping fast. At the moment, the EU's population is considerably larger than America's—380m against 280m—and will grow further with enlargement next year. China's is nearly four times as large as America's. But on current trends, by the middle of this century America's population could be 440m-550m, larger than the EU's even after enlargement, and nearly half China's, rather than a quarter. America will also be noticeably younger then and ethnically more varied. At the moment, its median age is roughly the same as Europe's (36 against 38). By 2050, according to Bill Frey of the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, America's median age will still be around 36, but Europe's will have risen to 53 (and China's will be 44). In the 1990s, America took in the largest number of immigrants it had ever seen in one decade: 33m people now living in the country were born outside it, and Latinos have become the largest ethnic group. “America,” says Hania Zlotnik of the United Nations Population Division, “is the world's great demographic outlier.” Then there is the technology gap. Each year, more patents are applied for in America than in the European Union. America has almost three times as many Nobel prize-winners than the next country (Britain), and spends more on research and development than any other country. On one measure of academic performance, over 90 of the world's top 100 universities are in America. Europe and America have also been diverging economically, though one should be cautious about that. In the seven years from 1995 to 2001, real GDP rose by 3.3% a year in America but by only 2.5% a year in the European Union. The bursting of the stockmarket bubble and the subsequent recession reversed this pattern—in 2001, GDP growth was higher in Europe than America—but the gap opened up again as the economies recovered. On current estimates and forecasts, growth in America in the three years to 2004 will average 1.3 percentage points a year more than in the 12-country euro area. Some 60% of the world's economic growth since 1995 has come from America. These relative economic gains may be reversed. It is hard to see how the country can sustain both its huge trade and budget deficits. On the other hand, its growth in the 1990s reflected a big improvement in productivity, which rose by over 2% a year in the 1990s. The number of hours worked also rose. In 1982, Europeans and Americans put in roughly the same number of hours each year. Now, Americans work a daunting 300 hours a year more. These divergences began at different times and for different reasons. The demographic gap began to open up as long ago as the mid-1980s. Economies started to diverge in the mid-1990s. Even in the area most relevant to the terrorist attacks—foreign policy—the roots of transatlantic differences arguably go back to the fall of communism in 1989-91. September 11th did not create these tensions, but it dramatised some of them. The attacks took place at a time when America was governed by an administration already less engaged in Europe than any in recent history, and when almost all the other measures were, for the first time in 50 years, pointing in the same direction—away from Europe, as well as from much of the rest of the world. If this pattern continues, America may be entering a period of even greater dominance in world affairs. That alone makes American exceptionalism of more than domestic importance. American power will be divisive abroad—but it will also bring conflict at home, because a significant portion of Americans does not believe that the era of convergence is over. When Howard Dean, a Democratic presidential candidate, said that “We won't always have the strongest military,” he was slapped down by his own party as well as by Republicans. But he touched a nerve. The next section will explain how exceptionalism divides America as well as defining it. American values divide as well as define the country THE new National Constitution Centre in Philadelphia stands three blocks from where the Declaration of Independence and the American constitution were adopted. Post-it notes are dotted around the museum for visitors to reply to questions such as “What does it mean to be an American?”“It means I have a responsibility and obligation to protect my freedom and that of my children,” runs one typical reply. Or: “It means to say when I disagree.” Or: “Sometimes it means unbridled capitalism.” To a second question, “Should the ten commandments be displayed in public buildings?” the replies range from, “They are the foundational laws for the constitution” to, “We have the right to freedom from religion.” And to a third, “What makes you feel free?”, they include: “Our military forces willing to give their lives for mine”; “Not to have to think about it”; or simply, “USA rocks!” American values are distinctive, but not uniformly so. Patriotism and religious faith are unusually strong. Americans stress personal responsibility rather than collective goals. Many are fairly conservative in their social opinions and are somewhat more likely than Europeans to disapprove of divorce, abortion and homosexuality. Yet people on both sides of the Atlantic find international terrorism and the spread of weapons of mass destruction equally worrying. And Americans are in some ways more open than Europeans—or were, until the terrorist attacks of 2001 made them less welcoming—in their greater approval of immigration and the value of “other cultures”. It is this particular combination of values, as much as strong patriotism or religiosity, that really makes America stand out. Begin with an area of clear difference: attitudes to the role of government in a free market. People in almost every country surveyed by the Pew Research Centre in 2003 say they are better off in a free-market economy. But asked which is more important—that the government should guarantee no one is in need, or that it should not constrain the pursuit of personal goals—Europeans in both east and west come down roughly two-thirds/one-third in favour of a safety net, whereas Americans split two-thirds/one-third the other way. However, when asked, “Does the government control too much of your daily life? Is it usually inefficient and wasteful?”, two-thirds of respondents on both sides of the Atlantic say yes. So the differences seem to have less to do with the way that governments are viewed, and more to do with Americans' belief in the importance of individual effort. Pew's pollsters sought to measure this belief by asking people in 44 countries, “Do you agree or disagree that success is determined by forces outside your control?” In most countries, fewer than half thought that success was within their control. In only two did more than 60% consider success a matter of individual effort: Canada and, by the widest margin, the United States. In other areas, American exceptionalism is less clear-cut. For example, nine out of ten Americans say they are very patriotic, according to Pew. But Indians, Nigerians and Turks are equally patriotic. Among wealthy nations, Americans are also the most likely to go to church and to say God is very important in their lives, but again Indians, Nigerians and Turks are more religious than Americans. Lots of Americans like to buy products that shout, “I'm large. I'm loud. I'm ready for anything,” such as army assault vehicles lightly disguised as cars, or outdoor grills the size of small kitchens, or Arnold Schwarzenegger. David Brooks, a New York Times columnist, calls this “getting in touch with your inner longshoreman”. Yet at the same time Americans seem to be developing a more restrained side. They are just as likely as Europeans to say that people with AIDS should not be discriminated against. Support for the idea that “women should return to traditional roles in society” has fallen from just under a third in the late 1980s to about a fifth now, roughly the same as in Europe. Both Americans and Europeans overwhelmingly disagree that when jobs are scarce men should be given priority. Americans are slightly less likely than Europeans to find homosexuality socially acceptable, and less likely to support gay marriage, but tolerance of gays is on the increase (see chart 3). Americans also tend to be fairly positive about the contribution of immigrants to society, whereas in most of the rest of the industrial world more than half the population thinks immigrants are bad for their countries. These differences and similarities are best understood as values arranged along two spectrums of opinion. One spectrum, says the World Values Survey of the University of Michigan (which invented the idea), measures “traditional values”. The most important of these is patriotism; others concern religion and traditional family ties. Americans tend to be traditionalists. A remarkable 80% say they hold “old-fashioned values” about family and marriage. At the other end of this spectrum are “secular-rational” values, for whose adherents religion is a personal, optional matter, patriotism is not a big concern and children have their own lives to lead. Europeans tend to be secular-rationalists. On this spectrum, America is indeed exceptional. The other spectrum measures “quality of life” attitudes. At one end of it are the values and opinions people hold when economic and physical insecurity dominates their lives, as often happens in poor countries. This makes them suspicious of outsiders, cautious about changing patterns of work and reluctant to engage in political activity. At the other end are values of self-expression involving the acceptance of a wide range of behaviour. On this score, Americans and Europeans are similar, because neither group is engaged in a struggle for survival any more. But the two spectrums together suggest that there is a “values gap” within America itself too. In Europe, countries have become both more secular and more “self-expressive” as they have got richer. In America, this did not happen. That has profound implications. E pluribus duo In 1999, Gertrude Himmelfarb, a social historian, argued that America is becoming “One Nation, Two Cultures”. One is religious, puritanical, family-centred and somewhat conformist. The other is tolerant, hedonistic, secular, predominantly single and celebrates multiculturalism. These value judgments are the best predictor of political affiliation, far better than wealth or income. In the 2000 election, 63% of those who went to church more than once a week voted for George Bush; 61% of those who never went voted for Al Gore. About 70% of those who said abortion should always be available voted for Mr Gore; 74% of those who said it should always be illegal voted for Mr Bush. As Pete du Pont, a former governor of Delaware, pointed out, a map showing the sales and rentals of porn movies bore an eerie resemblance to the map of the 2000 election results. America, it is said, can live together because Americans live apart. The two cultures occupy different worlds. Traditionalists are concentrated in a great L-shape on the map, the spine of the Rockies forming its vertical arm, its horizontal one cutting a swathe through the South. With a couple of exceptions, all these “red states” voted for Mr Bush in 2000. The rest of the country is more secular. This includes the Pacific coast and the square outlined by the big L, consisting of the north-eastern and upper mid-western states. With a few exceptions, these “blue states” voted for Mr Gore in 2000. Their differences are deeply entrenched. Traditionalists are heavily concentrated in smaller towns and rural areas. Secularists dominate big cities. Southerners tend to be a bit more religious, a bit more socially conservative and more supportive of a strong military stance than the rest of the country. Intriguingly, black southerners are more conservative than blacks elsewhere, though less conservative than their white neighbours. The political effect of these differences is increasing. For historical reasons (Republicans having been the anti-slavery party in the civil war), white southerners were part of the Democratic coalition, circumscribing for many years the political impact of southern conservatism. Now, as the region becomes more Republican, that conservatism is getting noisier. In contrast, multiculturalism is deeply entrenched in blue states. The states with the highest levels of immigration of Latinos and Asians include New York, New Jersey, New Mexico and California—what Mr Frey calls America's new melting-pots. Mr Gore won all of them, except Texas and Florida. These were special cases: both had governors called Bush; both had seen the largest inflow from other parts of America of white immigrants, who tend to be more conservative. The differences between the two Americas seem to be getting sharper. A new survey of American values by Pew finds greater social and sexual tolerance, yet also more strictness on matters of personal morality. The number of people saying they completely agree that there are clear and universal guidelines about good and evil has risen from one-third to two-fifths in the space of 15 years. One of America's characteristic features is its sunny optimism, the sense that anything is possible. Yet there is an 18-point gap between the number of Democrats and Republicans who agree with the statement “I don't believe there are any real limits to growth in this country today.” Democrats are usually keener than Republicans to urge the administration to pay attention to domestic issues. This gap has widened from three points in 1997 to 16 points now. On America's role in the world, the importance of military strength and patriotism itself, the gap between the parties has never been wider. So if there is a revival of exceptionalism—in the sense both of greater divergence from other countries, and of policies based on it—it will be controversial. Red states are likely to welcome it. Blue states probably will not. But there are complicating factors. The red-blue split implies that two tribes are forming, with people within each of them thinking more or less alike. In reality, things are rarely that clear-cut. In his book “A California State of Mind”, published in 2002, Mark Baldassare of the Public Policy Institute in San Francisco showed that voters in that state do not fit the bifurcated pattern of the 2000 election. California is one of the most solidly Democratic (blue) states. Most voters call themselves socially liberal and environmentally friendly, which seem like “European” attributes. Yet in other ways California is as unEuropean as you can get, a place of swirling ethnicities that looks towards Latin America and Asia. Californians wanted the large tax revenues the state had generated during the boom years of the 1990s to be spent on social programmes, rather than handed back in tax cuts—again, a European impulse. Yet, in flat contradiction, they did not want their state government to grow because they did not trust politicians to spend the money wisely—an exceptionalist, American characteristic. powerpoint sermons in a traditional church, you can: they are piped into one by video link. Or you can watch the service on huge video screens while sipping a cappuccino in an outdoor café. But in case you think this is religion lite, Rick Warren, the pastor, will quickly encourage you to join one of the thousands of smaller groups that are the real life of the church. Saddleback members will help you find a school, a friend, a job or God. There is a “Geeks for God” club of Cisco employees, and a mountain-bike club where they pray and pedal. To Europeans, religion is the strangest and most disturbing feature of American exceptionalism. They worry that fundamentalists are hijacking the country. They find it extraordinary that three times as many Americans believe in the virgin birth as in evolution. They fear that America will go on a “crusade” (a term briefly used by Mr Bush himself) in the Muslim world or cut aid to poor countries lest it be used for birth control. The persistence of religion as a public force is all the more puzzling because it seems to run counter to historical trends. Like the philosophers of the Enlightenment, many Europeans argue that modernisation is the enemy of religion. As countries get richer, organised religion will decline. Secular Europe seems to fit that pattern. America does not. In fact, points out Peter Berger, head of the Institute on Religion and World Affairs at Boston University, few developing countries have shown signs of religious decline as their standards of living have risen. It may be Europe that is the exception here, not America. There is no doubt, though, that America is the most religious rich country. Over 80% of Americans say they believe in God, and 39% describe themselves as born-again Christians. Furthermore, 58% of Americans think that unless you believe in God, you cannot be a moral person. There is also some evidence that private belief is becoming more intense. The Pew Research Centre reported that the number of those who “agree strongly” with three articles of faith (belief in God, in judgment day and in the importance of prayer in daily life) rose by seven to ten points in 1965-2003. In the late 1980s, two-fifths of Protestants described themselves as “born again”; now the figure is over half. The importance of religion in America goes well beyond personal belief. Back in the 1960s, Gallup polls found that 53% of Americans thought churches should not be involved in politics, and 22% thought members of the clergy should not even mention candidates for public office from the pulpit. By 1996, these numbers had reversed: 54% thought it was fine for churches to talk about political and social issues, and 20% thought even stump speeches were permissible in church. For God and Republicanism These shifts in opinion have given a boost to one particular group of churches: evangelical Protestants. They embrace a variety of denominations, including Baptist, Confessional and Pentecostal churches, all of which stress individual salvation and the word of the Bible rather than sacraments or established doctrine. In 1987, they were the third-largest religious group in America, with a membership of 24% of the adult population; now they are the largest, with 30%. The percentage of Catholics has stayed stable, largely thanks to Latino immigrants, but established Protestant churches, such as Presbyterians, have declined sharply. A marriage of church and politics Evangelical Protestants bear out the European view that religion in America is politically active, socially conservative and overwhelmingly Republican. Almost two-thirds of committed evangelicals—the ones who attend church most frequently and say they hold strictly to the Bible—describe themselves as conservative, by far the largest proportion of any religious group. They are also more likely than other churchgoers to rate social and cultural issues as important, somewhat more likely to say homosexuality should be discouraged, and most likely to want to rein in the scope of government. Over time, evangelicals have become more willing to engage in politics, too. White evangelical Protestants represent almost a third of registered voters now, up from slightly below a quarter in 1987. Their leaders have tried to unite the various evangelical churches as a political force, establishing the Moral Majority in 1979 and the Christian Coalition in 1989. Their comments speak for themselves. Franklin Graham (Billy's son) called Islam “a wicked religion”. The former president of the Southern Baptist Convention called the Prophet Muhammad “a demon-possessed pedophile”. Such political activism, the growth of new churches and the increased intensity of belief has led some to argue that America may be in the early stages of a fourth Great Awakening, a period of religious fervour when the variety, vigour, size and public involvement of religious groups suddenly increases. Earlier awakenings occurred in the late colonial period, the 1820s and the late 19th century. Might the same thing be happening again? The evidence seems to be against it. Church attendance has not been increasing, as a new awakening would suggest. The Gallup organisation found that it fell slowly in the 1960s and 1970s, stabilised in 1980 and has remained level since then, with about two-thirds of the population claiming membership of a church. These findings are based on how often people say they go to church, something they tend to exaggerate. But a collection of records from the churches themselves, summarised by Harvard University's Robert Putnam, shows the same pattern (see chart 4). So do figures from the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, which show that in 2000 some 141m Americans—or half the population—were members of a church. That is a lot, but it falls well short of the four-fifths who believe in God as a private matter. And it is active churchgoing that makes the difference between private belief and public consequences. Even among fundamentalist Protestants, public influence is patchy. There was, for example, no huge turn-out of conservative Christians in the 1998 mid-term elections, even though the Lewinsky scandal infuriated religious voters. After President Bill Clinton's impeachment and acquittal, Paul Weyrich, a leader of the Moral Majority, wrote to the Washington Post to say that conservative Christians had “lost the culture wars”—hardly evidence of growing influence. It is not even clear how important religion is in determining the political and social views of evangelical Protestants. The largest concentration of these churches is in the South, among whites. But white southerners held conservative views on homosexuality, government, defence and so on long before the Moral Majority was invented. It is just as likely that social conservatism has encouraged evangelical churches as the other way around. The Pew study tried to disentangle the role of religion in determining churchgoers' views from other factors, and found that only in social and cultural attitudes (on matters like abortion and homosexuality) was religion alone a powerful factor. Even there, broader demographic factors were more important. Don't believe a word of it Lastly, although the number and membership of charismatic churches has certainly grown, there has been an offsetting increase in those who describe themselves as of no religion at all. Since 1960, the number of self-described secularists (atheists, agnostics and those not affiliated to any organised religion) has roughly doubled. According to a survey by the City University of New York (CUNY), 14% of Americans between 18 and 34 describe themselves as “secular” and a further 9% as “somewhat secular”. Secularists are more likely to live on the Pacific coast or in the north-east, in a city, have a college degree, be male, single, and either lean towards the Democrats or be politically independent. Committed evangelicals are more likely to live in the south, vote Republican, lack a college degree, live in towns or rural areas, and be female and married. In other words, America looks like two tribes, one religious and one secular. But the really distinctive feature of American religion is the area in the middle. Most Americans do not become members of a church to sign up for a crusade or to sit in judgment on miserable sinners. For them, churchgoing is a matter of personal belief, not conservative activism. Their religion is mild. In 1965, according to Gallup, half of respondents said the most important purpose of their church was to teach people to live better lives. Since then, the share has grown to almost three-quarters. This is the biggest change in America's religious life in the past 40 years. Alan Wolfe, of the Boisi Institute for the Study of Religion at Boston College, points out that American religion is exceptional in two senses: not only are Americans more religious than Europeans, but they have no national church. Thanks to the separation of church and state, the country has nothing comparable to, say, the Catholic churches of Italy and Spain, or the Church of England. Americans are members of sects. The two kinds of religious exceptionalism are connected. Rather as in the economic sphere competing private companies tend to produce wealth and activity, whereas monopoly firms have the opposite effect, so in the religious sphere competing sects generate a ferment of activity and increased levels of belief, whereas state churches produce indifference. This has implications for the quality of American belief. Churches come and go with astonishing speed. The statisticians of American religious bodies tracked 187 denominations (and there were many more) between 1990 and 2000; in that time 37 disappeared and 54 new ones appeared on the scene. Adherents and pastors, too, are constantly on the move. One study found that half the pastors of so-called “mega-churches” (suburban ones like Saddleback, with Sunday congregations of 2,000 or more) have moved from another denomination. According to the CUNY study, 16% of American adults—33m people—say they have switched denominations. For some churches the share of new adherents was startlingly high. In 2001, 30% of Pentecostalists had joined from another church and 19% had left; among Presbyterians, 24% came in and 25% went out. Such churning limits doctrinal purism, which might otherwise be expected in a new church. Instead, churches try to attract floating believers—what Wade Clark Roof, a sociologist, calls “a generation of seekers”. According to Mr Wolfe, American churches are therapeutic, not judgmental. They stress “soft” qualities such as guidance and mutual help, not “hard” ones like sin and damnation. This means that the charismatic and evangelical churches are not typical of the whole of religious life in America. If the pattern of public opinion in general is bell-shaped, that of religious belief has the profile of a Volkswagen Beetle: a bump of evangelical Protestants at the front, a bigger bulge of uncensorious congregations in the middle and a stubby secular tail. That must temper the notion that religion is running amok in America, or that it is causing America to run amok in the world. At Saddleback church, Rick Warren preaches that abortion is wrong. On a recent Sunday, anti-abortion groups lobbied for their cause as parishioners left church. Mr Warren told them not to return. He agreed with their views, but members of his church, and newcomers, might not. He did not want abortion to get between members and the more important matter of their relationship with God. American patriotism is different from the European variety HERMANIO BERMANIS holds up his right hand to take the oath of American citizenship. Half a million do the same every year, but this ceremony is unusual. It is being held in the Walter Reed military hospital, in the presence of two cabinet members, because Army Specialist Bermanis, who was born in Micronesia, had both legs and his left arm blown off on active service in Iraq. His right hand is all he has to hold up. The ceremony gave expression to a powerful sentiment: American patriotism. As de Tocqueville noted long ago, “The inhabitants of the United States speak much of their love for their native country.” Seymour Martin Lipset begins his book on American exceptionalism with a remark unusual for an academic: “I write as a proud American.” In a new survey of American values by the Pew Research Centre, fully 91% of Americans say they are very patriotic. Europeans have long been bothered by this feature of American life. De Tocqueville again: “There is nothing more annoying...than this irritable patriotism of the Americans.” But since September 11th the Europeans have become even more disturbed. They associate patriotism with militarism, intolerance and ethnic strife. No wonder they consider it an alarming quality in the world's most powerful country. Yet European and American patriotism are different. Patriotic Europeans take pride in a nation, a tract of land or a language they are born into. You cannot become un-French. In contrast, patriotic Americans have a dual loyalty: both to their country and to the ideas it embodies. “He loved his country,” said Lincoln of Henry Clay, “partly because it was his own country, but mostly because it was a free country.” As the English writer G.K. Chesterton said in 1922, America is the only country based on a creed, enshrined in its constitution and declaration of independence. People become American by adopting the creed, regardless of their own place of birth, parentage or language. And you can become un-American—by rejecting the creed. This dual character softens American patriotism. “My country, right or wrong” may be an American phrase (it comes from a toast by Stephen Decatur, an American naval hero), but only one American in two agrees with it, according to the Pew survey. Only two years after September 11th, fewer than half the respondents supported the statement that “We should try to get even with any country that tries to take advantage of the United States.” However, there is one trend in American opinion that should give pause for thought. Republicans have long been slightly more likely than Democrats to say they are intensely patriotic, but the gap has widened dramatically, and is now by far the largest on record. In 2003, 71% of Republicans said they were intensely patriotic, compared with only 48% of Democrats. An even larger gap has opened up in responses to the proposition that “The best way to ensure peace is through military strength.” The number of Democrats who agreed with that sentiment slumped from 55% in 2002 to 44% this year. The intensity gap may well reflect differing attitudes to the war in Iraq, the domestic effects of which will presumably fade with time. But the gap may also be an early indication of a more lasting split: over the passion of loyalty, and what counts as “real” patriotism.American politics has become more partisan, and nastier THE 2000 election was the third dead-heat in a row. In votes for the House of Representatives, the widest margin of victory between 1996 and 2000 was a mere 1.3 percentage points. Essentially, every presidential and House election came out at a dead heat, 49:49. The 2002 mid-term elections brought a change. In House races, Republicans won 51% of the popular vote, Democrats 46%. As Michael Barone, a political journalist, points out, statistically this margin was not significant, but politically it had a big impact. Republicans captured the Senate, the first time the president's party had ever won the upper chamber at this point in the electoral cycle. They gained 141 seats in statehouses, giving Republicans a majority of state legislators for the first time since 1952. The party kept its majority among state governors. In Washington, it controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency. The victory was highly unusual: most mid-term elections punish the incumbent party, especially at times of economic weakness. But does it presage a bigger electoral breakthrough, the beginning of the end of the 50-50 nation? It might. Ever since the New Deal, there have been more registered Democrats than Republicans. In the four years before September 11th, according to the Pew Research Centre, Democrats held a small advantage in party identification (34% of registered voters described themselves as Democrats, 28% as Republicans). But immediately after the terrorist attacks Democratic affiliation dropped sharply, and in the past two years the parties have been roughly balanced. There was a further rise in Republican identification after the Iraq war earlier this year, so at the moment Republicans have an advantage in party identification for only the second time in 75 years (see chart 5). September 11th seems to have been a turning point. But long-term trends were helping Republicans anyway. The defection of the South—America's most populous region—broke up the old Democratic coalition. In 2002, Republicans won the South by an even larger margin than in their landslide victory of 1994. The rise of an investor class (half of Americans own shares) benefits the party, because middle-class shareholders tend to back Republican causes such as privatising Social Security, the federal pensions system. These long-term trends are reinforced by significant temporary gains. The campaign-finance reform of 2002 shifted the balance of advantage towards the party that raises more cash from individuals, which currently means the Republicans. Sophisticated computer software has turned redistricting—the ability of the dominant party in state assemblies to gerrymander district boundaries—from an art into a science. In 2002, Republicans controlled the legislatures of three big states—Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. By amazing coincidence, in Gore-majority districts where Republicans drew new boundaries, their party won 11 more seats than in 2000. Breaking the deadlock So it is not hard to see why Republican strategists think their party may be on the verge of breaking the 50-50 deadlock. Yet, on balance, the evidence is still against the idea that there has been a fundamental shift in electoral politics. The 2002 elections did not break the mould. For incumbents to gain as much as Republicans did last year is unusual but not unprecedented. Democrats also won against the odds in 1998. And as Gary Jacobson of the University of California at San Diego points out, the Republicans' success in 2002 can be largely explained by special factors. At that point, Mr Bush's personal ratings—the highest of any president—ran well ahead of his ratings on the economy. Usually the two do not differ much. That implies that but for the war on terrorism, which buoyed up his overall popularity, Mr Bush would not have been able to shield Republican candidates from economic discontent. This is unlikely to apply in 2004. Mr Bush's popularity also scared off the Democrats, who fielded a particularly feeble bunch of challengers. They have a few more creditable ones now. Usually, incumbent parties lose seats in mid-term elections because congressmen squeak into marginal seats on the coat-tails of a successful president. But Mr Bush had no coat-tails in 2000, so in 2002 Republicans had fewer vulnerable seats to lose. Add in the special impact of redistricting, and most of the Republican success in 2002 can be explained by the party's skills in squeezing the most out of a largely balanced electorate rather than by a fundamental shift in its favour. There was little evidence that voters were less polarised in 2002 than they had been in 1996-2000. Opposites repel In one sense, that does not matter. If Mr Bush hopes a permanent majority is within his grasp, he may well dash ahead with an ambitious agenda. But he may also do that if he fears the partisan divide is too deep to be overcome. If so, his party's current political dominance would be just a window of opportunity, and he should take advantage of it before it closes. But the persistence of a deep electoral division effects how his policies—or any president's policies—are received and carried out. It tempts Mr Bush (or any Republican) to push for more extreme policies, and any Democrat to push for the opposite extreme. The divide also encourages partisan behaviour among voters. This increasing polarisation could turn out to be the most important trend in American politics today. George Wallace, a former governor of Alabama, used to say there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the parties. But polarisation is growing in Congress. Republicans are now twice as likely to toe the party line in the House and Senate as they were in 1975. Democrats are about one-and a half times as likely. Ad hoc “coalitions of the willing” have become much rarer in domestic politics. Partisanship is rife in congressional committees. Heads of committees used at least to pay lip service to the minority party when proposing legislation, but since Newt Gingrich's takeover in 1994, partisan control has by and large been the rule. Committee chairmen now routinely squelch attempts by Democrats to influence legislation, leading to petty squabbling and ill temper. Partisanship is also evident in redistricting, which has increased the number of safe seats towards North Korean levels. In 2004, only 30-40 congressional seats are likely to be truly competitive—a quarter of the number in the 1990s. Since 1964, the share of House incumbents re-elected with over 60% of the vote has risen from 58% to 77%. This makes congressmen's politics more extreme. If your district is rock-solid, you have little reason to fear that voters will kick you out for moving too far from their opinions. The main threat comes from party activists, who tend to be more extreme in their views and can propose a challenger in primary elections. So the dangers of drifting too far to the middle outweigh those of drifting too far to the extremes. Partisan redistricting marginalises centrist voters, aligns the views of candidates more closely with extremists on each side and radicalises politics. Away from Capitol Hill, partisanship has also grown in lobbying. Both parties have tried to control lobbyists, the fourth branch of American government, but Republicans have got better at it than Democrats. Every Tuesday, lobbyists troop to the office of Rick Santorum, the leader of the Senate Republican conference, to talk about hiring Republicans—an ex-chief of staff here, a pollster there. Republicans place their protégés in lobbying firms. The firms raise money for Republican candidates and help get them elected. Legislators then place their protégés in the firms. And so it goes on. Above all, polarisation has grown in the electorate, evidenced by a sharp decline in split-ticket voting (choosing a president from one party and a congressional representative from another). In 1972, 44% of congressmen and women represented a different party from the one whose presidential candidate carried their district. In 2000, the share was under 20%. The truly independent voter seems to be disappearing. That may seem curious, because those who call themselves independents easily outnumber self-identified Democrats or Republicans. Yet most so-called independents vote consistently one way or the other. The White House reckons that less than one-third of independent voters actually switched parties in the past three elections. With the decline of swing voters, there seems less and less point in running presidential campaigns to appeal to the slim middle. Instead, elections have become contests to mobilise core supporters. The 2000 and 2002 elections were both turn-out races. The upshot is that politics has become warfare. What matters most is the size and bloodthirstiness of your troops, not winning over neutrals. Politicians take the first opportunity to reach for weapons of mass destruction, such as Bill Clinton's impeachment or the recall of Governor Gray Davis in California. It is no longer possible to agree to disagree. Your enemies must be “Stupid White Men”, guilty of “Treason”, who live in a world of “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them” (to quote the titles of three of this year's political bestsellers). Increased partisanship has implications for the nature of America's public debate, the country's decentralised political tradition and Mr Bush himself. Politics as warfare is rooted in debates about fundamental issues. Over the past few years, the Republicans have become the “exceptionalist” party by celebrating America's traditional values and stressing qualities that make the country intrinsically different. Call that conservative exceptionalism. In contrast, Democrats are divided. Mainstream Democrats, including members of the Clinton administration, go for the other type of exceptionalism, the city-on-a-hill variety—though Mr Bush claims to espouse that, too. Others—notably Howard Dean and the left—seem to regard exceptionalism of any kind as a bad thing. Still others embrace what might be called liberal exceptionalism, celebrating America's egalitarian, anti-aristocratic heritage. In different ways, all these distinctions are based on values or principles. Steamrollering the enemy In contrast, winning at all costs is not, or not necessarily. Take the 2002 Senate election in Georgia, one of the nastiest campaigns of recent memory. The Democrat, Max Cleland, who had lost three limbs in Vietnam, was demonised as soft on Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. The culture of victory may supersede arguments about values and substance because conquest becomes imperative. America's political system is decentralised, with proud, distinctive traditions at state level, and national parties that used to be loose coalitions of diverse groups which banded together to win power. Partisanship, on the other hand, is a centralising force that encourages uniformity. America's distinctive political traditions have been tested before, and survived. In the early part of the 20th century, a time of just as much partisanship in voting and in politicians' behaviour, America did not move towards the party-dominated political systems familiar in Europe. But there was less ideological coherence then, and no television or national media groups to reinforce a consistent message. Now localism is weaker. And, at least on the Republican side, it faces a national organisation more disciplined, more firmly under the control of the White House, more fiercely loyal to the president—and more prepared to throw its weight around. In the 2002 elections, the White House intervened to persuade local parties in Minnesota, South Dakota and Georgia to change their senatorial candidate. The White House's choice won in two of the three states against the odds. This does not mean that party structures themselves have strengthened. In fact, in terms of raising money they are weaker than they have been throughout most of American history. But the parties are ideologically more distinct. And within the parties, politicians are more partisan and less diverse in their backgrounds. As for Mr Bush himself, he has proved a polarising president, better at solidifying the Republican base than at extending it. Two years after September 2001, his own party's approval of him stood at over 80%, but Democratic approval had fallen below 20%. This stunning gap marks Mr Bush as even more divisive than Bill Clinton, who suffered just as much from Republicans' hostility as Mr Bush does from Democrats'. But whereas Mr Clinton's policies were more popular than he was, with Mr Bush it is the other way around. His ratings on the economy and tax cuts are lower than his overall approval levels. The next section explains why. How “exceptional” is George Bush? FOR a moment, it seemed that the attacks of September 11th 2001 had created a new opportunity for political leadership. The mayor of New York, Rudolph Giuliani, transformed himself overnight from an effective, if cantankerous, administrator into a symbol of the resilient city. Mr Bush might have emulated him. Americans rallied round the president after the terrorist attacks. His speeches at the time expressed the mood of national determination. His stature as commander-in-chief grew. Yet Mr Bush made no real attempt to unify the nation behind a domestic cause. He made no call for sacrifice, as Franklin Roosevelt had done after Pearl Harbour. Asked what people could do for the nation at a time of crisis, Mr Bush replied: Go back to normal. Go shopping. This could perhaps be regarded as a failure of the president's imagination. But there is another reason. President Bush says he wants to promote America's universal values. In that sense, he is a city-on-the-hill exceptionalist. He also claimed during the 2000 election campaign that he would be “a uniter, not a divider”. But his political personality is too complicated for either claim to be wholly convincing. There are two George Bushes. One is ideological, divisive, willing to tear up the rule book and push strongly conservative policies. This is the Bush loved by Republicans, loathed by Democrats (see chart 6). The other is more incremental and sometimes more bipartisan. Yet even this Bush, who might appeal to the middle, is also surprisingly audacious. His audacity causes wariness among voters who are not strongly inclined for or against him. Big-government conservatism Foreign policy shows Mr Bush in rule-book-destroying mode. He has rejected the cornerstone of cold-war diplomacy, the doctrine of containment, and is unwilling to treat states as legitimate merely because they are internationally recognised or stable. This puts him at odds not only with European, but with cold-war traditions of American diplomacy. In some areas of domestic policy, Mr Bush has been almost as far-reaching. The best example is tax. As Bill Galston of the University of Maryland puts it, “Ronald Reagan thought government was the problem. George Bush thinks tax is the problem.” Mr Bush is in fact more radical, or more determined, than his Republican predecessor. Mr Reagan cut taxes in his first year but increased them later in the face of widening budget deficits. Mr Bush cut them in each of his first three years, despite the prospect, by the third year, of deficits as far as the eye can see. This year, total federal revenues stood at 17% of GDP, the lowest level since 1959, which was long before Medicare, Medicaid, federal education programmes and today's defence build-up. Mr Bush's tax policy is consistent with the “exceptionalist” view that, in a twist on Thomas Jefferson's words, “the government that governs best, taxes least.” It has heightened differences in the tax burden between the two sides of the Atlantic. What about the other George Bush? This is the one who created the biggest new bureaucracy since Harry Truman: the Department of Homeland Security. This is the Bush who has pushed the powers of the federal government into education, hitherto a state preserve, by requiring annual testing of students and raising federal spending to supervise those tests. It is the one who has allowed the Justice Department to detain suspected terrorists for longer periods and with less judicial review. This is the Bush who is trying to set up a national energy policy to reduce dependence on foreign oil; who slapped protectionist barriers on steel; who signed a farm bill costing $180 billion over ten years; who set up a White House office to promote marriage (surely the last thing a conservative government should be poking its nose into). And this is the one urging Congress to expand state health care for the elderly to cover some of the costs of prescription drugs—an action President Clinton's Medicare adviser says would be “the biggest expansion of government health benefits since the Great Society.” In all, the Bush administration in its first three years increased government spending by 21%. It will rise even higher if the president wins a second term and fulfils his promise to reform Social...

...all in all a pretty quiet summer, really.

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Well, back to Edinburgh tomorrow to start school again, I guess. I ticked off exactly 0 climbing goals on what has to be called my shittest climbing summer ever. Got a fair bit of road biking in, but mostly did fuck all. Kinda frustrated about that now but whatever.
How was everyone else's summer, in short? When I say "in short" I'm looking at YOU, Greg. I'm not in the mood for articles right now.

Hmm. My summer. Where to begin...

Well this summer I AT NINE o'clock on the morning of September 11th 2001, President George Bush sat in an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida, listening to seven-year-olds read stories about goats. “Night fell on a different world,” he said of that day. And on a different America.At first, America and the world seemed to change together. “We are all New Yorkers now,” ran an e-mail from Berlin that day, mirroring John F. Kennedy's declaration 40 years earlier, “Ich bin ein Berliner”, and predicting Le Monde's headline the next day, “Nous sommes tous Américains”. And America, for its part, seemed to become more like other countries. Al-Qaeda's strikes, the first on the country's mainland by a foreign enemy, stripped away something unique: its aura of invulnerability, its sense of itself as a place apart, “the city on a hill”. wo days after the event, President George Bush senior predicted that, like Pearl Harbour, “so, too, should this most recent surprise attack erase the concept in some quarters that America can somehow go it alone.” Francis Fukuyama, a professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, suggested that “America may become a more ordinary country in the sense of having concrete interests and real vulnerabilities, rather than thinking itself unilaterally able to define the nature of the world it lives in.” oth men were thinking about foreign policy. But global terrorism changed America at home as well. Because it made national security more important, it enhanced the role of the president and the federal government. Twice as many Americans as in the 1990s now say that they are paying a lot of attention to national affairs, where they used to care more about business and local stories. Some observers noted “a return to seriousness”—and indeed frivolities do not dominate television news as they used to.But America has not become “a more ordinary country”, either in foreign policy or in the domestic arena. Instead, this survey will argue that the attacks of 2001 have increased “American exceptionalism”—a phrase coined by Alexis de Tocqueville in the mid-19th century to describe America's profound differences from other nations. The features that the attacks brought to the surface were already there, but the Bush administration has amplified them. As a result, in the past two years the differences between America and other countries have become more pronounced. et because America is not a homogeneous country—indeed, its heterogeneity is one of its most striking features—many of its people feel uneasy about manifestations of exceptionalism. Hence, as this survey will also argue, the revival and expansion of American exceptionalism will prove divisive at home. This division will define domestic politics for years to come. Not all New Yorkers any more From the outside, the best indication of American exceptionalism is military power. America spends more on defence than the next dozen countries combined. In the nearest approach to an explicit endorsement of exceptionalism in the public domain, the National Security Strategy of 2002 says America must ensure that its current military dominance—often described as the greatest since Rome's—is not even challenged, let alone surpassed. In fact, military might is only a symptom of what makes America itself unusual. The country is exceptional in more profound ways. It is more strongly individualistic than Europe, more patriotic, more religious and culturally more conservative (see chart 1). Al-Qaeda's assaults stimulated two of these deeper characteristics. In the wake of the attacks, expressions of both love of country and love of God spiked. This did not necessarily mean Americans suddenly became more patriotic or religious. Rather, the spike was a reminder of what is important to them. It was like a bolt of lightning, briefly illuminating the landscape but not changing it. The president seized on these manifestations of the American spirit. The day after he had defined America's enemies in his “axis of evil” speech, in January 2002, Mr Bush told an audience in Daytona Beach, Florida, about his country's “mission” in the world. “We're fighting for freedom, and civilisation and universal values.” That is one strand of American exceptionalism. America is the purest example of a nation founded upon universal values, such as democracy and human rights. It is a standard-bearer, an exemplar. But the president went further, seeking to change America's culture and values in ways that would make the country still more distinctive. “We've got a great opportunity,” he said at Daytona. “As a result of evil, there's some amazing things that are taking place in America. People have begun to challenge the culture of the past that said, ‘If it feels good, do it'. This great nation has a chance to help change the culture.” He was appealing to old-fashioned virtues of personal responsibility, self-reliance and restraint, qualities associated with a strand of exceptionalism that says American values and institutions are different and America is exceptional in its essence, not just because it is a standard-bearer. On this view, America is not exceptional because it is powerful; America is powerful because it is exceptional. And because what makes America different also keeps it rich and powerful, an administration that encourages American wealth and power will tend to encourage intrinsic exceptionalism. Walter Russell Mead of the Council on Foreign Relations dubs this impulse “American revivalism”. It is not an explicit ideology but a pattern of beliefs, attitudes and instincts. The Bush administration displays “exceptionalist” characteristics to an unusual extent. It is more openly religious than any of its predecessors. Mr Bush has called Jesus his favourite philosopher. White House staff members arrange Bible study classes. The president's re-election team courts evangelical Protestant voters. The administration wants religious institutions to play a bigger role in social policy. It also wears patriotism on its sleeve. That is not to say it is more patriotic than previous governments, but it flaunts this quality more openly, using images of the flag on every occasion and relishing America's military might to an unusual extent. More than any administration since Ronald Reagan's, this one is focused narrowly on America's national interest. Related to this is a certain disdain for “old Europe” which goes beyond frustrations over policy. By education and background, this is an administration less influenced than usual by those bastions of transatlanticism, Ivy League universities. One-third of President Bush senior's first cabinet secretaries, and half of President Clinton's, had Ivy League degrees. But in the current cabinet the share is down to a quarter. For most members of this administration, who are mainly from the heartland and the American west (Texas especially), Europe seems far away. They have not studied there. They do not follow German novels or French films. Indeed, for many of them, Europe is in some ways unserious. Its armies are a joke. Its people work short hours. They wear sandals and make chocolate. Europe does not capture their imagination in the way that China, the Middle East and America itself do. Mr Bush's own family embodies the shift away from Euro-centrism. His grandfather was a senator from Connecticut, an internationalist and a scion of Brown Brothers Harriman, bluest of blue-blooded Wall Street investment banks. His father epitomised the transatlantic generation. Despite his Yale education, he himself is most at home on his Texas ranch. Looked at this way, the Bush administration's policies are not only responses to specific problems, or to demands made by interest groups. They reflect a certain way of looking at America and the world. They embody American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism is nothing new. But it is getting sharper “EVERYTHING about the Americans,” said Alexis de Tocqueville, “is extraordinary, but what is more extraordinary still is the soil that supports them.” America has natural harbours on two great oceans, access to one of the world's richest fishing areas, an abundance of every possible raw material and a huge range of farmed crops, from cold-weather to tropical. Not only is it the fourth-largest country in the world, but two-thirds of it is habitable, unlike Russia or Canada. Any country occupying America's space on the map would be likely to be unusual. But as de Tocqueville also said, “Physical causes contribute less [to America's distinctiveness] than laws and mores.” In his 1995 book “American Exceptionalism,” Seymour Martin Lipset enumerates some of these laws and social features. In terms of income per head, America is the wealthiest large industrial country. It is also the only western democracy to have practised slavery in the industrial era. It has the highest crime rate and highest rate of imprisonment (though crime, at least, is falling towards European levels). Its society is among the most religious in the world. Perhaps less obviously, Americans are more likely than almost anyone else to join voluntary associations. America has a highly decentralised political system, with federal, state and local governments all collecting their own taxes, writing their own laws and administering their own affairs. Its federal government spends a relatively low share of national income. The country has more elective offices than any other, including, in some states, those of judges, which means that in each four-year cycle America holds about 1m elections. Not surprisingly, perhaps, it also has one of the lowest voter turn-outs, making it at once the most and the least democratic democracy. It has no large socialist party, and never has had. Nor has it ever had a significant fascist movement. Unlike conservative parties in Europe, its home-grown version has no aristocratic roots. America has one of the lowest tax rates among rich countries, the least generous public services, the highest military spending, the most lawyers per head, the highest proportion of young people at universities and the most persistent work ethic. But the term “exceptionalism” is more than a description of how America differs from the rest of the world. It also encompasses the significance of those differences and the policies based upon them. People have been searching for some wider meaning to the place since its earliest days. In 1630, the year the Massachusetts Bay Company was founded, John Winthrop, the colony's governor, described his new land as “a city upon a hill, the eyes of all people are upon us.” And as they have looked, people have found two quite different reasons for thinking that America is special. One is that it is uniquely founded on principles to which any country can aspire. In 1787, Alexander Hamilton wrote in the first Federalist Paper that “It seems to have been reserved to the people of this country, by their conduct and example, to decide the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force.” That is America-as-model. George Bush has embraced the idea. Commemorating the first anniversary of the attacks of September 11th 2001, he said that “the ideal of America is the hope of all mankind.” He was echoing Lincoln, who called America “the last, best hope of earth”. But exceptionalism has another meaning: that America is intrinsically different from other countries in its values and institutions, and is therefore not necessarily a model. Thomas Jefferson said that “Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours are perhaps more peculiar than those of any other in the universe.” In 1929, Jay Lovestone, the head of the American communist party, was summoned to Moscow. Stalin demanded to know why the worldwide communist revolution had advanced not one step in the largest capitalist country. Lovestone replied that America lacked the preconditions for communism, such as feudalism and aristocracy. No less an authority than Friedrich Engels had said the same thing, talking of “the special American conditions...which make bourgeois conditions look like a beau idéal to them.” So had an Italian Marxist, Antonio Gramsci, and a British socialist, H.G. Wells, who had both argued that America's unique origins had produced a distinctive value system and unusual politics. Lovestone was purged, but his argument still has force: America is exceptional partly because it is peculiar. As usual, de Tocqueville had thought about both meanings of exceptionalism before anyone else. In his book “Democracy in America”, he described not only what is particular to democracy, especially the way in which it changes how people think and act (what he calls “the quiet action of society upon itself”). He also described what was, and is, particular to America: its size, the institutions it had inherited from England, its decentralised administration. These two versions of American exceptionalism have more in common than might appear at first sight. Both suggest that the experience of America is open to others. The idea of America-as-model implies that other countries can come to be more like America, though American differences may still persist over time. The idea that America is intrinsically different is also consistent with the notion that outsiders can become American, but they must go there to do it and become citizens—hence America's extraordinary capacity to assimilate immigrants. There are three points to grasp from this gallop through the history of American exceptionalism. First, it is, as Mr Lipset put it, a double-edged sword. It helps explain the best and the worst about the country: its business innovation and its economic inequality; its populist democracy and its low voter turn-out; its high spending on education and its deplorable rates of infant mortality and teenage pregnancy. Exceptionalism is often used either as a boast or as a condemnation—though in reality it is neither. Second, the two strands help explain why exceptionalism is divisive within America itself. Most Americans are doubtless proud of the “exemplary” qualities of their country. But the non-exemplary, more peculiar features do not always command universal approval. Third, there should be nothing surprising, or necessarily disturbing, in a revival of exceptionalism. America has almost always been seen as different. The question is: has anything changed recently? Unparallel tracks It is always risky to proclaim a break in a trend. Yet evidence is growing that, over the past decade or so, America has been changing in ways that do make it more different from its allies in Europe, and September 11th has increased this divergence. Most of the previous half-century was a period of convergence. Between 1945 and about 1990, America and Europe seemed to be growing more like one another in almost every way that matters. Economically, Europe began the post-war period in ruins. According to Angus Maddison, an economic historian, in 1950 average incomes in western Europe were 54% of American ones. By the early 1990s, the ratio had passed 80%. Richer EU countries now boast a standard of living comparable to America's. Until the mid-1980s, America and Europe also both had stable populations, declining fertility rates and growing numbers of old people. In the 1960s, America moved closer towards European levels of government spending through the Great Society programmes. This was the start of Medicaid for the poor and, later, increased regulation of industry through bodies like the Environmental Protection Agency. With Watergate and the Vietnam war, America started to approach European levels of cynicism about government and military intervention abroad. In 1976, a sociologist, Daniel Bell, wrote a book whose title encapsulated the conventional wisdom of the time: “The End of American Exceptionalism”. Later changes seemed to prove him right. In the 1980s, European countries started to organise their economies on more American lines. Governments privatised and deregulated. Companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange, set up NASDAQ clones and started using share prices to measure a company's or manager's performance. In politics, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were both engaged in similar projects to shrink the size of the state. Bill Clinton (who was wildly popular in Europe) proclaimed himself a paid-up member of the largely European “third way”. When communism collapsed, Mr Fukuyama hailed “The End of History”. Countries, he argued, would henceforth tend to become more alike, more democratic, more liberal, more globalised. There would be less exceptionalism, of the American or any other kind. But things did not work out that way in foreign affairs, and other sorts of convergence may be coming to an end, too. The demographic differences are now startling. Around 1985, America's fertility rate bottomed out and began to rise again. It is now at almost two children per woman, just below the replacement level of 2.1, and looks set to rise further. Europe's fertility rate is below 1.4 and falling. Even China's is 1.8, and its birth rate is dropping fast. At the moment, the EU's population is considerably larger than America's—380m against 280m—and will grow further with enlargement next year. China's is nearly four times as large as America's. But on current trends, by the middle of this century America's population could be 440m-550m, larger than the EU's even after enlargement, and nearly half China's, rather than a quarter. America will also be noticeably younger then and ethnically more varied. At the moment, its median age is roughly the same as Europe's (36 against 38). By 2050, according to Bill Frey of the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, America's median age will still be around 36, but Europe's will have risen to 53 (and China's will be 44). In the 1990s, America took in the largest number of immigrants it had ever seen in one decade: 33m people now living in the country were born outside it, and Latinos have become the largest ethnic group. “America,” says Hania Zlotnik of the United Nations Population Division, “is the world's great demographic outlier.” Then there is the technology gap. Each year, more patents are applied for in America than in the European Union. America has almost three times as many Nobel prize-winners than the next country (Britain), and spends more on research and development than any other country. On one measure of academic performance, over 90 of the world's top 100 universities are in America. Europe and America have also been diverging economically, though one should be cautious about that. In the seven years from 1995 to 2001, real GDP rose by 3.3% a year in America but by only 2.5% a year in the European Union. The bursting of the stockmarket bubble and the subsequent recession reversed this pattern—in 2001, GDP growth was higher in Europe than America—but the gap opened up again as the economies recovered. On current estimates and forecasts, growth in America in the three years to 2004 will average 1.3 percentage points a year more than in the 12-country euro area. Some 60% of the world's economic growth since 1995 has come from America. These relative economic gains may be reversed. It is hard to see how the country can sustain both its huge trade and budget deficits. On the other hand, its growth in the 1990s reflected a big improvement in productivity, which rose by over 2% a year in the 1990s. The number of hours worked also rose. In 1982, Europeans and Americans put in roughly the same number of hours each year. Now, Americans work a daunting 300 hours a year more. These divergences began at different times and for different reasons. The demographic gap began to open up as long ago as the mid-1980s. Economies started to diverge in the mid-1990s. Even in the area most relevant to the terrorist attacks—foreign policy—the roots of transatlantic differences arguably go back to the fall of communism in 1989-91. September 11th did not create these tensions, but it dramatised some of them. The attacks took place at a time when America was governed by an administration already less engaged in Europe than any in recent history, and when almost all the other measures were, for the first time in 50 years, pointing in the same direction—away from Europe, as well as from much of the rest of the world. If this pattern continues, America may be entering a period of even greater dominance in world affairs. That alone makes American exceptionalism of more than domestic importance. American power will be divisive abroad—but it will also bring conflict at home, because a significant portion of Americans does not believe that the era of convergence is over. When Howard Dean, a Democratic presidential candidate, said that “We won't always have the strongest military,” he was slapped down by his own party as well as by Republicans. But he touched a nerve. The next section will explain how exceptionalism divides America as well as defining it. American values divide as well as define the country THE new National Constitution Centre in Philadelphia stands three blocks from where the Declaration of Independence and the American constitution were adopted. Post-it notes are dotted around the museum for visitors to reply to questions such as “What does it mean to be an American?”“It means I have a responsibility and obligation to protect my freedom and that of my children,” runs one typical reply. Or: “It means to say when I disagree.” Or: “Sometimes it means unbridled capitalism.” To a second question, “Should the ten commandments be displayed in public buildings?” the replies range from, “They are the foundational laws for the constitution” to, “We have the right to freedom from religion.” And to a third, “What makes you feel free?”, they include: “Our military forces willing to give their lives for mine”; “Not to have to think about it”; or simply, “USA rocks!” American values are distinctive, but not uniformly so. Patriotism and religious faith are unusually strong. Americans stress personal responsibility rather than collective goals. Many are fairly conservative in their social opinions and are somewhat more likely than Europeans to disapprove of divorce, abortion and homosexuality. Yet people on both sides of the Atlantic find international terrorism and the spread of weapons of mass destruction equally worrying. And Americans are in some ways more open than Europeans—or were, until the terrorist attacks of 2001 made them less welcoming—in their greater approval of immigration and the value of “other cultures”. It is this particular combination of values, as much as strong patriotism or religiosity, that really makes America stand out. Begin with an area of clear difference: attitudes to the role of government in a free market. People in almost every country surveyed by the Pew Research Centre in 2003 say they are better off in a free-market economy. But asked which is more important—that the government should guarantee no one is in need, or that it should not constrain the pursuit of personal goals—Europeans in both east and west come down roughly two-thirds/one-third in favour of a safety net, whereas Americans split two-thirds/one-third the other way. However, when asked, “Does the government control too much of your daily life? Is it usually inefficient and wasteful?”, two-thirds of respondents on both sides of the Atlantic say yes. So the differences seem to have less to do with the way that governments are viewed, and more to do with Americans' belief in the importance of individual effort. Pew's pollsters sought to measure this belief by asking people in 44 countries, “Do you agree or disagree that success is determined by forces outside your control?” In most countries, fewer than half thought that success was within their control. In only two did more than 60% consider success a matter of individual effort: Canada and, by the widest margin, the United States. In other areas, American exceptionalism is less clear-cut. For example, nine out of ten Americans say they are very patriotic, according to Pew. But Indians, Nigerians and Turks are equally patriotic. Among wealthy nations, Americans are also the most likely to go to church and to say God is very important in their lives, but again Indians, Nigerians and Turks are more religious than Americans. Lots of Americans like to buy products that shout, “I'm large. I'm loud. I'm ready for anything,” such as army assault vehicles lightly disguised as cars, or outdoor grills the size of small kitchens, or Arnold Schwarzenegger. David Brooks, a New York Times columnist, calls this “getting in touch with your inner longshoreman”. Yet at the same time Americans seem to be developing a more restrained side. They are just as likely as Europeans to say that people with AIDS should not be discriminated against. Support for the idea that “women should return to traditional roles in society” has fallen from just under a third in the late 1980s to about a fifth now, roughly the same as in Europe. Both Americans and Europeans overwhelmingly disagree that when jobs are scarce men should be given priority. Americans are slightly less likely than Europeans to find homosexuality socially acceptable, and less likely to support gay marriage, but tolerance of gays is on the increase (see chart 3). Americans also tend to be fairly positive about the contribution of immigrants to society, whereas in most of the rest of the industrial world more than half the population thinks immigrants are bad for their countries. These differences and similarities are best understood as values arranged along two spectrums of opinion. One spectrum, says the World Values Survey of the University of Michigan (which invented the idea), measures “traditional values”. The most important of these is patriotism; others concern religion and traditional family ties. Americans tend to be traditionalists. A remarkable 80% say they hold “old-fashioned values” about family and marriage. At the other end of this spectrum are “secular-rational” values, for whose adherents religion is a personal, optional matter, patriotism is not a big concern and children have their own lives to lead. Europeans tend to be secular-rationalists. On this spectrum, America is indeed exceptional. The other spectrum measures “quality of life” attitudes. At one end of it are the values and opinions people hold when economic and physical insecurity dominates their lives, as often happens in poor countries. This makes them suspicious of outsiders, cautious about changing patterns of work and reluctant to engage in political activity. At the other end are values of self-expression involving the acceptance of a wide range of behaviour. On this score, Americans and Europeans are similar, because neither group is engaged in a struggle for survival any more. But the two spectrums together suggest that there is a “values gap” within America itself too. In Europe, countries have become both more secular and more “self-expressive” as they have got richer. In America, this did not happen. That has profound implications. E pluribus duo In 1999, Gertrude Himmelfarb, a social historian, argued that America is becoming “One Nation, Two Cultures”. One is religious, puritanical, family-centred and somewhat conformist. The other is tolerant, hedonistic, secular, predominantly single and celebrates multiculturalism. These value judgments are the best predictor of political affiliation, far better than wealth or income. In the 2000 election, 63% of those who went to church more than once a week voted for George Bush; 61% of those who never went voted for Al Gore. About 70% of those who said abortion should always be available voted for Mr Gore; 74% of those who said it should always be illegal voted for Mr Bush. As Pete du Pont, a former governor of Delaware, pointed out, a map showing the sales and rentals of porn movies bore an eerie resemblance to the map of the 2000 election results. America, it is said, can live together because Americans live apart. The two cultures occupy different worlds. Traditionalists are concentrated in a great L-shape on the map, the spine of the Rockies forming its vertical arm, its horizontal one cutting a swathe through the South. With a couple of exceptions, all these “red states” voted for Mr Bush in 2000. The rest of the country is more secular. This includes the Pacific coast and the square outlined by the big L, consisting of the north-eastern and upper mid-western states. With a few exceptions, these “blue states” voted for Mr Gore in 2000. Their differences are deeply entrenched. Traditionalists are heavily concentrated in smaller towns and rural areas. Secularists dominate big cities. Southerners tend to be a bit more religious, a bit more socially conservative and more supportive of a strong military stance than the rest of the country. Intriguingly, black southerners are more conservative than blacks elsewhere, though less conservative than their white neighbours. The political effect of these differences is increasing. For historical reasons (Republicans having been the anti-slavery party in the civil war), white southerners were part of the Democratic coalition, circumscribing for many years the political impact of southern conservatism. Now, as the region becomes more Republican, that conservatism is getting noisier. In contrast, multiculturalism is deeply entrenched in blue states. The states with the highest levels of immigration of Latinos and Asians include New York, New Jersey, New Mexico and California—what Mr Frey calls America's new melting-pots. Mr Gore won all of them, except Texas and Florida. These were special cases: both had governors called Bush; both had seen the largest inflow from other parts of America of white immigrants, who tend to be more conservative. The differences between the two Americas seem to be getting sharper. A new survey of American values by Pew finds greater social and sexual tolerance, yet also more strictness on matters of personal morality. The number of people saying they completely agree that there are clear and universal guidelines about good and evil has risen from one-third to two-fifths in the space of 15 years. One of America's characteristic features is its sunny optimism, the sense that anything is possible. Yet there is an 18-point gap between the number of Democrats and Republicans who agree with the statement “I don't believe there are any real limits to growth in this country today.” Democrats are usually keener than Republicans to urge the administration to pay attention to domestic issues. This gap has widened from three points in 1997 to 16 points now. On America's role in the world, the importance of military strength and patriotism itself, the gap between the parties has never been wider. So if there is a revival of exceptionalism—in the sense both of greater divergence from other countries, and of policies based on it—it will be controversial. Red states are likely to welcome it. Blue states probably will not. But there are complicating factors. The red-blue split implies that two tribes are forming, with people within each of them thinking more or less alike. In reality, things are rarely that clear-cut. In his book “A California State of Mind”, published in 2002, Mark Baldassare of the Public Policy Institute in San Francisco showed that voters in that state do not fit the bifurcated pattern of the 2000 election. California is one of the most solidly Democratic (blue) states. Most voters call themselves socially liberal and environmentally friendly, which seem like “European” attributes. Yet in other ways California is as unEuropean as you can get, a place of swirling ethnicities that looks towards Latin America and Asia. Californians wanted the large tax revenues the state had generated during the boom years of the 1990s to be spent on social programmes, rather than handed back in tax cuts—again, a European impulse. Yet, in flat contradiction, they did not want their state government to grow because they did not trust politicians to spend the money wisely—an exceptionalist, American characteristic. powerpoint sermons in a traditional church, you can: they are piped into one by video link. Or you can watch the service on huge video screens while sipping a cappuccino in an outdoor café. But in case you think this is religion lite, Rick Warren, the pastor, will quickly encourage you to join one of the thousands of smaller groups that are the real life of the church. Saddleback members will help you find a school, a friend, a job or God. There is a “Geeks for God” club of Cisco employees, and a mountain-bike club where they pray and pedal. To Europeans, religion is the strangest and most disturbing feature of American exceptionalism. They worry that fundamentalists are hijacking the country. They find it extraordinary that three times as many Americans believe in the virgin birth as in evolution. They fear that America will go on a “crusade” (a term briefly used by Mr Bush himself) in the Muslim world or cut aid to poor countries lest it be used for birth control. The persistence of religion as a public force is all the more puzzling because it seems to run counter to historical trends. Like the philosophers of the Enlightenment, many Europeans argue that modernisation is the enemy of religion. As countries get richer, organised religion will decline. Secular Europe seems to fit that pattern. America does not. In fact, points out Peter Berger, head of the Institute on Religion and World Affairs at Boston University, few developing countries have shown signs of religious decline as their standards of living have risen. It may be Europe that is the exception here, not America. There is no doubt, though, that America is the most religious rich country. Over 80% of Americans say they believe in God, and 39% describe themselves as born-again Christians. Furthermore, 58% of Americans think that unless you believe in God, you cannot be a moral person. There is also some evidence that private belief is becoming more intense. The Pew Research Centre reported that the number of those who “agree strongly” with three articles of faith (belief in God, in judgment day and in the importance of prayer in daily life) rose by seven to ten points in 1965-2003. In the late 1980s, two-fifths of Protestants described themselves as “born again”; now the figure is over half. The importance of religion in America goes well beyond personal belief. Back in the 1960s, Gallup polls found that 53% of Americans thought churches should not be involved in politics, and 22% thought members of the clergy should not even mention candidates for public office from the pulpit. By 1996, these numbers had reversed: 54% thought it was fine for churches to talk about political and social issues, and 20% thought even stump speeches were permissible in church. For God and Republicanism These shifts in opinion have given a boost to one particular group of churches: evangelical Protestants. They embrace a variety of denominations, including Baptist, Confessional and Pentecostal churches, all of which stress individual salvation and the word of the Bible rather than sacraments or established doctrine. In 1987, they were the third-largest religious group in America, with a membership of 24% of the adult population; now they are the largest, with 30%. The percentage of Catholics has stayed stable, largely thanks to Latino immigrants, but established Protestant churches, such as Presbyterians, have declined sharply. A marriage of church and politics Evangelical Protestants bear out the European view that religion in America is politically active, socially conservative and overwhelmingly Republican. Almost two-thirds of committed evangelicals—the ones who attend church most frequently and say they hold strictly to the Bible—describe themselves as conservative, by far the largest proportion of any religious group. They are also more likely than other churchgoers to rate social and cultural issues as important, somewhat more likely to say homosexuality should be discouraged, and most likely to want to rein in the scope of government. Over time, evangelicals have become more willing to engage in politics, too. White evangelical Protestants represent almost a third of registered voters now, up from slightly below a quarter in 1987. Their leaders have tried to unite the various evangelical churches as a political force, establishing the Moral Majority in 1979 and the Christian Coalition in 1989. Their comments speak for themselves. Franklin Graham (Billy's son) called Islam “a wicked religion”. The former president of the Southern Baptist Convention called the Prophet Muhammad “a demon-possessed pedophile”. Such political activism, the growth of new churches and the increased intensity of belief has led some to argue that America may be in the early stages of a fourth Great Awakening, a period of religious fervour when the variety, vigour, size and public involvement of religious groups suddenly increases. Earlier awakenings occurred in the late colonial period, the 1820s and the late 19th century. Might the same thing be happening again? The evidence seems to be against it. Church attendance has not been increasing, as a new awakening would suggest. The Gallup organisation found that it fell slowly in the 1960s and 1970s, stabilised in 1980 and has remained level since then, with about two-thirds of the population claiming membership of a church. These findings are based on how often people say they go to church, something they tend to exaggerate. But a collection of records from the churches themselves, summarised by Harvard University's Robert Putnam, shows the same pattern (see chart 4). So do figures from the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, which show that in 2000 some 141m Americans—or half the population—were members of a church. That is a lot, but it falls well short of the four-fifths who believe in God as a private matter. And it is active churchgoing that makes the difference between private belief and public consequences. Even among fundamentalist Protestants, public influence is patchy. There was, for example, no huge turn-out of conservative Christians in the 1998 mid-term elections, even though the Lewinsky scandal infuriated religious voters. After President Bill Clinton's impeachment and acquittal, Paul Weyrich, a leader of the Moral Majority, wrote to the Washington Post to say that conservative Christians had “lost the culture wars”—hardly evidence of growing influence. It is not even clear how important religion is in determining the political and social views of evangelical Protestants. The largest concentration of these churches is in the South, among whites. But white southerners held conservative views on homosexuality, government, defence and so on long before the Moral Majority was invented. It is just as likely that social conservatism has encouraged evangelical churches as the other way around. The Pew study tried to disentangle the role of religion in determining churchgoers' views from other factors, and found that only in social and cultural attitudes (on matters like abortion and homosexuality) was religion alone a powerful factor. Even there, broader demographic factors were more important. Don't believe a word of it Lastly, although the number and membership of charismatic churches has certainly grown, there has been an offsetting increase in those who describe themselves as of no religion at all. Since 1960, the number of self-described secularists (atheists, agnostics and those not affiliated to any organised religion) has roughly doubled. According to a survey by the City University of New York (CUNY), 14% of Americans between 18 and 34 describe themselves as “secular” and a further 9% as “somewhat secular”. Secularists are more likely to live on the Pacific coast or in the north-east, in a city, have a college degree, be male, single, and either lean towards the Democrats or be politically independent. Committed evangelicals are more likely to live in the south, vote Republican, lack a college degree, live in towns or rural areas, and be female and married. In other words, America looks like two tribes, one religious and one secular. But the really distinctive feature of American religion is the area in the middle. Most Americans do not become members of a church to sign up for a crusade or to sit in judgment on miserable sinners. For them, churchgoing is a matter of personal belief, not conservative activism. Their religion is mild. In 1965, according to Gallup, half of respondents said the most important purpose of their church was to teach people to live better lives. Since then, the share has grown to almost three-quarters. This is the biggest change in America's religious life in the past 40 years. Alan Wolfe, of the Boisi Institute for the Study of Religion at Boston College, points out that American religion is exceptional in two senses: not only are Americans more religious than Europeans, but they have no national church. Thanks to the separation of church and state, the country has nothing comparable to, say, the Catholic churches of Italy and Spain, or the Church of England. Americans are members of sects. The two kinds of religious exceptionalism are connected. Rather as in the economic sphere competing private companies tend to produce wealth and activity, whereas monopoly firms have the opposite effect, so in the religious sphere competing sects generate a ferment of activity and increased levels of belief, whereas state churches produce indifference. This has implications for the quality of American belief. Churches come and go with astonishing speed. The statisticians of American religious bodies tracked 187 denominations (and there were many more) between 1990 and 2000; in that time 37 disappeared and 54 new ones appeared on the scene. Adherents and pastors, too, are constantly on the move. One study found that half the pastors of so-called “mega-churches” (suburban ones like Saddleback, with Sunday congregations of 2,000 or more) have moved from another denomination. According to the CUNY study, 16% of American adults—33m people—say they have switched denominations. For some churches the share of new adherents was startlingly high. In 2001, 30% of Pentecostalists had joined from another church and 19% had left; among Presbyterians, 24% came in and 25% went out. Such churning limits doctrinal purism, which might otherwise be expected in a new church. Instead, churches try to attract floating believers—what Wade Clark Roof, a sociologist, calls “a generation of seekers”. According to Mr Wolfe, American churches are therapeutic, not judgmental. They stress “soft” qualities such as guidance and mutual help, not “hard” ones like sin and damnation. This means that the charismatic and evangelical churches are not typical of the whole of religious life in America. If the pattern of public opinion in general is bell-shaped, that of religious belief has the profile of a Volkswagen Beetle: a bump of evangelical Protestants at the front, a bigger bulge of uncensorious congregations in the middle and a stubby secular tail. That must temper the notion that religion is running amok in America, or that it is causing America to run amok in the world. At Saddleback church, Rick Warren preaches that abortion is wrong. On a recent Sunday, anti-abortion groups lobbied for their cause as parishioners left church. Mr Warren told them not to return. He agreed with their views, but members of his church, and newcomers, might not. He did not want abortion to get between members and the more important matter of their relationship with God. American patriotism is different from the European variety HERMANIO BERMANIS holds up his right hand to take the oath of American citizenship. Half a million do the same every year, but this ceremony is unusual. It is being held in the Walter Reed military hospital, in the presence of two cabinet members, because Army Specialist Bermanis, who was born in Micronesia, had both legs and his left arm blown off on active service in Iraq. His right hand is all he has to hold up. The ceremony gave expression to a powerful sentiment: American patriotism. As de Tocqueville noted long ago, “The inhabitants of the United States speak much of their love for their native country.” Seymour Martin Lipset begins his book on American exceptionalism with a remark unusual for an academic: “I write as a proud American.” In a new survey of American values by the Pew Research Centre, fully 91% of Americans say they are very patriotic. Europeans have long been bothered by this feature of American life. De Tocqueville again: “There is nothing more annoying...than this irritable patriotism of the Americans.” But since September 11th the Europeans have become even more disturbed. They associate patriotism with militarism, intolerance and ethnic strife. No wonder they consider it an alarming quality in the world's most powerful country. Yet European and American patriotism are different. Patriotic Europeans take pride in a nation, a tract of land or a language they are born into. You cannot become un-French. In contrast, patriotic Americans have a dual loyalty: both to their country and to the ideas it embodies. “He loved his country,” said Lincoln of Henry Clay, “partly because it was his own country, but mostly because it was a free country.” As the English writer G.K. Chesterton said in 1922, America is the only country based on a creed, enshrined in its constitution and declaration of independence. People become American by adopting the creed, regardless of their own place of birth, parentage or language. And you can become un-American—by rejecting the creed. This dual character softens American patriotism. “My country, right or wrong” may be an American phrase (it comes from a toast by Stephen Decatur, an American naval hero), but only one American in two agrees with it, according to the Pew survey. Only two years after September 11th, fewer than half the respondents supported the statement that “We should try to get even with any country that tries to take advantage of the United States.” However, there is one trend in American opinion that should give pause for thought. Republicans have long been slightly more likely than Democrats to say they are intensely patriotic, but the gap has widened dramatically, and is now by far the largest on record. In 2003, 71% of Republicans said they were intensely patriotic, compared with only 48% of Democrats. An even larger gap has opened up in responses to the proposition that “The best way to ensure peace is through military strength.” The number of Democrats who agreed with that sentiment slumped from 55% in 2002 to 44% this year. The intensity gap may well reflect differing attitudes to the war in Iraq, the domestic effects of which will presumably fade with time. But the gap may also be an early indication of a more lasting split: over the passion of loyalty, and what counts as “real” patriotism.American politics has become more partisan, and nastier THE 2000 election was the third dead-heat in a row. In votes for the House of Representatives, the widest margin of victory between 1996 and 2000 was a mere 1.3 percentage points. Essentially, every presidential and House election came out at a dead heat, 49:49. The 2002 mid-term elections brought a change. In House races, Republicans won 51% of the popular vote, Democrats 46%. As Michael Barone, a political journalist, points out, statistically this margin was not significant, but politically it had a big impact. Republicans captured the Senate, the first time the president's party had ever won the upper chamber at this point in the electoral cycle. They gained 141 seats in statehouses, giving Republicans a majority of state legislators for the first time since 1952. The party kept its majority among state governors. In Washington, it controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency. The victory was highly unusual: most mid-term elections punish the incumbent party, especially at times of economic weakness. But does it presage a bigger electoral breakthrough, the beginning of the end of the 50-50 nation? It might. Ever since the New Deal, there have been more registered Democrats than Republicans. In the four years before September 11th, according to the Pew Research Centre, Democrats held a small advantage in party identification (34% of registered voters described themselves as Democrats, 28% as Republicans). But immediately after the terrorist attacks Democratic affiliation dropped sharply, and in the past two years the parties have been roughly balanced. There was a further rise in Republican identification after the Iraq war earlier this year, so at the moment Republicans have an advantage in party identification for only the second time in 75 years (see chart 5). September 11th seems to have been a turning point. But long-term trends were helping Republicans anyway. The defection of the South—America's most populous region—broke up the old Democratic coalition. In 2002, Republicans won the South by an even larger margin than in their landslide victory of 1994. The rise of an investor class (half of Americans own shares) benefits the party, because middle-class shareholders tend to back Republican causes such as privatising Social Security, the federal pensions system. These long-term trends are reinforced by significant temporary gains. The campaign-finance reform of 2002 shifted the balance of advantage towards the party that raises more cash from individuals, which currently means the Republicans. Sophisticated computer software has turned redistricting—the ability of the dominant party in state assemblies to gerrymander district boundaries—from an art into a science. In 2002, Republicans controlled the legislatures of three big states—Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. By amazing coincidence, in Gore-majority districts where Republicans drew new boundaries, their party won 11 more seats than in 2000. Breaking the deadlock So it is not hard to see why Republican strategists think their party may be on the verge of breaking the 50-50 deadlock. Yet, on balance, the evidence is still against the idea that there has been a fundamental shift in electoral politics. The 2002 elections did not break the mould. For incumbents to gain as much as Republicans did last year is unusual but not unprecedented. Democrats also won against the odds in 1998. And as Gary Jacobson of the University of California at San Diego points out, the Republicans' success in 2002 can be largely explained by special factors. At that point, Mr Bush's personal ratings—the highest of any president—ran well ahead of his ratings on the economy. Usually the two do not differ much. That implies that but for the war on terrorism, which buoyed up his overall popularity, Mr Bush would not have been able to shield Republican candidates from economic discontent. This is unlikely to apply in 2004. Mr Bush's popularity also scared off the Democrats, who fielded a particularly feeble bunch of challengers. They have a few more creditable ones now. Usually, incumbent parties lose seats in mid-term elections because congressmen squeak into marginal seats on the coat-tails of a successful president. But Mr Bush had no coat-tails in 2000, so in 2002 Republicans had fewer vulnerable seats to lose. Add in the special impact of redistricting, and most of the Republican success in 2002 can be explained by the party's skills in squeezing the most out of a largely balanced electorate rather than by a fundamental shift in its favour. There was little evidence that voters were less polarised in 2002 than they had been in 1996-2000. Opposites repel In one sense, that does not matter. If Mr Bush hopes a permanent majority is within his grasp, he may well dash ahead with an ambitious agenda. But he may also do that if he fears the partisan divide is too deep to be overcome. If so, his party's current political dominance would be just a window of opportunity, and he should take advantage of it before it closes. But the persistence of a deep electoral division effects how his policies—or any president's policies—are received and carried out. It tempts Mr Bush (or any Republican) to push for more extreme policies, and any Democrat to push for the opposite extreme. The divide also encourages partisan behaviour among voters. This increasing polarisation could turn out to be the most important trend in American politics today. George Wallace, a former governor of Alabama, used to say there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the parties. But polarisation is growing in Congress. Republicans are now twice as likely to toe the party line in the House and Senate as they were in 1975. Democrats are about one-and a half times as likely. Ad hoc “coalitions of the willing” have become much rarer in domestic politics. Partisanship is rife in congressional committees. Heads of committees used at least to pay lip service to the minority party when proposing legislation, but since Newt Gingrich's takeover in 1994, partisan control has by and large been the rule. Committee chairmen now routinely squelch attempts by Democrats to influence legislation, leading to petty squabbling and ill temper. Partisanship is also evident in redistricting, which has increased the number of safe seats towards North Korean levels. In 2004, only 30-40 congressional seats are likely to be truly competitive—a quarter of the number in the 1990s. Since 1964, the share of House incumbents re-elected with over 60% of the vote has risen from 58% to 77%. This makes congressmen's politics more extreme. If your district is rock-solid, you have little reason to fear that voters will kick you out for moving too far from their opinions. The main threat comes from party activists, who tend to be more extreme in their views and can propose a challenger in primary elections. So the dangers of drifting too far to the middle outweigh those of drifting too far to the extremes. Partisan redistricting marginalises centrist voters, aligns the views of candidates more closely with extremists on each side and radicalises politics. Away from Capitol Hill, partisanship has also grown in lobbying. Both parties have tried to control lobbyists, the fourth branch of American government, but Republicans have got better at it than Democrats. Every Tuesday, lobbyists troop to the office of Rick Santorum, the leader of the Senate Republican conference, to talk about hiring Republicans—an ex-chief of staff here, a pollster there. Republicans place their protégés in lobbying firms. The firms raise money for Republican candidates and help get them elected. Legislators then place their protégés in the firms. And so it goes on. Above all, polarisation has grown in the electorate, evidenced by a sharp decline in split-ticket voting (choosing a president from one party and a congressional representative from another). In 1972, 44% of congressmen and women represented a different party from the one whose presidential candidate carried their district. In 2000, the share was under 20%. The truly independent voter seems to be disappearing. That may seem curious, because those who call themselves independents easily outnumber self-identified Democrats or Republicans. Yet most so-called independents vote consistently one way or the other. The White House reckons that less than one-third of independent voters actually switched parties in the past three elections. With the decline of swing voters, there seems less and less point in running presidential campaigns to appeal to the slim middle. Instead, elections have become contests to mobilise core supporters. The 2000 and 2002 elections were both turn-out races. The upshot is that politics has become warfare. What matters most is the size and bloodthirstiness of your troops, not winning over neutrals. Politicians take the first opportunity to reach for weapons of mass destruction, such as Bill Clinton's impeachment or the recall of Governor Gray Davis in California. It is no longer possible to agree to disagree. Your enemies must be “Stupid White Men”, guilty of “Treason”, who live in a world of “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them” (to quote the titles of three of this year's political bestsellers). Increased partisanship has implications for the nature of America's public debate, the country's decentralised political tradition and Mr Bush himself. Politics as warfare is rooted in debates about fundamental issues. Over the past few years, the Republicans have become the “exceptionalist” party by celebrating America's traditional values and stressing qualities that make the country intrinsically different. Call that conservative exceptionalism. In contrast, Democrats are divided. Mainstream Democrats, including members of the Clinton administration, go for the other type of exceptionalism, the city-on-a-hill variety—though Mr Bush claims to espouse that, too. Others—notably Howard Dean and the left—seem to regard exceptionalism of any kind as a bad thing. Still others embrace what might be called liberal exceptionalism, celebrating America's egalitarian, anti-aristocratic heritage. In different ways, all these distinctions are based on values or principles. Steamrollering the enemy In contrast, winning at all costs is not, or not necessarily. Take the 2002 Senate election in Georgia, one of the nastiest campaigns of recent memory. The Democrat, Max Cleland, who had lost three limbs in Vietnam, was demonised as soft on Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. The culture of victory may supersede arguments about values and substance because conquest becomes imperative. America's political system is decentralised, with proud, distinctive traditions at state level, and national parties that used to be loose coalitions of diverse groups which banded together to win power. Partisanship, on the other hand, is a centralising force that encourages uniformity. America's distinctive political traditions have been tested before, and survived. In the early part of the 20th century, a time of just as much partisanship in voting and in politicians' behaviour, America did not move towards the party-dominated political systems familiar in Europe. But there was less ideological coherence then, and no television or national media groups to reinforce a consistent message. Now localism is weaker. And, at least on the Republican side, it faces a national organisation more disciplined, more firmly under the control of the White House, more fiercely loyal to the president—and more prepared to throw its weight around. In the 2002 elections, the White House intervened to persuade local parties in Minnesota, South Dakota and Georgia to change their senatorial candidate. The White House's choice won in two of the three states against the odds. This does not mean that party structures themselves have strengthened. In fact, in terms of raising money they are weaker than they have been throughout most of American history. But the parties are ideologically more distinct. And within the parties, politicians are more partisan and less diverse in their backgrounds. As for Mr Bush himself, he has proved a polarising president, better at solidifying the Republican base than at extending it. Two years after September 2001, his own party's approval of him stood at over 80%, but Democratic approval had fallen below 20%. This stunning gap marks Mr Bush as even more divisive than Bill Clinton, who suffered just as much from Republicans' hostility as Mr Bush does from Democrats'. But whereas Mr Clinton's policies were more popular than he was, with Mr Bush it is the other way around. His ratings on the economy and tax cuts are lower than his overall approval levels. The next section explains why. How “exceptional” is George Bush? FOR a moment, it seemed that the attacks of September 11th 2001 had created a new opportunity for political leadership. The mayor of New York, Rudolph Giuliani, transformed himself overnight from an effective, if cantankerous, administrator into a symbol of the resilient city. Mr Bush might have emulated him. Americans rallied round the president after the terrorist attacks. His speeches at the time expressed the mood of national determination. His stature as commander-in-chief grew. Yet Mr Bush made no real attempt to unify the nation behind a domestic cause. He made no call for sacrifice, as Franklin Roosevelt had done after Pearl Harbour. Asked what people could do for the nation at a time of crisis, Mr Bush replied: Go back to normal. Go shopping. This could perhaps be regarded as a failure of the president's imagination. But there is another reason. President Bush says he wants to promote America's universal values. In that sense, he is a city-on-the-hill exceptionalist. He also claimed during the 2000 election campaign that he would be “a uniter, not a divider”. But his political personality is too complicated for either claim to be wholly convincing. There are two George Bushes. One is ideological, divisive, willing to tear up the rule book and push strongly conservative policies. This is the Bush loved by Republicans, loathed by Democrats (see chart 6). The other is more incremental and sometimes more bipartisan. Yet even this Bush, who might appeal to the middle, is also surprisingly audacious. His audacity causes wariness among voters who are not strongly inclined for or against him. Big-government conservatism Foreign policy shows Mr Bush in rule-book-destroying mode. He has rejected the cornerstone of cold-war diplomacy, the doctrine of containment, and is unwilling to treat states as legitimate merely because they are internationally recognised or stable. This puts him at odds not only with European, but with cold-war traditions of American diplomacy. In some areas of domestic policy, Mr Bush has been almost as far-reaching. The best example is tax. As Bill Galston of the University of Maryland puts it, “Ronald Reagan thought government was the problem. George Bush thinks tax is the problem.” Mr Bush is in fact more radical, or more determined, than his Republican predecessor. Mr Reagan cut taxes in his first year but increased them later in the face of widening budget deficits. Mr Bush cut them in each of his first three years, despite the prospect, by the third year, of deficits as far as the eye can see. This year, total federal revenues stood at 17% of GDP, the lowest level since 1959, which was long before Medicare, Medicaid, federal education programmes and today's defence build-up. Mr Bush's tax policy is consistent with the “exceptionalist” view that, in a twist on Thomas Jefferson's words, “the government that governs best, taxes least.” It has heightened differences in the tax burden between the two sides of the Atlantic. What about the other George Bush? This is the one who created the biggest new bureaucracy since Harry Truman: the Department of Homeland Security. This is the Bush who has pushed the powers of the federal government into education, hitherto a state preserve, by requiring annual testing of students and raising federal spending to supervise those tests. It is the one who has allowed the Justice Department to detain suspected terrorists for longer periods and with less judicial review. This is the Bush who is trying to set up a national energy policy to reduce dependence on foreign oil; who slapped protectionist barriers on steel; who signed a farm bill costing $180 billion over ten years; who set up a White House office to promote marriage (surely the last thing a conservative government should be poking its nose into). And this is the one urging Congress to expand state health care for the elderly to cover some of the costs of prescription drugs—an action President Clinton's Medicare adviser says would be “the biggest expansion of government health benefits since the Great Society.” In all, the Bush administration in its first three years increased government spending by 21%. It will rise even higher if the president wins a second term and fulfils his promise to reform Social...

...all in all a pretty quiet summer, really.

Sorry, sungam. My rule is no story shorter than my penor.

^^^INRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rats, foiled again...


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I will go get a shop vac and suck that little fucker right out of her ass
Um, I've been off on vacation for a couple weeks, so maybe I missed it. But how did that work out for you?
Looks like I gots about 40 pages to catch up on.
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sungam wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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I will go get a shop vac and suck that little fucker right out of her ass
Um, I've been off on vacation for a couple weeks, so maybe I missed it. But how did that work out for you?
Looks like I gots about 40 pages to catch up on.
Woa
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I have 20 and am putting my foot down. I don't know what that will mean, but I'm doing it.
Strong.


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I at dinner at a friends house last night and afterwards we were sitting around talking shit and this show "hoarders" was on. Those people are fucking intense!


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I at dinner at a friends house last night and afterwards we were sitting around talking shit and this show "hoarders" was on. Those people are fucking intense!

I think it's one of those "if you've seen one, you've seen them all type shows", so if you've seen an episode, you know what I'm talking about.

FUCK


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PSA for today^


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PTFTW today


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Forgot the word "for"^


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Forgot the word "for"^

Thank you Capitan Obvious


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Forgot the word "for"^

Thank you Capitan Obvious

F you dude


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PTFTW today

And they let you out of the second grade??


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PTFTW today

And they let you out of the second grade??

Thats wierd because clearly you can't count.

And just as clearly, this is the PTFTW


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If I cared, that would be embarrassing.


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I at dinner at a friends house last night and afterwards we were sitting around talking shit and this show "hoarders" was on. Those people are fucking intense!

I think it's one of those "if you've seen one, you've seen them all type shows", so if you've seen an episode, you know what I'm talking about.

FUCK

Yeah, I've seen that show a couple of times... it truly is AMAZING how people can't see the shit that's constantly piling up around them.

Everyone has some kind of "I'll keep that piece of crap for a while till I need it" syndrome... some form of materialism... but when it gets to the level displayed by these people, I'm sure due to a link with past mental trauma, I just can't visualize how it's possible. I mean, I get to a point where I know things are messy and I gotta clean it up... this type of domestic blindness is stronger in me than my wife's though. Heh! Must be a boy/girl thing.


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PTFTW today

And they let you out of the second grade??

Nope... they let you out of the looney bin!


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As penance, I offer you an oldy but a goody...





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Lazlo wrote:
sungam wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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I will go get a shop vac and suck that little fucker right out of her ass
Um, I've been off on vacation for a couple weeks, so maybe I missed it. But how did that work out for you?
Looks like I gots about 40 pages to catch up on.
Woa
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I have 20 and am putting my foot down. I don't know what that will mean, but I'm doing it.
In other news I saw your freinds pictures on stalkbook of there climb/traverse, Mt Sill et al.
Good job on their end. Very stout climb, no doubt.


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PTFTW today

And they let you out of the second grade??

Nope... they let you out of the looney bin!

Apparently.

+1


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I at dinner at a friends house last night and afterwards we were sitting around talking shit and this show "hoarders" was on. Those people are fucking intense!

I think it's one of those "if you've seen one, you've seen them all type shows", so if you've seen an episode, you know what I'm talking about.

FUCK

Yeah, I've seen that show a couple of times... it truly is AMAZING how people can't see the shit that's constantly piling up around them.

Everyone has some kind of "I'll keep that piece of crap for a while till I need it" syndrome... some form of materialism... but when it gets to the level displayed by these people, I'm sure due to a link with past mental trauma, I just can't visualize how it's possible. I mean, I get to a point where I know things are messy and I gotta clean it up... this type of domestic blindness is stronger in me than my wife's though. Heh! Must be a boy/girl thing.

Same goes for the morbidly obese... I'm able to say to myself. "Whoah girl, time to cut back on those cheeseburgers before you start to look like one!" Not everyone else can make that distinction.


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Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!




heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.


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Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!



[image]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/allwashedup/Ballcuppingatwoodson1.jpg[/image]

heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.


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sungam wrote:
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Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!




heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.

Yea, that's kinda what I wus trying to say...

butt more importantly, Why you has to cheesetit teh Ball Cupping Shirt? Why?


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.


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I'm excited about The Town coming out this weekend.

Hell, even Ben's performance is getting good reviews. It would appear we have entered some alternative universe but I'm stoked none the less!


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I'm excited about The Town coming out this weekend.

Hell, even Ben's performance is getting good reviews. It would appear we have entered some alternative universe but I'm stoked none the less!

Woo!!

Heist/Crime Drama = favorite genre


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I'm excited about The Town coming out this weekend.

Hell, even Ben's performance is getting good reviews. It would appear we have entered some alternative universe but I'm stoked none the less!

Woo!!

Heist/Crime Drama = favorite genre

One reviewer said it's as if Heat and The Departed had a baby and it's name was The Town.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

Spike is getting patchouli stink all over the back seat as we speak!


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

Spike is getting patchouli stink all over the back seat as we speak!

Hippie chicks love the high MPG!


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!


And why no ++


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As penance, I offer you an oldy but a goody...



Sadly, she has some of that build here lately. One of the few times that slimming down actually hurt someones sexappeal.


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As penance, I offer you an oldy but a goody...


[image]http://www.losethetummy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/jessica-biel-bikini.jpg[/image]

Sadly, she has lost some of that build here lately. One of the few times that slimming down actually hurt someones sexappeal.

Fixed


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I will go get a shop vac and suck that little fucker right out of her ass
Um, I've been off on vacation for a couple weeks, so maybe I missed it. But how did that work out for you?
Looks like I gots about 40 pages to catch up on.
Woa
Devil

I have 20 and am putting my foot down. I don't know what that will mean, but I'm doing it.
In other news I saw your freinds pictures on stalkbook of there climb/traverse, Mt Sill et al.
Good job on their end. Very stout climb, no doubt.

I was talking to a friend about this earlier tonight and decided that I'm going to have to suck it up and join the Stalkbook. I never had any use for it or Facespace before so I could justify staying away but between this^^ and the fact that the new guys use it to flesh out the climbing plans, which I only find out about last minute due to me being so far behind the times with just having the cellphone and all Crazy, it might actually serve a purpose now.

Jennifers take is that I'm just a crotchety old man; made all the worse by me hanging out the college kids here lately. She seemed to find it all rather amusing.


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I at dinner at a friends house last night and afterwards we were sitting around talking shit and this show "hoarders" was on. Those people are fucking intense!

I think it's one of those "if you've seen one, you've seen them all type shows", so if you've seen an episode, you know what I'm talking about.

FUCK

Yeah, I've seen that show a couple of times... it truly is AMAZING how people can't see the shit that's constantly piling up around them.

Everyone has some kind of "I'll keep that piece of crap for a while till I need it" syndrome... some form of materialism... but when it gets to the level displayed by these people, I'm sure due to a link with past mental trauma, I just can't visualize how it's possible. I mean, I get to a point where I know things are messy and I gotta clean it up... this type of domestic blindness is stronger in me than my wife's though. Heh! Must be a boy/girl thing.

It's so crazy to see them literally look right past bags of trash and animal shit and talk about the "valuable" things they have saved up over the years. And with a perfectly straight face too.

The human mind is a strange and power thing. When it turns on itself, things can go very wrong, very fast.


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PTFTW today

And they let you out of the second grade??

Nope... they let you out of the looney bin!

I'll fuck your mother before I let them put me back in that place!


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PTFTW today

And they let you out of the second grade??

Nope... they let you out of the looney bin!

I'll fuck your mother before I let them put me back in that place!

Wait, what?


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Kartessa wrote:
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I at dinner at a friends house last night and afterwards we were sitting around talking shit and this show "hoarders" was on. Those people are fucking intense!

I think it's one of those "if you've seen one, you've seen them all type shows", so if you've seen an episode, you know what I'm talking about.

FUCK

Yeah, I've seen that show a couple of times... it truly is AMAZING how people can't see the shit that's constantly piling up around them.

Everyone has some kind of "I'll keep that piece of crap for a while till I need it" syndrome... some form of materialism... but when it gets to the level displayed by these people, I'm sure due to a link with past mental trauma, I just can't visualize how it's possible. I mean, I get to a point where I know things are messy and I gotta clean it up... this type of domestic blindness is stronger in me than my wife's though. Heh! Must be a boy/girl thing.

Same goes for the morbidly obese... I'm able to say to myself. "Whoah girl, time to cut back on those cheeseburgers before you start to look like one!" Not everyone else can make that distinction.

Kartessa...Thick in all the right places?


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Google search for "thick" returns...

















































Wait for it...









































































Here it comes...











































WTF!!!




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Watched The American last Friday.

It was rather good, well paced and beautiful to look at. Had some flaws but relative to 99% everything else that has come out this year, it was money well spent.


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Might have to revive the movie thread in anticipation of The Tree of Life.

I sure am glad old Malick isn't making us wait 30 years between movies these days.Smile


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Might have to revive the movie thread in anticipation of The Tree of Life.

I sure am glad old Malick isn't making us wait 30 years between movies these days.Smile

Usual bullshit surrounding the release date though. I've got my fingers crossed for Christmas 2010.


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zeke_sf wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
sungam wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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Finally... a slightly warmer day without rain and my partner is making us late.

Seriously!? Who showers BEFORE heading to the crag?!

Now he's gotta brush his teeth...

Oh... oh.... and pack his shit... FUCK!
spending more time cleaning up then packing? GAGGING.

Sounds kind of Metro if you ask me.

Gag indeed.

I like my men...well, manly.

Otherwise, the whole "man" bit kind of comes in to question.

Of course, I did see a flamin ass queer beat the shit out of a frat boy one time so maybe not so much!

It was awesome BTW.

Too bad no one had a video camera.

Oh the POSTERITY!
I wudda paid to see that.

Kinky??

Hmm, no more like turn about is fair play.
I take it the frat boys were looking to roll the queer and got his hat handed to him instead.

Really it was normal drunkin shit talking on a street lined with bars. Frat boy started things with the typical "fag" comment and then flicked a fag at the "fag" and then all hell broke loose. Frat boy definitely underestimated his adversary, thats for sure.

I'm serious about gays being the most manly of men. Me, when I wrassle around, it's with my girl. Gay guys? They manhandle other men, none of this weaker sex shit for them.

In some ways your right and your wrestling analogy is funny in a timely kind of way. A really good friend of mine recently stumbled on to a "hook up" site of sorts where they guys all like to wrestle.

Some of them are really in to the wrestling part too, they've got the uniforms and head gear and all that. For some the wrestling is as much an athletic pursuit as it is an erotic one, which of course it is as well. Kind of a strange fetish but it makes sense in some ways, physiologically at least.

Hmmm... reminds me of my brief stint as a highschool wrestler. For the starting stance, the coach always admonished us to "put your dick in their pocket!"

It seems an efficient, fair-minded way to determine the catcher and pitcher as well.

And just when you thought showering after practice couldn't get more awkward...coach plants that little seed.


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donald949 wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
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In other news we were in Tahoe camping for the last two weeks.

The wife really liked it.
Nice mountain scenery.
beautiful lake
good hiking.
Plus good skiing and climbing.
Of course I like the area too.
In related news, I got written up for missing training while I was out of town on vacation. Apparently someone enrolled me in a class and didn't tell me about it.

Sabotage!

Well I wouldn't go that far.
They set up a bunch of us, including a manager. If he wasn't such a nice guy he would have ripped someone's head off.

Sounds like someone needs to be retrained on Outlook and it's many useful features.
What are you kidding me. Why would we use something so straight forward as that.
Bah.
We have a much more convoluted system. Works like a chump.

FYL


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donald949 wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
sungam wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Finally... a slightly warmer day without rain and my partner is making us late.

Seriously!? Who showers BEFORE heading to the crag?!

Now he's gotta brush his teeth...

Oh... oh.... and pack his shit... FUCK!
spending more time cleaning up then packing? GAGGING.

I live almost an hour away from him. If I call him and say "I'm on my way" an hour and a half ahead, I have every right to bitch and moan that he's not ready to go when I get there.
Seriously
Pack the night before.
Shower later.
This is not rocket science people.
There is so many hours a day to climb, and too few days free to climb. Make them count.

Wisdom in the form of words found here^^
Wrought from years of pain extracting minutes for climbing.

Speaking of which, the weather is cooling down. Got any plans?

If Burnz actually comes down this way, I'm going to take 4-5 days and head to the NRG and then I'm supposed to go back for 7 days around Thanksgiving break but those are the only long trips planned right now. I'm just going to squeeze in as many weekends as possible between those trips.

Nothing firm yet. (Insert sexual comment here)
We're headed to San Diego for the night Sat (tommarrow) for a little work thing. Just got back from 2 weeks camping, had a 4 day climbing trip which involved more driving than climbing, plus two week long business trips this summer.
I'm thinking of headed to the local crag soon. As it has been very cool this summer. The wife would like to go to Josh Thanksgiving weekend with my Brother's family. But I going to start working rotating shifts in a month. So some coordination of schedules and plans are in order.

Yeah those shift changes are going to wreak havoc. At least you could take advantage of the nice summer weather while it was around.


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epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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Okay, so her climbing partner lykes hur, rite? Then he's all showerin' and polishing the kisser before their "date". He wuntz it bad.

While it is *that* partner... He's not doing that for me.

I'm so deep in the "Friend Zone", I aint ever gonna get any.
Poor u. Bacardi 151 and a hour later.
Boom hes out and your bangin away.
Thats how my wifey gots pregers.
I was raped, Fuck. now my climbing season is on Ice.
and no I am not climbing ice.

Yeah, the "friend" zone. That only exists for guys. A tip for Kartessa: an overnighter + alcohol + sexual tension = tent secks. It's a simple proven formula.

No no, I am in the "Friend Zone". Ice cream, breakup stories and all.

I've tried your formula a couple of times too, even had a sleepover at his place in his bed after lots of liquor and he didnt touch me once Frown

I'll do what you guys do, wait it out and hope that one day he sees the light. Til then, I'll abuse the shit out of him as a belayer.

He has herpes.

Could be... I just thought he was gay.
Maybe he saw the subtitle to this...?
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...tection__114624.html

Where the fuck did you come from??

[image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/9/457289-work-Dina_with_Tank.jpg[/image]

Just to imbed the picture.
Cool

I think Kartessa would prefer you "in bed" her, rather than embed her.

I'm starting to think her brand of troll is rather clever and well suited to this sites "audience". It sure is getting a lot of milage.

Well done K.
We love it.
Just look at all the post this thread has gotten in the last week. Even dragging the lurkers out of the shadows.

Thanks, I think...
<lurkercreeper

accuracy^


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epoch wrote:
donald949 wrote:
epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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Okay, so her climbing partner lykes hur, rite? Then he's all showerin' and polishing the kisser before their "date". He wuntz it bad.

While it is *that* partner... He's not doing that for me.

I'm so deep in the "Friend Zone", I aint ever gonna get any.
Poor u. Bacardi 151 and a hour later.
Boom hes out and your bangin away.
Thats how my wifey gots pregers.
I was raped, Fuck. now my climbing season is on Ice.
and no I am not climbing ice.

Yeah, the "friend" zone. That only exists for guys. A tip for Kartessa: an overnighter + alcohol + sexual tension = tent secks. It's a simple proven formula.

No no, I am in the "Friend Zone". Ice cream, breakup stories and all.

I've tried your formula a couple of times too, even had a sleepover at his place in his bed after lots of liquor and he didnt touch me once Frown

I'll do what you guys do, wait it out and hope that one day he sees the light. Til then, I'll abuse the shit out of him as a belayer.

He has herpes.

Could be... I just thought he was gay.
Maybe he saw the subtitle to this...?
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...tection__114624.html

Where the fuck did you come from??

[image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/9/457289-work-Dina_with_Tank.jpg[/image]

Just to imbed the picture.
Cool

I think Kartessa would prefer you "in bed" her, rather than embed her.

I'm starting to think her brand of troll is rather clever and well suited to this sites "audience". It sure is getting a lot of milage.

Well done K.
We love it.
Just look at all the post this thread has gotten in the last week. Even dragging the lurkers out of the shadows.

Thanks, I think...
<lurker
We knew you've been watching...
Yes, though maybe not for the reason you've been thinking of.

Like I said...


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sungam wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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Okay, so her climbing partner lykes hur, rite? Then he's all showerin' and polishing the kisser before their "date". He wuntz it bad.

While it is *that* partner... He's not doing that for me.

I'm so deep in the "Friend Zone", I aint ever gonna get any.
Poor u. Bacardi 151 and a hour later.
Boom hes out and your bangin away.
Thats how my wifey gots pregers.
I was raped, Fuck. now my climbing season is on Ice.
and no I am not climbing ice.

Yeah, the "friend" zone. That only exists for guys. A tip for Kartessa: an overnighter + alcohol + sexual tension = tent secks. It's a simple proven formula.

No no, I am in the "Friend Zone". Ice cream, breakup stories and all.

I've tried your formula a couple of times too, even had a sleepover at his place in his bed after lots of liquor and he didnt touch me once Frown

I'll do what you guys do, wait it out and hope that one day he sees the light. Til then, I'll abuse the shit out of him as a belayer.

He has herpes.

Could be... I just thought he was gay.
Maybe he saw the subtitle to this...?
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...tection__114624.html

Where the fuck did you come from??

[image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/9/457289-work-Dina_with_Tank.jpg[/image]

Just to imbed the picture.
Cool

I think Kartessa would prefer you "in bed" her, rather than embed her.

I'm starting to think her brand of troll is rather clever and well suited to this sites "audience". It sure is getting a lot of milage.

Well done K.
We love it.
Just look at all the post this thread has gotten in the last week. Even dragging the lurkers out of the shadows.

Thanks, I think...
<lurker
We knew you've been watching...
Yes, though maybe not for the reason you've been thinking of.
You want me to post as bearbreeder so you can smack me with the BANZHAMMER again?

Yes please.


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Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.

Might I propose a threesome.

Climbing trip of course.


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Oh shit!

The Marksman just came on. I have no idea what it's about but it looks like a cross between Sniper and Universal Soldier with the soundtrack from Top Gun.

This could be epic...


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Kartessa wrote:
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Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.
Remember a woman AWAYS swallows.

Maybe you should tell YOUR woman that!

You could be cragging instead of babysitting.

ZING!

And I predict "throat baby" responses.


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subantz wrote:
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Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.
Remember a woman AWAYS swallows.

Maybe you should tell YOUR woman that!

You could be cragging instead of babysitting.
I made a throat baby.

!!!


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Well, back to Edinburgh tomorrow to start school again, I guess. I ticked off exactly 0 climbing goals on what has to be called my shittest climbing summer ever. Got a fair bit of road biking in, but mostly did fuck all. Kinda frustrated about that now but whatever.
How was everyone else's summer, in short? When I say "in short" I'm looking at YOU, Greg. I'm not in the mood for articles right now.

Post acknowledged. Will respond later.


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Summer Rocks!

Took a month of "Mental Stress Leave" and then quit my job when I got back so I managed to do 20+ days at rattlesnake point, 10 days at mt nemo, 2 trips to the Glen, 2 to Metcalfe, 2 to Jordan Harbour, and one 3-day excursion to the New.

Would have gone out more but alas, having a kiddo takes time and money too Smile

Good thing I dont gots a man or I would have spent the summer doing things he liked instead of what's really important.

Not bad at all. You got quite a bit more done than all of my friends with kids put together.


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Lazlo wrote:
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I will go get a shop vac and suck that little fucker right out of her ass
Um, I've been off on vacation for a couple weeks, so maybe I missed it. But how did that work out for you?
Looks like I gots about 40 pages to catch up on.
Woa
Devil

I have 20 and am putting my foot down. I don't know what that will mean, but I'm doing it.

I have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm not really sure you do either, but I wish you luck with that.


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I'm excited about The Town coming out this weekend.

Hell, even Ben's performance is getting good reviews. It would appear we have entered some alternative universe but I'm stoked none the less!

Affleck has the chops!


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

Shouldn't matter at all if you can get it anytime...


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notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Lazlo wrote:
sungam wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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I will go get a shop vac and suck that little fucker right out of her ass
Um, I've been off on vacation for a couple weeks, so maybe I missed it. But how did that work out for you?
Looks like I gots about 40 pages to catch up on.
Woa
Devil

I have 20 and am putting my foot down. I don't know what that will mean, but I'm doing it.
In other news I saw your freinds pictures on stalkbook of there climb/traverse, Mt Sill et al.
Good job on their end. Very stout climb, no doubt.

I was talking to a friend about this earlier tonight and decided that I'm going to have to suck it up and join the Stalkbook. I never had any use for it or Facespace before so I could justify staying away but between this^^ and the fact that the new guys use it to flesh out the climbing plans, which I only find out about last minute due to me being so far behind the times with just having the cellphone and all Crazy, it might actually serve a purpose now.

Jennifers take is that I'm just a crotchety old man; made all the worse by me hanging out the college kids here lately. She seemed to find it all rather amusing.

I ended up joining late last year because most of my family back downunder weren't communicating anymore... well, I found out they still were, but on Stalkbook... so in an effort to "stay in touch" I had to move on or be forgotten in time...


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I at dinner at a friends house last night and afterwards we were sitting around talking shit and this show "hoarders" was on. Those people are fucking intense!

I think it's one of those "if you've seen one, you've seen them all type shows", so if you've seen an episode, you know what I'm talking about.

FUCK

Yeah, I've seen that show a couple of times... it truly is AMAZING how people can't see the shit that's constantly piling up around them.

Everyone has some kind of "I'll keep that piece of crap for a while till I need it" syndrome... some form of materialism... but when it gets to the level displayed by these people, I'm sure due to a link with past mental trauma, I just can't visualize how it's possible. I mean, I get to a point where I know things are messy and I gotta clean it up... this type of domestic blindness is stronger in me than my wife's though. Heh! Must be a boy/girl thing.

It's so crazy to see them literally look right past bags of trash and animal shit and talk about the "valuable" things they have saved up over the years. And with a perfectly straight face too.

The human mind is a strange and power thing. When it turns on itself, things can go very wrong, very fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VbI5zcB8Ac

And in reality... the don't need any of it!


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PTFTW today

And they let you out of the second grade??

Nope... they let you out of the looney bin!

I'll fuck your mother before I let them put me back in that place!

Well... that would confirm my assumption... my mother is no longer with us...


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Oh shit!

The Marksman just came on. I have no idea what it's about but it looks like a cross between Sniper and Universal Soldier with the soundtrack from Top Gun.

This could be epic...

Spy Game?


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!


I'm gonna guess Subantz... Dood, howz yer banz going?


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.


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Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.
Remember a woman AWAYS swallows.

Maybe you should tell YOUR woman that!

You could be cragging instead of babysitting.

ZING!

And I predict "throat baby" responses.


Very nicely done.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush


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I at dinner at a friends house last night and afterwards we were sitting around talking shit and this show "hoarders" was on. Those people are fucking intense!

I think it's one of those "if you've seen one, you've seen them all type shows", so if you've seen an episode, you know what I'm talking about.

FUCK

Yeah, I've seen that show a couple of times... it truly is AMAZING how people can't see the shit that's constantly piling up around them.

Everyone has some kind of "I'll keep that piece of crap for a while till I need it" syndrome... some form of materialism... but when it gets to the level displayed by these people, I'm sure due to a link with past mental trauma, I just can't visualize how it's possible. I mean, I get to a point where I know things are messy and I gotta clean it up... this type of domestic blindness is stronger in me than my wife's though. Heh! Must be a boy/girl thing.

Same goes for the morbidly obese... I'm able to say to myself. "Whoah girl, time to cut back on those cheeseburgers before you start to look like one!" Not everyone else can make that distinction.

Kartessa...Thick in all the right places?

nOObs, see below for context and because...well, shes just so DAMN SEXY!




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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.


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donald949 wrote:
Lazlo wrote:
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I will go get a shop vac and suck that little fucker right out of her ass
Um, I've been off on vacation for a couple weeks, so maybe I missed it. But how did that work out for you?
Looks like I gots about 40 pages to catch up on.
Woa
Devil

I have 20 and am putting my foot down. I don't know what that will mean, but I'm doing it.
In other news I saw your freinds pictures on stalkbook of there climb/traverse, Mt Sill et al.
Good job on their end. Very stout climb, no doubt.

I was talking to a friend about this earlier tonight and decided that I'm going to have to suck it up and join the Stalkbook. I never had any use for it or Facespace before so I could justify staying away but between this^^ and the fact that the new guys use it to flesh out the climbing plans, which I only find out about last minute due to me being so far behind the times with just having the cellphone and all Crazy, it might actually serve a purpose now.

Jennifers take is that I'm just a crotchety old man; made all the worse by me hanging out the college kids here lately. She seemed to find it all rather amusing.

I ended up joining late last year because most of my family back downunder weren't communicating anymore... well, I found out they still were, but on Stalkbook... so in an effort to "stay in touch" I had to move on or be forgotten in time...

Yeah, thats pretty much me. Except I don't care about keeping in touch, I just want to see all the shweet climbing pics.


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PTFTW today

And they let you out of the second grade??

Nope... they let you out of the looney bin!

I'll fuck your mother before I let them put me back in that place!

Well... that would confirm my assumption... my mother is no longer with us...

I've noticed the older I get, the more of a gamble "your mom" jokes become. Unimpressed


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Kartessa wrote:
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I at dinner at a friends house last night and afterwards we were sitting around talking shit and this show "hoarders" was on. Those people are fucking intense!

I think it's one of those "if you've seen one, you've seen them all type shows", so if you've seen an episode, you know what I'm talking about.

FUCK

Yeah, I've seen that show a couple of times... it truly is AMAZING how people can't see the shit that's constantly piling up around them.

Everyone has some kind of "I'll keep that piece of crap for a while till I need it" syndrome... some form of materialism... but when it gets to the level displayed by these people, I'm sure due to a link with past mental trauma, I just can't visualize how it's possible. I mean, I get to a point where I know things are messy and I gotta clean it up... this type of domestic blindness is stronger in me than my wife's though. Heh! Must be a boy/girl thing.

Same goes for the morbidly obese... I'm able to say to myself. "Whoah girl, time to cut back on those cheeseburgers before you start to look like one!" Not everyone else can make that distinction.

Kartessa...Thick in all the right places?

nOObs, see below for context and because...well, shes just so DAMN SEXY!



That's so sweet.


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Oh shit!

The Marksman just came on. I have no idea what it's about but it looks like a cross between Sniper and Universal Soldier with the soundtrack from Top Gun.

This could be epic...

Spy Game?

saywhatnow


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!


I'm gonna guess Subantz... Dood, howz yer banz going?

Did they finally ban him?

*crosses fingers*


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notapplicable wrote:
kachoong wrote:
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PTFTW today

And they let you out of the second grade??

Nope... they let you out of the looney bin!

I'll fuck your mother before I let them put me back in that place!

Well... that would confirm my assumption... my mother is no longer with us...

I've noticed the older I get, the more of a gamble "your mom" jokes become. Unimpressed

That's alright... her ashes are scattered at sea... I still found myself chuckle at the thawt of you wet humping the ocean! Hah!


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notapplicable wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!


I'm gonna guess Subantz... Dood, howz yer banz going?

Did they finally ban him?

*crosses fingers*

Yeppers! After his big "Fuck you Modz" rampage in General on Monday.

Apparently he can still post though...
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...rum.cgi?post=2391166


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I prefer AdultFriendFinder Laugh


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Kartessa wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
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I at dinner at a friends house last night and afterwards we were sitting around talking shit and this show "hoarders" was on. Those people are fucking intense!

I think it's one of those "if you've seen one, you've seen them all type shows", so if you've seen an episode, you know what I'm talking about.

FUCK

Yeah, I've seen that show a couple of times... it truly is AMAZING how people can't see the shit that's constantly piling up around them.

Everyone has some kind of "I'll keep that piece of crap for a while till I need it" syndrome... some form of materialism... but when it gets to the level displayed by these people, I'm sure due to a link with past mental trauma, I just can't visualize how it's possible. I mean, I get to a point where I know things are messy and I gotta clean it up... this type of domestic blindness is stronger in me than my wife's though. Heh! Must be a boy/girl thing.

Same goes for the morbidly obese... I'm able to say to myself. "Whoah girl, time to cut back on those cheeseburgers before you start to look like one!" Not everyone else can make that distinction.

Kartessa...Thick in all the right places?

nOObs, see below for context and because...well, shes just so DAMN SEXY!



That's so sweet.

Classic Sty!

And this placed did have a good run on threads dedicated to the deliciousness of the human form a year or so ago. Things have been pretty calm here lately though, other than the "give us this day, our daily..." threads.

Might be time for a return to the old days of lust and envy!


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kachoong wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
kachoong wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
PTFTW today

And they let you out of the second grade??

Nope... they let you out of the looney bin!

I'll fuck your mother before I let them put me back in that place!

Well... that would confirm my assumption... my mother is no longer with us...

I've noticed the older I get, the more of a gamble "your mom" jokes become. Unimpressed

That's alright... her ashes are scattered at sea... I still found myself chuckle at the thawt of you wet humping the ocean! Hah!

No good, no good at all. I'm afraid of being naked in the ocean.


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notapplicable wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I prefer AdultFriendFinder Laugh

Oh, well then you've come to the right place.


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

And once I find a sucker to take me... AshleyMadison.com


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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

And once I find a sucker to take me... AshleyMadison.com

INTTIMBAW


Kartessa


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Kartessa wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

And once I find a sucker to take me... AshleyMadison.com

INTTIMBAW

Ok, enough is enough! I'm trying to "get" this place but I'm stuck on PTFTW and now INTTIMBAW. OG BET is lost on me, but if any of you could be so kind as to explain these FUBAR acronyms, I'd love you long time.


spikeddem


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

And once I find a sucker to take me... AshleyMadison.com

INTTIMBAW

Ok, enough is enough! I'm trying to "get" this place but I'm stuck on PTFTW and now INTTIMBAW. OG BET is lost on me, but if any of you could be so kind as to explain these FUBAR acronyms, I'd love you long time.

PTFTW is dumb, don't worry about it. Cool

INTTIMBAW, I just made up. Im not typing that in my browser at work. Any acronym starting with IN will likely be "I'm not . . . " followed by something related to that post.


zeke_sf


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Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.

Might I propose a threesome.

Climbing trip of course.

Bravo, sir.


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subantz wrote:
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Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.
Remember a woman AWAYS swallows.

Maybe you should tell YOUR woman that!

You could be cragging instead of babysitting.
I made a throat baby.

!!!

Uncanny.


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subantz wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
subantz wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Might as well get some pc+ and share that I had a date last night... mediocre belay though.
Remember a woman AWAYS swallows.

Maybe you should tell YOUR woman that!

You could be cragging instead of babysitting.
I made a throat baby.

!!!

Uncanny.

That's what I do when I want to enjoy some peaches or pears Pirate


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Summer Rocks!

Took a month of "Mental Stress Leave" and then quit my job when I got back so I managed to do 20+ days at rattlesnake point, 10 days at mt nemo, 2 trips to the Glen, 2 to Metcalfe, 2 to Jordan Harbour, and one 3-day excursion to the New.

Would have gone out more but alas, having a kiddo takes time and money too Smile

Good thing I dont gots a man or I would have spent the summer doing things he liked instead of what's really important.

Not bad at all. You got quite a bit more done than all of my friends with kids put together.

Yeah, my roadie days were last year, so I haven't gotten that kind of mileage either. I got a bit of climbing done this summer though. I'm heading out for a bit of that soloing they do with the top ropes (not a free soloist ovah heah) since I can't find any fuckers that climb during the week.


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?


zeke_sf


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notapplicable wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!


I'm gonna guess Subantz... Dood, howz yer banz going?

Did they finally ban him?

*crosses fingers*

Somebody pulled on his e-peen and his ejaculate gave them throat babies.


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zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

Oh jeez, I didn't even notice the dirty until you pointed it out with your last sentence!


zeke_sf


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spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

Oh jeez, I didn't even notice the dirty until you pointed it out with your last sentence!

It was pretty subtle alright.


spikeddem


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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.


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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Reminds me of that scene in Kingpin, it does.


donald949


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tripperjm wrote:
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Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!




heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.

Yea, that's kinda what I wus trying to say...

butt more importantly, Why you has to cheesetit teh Ball Cupping Shirt? Why?

OK now this is even funnier. Turns out the random ball cupping shirt is actuall Jack's.
Small world.


donald949


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

Spike is getting patchouli stink all over the back seat as we speak!

Good job spike!!!!!!!!!won eleventy one


donald949


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!

He's here to start up a bolt war arguement.
He doesn't know we don't climb, let alone talk about climbing, much less argue bolting ethics.


Kartessa


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

How far of a drive is that from Toronto?


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As penance, I offer you an oldy but a goody...


[image]http://www.losethetummy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/jessica-biel-bikini.jpg[/image]

Sadly, she has lost some of that build here lately. One of the few times that slimming down actually hurt someones sexappeal.

Fixed
OK the fix makes more sense.
Then I read the link. "Lose the tummy" They're kidding right? Starting to get a little picky if you axe me.


zeke_sf


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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

How far of a drive is that from Toronto?

Heh. Well, it is near Lake Tahoe, California, so only a couple days of constant driving.


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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Q: How does Sungam find his sheep in tall grass?

edited fer spelling


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Kartessa wrote:
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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Q: How does Sungam find his sheep in tall grass?

A: VERY PLEASUREABLE!


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zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

Oh jeez, I didn't even notice the dirty until you pointed it out with your last sentence!

It was pretty subtle alright.

Zeke lives by subtle... can see it a mile off!


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donald949 wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
kachoong wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
sungam wrote:
sungam wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!




heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.

Yea, that's kinda what I wus trying to say...

butt more importantly, Why you has to cheesetit teh Ball Cupping Shirt? Why?

OK now this is even funnier. Turns out the random ball cupping shirt is actuall Jack's.
Small world.

You really need to try keeping up Dubble D.


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kachoong wrote:
donald949 wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
kachoong wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
sungam wrote:
sungam wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!




heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.

Yea, that's kinda what I wus trying to say...

butt more importantly, Why you has to cheesetit teh Ball Cupping Shirt? Why?

OK now this is even funnier. Turns out the random ball cupping shirt is actuall Jack's.
Small world.

You really need to try keeping up Dubble D.

D Dub just doesn't know.


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kachoong wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

Oh jeez, I didn't even notice the dirty until you pointed it out with your last sentence!

It was pretty subtle alright.

Zeke lives by subtle... can see it a mile off!

Hey, I just think hiding out as my climbing partner/mistress wood nymph in the Tahoe area is a great use of her 30% raise.


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Kartessa wrote:
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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Q: How does Sungam find his sheep in tall grass?

A: VERY PLEASUREABLE!

FTW


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kachoong wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

Oh jeez, I didn't even notice the dirty until you pointed it out with your last sentence!

It was pretty subtle alright.

Zeke lives by subtle... can see it a mile off!

Hey, I just think hiding out as my climbing partner/mistress wood nymph in the Tahoe area is a great use of her 30% raise.

Sounds fair to me...


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kachoong wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

Oh jeez, I didn't even notice the dirty until you pointed it out with your last sentence!

It was pretty subtle alright.

Zeke lives by subtle... can see it a mile off!

Hey, I just think hiding out as my climbing partner/mistress wood nymph in the Tahoe area is a great use of her 30% raise.

I guess I could dress up....


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Kartessa wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
kachoong wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

Oh jeez, I didn't even notice the dirty until you pointed it out with your last sentence!

It was pretty subtle alright.

Zeke lives by subtle... can see it a mile off!

Hey, I just think hiding out as my climbing partner/mistress wood nymph in the Tahoe area is a great use of her 30% raise.

I guess I could dress up....

That would be divine. Okay, I really need to go play with climb by myself now. Maybe there will be willing partners at the crag?


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zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
kachoong wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

Oh jeez, I didn't even notice the dirty until you pointed it out with your last sentence!

It was pretty subtle alright.

Zeke lives by subtle... can see it a mile off!

Hey, I just think hiding out as my climbing partner/mistress wood nymph in the Tahoe area is a great use of her 30% raise.

I guess I could dress up.... [image]http://www.recapist.com/files/images/jena.img_assist_custom.jpg[/image]

That would be divine. Okay, I really need to go play with climb by myself now. Maybe there will be willing partners at the crag?

It's ok, that picture even turns me on a little.


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zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
kachoong wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

Oh jeez, I didn't even notice the dirty until you pointed it out with your last sentence!

It was pretty subtle alright.

Zeke lives by subtle... can see it a mile off!

Hey, I just think hiding out as my climbing partner/mistress wood nymph in the Tahoe area is a great use of her 30% raise.

I guess I could dress up.... [image]http://www.recapist.com/files/images/jena.img_assist_custom.jpg[/image]

That would be divine. Okay, I really need to go play with climb by myself now. Maybe there will be willing partners at the crag?

Define "willing"


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Hey, Subantz asked me to pass on a message...


"Everyone do a pull test"


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You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?


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I'm actually doing work...


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DANCE MONKEYS!


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How to do my job....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEyRg5mXLAQ


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Kartessa wrote:
How to do my job....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEyRg5mXLAQ
Shocked


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

Shouldn't matter at all if you can get it anytime...
+1


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

Shouldn't matter at all if you can get it anytime...
+1

Well mostly we have kids, and they run her ragged during the day. So its not as easy to, um, work in as before kids.
But still. Laugh


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Kartessa wrote:
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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!


I'm gonna guess Subantz... Dood, howz yer banz going?
So did Sub finnally get the banz he's been jonesing for???


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

Do it spike


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spikeddem wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I prefer AdultFriendFinder Laugh
Ha, you got RCBe-LayFinder.knob
The rest of us got nothing.


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!


I'm gonna guess Subantz... Dood, howz yer banz going?
So did Sub finnally get the banz he's been jonesing for???

Its official... he posted like 75 bogus threads in General in under 45min. Modz couldn't keep up.

He does say hi and requests a pull test.


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

And once I find a sucker to take me... AshleyMadison.com

INTTIMBAW

Ok, enough is enough! I'm trying to "get" this place but I'm stuck on PTFTW and now INTTIMBAW. OG BET is lost on me, but if any of you could be so kind as to explain these FUBAR acronyms, I'd love you long time.
INRT ^^^^


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Kartessa wrote:
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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Q: How does Sungam find his sheep in tall grass?

A: VERY PLEASUREABLE!
Ouch
Devil


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PTFTW


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zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I'm inviting you to Echo Lake for drinking and fucking. Wait. Wasn't I supposed to couch that in some clever euphemism?

Oh jeez, I didn't even notice the dirty until you pointed it out with your last sentence!

It was pretty subtle alright.

Yea, about as subtle as a main battle tank...


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kachoong wrote:
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Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!




heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.

Yea, that's kinda what I wus trying to say...

butt more importantly, Why you has to cheesetit teh Ball Cupping Shirt? Why?

OK now this is even funnier. Turns out the random ball cupping shirt is actuall Jack's.
Small world.

You really need to try keeping up Dubble D.
Yea something.
Jack's pic, you can see its him.
Sunny's picture, I had no idea.
Sew ya, I kneeds two keep up.


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Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

And once I find a sucker to take me... AshleyMadison.com

INTTIMBAW

Ok, enough is enough! I'm trying to "get" this place but I'm stuck on PTFTW and now INTTIMBAW. OG BET is lost on me, but if any of you could be so kind as to explain these FUBAR acronyms, I'd love you long time.
INRT ^^^^

Well for your information, I now know!

An knowing is half the battle!


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Kartessa wrote:
How to do my job....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEyRg5mXLAQ

INCT^^^^^


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You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!


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How to do my job....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEyRg5mXLAQ

INCT^^^^^

Ya really oughta


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Kartessa wrote:
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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!


I'm gonna guess Subantz... Dood, howz yer banz going?
So did Sub finnally get the banz he's been jonesing for???

Its official... he posted like 75 bogus threads in General in under 45min. Modz couldn't keep up.

He does say hi and requests a pull test.

Well tell him hello back.
And instead of a pull test, I offer to give him a swift kick in the seat of the pantz instead.


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Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...


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donald949 wrote:
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You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.


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How to do my job....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEyRg5mXLAQ

INCT^^^^^

Ya really oughta
Maybe once I get home.
Need to keep the band width down at work.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.


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donald949 wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!


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Kartessa wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!

But PC++ is never BS


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!

But PC++ is never BS
tru dat


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I got 38min left to dick around... any requests?


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?


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i dont need to know you name, i just want: bang bang bang


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Kartessa wrote:
I got 38min left to dick around... any requests?

Go away LaughLaugh


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Kartessa wrote:
I got 38min left to dick around... any requests?
nothing appropriate comes to mind.
Although Zeke mioght be by soon w/ something.
Otherwise I've got a spread sheet to review for a meeting coming up.


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
I got 38min left to dick around... any requests?

Go away LaughLaugh

Angelic


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spikeddem wrote:
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I got 38min left to dick around... any requests?

Go away LaughLaugh

Angelic

PC2000, HIC!


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spikeddem wrote:
i dont need to know you name, i just want: bang bang bang
My name is Donald.
Since you replied to me.
But you're not getting any bang bang bang from me.


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fast engough for the pt?


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donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i dont need to know you name, i just want: bang bang bang
My name is Donald.
Since you replied to me.
But you're not getting any bang bang bang from me.

i was quoting a world famous song, nOOb


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fast engough for the pt?

damn you distracting me with something to reply to


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.


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spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i dont need to know you name, i just want: bang bang bang
My name is Donald.
Since you replied to me.
But you're not getting any bang bang bang from me.

i was quoting a world famous song, nOOb
Well you should have relpied to Kartesa. She offered you the Be-Lay


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spikeddem wrote:
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fast engough for the pt?

damn you distracting me with something to reply to

HA!
Score


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donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
fast engough for the pt?

damn you distracting me with something to reply to

HA!
Score

Now that I finally get it, I want a pt. Frown


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Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.
Well post harder!


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.
Well post harder!

I


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Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.
Well post harder!

I
AM


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Sep 15, 2010, 8:33 PM
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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.
Well post harder!

I
AM
TRYING


Kartessa


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.
Well post harder!

I
AM
TRYING
SO


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Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
fast engough for the pt?

damn you distracting me with something to reply to

HA!
Score

Now that I finally get it, I want a pt. Frown

Everyone wants one


Kartessa


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.
Well post harder!

I
AM
TRYING
SO
HARD!!!


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.
Well post harder!

I
AM
TRYING
SO
HARD!!!
Bang!
jess like that PC+++++


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ptftw's are lame.


Kartessa


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How many times do I have to scream "HARDER!" for you to believe me that I'm trying as hard as I can to get my PC up?!


Kartessa


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spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

And that bored at work Tongue


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How many times do I have to scream "HARDER!" for you to believe me that I'm trying as hard as I can to get my PC up?!
For me a couple more times.
Everyone else.
I think they want to hear it all day, all week.


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Kartessa wrote:
How many times do I have to scream "HARDER!" for you to believe me that I'm trying as hard as I can to get my PC up?!
For me a couple more times.
Everyone else.
I think they want to hear it all day, all week.

HARDER! HARDER! HARDER!


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.


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Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
How many times do I have to scream "HARDER!" for you to believe me that I'm trying as hard as I can to get my PC up?!
For me a couple more times.
Everyone else.
I think they want to hear it all day, all week.

HARDER! HARDER! HARDER!

Happy Now?


Kartessa


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI


Kartessa


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Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?


Kartessa


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now


Kartessa


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)

Actually, I can't... that was such a FAIL


Kartessa


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)

Actually, I can't... that was such a FAIL

At least I got my PC++ today, no shame in that.


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)

Actually, I can't... that was such a FAIL

At least I got my PC++ today, no shame in that.

You're gonna fail to protect your first (legit) ptftw and it's gonna get snagged.


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Well there's always tomorrow...

unless i get fired tomorrow, then I wont give a shit about no PC or PT


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)

Actually, I can't... that was such a FAIL
Yes, yes it was.
But well done on stepping up to the plate and admitting it.


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
How many times do I have to scream "HARDER!" for you to believe me that I'm trying as hard as I can to get my PC up?!
For me a couple more times.
Everyone else.
I think they want to hear it all day, all week.

HARDER! HARDER! HARDER!

Happy Now?
Oh yea.
Meeting's done.


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
How many times do I have to scream "HARDER!" for you to believe me that I'm trying as hard as I can to get my PC up?!
For me a couple more times.
Everyone else.
I think they want to hear it all day, all week.

HARDER! HARDER! HARDER!

Happy Now?
Oh yea.
Meeting's done.

Although just before the meeting it was confirmed.
Graves for Donny boy next week.


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How many times do I have to scream "HARDER!" for you to believe me that I'm trying as hard as I can to get my PC up?!
For me a couple more times.
Everyone else.
I think they want to hear it all day, all week.

HARDER! HARDER! HARDER!

Happy Now?
Oh yea.
Meeting's done.

Although just before the meeting it was confirmed.
Graves for Donny boy next week.
PLus I have two weeks of graves starting on the tenth.


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Good times 4 sure.


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We will be waking up to pages of posts then?


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We will be waking up to pages of posts then?
Perhaps. Prolly mostly replies to all NA's posts.


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DANCE MONKEYS!

This monkey went rock climbing. Monkey happy.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!


I'm gonna guess Subantz... Dood, howz yer banz going?
So did Sub finnally get the banz he's been jonesing for???

Its official... he posted like 75 bogus threads in General in under 45min. Modz couldn't keep up.

He does say hi and requests a pull test.

I've been banzed before. Mostly for shit talking. I will not pull his piece, however.


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ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)

Actually, I can't... that was such a FAIL

Really, the whole thing is a great waste of time. That's why I like it so.


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Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!




heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.

Yea, that's kinda what I wus trying to say...

butt more importantly, Why you has to cheesetit teh Ball Cupping Shirt? Why?

OK now this is even funnier. Turns out the random ball cupping shirt is actuall Jack's.
Small world.

You really need to try keeping up Dubble D.
Yea something.
Jack's pic, you can see its him.
Sunny's picture, I had no idea.
Sew ya, I kneeds two keep up.

*nervously looking back over my shoulder*

You can reconize me from the back of my neck? So how long have you been stalking me and staring at my ass? Do I need to get a restraining order?



I suppose it couldn't hurt to tell you the back story...

In the weeks before the Woodson Ball Cupping Reunion, teh gays over at ST had this stupid thread about the event, so I started a mocking thread over at Todd's sleepy little site, mostly pointing and laughing... When I figured I had the hook set, I told teh Ball Cupping Story in a series of postings. The thread had a some hits, then several days before the event, somebody linked the thread to teh won at ST. The thread at Todd's site got 1500 hits in a day and I got dozens of angry e-mails... heh. And you noes me, awlways willing to spike teh ball. I made that shirt, based on the pic. Loaded up 5 cases of beer and won of soda and walked up the hill on the day of the event and passed out teh cold drinks... Sum thought it wus funny, sum just got straight up butthurtz. I had a fun day, got awl drunk, did sum climbing and saw a bunch of old friends from the way back.

Here is the cut and pasted story.



"So I went down to Woodson Brokeback mountan this past weekend, to see what all the fuss was about.

What a mess.

I sat in my car watching the scene on the street for a while. The Ball cuppers would roll up, jump out of their cars and begin cupping themselves. When another cupper would arrive, they would walk up to greet each other, shaking with won hand and cupping with the other. Sometime they would also kiss each other on the lips, and I swear I saw some of the gayer won slipping each other the tounge. Afterward, holding each others hands, they would swish up the trail to Brokeback mountain, where the real Ball Cupping would occur.

After watching the street for about an hour, it seemed like most the Ball Cuppers that were going to cum, had arrived, shot loads all over each other and walked up. I figured it was time to see what the Ball Cuppers were actually doing on Brokeback Mountain.

I hadn't noticed it before, but as I crossed the street I slipped and almost fell, the fuking street was covered in jizz. At first I thought it might be hard to figure out where the Ball Cupper had gone, it's a big mountain, soon it became clear, just follow the snail trail.

As I headed up Brokeback mountain the snail trail became a stream of jizz ozzing down the road. I donned my waterproofs and rubber ducky boots, I didn't really want to get soaked. I could tell I was getting close, the stream of jizz had becume a river and there was some sort of geyser, down behind some boulders, shooting loads up into the sky. Finaly, I found a high spot up on a boulder, where I watch the Ball Cupping Frenzy. Luckly I had my umbrella, the sky was still raining droplets of seman. Still I can't believe what I saw....


later, I would use several gallons of eye bleach to try to sear the image of what I saw that day.

The Ball Cuppers had, cleared an area between several large boulders and had formed some sort of Ball Cupping pool. There were dozens of them, all splashing and frolicking in the pool of jizz. It was like a gay bath house down there. Soon the head Ball Cupper arrived, clad only in a pair of tight leather crotchless chaps. He stood above the pool of jizz, arms outstretched to the sky as several of the slightly more blorted Ball Cuppers... well, you know, cupped his balls.

I reconized the Ball Cupper in the chaps from the way back. He was pretty gud back then and it looked like he hadn't blorted up like most of the other ball cuppers. I figured, he could likely still do a move or too, though I never really did see any climbing going on that day.... just a bunch of Ball Cupping.

When the head Ball Cupper lowered his arms, a hush came over the crowd. I new something was going to happen... but what? I thought, nothing could be sicker than what I had already witnessed...

I was RONG!

I wasn't close enough to hear what was being said but suddenly Blorted Ball Cuppers started beaching themselves, face down, belly flopping themselve on to the banks of the pool of jizz.

Then these guys arrived....



I'd seen enough, I had a gud idea what was going to happen to those blorted, beached whales. I slid off the back of the boulder and hussled down the mountain. The screams cumming from the jizz pool, sounded like baby seals being clubed to death. I turned up my i-pod and just tried to forget everything, I had seen and heard. Halfway down, I saw a guy walking up. Even though my eyes weren't gud enough to see who it was, I knew he was won of them, cuz he had won of those mattresses use for gay sex straped on his back.

As I got closer, I realized I knew this guy. Hadn't seen him in 20 years, still I knew and had climbed with this guy from the way back. FUK!!! What to do? OK, just play it cool, Hey...

Before I new it, this guy had his hand out to shake and his other hand in my pants cupping me. I just stood there stunned. In his eyes, I could see something was rong. I wanted to be polite, didn't want to hurt his feelings and I wanted to get the fuk out of there. I swear to god, it was just the back of my hand and I swear, it was on the outside of his pants, but I gave him a gentle nudge. Looking down at my bare wrist, I pulled the old 'Look at the time, got to go routine', and I was out of there."

http://www.joshuatreeclimb.com/....pl?num=1264226609/0


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber


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spikeddem wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

No, he crush you.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?


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Jeluz.

Iz O K.

Manny jeluz pplz here of for to make me.

Did you give Subwhateverhisname your password?


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Kartessa wrote:
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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

No, he crush you.

baby make crush meddikips? meddikips thing meddikips krush baby with kaptical C!


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spikeddem wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
kachoong wrote:
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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?

Perhaps he has hacker skills??


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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Seriously?

Jeluz.

Iz O K.

Manny jeluz pplz here of for to make me.

Did you give Subwhateverhisname your password?

I found a conspiracy.

Subantz - t = subanz
subanz - s = ubanz
ubanz + " " = u banz

!!!!!!


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ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?

Perhaps he has hacker skills??

sill-e cannot e-hax his way 2 da fOOd. no madder how mooch hax he haz, st1ll 2 sh0rt 2 reech fOOd.


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spikeddem wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?

Perhaps he has hacker skills??

sill-e cannot e-hax his way 2 da fOOd. no madder how mooch hax he haz, st1ll 2 sh0rt 2 reech fOOd.

mayB uff he had da fOOdz, he culd groe tallR. 2 bad he needz 2 groe tallR 2 get fOOdz.

pobrecito!


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

It's like the Craigslist of dating sites. Cheap and dated looking but free and efficient.


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Seriously?

Jeluz.

Iz O K.

Manny jeluz pplz here of for to make me.

Did you give Subwhateverhisname your password?

I found a conspiracy.

Subantz - t = subanz
subanz - s = ubanz
ubanz + " " = u banz

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fucking mods = buzted.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

It's like the Craigslist of dating sites. Cheap and dated looking but free and efficient.

Would you say KISS is their goal?

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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?

Perhaps he has hacker skills??

sill-e cannot e-hax his way 2 da fOOd. no madder how mooch hax he haz, st1ll 2 sh0rt 2 reech fOOd.

mayB uff he had da fOOdz, he culd groe tallR. 2 bad he needz 2 groe tallR 2 get fOOdz.

pobrecito!

He eatz lottz of fOOdz. dats y hiz mum iz br0kE


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

It's like the Craigslist of dating sites. Cheap and dated looking but free and efficient.

Would you say KISS is their goal?

lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololLaughlLaughloLaugholoLaugholLaughloLaughloLaughololoLaugholololololLaughololololLaughlololololLaughololololoLaughololLaughlolLaughlololololololoLaughololololLaughol

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spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

It's like the Craigslist of dating sites. Cheap and dated looking but free and efficient.

I went on a date with a guy from Craigslist once... he turned out to be a midget.


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Sep 16, 2010, 2:35 PM
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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?

Perhaps he has hacker skills??

sill-e cannot e-hax his way 2 da fOOd. no madder how mooch hax he haz, st1ll 2 sh0rt 2 reech fOOd.

mayB uff he had da fOOdz, he culd groe tallR. 2 bad he needz 2 groe tallR 2 get fOOdz.

pobrecito!

He eatz lottz of fOOdz. dats y hiz mum iz br0kE

oh. so you no run da belay blackmail on him. wi yu no run da belay blackmail awn baybee?


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Speaking of Craigslist, did you guys hear they closed down the "Adult Services" section of their site!

WTF man, now where am I supposed to go to find a good rub & tug when I'm traveling?

I might have to start a whole thread about this. I can't believe they caved to the pressure like that. Weak sauce for sure.

[pouty face]


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BoltWar wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

It's like the Craigslist of dating sites. Cheap and dated looking but free and efficient.

I went on a date with a guy from Craigslist once... he turned out to be a midget.

I'm just vertikalee challunjed.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?

Perhaps he has hacker skills??

sill-e cannot e-hax his way 2 da fOOd. no madder how mooch hax he haz, st1ll 2 sh0rt 2 reech fOOd.

mayB uff he had da fOOdz, he culd groe tallR. 2 bad he needz 2 groe tallR 2 get fOOdz.

pobrecito!

He eatz lottz of fOOdz. dats y hiz mum iz br0kE

Make it stop...


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Speaking of Craigslist, did you guys hear they closed down the "Adult Services" section of their site!

WTF man, now where am I supposed to go to find a good rub & tug when I'm traveling?

I might have to start a whole thread about this. I can't believe they caved to the pressure like that. Weak sauce for sure.

[pouty face]

Rub-N-Tugs-R-Uz


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?

Perhaps he has hacker skills??

sill-e cannot e-hax his way 2 da fOOd. no madder how mooch hax he haz, st1ll 2 sh0rt 2 reech fOOd.

mayB uff he had da fOOdz, he culd groe tallR. 2 bad he needz 2 groe tallR 2 get fOOdz.

pobrecito!

He eatz lottz of fOOdz. dats y hiz mum iz br0kE

Make it stop...

huz mynd iz 2 simpul.


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i dont need to know you name, i just want: bang bang bang
My name is Donald.
Since you replied to me.
But you're not getting any bang bang bang from me.

You no love the Spike longtime?


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?

Perhaps he has hacker skills??

sill-e cannot e-hax his way 2 da fOOd. no madder how mooch hax he haz, st1ll 2 sh0rt 2 reech fOOd.

mayB uff he had da fOOdz, he culd groe tallR. 2 bad he needz 2 groe tallR 2 get fOOdz.

pobrecito!

He eatz lottz of fOOdz. dats y hiz mum iz br0kE

Make it stop...

huz mynd iz 2 simpul.

our grynd he cant handul.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?

Perhaps he has hacker skills??

sill-e cannot e-hax his way 2 da fOOd. no madder how mooch hax he haz, st1ll 2 sh0rt 2 reech fOOd.

mayB uff he had da fOOdz, he culd groe tallR. 2 bad he needz 2 groe tallR 2 get fOOdz.

pobrecito!

He eatz lottz of fOOdz. dats y hiz mum iz br0kE

Make it stop...

huz mynd iz 2 simpul.

our grynd he cant handul.

he thinx he h0t cuz he date gurl 4m 'crombie


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

This sounds like something Kartessa would say.

Yay! Skanky Ho FTW!

This is where I invite you to Bon Echo next weekend for some camping and be-laying.

I see what you did there Wink

Just for you

Blush

Settle down you two, Eharmony is that way>>>

I preffer Plenty of Fish... waaaay classier Tongue

And once I find a sucker to take me... AshleyMadison.com

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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?

Perhaps he has hacker skills??

sill-e cannot e-hax his way 2 da fOOd. no madder how mooch hax he haz, st1ll 2 sh0rt 2 reech fOOd.

mayB uff he had da fOOdz, he culd groe tallR. 2 bad he needz 2 groe tallR 2 get fOOdz.

pobrecito!

He eatz lottz of fOOdz. dats y hiz mum iz br0kE

Make it stop...

huz mynd iz 2 simpul.

our grynd he cant handul.

he thinx he h0t cuz he date gurl 4m 'crombie

bytch plz. i getz m0re hed dan a muhfukin z0mB.


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That's right. I just spit the first free style in the SPCI.


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That's right. I just spit the first free style in the SPCI.

DJ Demz


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yall are weak on the pci-ing today noobs.


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Summer Rocks!

Took a month of "Mental Stress Leave" and then quit my job when I got back so I managed to do 20+ days at rattlesnake point, 10 days at mt nemo, 2 trips to the Glen, 2 to Metcalfe, 2 to Jordan Harbour, and one 3-day excursion to the New.

Would have gone out more but alas, having a kiddo takes time and money too Smile

Good thing I dont gots a man or I would have spent the summer doing things he liked instead of what's really important.

Not bad at all. You got quite a bit more done than all of my friends with kids put together.

Yeah, my roadie days were last year, so I haven't gotten that kind of mileage either. I got a bit of climbing done this summer though. I'm heading out for a bit of that soloing they do with the top ropes (not a free soloist ovah heah) since I can't find any fuckers that climb during the week.

You gotta break out the solo gear now and again. It hasn't seen much action this year but the last two years the old Petzle Basic was pretty much my most reliable belay slave.


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thiiiis is howwwww we dooo itttttttttt


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

you runnded the h0le "belay me 0r no fOOd 2nite, n00b" scam on 2 + 1/2 y/o littel child wif simpul mynd?

Perhaps he has hacker skills??

sill-e cannot e-hax his way 2 da fOOd. no madder how mooch hax he haz, st1ll 2 sh0rt 2 reech fOOd.

mayB uff he had da fOOdz, he culd groe tallR. 2 bad he needz 2 groe tallR 2 get fOOdz.

pobrecito!

He eatz lottz of fOOdz. dats y hiz mum iz br0kE

oh. so you no run da belay blackmail on him. wi yu no run da belay blackmail awn baybee?

He niidz da f00d 2 git fat & hevy enuf 2 katch hiz mommy


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a little ++ here


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a little ++ here

a little ++ there


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.
You worry about the wrong things. If you want to get anywhere in life you have to









start thinking about the next time your going to get laid.

BTW, where the fuck did you come from?!

He's here to start up a bolt war arguement.
He doesn't know we don't climb, let alone talk about climbing, much less argue bolting ethics.

heh. Didn't even notice the user name.

Like you said, good luck with that round here.


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thiiiis is howwwww we dooo itttttttttt

a little ++ here

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we love ++


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thiiiis is howwwww we dooo itttttttttt

a little ++ here

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we love ++

go ahead and trust us


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thiiiis is howwwww we dooo itttttttttt

a little ++ here

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we love ++

go ahead and trust us

cuz when it comes to NA


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thiiiis is howwwww we dooo itttttttttt

a little ++ here

a little ++ there

we love ++

go ahead and trust us

cuz when it comes to NA

his pc is like his dress size: double plus plus


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thiiiis is howwwww we dooo itttttttttt

a little ++ here

a little ++ there

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cuz when it comes to NA

his pc is like his dress size: double plus plus

Cool


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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Q: How does Sungam find his sheep in tall grass?

A: VERY PLEASUREABLE!

Ahhhhh sheep fucker jokes, they never get old!


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some real pc-ing for me today


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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Q: How does Sungam find his sheep in tall grass?

A: VERY PLEASUREABLE!

Ahhhhh sheep fucker jokes, they never get old!

Where is the old sheep buggerer anyway?


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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Q: How does Sungam find his sheep in tall grass?

A: VERY PLEASUREABLE!

Ahhhhh sheep fucker jokes, they never get old!

Just like NA wears a large dress jokes!


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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Q: How does Sungam find his sheep in tall grass?

A: VERY PLEASUREABLE!

Ahhhhh sheep fucker jokes, they never get old!

Where is the old sheep buggerer anyway?

In and out, I hear.

CoolCoolCoolCoolLaugh


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making waves and putting up numbers today.

gonna go for a triple double.


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making waves and putting up numbers today.

gonna go for a triple double.

basketball


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making waves and putting up numbers today.

gonna go for a triple double.

basketball

speaking of basketball, whats the weather like in toronto?


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making waves and putting up numbers today.

gonna go for a triple double.

basketball

speaking of basketball, whats the weather like in toronto?

if you don't reply to that ill give you a cookie. however, it is probably too late by the time you read this.


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making waves and putting up numbers today.

gonna go for a triple double.

basketball

speaking of basketball, whats the weather like in toronto?

if you don't reply to that ill give you a cookie. however, it is probably too late by the time you read this.

i love twist endings.


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making waves and putting up numbers today.

gonna go for a triple double.

basketball

speaking of basketball, whats the weather like in toronto?

if you don't reply to that ill give you a cookie. however, it is probably too late by the time you read this.

i love twist endings.

that's what he said when he did her in the can


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spikeddem wrote:
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making waves and putting up numbers today.

gonna go for a triple double.

basketball

speaking of basketball, whats the weather like in toronto?

if you don't reply to that ill give you a cookie. however, it is probably too late by the time you read this.

i love twist endings.

that's what he said when he did her in the can

all proud and excited, 'til his friends mentioned that she wuz a man


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
making waves and putting up numbers today.

gonna go for a triple double.

basketball

speaking of basketball, whats the weather like in toronto?

if you don't reply to that ill give you a cookie. however, it is probably too late by the time you read this.

i love twist endings.

that's what he said when he did her in the can

all proud and excited, 'til his friends mentioned that she wuz a man

i get more pussy than a litterbox


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
making waves and putting up numbers today.

gonna go for a triple double.

basketball

speaking of basketball, whats the weather like in toronto?

if you don't reply to that ill give you a cookie. however, it is probably too late by the time you read this.

i love twist endings.

that's what he said when he did her in the can

all proud and excited, 'til his friends mentioned that she wuz a man

I thought you kids were tough on drugs in your country...


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
making waves and putting up numbers today.

gonna go for a triple double.

basketball

speaking of basketball, whats the weather like in toronto?

if you don't reply to that ill give you a cookie. however, it is probably too late by the time you read this.

i love twist endings.

that's what he said when he did her in the can

all proud and excited, 'til his friends mentioned that she wuz a man

i get more pussy than a litterbox

but i skip them cougars and their botox


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climbed last night. my left index finger looks like a topographical map. i had a blister rip open, and the skin beneath that tore open too. looks cool.


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climbed last night. my left index finger looks like a topographical map. i had a blister rip open, and the skin beneath that tore open too. looks cool.

Nice, I was just thinking about how much I wanna hurl, then I read your message... Really helps to think about your nasty fingers.


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climbed last night. my left index finger looks like a topographical map. i had a blister rip open, and the skin beneath that tore open too. looks cool.

Nice, I was just thinking about how much I wanna hurl, then I read your message... Really helps to think about your nasty fingers.

I'd rather not know where they've been


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Yay, I got my first legit PT Cool


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no pro 4 u


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And everything goes quiet....

*Crickets*


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And everything goes quiet....

*Crickets*

First off, everything can't go quiet if there are crickets.

Second off, you have much to learn.


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And everything goes quiet....

*Crickets*

First off, everything can't go quiet if there are crickets.

Second off, you have much to learn.

Why you gotta be like that man?


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And everything goes quiet....

*Crickets*

First off, everything can't go quiet if there are crickets.

Second off, you have much to learn.

Why you gotta be like that man?

Which man are you referring to? Sly


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Oh teach me! Mighty Meddekips


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tripperjm wrote:
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Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!




heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.

Yea, that's kinda what I wus trying to say...

butt more importantly, Why you has to cheesetit teh Ball Cupping Shirt? Why?

OK now this is even funnier. Turns out the random ball cupping shirt is actuall Jack's.
Small world.

You really need to try keeping up Dubble D.
Yea something.
Jack's pic, you can see its him.
Sunny's picture, I had no idea.
Sew ya, I kneeds two keep up.

*nervously looking back over my shoulder*

You can reconize me from the back of my neck? So how long have you been stalking me and staring at my ass? Do I need to get a restraining order?



I suppose it couldn't hurt to tell you the back story...

In the weeks before the Woodson Ball Cupping Reunion, teh gays over at ST had this stupid thread about the event, so I started a mocking thread over at Todd's sleepy little site, mostly pointing and laughing... When I figured I had the hook set, I told teh Ball Cupping Story in a series of postings. The thread had a some hits, then several days before the event, somebody linked the thread to teh won at ST. The thread at Todd's site got 1500 hits in a day and I got dozens of angry e-mails... heh. And you noes me, awlways willing to spike teh ball. I made that shirt, based on the pic. Loaded up 5 cases of beer and won of soda and walked up the hill on the day of the event and passed out teh cold drinks... Sum thought it wus funny, sum just got straight up butthurtz. I had a fun day, got awl drunk, did sum climbing and saw a bunch of old friends from the way back.

Here is the cut and pasted story.



"So I went down to Woodson Brokeback mountan this past weekend, to see what all the fuss was about.

What a mess.

I sat in my car watching the scene on the street for a while. The Ball cuppers would roll up, jump out of their cars and begin cupping themselves. When another cupper would arrive, they would walk up to greet each other, shaking with won hand and cupping with the other. Sometime they would also kiss each other on the lips, and I swear I saw some of the gayer won slipping each other the tounge. Afterward, holding each others hands, they would swish up the trail to Brokeback mountain, where the real Ball Cupping would occur.

After watching the street for about an hour, it seemed like most the Ball Cuppers that were going to cum, had arrived, shot loads all over each other and walked up. I figured it was time to see what the Ball Cuppers were actually doing on Brokeback Mountain.

I hadn't noticed it before, but as I crossed the street I slipped and almost fell, the fuking street was covered in jizz. At first I thought it might be hard to figure out where the Ball Cupper had gone, it's a big mountain, soon it became clear, just follow the snail trail.

As I headed up Brokeback mountain the snail trail became a stream of jizz ozzing down the road. I donned my waterproofs and rubber ducky boots, I didn't really want to get soaked. I could tell I was getting close, the stream of jizz had becume a river and there was some sort of geyser, down behind some boulders, shooting loads up into the sky. Finaly, I found a high spot up on a boulder, where I watch the Ball Cupping Frenzy. Luckly I had my umbrella, the sky was still raining droplets of seman. Still I can't believe what I saw....


later, I would use several gallons of eye bleach to try to sear the image of what I saw that day.

The Ball Cuppers had, cleared an area between several large boulders and had formed some sort of Ball Cupping pool. There were dozens of them, all splashing and frolicking in the pool of jizz. It was like a gay bath house down there. Soon the head Ball Cupper arrived, clad only in a pair of tight leather crotchless chaps. He stood above the pool of jizz, arms outstretched to the sky as several of the slightly more blorted Ball Cuppers... well, you know, cupped his balls.

I reconized the Ball Cupper in the chaps from the way back. He was pretty gud back then and it looked like he hadn't blorted up like most of the other ball cuppers. I figured, he could likely still do a move or too, though I never really did see any climbing going on that day.... just a bunch of Ball Cupping.

When the head Ball Cupper lowered his arms, a hush came over the crowd. I new something was going to happen... but what? I thought, nothing could be sicker than what I had already witnessed...

I was RONG!

I wasn't close enough to hear what was being said but suddenly Blorted Ball Cuppers started beaching themselves, face down, belly flopping themselve on to the banks of the pool of jizz.

Then these guys arrived....

[IMG]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/allwashedup/bc.jpg[/IMG]

I'd seen enough, I had a gud idea what was going to happen to those blorted, beached whales. I slid off the back of the boulder and hussled down the mountain. The screams cumming from the jizz pool, sounded like baby seals being clubed to death. I turned up my i-pod and just tried to forget everything, I had seen and heard. Halfway down, I saw a guy walking up. Even though my eyes weren't gud enough to see who it was, I knew he was won of them, cuz he had won of those mattresses use for gay sex straped on his back.

As I got closer, I realized I knew this guy. Hadn't seen him in 20 years, still I knew and had climbed with this guy from the way back. FUK!!! What to do? OK, just play it cool, Hey...

Before I new it, this guy had his hand out to shake and his other hand in my pants cupping me. I just stood there stunned. In his eyes, I could see something was rong. I wanted to be polite, didn't want to hurt his feelings and I wanted to get the fuk out of there. I swear to god, it was just the back of my hand and I swear, it was on the outside of his pants, but I gave him a gentle nudge. Looking down at my bare wrist, I pulled the old 'Look at the time, got to go routine', and I was out of there."

http://www.joshuatreeclimb.com/....pl?num=1264226609/0

Hah! That story still makes me want to cup your balls.


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Summer Rocks!

Took a month of "Mental Stress Leave" and then quit my job when I got back so I managed to do 20+ days at rattlesnake point, 10 days at mt nemo, 2 trips to the Glen, 2 to Metcalfe, 2 to Jordan Harbour, and one 3-day excursion to the New.

Would have gone out more but alas, having a kiddo takes time and money too Smile

Good thing I dont gots a man or I would have spent the summer doing things he liked instead of what's really important.

Not bad at all. You got quite a bit more done than all of my friends with kids put together.

Yeah, my roadie days were last year, so I haven't gotten that kind of mileage either. I got a bit of climbing done this summer though. I'm heading out for a bit of that soloing they do with the top ropes (not a free soloist ovah heah) since I can't find any fuckers that climb during the week.

You gotta break out the solo gear now and again. It hasn't seen much action this year but the last two years the old Petzle Basic was pretty much my most reliable belay slave.

It was grate! You really get into the groove when you do a lot of laps too. I think I'll start bringing it out to the crag with partners just to burn out at the end of they day, so we can concentrate on drinking beerz.


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Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!



[image]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/allwashedup/Ballcuppingatwoodson1.jpg[/image]

heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.

Yea, that's kinda what I wus trying to say...

butt more importantly, Why you has to cheesetit teh Ball Cupping Shirt? Why?

OK now this is even funnier. Turns out the random ball cupping shirt is actuall Jack's.
Small world.

You really need to try keeping up Dubble D.
Yea something.
Jack's pic, you can see its him.
Sunny's picture, I had no idea.
Sew ya, I kneeds two keep up.

*nervously looking back over my shoulder*

You can reconize me from the back of my neck? So how long have you been stalking me and staring at my ass? Do I need to get a restraining order?



I suppose it couldn't hurt to tell you the back story...

In the weeks before the Woodson Ball Cupping Reunion, teh gays over at ST had this stupid thread about the event, so I started a mocking thread over at Todd's sleepy little site, mostly pointing and laughing... When I figured I had the hook set, I told teh Ball Cupping Story in a series of postings. The thread had a some hits, then several days before the event, somebody linked the thread to teh won at ST. The thread at Todd's site got 1500 hits in a day and I got dozens of angry e-mails... heh. And you noes me, awlways willing to spike teh ball. I made that shirt, based on the pic. Loaded up 5 cases of beer and won of soda and walked up the hill on the day of the event and passed out teh cold drinks... Sum thought it wus funny, sum just got straight up butthurtz. I had a fun day, got awl drunk, did sum climbing and saw a bunch of old friends from the way back.

Here is the cut and pasted story.



"So I went down to Woodson Brokeback mountan this past weekend, to see what all the fuss was about.

What a mess.

I sat in my car watching the scene on the street for a while. The Ball cuppers would roll up, jump out of their cars and begin cupping themselves. When another cupper would arrive, they would walk up to greet each other, shaking with won hand and cupping with the other. Sometime they would also kiss each other on the lips, and I swear I saw some of the gayer won slipping each other the tounge. Afterward, holding each others hands, they would swish up the trail to Brokeback mountain, where the real Ball Cupping would occur.

After watching the street for about an hour, it seemed like most the Ball Cuppers that were going to cum, had arrived, shot loads all over each other and walked up. I figured it was time to see what the Ball Cuppers were actually doing on Brokeback Mountain.

I hadn't noticed it before, but as I crossed the street I slipped and almost fell, the fuking street was covered in jizz. At first I thought it might be hard to figure out where the Ball Cupper had gone, it's a big mountain, soon it became clear, just follow the snail trail.

As I headed up Brokeback mountain the snail trail became a stream of jizz ozzing down the road. I donned my waterproofs and rubber ducky boots, I didn't really want to get soaked. I could tell I was getting close, the stream of jizz had becume a river and there was some sort of geyser, down behind some boulders, shooting loads up into the sky. Finaly, I found a high spot up on a boulder, where I watch the Ball Cupping Frenzy. Luckly I had my umbrella, the sky was still raining droplets of seman. Still I can't believe what I saw....


later, I would use several gallons of eye bleach to try to sear the image of what I saw that day.

The Ball Cuppers had, cleared an area between several large boulders and had formed some sort of Ball Cupping pool. There were dozens of them, all splashing and frolicking in the pool of jizz. It was like a gay bath house down there. Soon the head Ball Cupper arrived, clad only in a pair of tight leather crotchless chaps. He stood above the pool of jizz, arms outstretched to the sky as several of the slightly more blorted Ball Cuppers... well, you know, cupped his balls.

I reconized the Ball Cupper in the chaps from the way back. He was pretty gud back then and it looked like he hadn't blorted up like most of the other ball cuppers. I figured, he could likely still do a move or too, though I never really did see any climbing going on that day.... just a bunch of Ball Cupping.

When the head Ball Cupper lowered his arms, a hush came over the crowd. I new something was going to happen... but what? I thought, nothing could be sicker than what I had already witnessed...

I was RONG!

I wasn't close enough to hear what was being said but suddenly Blorted Ball Cuppers started beaching themselves, face down, belly flopping themselve on to the banks of the pool of jizz.

Then these guys arrived....

[IMG]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/allwashedup/bc.jpg[/IMG]

I'd seen enough, I had a gud idea what was going to happen to those blorted, beached whales. I slid off the back of the boulder and hussled down the mountain. The screams cumming from the jizz pool, sounded like baby seals being clubed to death. I turned up my i-pod and just tried to forget everything, I had seen and heard. Halfway down, I saw a guy walking up. Even though my eyes weren't gud enough to see who it was, I knew he was won of them, cuz he had won of those mattresses use for gay sex straped on his back.

As I got closer, I realized I knew this guy. Hadn't seen him in 20 years, still I knew and had climbed with this guy from the way back. FUK!!! What to do? OK, just play it cool, Hey...

Before I new it, this guy had his hand out to shake and his other hand in my pants cupping me. I just stood there stunned. In his eyes, I could see something was rong. I wanted to be polite, didn't want to hurt his feelings and I wanted to get the fuk out of there. I swear to god, it was just the back of my hand and I swear, it was on the outside of his pants, but I gave him a gentle nudge. Looking down at my bare wrist, I pulled the old 'Look at the time, got to go routine', and I was out of there."

http://www.joshuatreeclimb.com/....pl?num=1264226609/0
[ballcupping] pretty funny story link[/ballcupping]
Regarding recognizing the back of your head? Actually No.
But, it was reasonable to conclude. Hair the same as other pics here on the knob. Changed out Mangus' picture with your own. Chidded Kachong for not keeping the pic linked up in his reply. Ball cupping humor tshirt actually worn at Mt Woodson. Couldn't be anyone else. Has to be Jack. Only reasonable conclusion.


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climbed last night. my left index finger looks like a topographical map. i had a blister rip open, and the skin beneath that tore open too. looks cool.

Nice, I was just thinking about how much I wanna hurl, then I read your message... Really helps to think about your nasty fingers.

I'd rather not know where they've been

His name is Al, and that was more than a finger up there.


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Oh teach me! Mighty Meddekips

Can't teach an old dog new trix.


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Oh teach me! Mighty Meddekips

Can't teach an old dog new trix.

Better yet, can't teach a new trick to hangout with the old dogs.


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

Totally true... when im broke, I drive way more efficiently, can get about 9.8l/100km that way. On payday I dont give a fuck so I'll take her up to 15l/100km.

PT Cruiser, for the gangsta soccer mom!

how old is this thing that came out of you
It's 2 1/2 and is already crushing 5.5 in the gym.

5.5 is ez. i culd ezely do 5.5 after warmup.

getter a better climber

My 8 yo crushes 5.6 on real rock. Full 100' pitches.
Oh yea.


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Spray spray spray


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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.


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i dont need to know you name, i just want: bang bang bang
My name is Donald.
Since you replied to me.
But you're not getting any bang bang bang from me.

You no love the Spike longtime?
Umm.....


No


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ACUN
Back to work.


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ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.


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ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.


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Hey guys, CI got the PTFTW.


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.

That is some fucked up shit... Dendriphilia is not my thing though.


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.

That is some fucked up shit... Dendriphilia is not my thing though.

You old horndog, you.


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Hey guys, CI got the PTFTW.
Huu??


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?


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PTFTW


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Old TCU


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Homemade stopper


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donald949 wrote:
Homemade stopper

Yer gonna die!!!1


donald949


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zeke_sf wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Homemade stopper

Yer gonna die!!!1

TRUE, BUT NOT FROM HANGGING OFF THE STOPPER.


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donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.


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donald949 wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Homemade stopper

Yer gonna die!!!1

TRUE, BUT NOT FROM HANGGING OFF THE STOPPER.
dANG CAPS LOCKS IS ON.


donald949


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donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Homemade stopper

Yer gonna die!!!1

TRUE, BUT NOT FROM HANGGING OFF THE STOPPER.
dANG CAPS LOCKS IS ON.
Better?
Yes


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donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Homemade stopper

Yer gonna die!!!1

TRUE, BUT NOT FROM HANGGING OFF THE STOPPER.
dANG CAPS LOCKS IS ON.

STOP YELLING AT ME!!!


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spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.


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zeke_sf wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Homemade stopper

Yer gonna die!!!1

TRUE, BUT NOT FROM HANGGING OFF THE STOPPER.
dANG CAPS LOCKS IS ON.

STOP YELLING AT ME!!!
SORRY


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donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.


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spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue


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Sep 16, 2010, 7:10 PM
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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

Like cookies and candy


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GU'd?

Wassdat?


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk


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Kartessa wrote:
GU'd?

Wassdat?

You are like a small child...


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zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
GU'd?

Wassdat?

You are like a small child...

Laugh


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue
There's the pun


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk
Gots to draw that line somewhere


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spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
GU'd?

Wassdat?

You are like a small child...

Laugh

Ha, GU'd


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PTFTW
(free solo - no pro)


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PTFTW
(free solo - no pro)

A bold style of posting, to be sure.


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the pc is weak in here right now


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u


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sharpie

d00d00


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
the pc is weak in here right now
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u

u wish. im a king.


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
the pc is weak in here right now
quick

f

sharpie

d00d00

p00p


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
the pc is weak in here right now
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f
u

u wish. im a king.

without a crown


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
the pc is weak in here right now
quick

f

sharpie

giggle
d00d00

p00p

giggle giggle giggle giggle giggle


Kartessa


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
the pc is weak in here right now
quick

f
u

u wish. im a king.

without a crown

Frown (frown)


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
the pc is weak in here right now
quick

f

sharpie

giggle
d00d00

p00p

giggle giggle giggle giggle giggle

tee hee... i said poop


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.

that's pretty ballin'


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whats a skivvy/skivvie


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.

that's pretty ballin'

I dont need no fancy prana shit to climb hard... hole-less clothing is just extra weight.


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whats a skivvy/skivvie

Skivvies are Undies... Saying "Panties" would be a little much of a stretch in that context though.


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spikeddem wrote:
the pc is weak in here right now

Yer Weak


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Kartessa wrote:
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whats a skivvy/skivvie

Skivvies are Undies... Saying "Panties" would be a little much of a stretch in that context though.

ok thats what i thoughtsies


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
the pc is weak in here right now

Yer Weak

no yer weak


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
the pc is weak in here right now

Yer Weak

no yer weak

i win


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.

that's pretty ballin'

I guess she likes to jam out with her clam out.


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anduh


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PTFTW!!!


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skivvies


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condom


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morning after


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
the pc is weak in here right now

Yer Weak

no yer weak

i win

youlost


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zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.

that's pretty ballin'

I guess she likes to jam out with her clam out.

I prefer my handjams in the clams. Laugh


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zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
the pc is weak in here right now

Yer Weak

no yer weak

i win

youlost

nope. i saw it in a book.


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pp


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MVP goes to spikeddem for the day today.


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MVP goes to spikeddem for the day today.

Nothing quite like awarding yourself eh?

My congrats, that was quite the bit of pc++ there. I'm impressed.


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.
There is something that needs to be said here.


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.
There is something that needs to be said here.
And no one noticed it.


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ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.
There is something that needs to be said here.
And no one noticed it.
So it is left to me to say it.


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donald949 wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.
There is something that needs to be said here.
And no one noticed it.
So it is left to me to say it.
Useless with out pictures.


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MVP goes to spikeddem for the day today.

Nothing quite like awarding yourself eh?

My congrats, that was quite the bit of pc++ there. I'm impressed.
Hey, its alpine007
*waves*


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donald949 wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.
There is something that needs to be said here.
And no one noticed it.
So it is left to me to say it.
Useless with out pictures.

This is kerrect.


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That's right. I just spit the first free style in the SPCI.

Spit.... not swallow?


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yall are weak on the pci-ing today noobs.

Yawn....


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notapplicable wrote:
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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Q: How does Sungam find his sheep in tall grass?

A: VERY PLEASUREABLE!

Ahhhhh sheep fucker jokes, they never get old!

...and why does haggis fuck 'em on the edge of cliffs?


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Hey guys, CI got the PTFTW.

Class klown act!


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Homemade stopper

Yer gonna die!!!1

TRUE, BUT NOT FROM HANGGING OFF THE STOPPER.
dANG CAPS LOCKS IS ON.

STOP YELLING AT ME!!!

WHAT ARE WE YELLING AT?!?!?!


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Lazlo wrote:

Big night owt? You guys look horrible....


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kachoong wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Q: How does Sungam find his sheep in tall grass?

A: VERY PLEASUREABLE!

Ahhhhh sheep fucker jokes, they never get old!

...and why does haggis fuck 'em on the edge of cliffs?

Coz they push back harder!


kachoong


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I counted PTFTW's to get to sleep last night...


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Made sure I used protection too.


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donald949 wrote:
Alpine07 wrote:
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MVP goes to spikeddem for the day today.

Nothing quite like awarding yourself eh?

My congrats, that was quite the bit of pc++ there. I'm impressed.
Hey, its alpine007
*waves*

Hey! Its been a while since I've wandered these parts. How goes it?


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Well that was weird, was on this page, bumped the mouse, next thing I know I'm in "you are not wanted here." Seems as though I am...


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Well that was weird, was on this page, bumped the mouse, next thing I know I'm in "you are not wanted here." Seems as though I am...

Oi, I think its time for bed.


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Should be a fun 30min motorcycle ride in the rain to work tomorrow at 7am.


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zeke_sf wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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tripperjm wrote:
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Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!



[image]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/allwashedup/Ballcuppingatwoodson1.jpg[/image]

heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.

Yea, that's kinda what I wus trying to say...

butt more importantly, Why you has to cheesetit teh Ball Cupping Shirt? Why?

OK now this is even funnier. Turns out the random ball cupping shirt is actuall Jack's.
Small world.

You really need to try keeping up Dubble D.
Yea something.
Jack's pic, you can see its him.
Sunny's picture, I had no idea.
Sew ya, I kneeds two keep up.

*nervously looking back over my shoulder*

You can reconize me from the back of my neck? So how long have you been stalking me and staring at my ass? Do I need to get a restraining order?



I suppose it couldn't hurt to tell you the back story...

In the weeks before the Woodson Ball Cupping Reunion, teh gays over at ST had this stupid thread about the event, so I started a mocking thread over at Todd's sleepy little site, mostly pointing and laughing... When I figured I had the hook set, I told teh Ball Cupping Story in a series of postings. The thread had a some hits, then several days before the event, somebody linked the thread to teh won at ST. The thread at Todd's site got 1500 hits in a day and I got dozens of angry e-mails... heh. And you noes me, awlways willing to spike teh ball. I made that shirt, based on the pic. Loaded up 5 cases of beer and won of soda and walked up the hill on the day of the event and passed out teh cold drinks... Sum thought it wus funny, sum just got straight up butthurtz. I had a fun day, got awl drunk, did sum climbing and saw a bunch of old friends from the way back.

Here is the cut and pasted story.



"So I went down to Woodson Brokeback mountan this past weekend, to see what all the fuss was about.

What a mess.

I sat in my car watching the scene on the street for a while. The Ball cuppers would roll up, jump out of their cars and begin cupping themselves. When another cupper would arrive, they would walk up to greet each other, shaking with won hand and cupping with the other. Sometime they would also kiss each other on the lips, and I swear I saw some of the gayer won slipping each other the tounge. Afterward, holding each others hands, they would swish up the trail to Brokeback mountain, where the real Ball Cupping would occur.

After watching the street for about an hour, it seemed like most the Ball Cuppers that were going to cum, had arrived, shot loads all over each other and walked up. I figured it was time to see what the Ball Cuppers were actually doing on Brokeback Mountain.

I hadn't noticed it before, but as I crossed the street I slipped and almost fell, the fuking street was covered in jizz. At first I thought it might be hard to figure out where the Ball Cupper had gone, it's a big mountain, soon it became clear, just follow the snail trail.

As I headed up Brokeback mountain the snail trail became a stream of jizz ozzing down the road. I donned my waterproofs and rubber ducky boots, I didn't really want to get soaked. I could tell I was getting close, the stream of jizz had becume a river and there was some sort of geyser, down behind some boulders, shooting loads up into the sky. Finaly, I found a high spot up on a boulder, where I watch the Ball Cupping Frenzy. Luckly I had my umbrella, the sky was still raining droplets of seman. Still I can't believe what I saw....


later, I would use several gallons of eye bleach to try to sear the image of what I saw that day.

The Ball Cuppers had, cleared an area between several large boulders and had formed some sort of Ball Cupping pool. There were dozens of them, all splashing and frolicking in the pool of jizz. It was like a gay bath house down there. Soon the head Ball Cupper arrived, clad only in a pair of tight leather crotchless chaps. He stood above the pool of jizz, arms outstretched to the sky as several of the slightly more blorted Ball Cuppers... well, you know, cupped his balls.

I reconized the Ball Cupper in the chaps from the way back. He was pretty gud back then and it looked like he hadn't blorted up like most of the other ball cuppers. I figured, he could likely still do a move or too, though I never really did see any climbing going on that day.... just a bunch of Ball Cupping.

When the head Ball Cupper lowered his arms, a hush came over the crowd. I new something was going to happen... but what? I thought, nothing could be sicker than what I had already witnessed...

I was RONG!

I wasn't close enough to hear what was being said but suddenly Blorted Ball Cuppers started beaching themselves, face down, belly flopping themselve on to the banks of the pool of jizz.

Then these guys arrived....

[IMG]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/allwashedup/bc.jpg[/IMG]

I'd seen enough, I had a gud idea what was going to happen to those blorted, beached whales. I slid off the back of the boulder and hussled down the mountain. The screams cumming from the jizz pool, sounded like baby seals being clubed to death. I turned up my i-pod and just tried to forget everything, I had seen and heard. Halfway down, I saw a guy walking up. Even though my eyes weren't gud enough to see who it was, I knew he was won of them, cuz he had won of those mattresses use for gay sex straped on his back.

As I got closer, I realized I knew this guy. Hadn't seen him in 20 years, still I knew and had climbed with this guy from the way back. FUK!!! What to do? OK, just play it cool, Hey...

Before I new it, this guy had his hand out to shake and his other hand in my pants cupping me. I just stood there stunned. In his eyes, I could see something was rong. I wanted to be polite, didn't want to hurt his feelings and I wanted to get the fuk out of there. I swear to god, it was just the back of my hand and I swear, it was on the outside of his pants, but I gave him a gentle nudge. Looking down at my bare wrist, I pulled the old 'Look at the time, got to go routine', and I was out of there."

http://www.joshuatreeclimb.com/....pl?num=1264226609/0

Hah! That story still makes me want to cup your balls.

Invaluable without pictures!


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donald949 wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
kachoong wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
sungam wrote:
sungam wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!



[image]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/allwashedup/Ballcuppingatwoodson1.jpg[/image]

heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.

Yea, that's kinda what I wus trying to say...

butt more importantly, Why you has to cheesetit teh Ball Cupping Shirt? Why?

OK now this is even funnier. Turns out the random ball cupping shirt is actuall Jack's.
Small world.

You really need to try keeping up Dubble D.
Yea something.
Jack's pic, you can see its him.
Sunny's picture, I had no idea.
Sew ya, I kneeds two keep up.

*nervously looking back over my shoulder*

You can reconize me from the back of my neck? So how long have you been stalking me and staring at my ass? Do I need to get a restraining order?



I suppose it couldn't hurt to tell you the back story...

In the weeks before the Woodson Ball Cupping Reunion, teh gays over at ST had this stupid thread about the event, so I started a mocking thread over at Todd's sleepy little site, mostly pointing and laughing... When I figured I had the hook set, I told teh Ball Cupping Story in a series of postings. The thread had a some hits, then several days before the event, somebody linked the thread to teh won at ST. The thread at Todd's site got 1500 hits in a day and I got dozens of angry e-mails... heh. And you noes me, awlways willing to spike teh ball. I made that shirt, based on the pic. Loaded up 5 cases of beer and won of soda and walked up the hill on the day of the event and passed out teh cold drinks... Sum thought it wus funny, sum just got straight up butthurtz. I had a fun day, got awl drunk, did sum climbing and saw a bunch of old friends from the way back.

Here is the cut and pasted story.



"So I went down to Woodson Brokeback mountan this past weekend, to see what all the fuss was about.

What a mess.

I sat in my car watching the scene on the street for a while. The Ball cuppers would roll up, jump out of their cars and begin cupping themselves. When another cupper would arrive, they would walk up to greet each other, shaking with won hand and cupping with the other. Sometime they would also kiss each other on the lips, and I swear I saw some of the gayer won slipping each other the tounge. Afterward, holding each others hands, they would swish up the trail to Brokeback mountain, where the real Ball Cupping would occur.

After watching the street for about an hour, it seemed like most the Ball Cuppers that were going to cum, had arrived, shot loads all over each other and walked up. I figured it was time to see what the Ball Cuppers were actually doing on Brokeback Mountain.

I hadn't noticed it before, but as I crossed the street I slipped and almost fell, the fuking street was covered in jizz. At first I thought it might be hard to figure out where the Ball Cupper had gone, it's a big mountain, soon it became clear, just follow the snail trail.

As I headed up Brokeback mountain the snail trail became a stream of jizz ozzing down the road. I donned my waterproofs and rubber ducky boots, I didn't really want to get soaked. I could tell I was getting close, the stream of jizz had becume a river and there was some sort of geyser, down behind some boulders, shooting loads up into the sky. Finaly, I found a high spot up on a boulder, where I watch the Ball Cupping Frenzy. Luckly I had my umbrella, the sky was still raining droplets of seman. Still I can't believe what I saw....


later, I would use several gallons of eye bleach to try to sear the image of what I saw that day.

The Ball Cuppers had, cleared an area between several large boulders and had formed some sort of Ball Cupping pool. There were dozens of them, all splashing and frolicking in the pool of jizz. It was like a gay bath house down there. Soon the head Ball Cupper arrived, clad only in a pair of tight leather crotchless chaps. He stood above the pool of jizz, arms outstretched to the sky as several of the slightly more blorted Ball Cuppers... well, you know, cupped his balls.

I reconized the Ball Cupper in the chaps from the way back. He was pretty gud back then and it looked like he hadn't blorted up like most of the other ball cuppers. I figured, he could likely still do a move or too, though I never really did see any climbing going on that day.... just a bunch of Ball Cupping.

When the head Ball Cupper lowered his arms, a hush came over the crowd. I new something was going to happen... but what? I thought, nothing could be sicker than what I had already witnessed...

I was RONG!

I wasn't close enough to hear what was being said but suddenly Blorted Ball Cuppers started beaching themselves, face down, belly flopping themselve on to the banks of the pool of jizz.

Then these guys arrived....

[IMG]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/allwashedup/bc.jpg[/IMG]

I'd seen enough, I had a gud idea what was going to happen to those blorted, beached whales. I slid off the back of the boulder and hussled down the mountain. The screams cumming from the jizz pool, sounded like baby seals being clubed to death. I turned up my i-pod and just tried to forget everything, I had seen and heard. Halfway down, I saw a guy walking up. Even though my eyes weren't gud enough to see who it was, I knew he was won of them, cuz he had won of those mattresses use for gay sex straped on his back.

As I got closer, I realized I knew this guy. Hadn't seen him in 20 years, still I knew and had climbed with this guy from the way back. FUK!!! What to do? OK, just play it cool, Hey...

Before I new it, this guy had his hand out to shake and his other hand in my pants cupping me. I just stood there stunned. In his eyes, I could see something was rong. I wanted to be polite, didn't want to hurt his feelings and I wanted to get the fuk out of there. I swear to god, it was just the back of my hand and I swear, it was on the outside of his pants, but I gave him a gentle nudge. Looking down at my bare wrist, I pulled the old 'Look at the time, got to go routine', and I was out of there."

http://www.joshuatreeclimb.com/....pl?num=1264226609/0

Hah! That story still makes me want to cup your balls.

Invaluable without pictures!

I bet Jack would take a polaroid.


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Big night owt? You guys look horrible....

Why didn't get black guy dress up?.....omg SO fucking kidding.


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THIS

Fuckin' catchy as hell.


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Big night owt? You guys look horrible....

Why didn't get black guy dress up?.....omg SO fucking kidding.

RACIST!


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Dang donny.... *nods and places a chalk mark in DD's column*

You incorporated several key elements, humor, historical reference, and a jab at major idiot. Gud won.
CdB!!! C 'em harddd!!!!
Heh, I googled "ball cupping" and "double ball cupping" hoping to get a really nasty pic to editz some bleeps onto and post up here, but look what came up!



[image]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/allwashedup/Ballcuppingatwoodson1.jpg[/image]

heh.... yea that won kinda got some of the old guy's panties in a bunch.... Funny thing is, most of them were guy's I knew back in teh way old, when we were awl learning to climb. I just think some of them, forgot what it wus like, when we were awl young and wild.

Or perhaps they've just forgot what humor is.

Yea, that's kinda what I wus trying to say...

butt more importantly, Why you has to cheesetit teh Ball Cupping Shirt? Why?

OK now this is even funnier. Turns out the random ball cupping shirt is actuall Jack's.
Small world.

You really need to try keeping up Dubble D.
Yea something.
Jack's pic, you can see its him.
Sunny's picture, I had no idea.
Sew ya, I kneeds two keep up.

*nervously looking back over my shoulder*

You can reconize me from the back of my neck? So how long have you been stalking me and staring at my ass? Do I need to get a restraining order?



I suppose it couldn't hurt to tell you the back story...

In the weeks before the Woodson Ball Cupping Reunion, teh gays over at ST had this stupid thread about the event, so I started a mocking thread over at Todd's sleepy little site, mostly pointing and laughing... When I figured I had the hook set, I told teh Ball Cupping Story in a series of postings. The thread had a some hits, then several days before the event, somebody linked the thread to teh won at ST. The thread at Todd's site got 1500 hits in a day and I got dozens of angry e-mails... heh. And you noes me, awlways willing to spike teh ball. I made that shirt, based on the pic. Loaded up 5 cases of beer and won of soda and walked up the hill on the day of the event and passed out teh cold drinks... Sum thought it wus funny, sum just got straight up butthurtz. I had a fun day, got awl drunk, did sum climbing and saw a bunch of old friends from the way back.

Here is the cut and pasted story.



"So I went down to Woodson Brokeback mountan this past weekend, to see what all the fuss was about.

What a mess.

I sat in my car watching the scene on the street for a while. The Ball cuppers would roll up, jump out of their cars and begin cupping themselves. When another cupper would arrive, they would walk up to greet each other, shaking with won hand and cupping with the other. Sometime they would also kiss each other on the lips, and I swear I saw some of the gayer won slipping each other the tounge. Afterward, holding each others hands, they would swish up the trail to Brokeback mountain, where the real Ball Cupping would occur.

After watching the street for about an hour, it seemed like most the Ball Cuppers that were going to cum, had arrived, shot loads all over each other and walked up. I figured it was time to see what the Ball Cuppers were actually doing on Brokeback Mountain.

I hadn't noticed it before, but as I crossed the street I slipped and almost fell, the fuking street was covered in jizz. At first I thought it might be hard to figure out where the Ball Cupper had gone, it's a big mountain, soon it became clear, just follow the snail trail.

As I headed up Brokeback mountain the snail trail became a stream of jizz ozzing down the road. I donned my waterproofs and rubber ducky boots, I didn't really want to get soaked. I could tell I was getting close, the stream of jizz had becume a river and there was some sort of geyser, down behind some boulders, shooting loads up into the sky. Finaly, I found a high spot up on a boulder, where I watch the Ball Cupping Frenzy. Luckly I had my umbrella, the sky was still raining droplets of seman. Still I can't believe what I saw....


later, I would use several gallons of eye bleach to try to sear the image of what I saw that day.

The Ball Cuppers had, cleared an area between several large boulders and had formed some sort of Ball Cupping pool. There were dozens of them, all splashing and frolicking in the pool of jizz. It was like a gay bath house down there. Soon the head Ball Cupper arrived, clad only in a pair of tight leather crotchless chaps. He stood above the pool of jizz, arms outstretched to the sky as several of the slightly more blorted Ball Cuppers... well, you know, cupped his balls.

I reconized the Ball Cupper in the chaps from the way back. He was pretty gud back then and it looked like he hadn't blorted up like most of the other ball cuppers. I figured, he could likely still do a move or too, though I never really did see any climbing going on that day.... just a bunch of Ball Cupping.

When the head Ball Cupper lowered his arms, a hush came over the crowd. I new something was going to happen... but what? I thought, nothing could be sicker than what I had already witnessed...

I was RONG!

I wasn't close enough to hear what was being said but suddenly Blorted Ball Cuppers started beaching themselves, face down, belly flopping themselve on to the banks of the pool of jizz.

Then these guys arrived....

[IMG]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/allwashedup/bc.jpg[/IMG]

I'd seen enough, I had a gud idea what was going to happen to those blorted, beached whales. I slid off the back of the boulder and hussled down the mountain. The screams cumming from the jizz pool, sounded like baby seals being clubed to death. I turned up my i-pod and just tried to forget everything, I had seen and heard. Halfway down, I saw a guy walking up. Even though my eyes weren't gud enough to see who it was, I knew he was won of them, cuz he had won of those mattresses use for gay sex straped on his back.

As I got closer, I realized I knew this guy. Hadn't seen him in 20 years, still I knew and had climbed with this guy from the way back. FUK!!! What to do? OK, just play it cool, Hey...

Before I new it, this guy had his hand out to shake and his other hand in my pants cupping me. I just stood there stunned. In his eyes, I could see something was rong. I wanted to be polite, didn't want to hurt his feelings and I wanted to get the fuk out of there. I swear to god, it was just the back of my hand and I swear, it was on the outside of his pants, but I gave him a gentle nudge. Looking down at my bare wrist, I pulled the old 'Look at the time, got to go routine', and I was out of there."

http://www.joshuatreeclimb.com/....pl?num=1264226609/0

Hah! That story still makes me want to cup your balls.

Invaluable without pictures!

I bet Jack would take a polaroid.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.


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THIS

Fuckin' catchy as hell.

fucking so sweet


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Kartessa wrote:
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You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.

You were doing it wrong on an epic level.


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You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.

You were doing it wrong on an epic level.

I must agree. It's the participatory, you say dumb shit/I say dumb shit, give and take aspect that makes this site at all bearable.


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How many times do I have to scream "HARDER!" for you to believe me that I'm trying as hard as I can to get my PC up?!
For me a couple more times.
Everyone else.
I think they want to hear it all day, all week.

HARDER! HARDER! HARDER!

Happy Now?
Oh yea.
Meeting's done.

Although just before the meeting it was confirmed.
Graves for Donny boy next week.

Much time for the ++ on the late shift?


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My second tank of gas in the mazda 3 got 41.5 mpg. Quite pleased with that. EPA is about 32 for 50/50, and I'm probably more like 30% city and 70% highway.

!!!

Thats intense dude, and awesome. You literaly get 3 times the MPG I do. Mad

You have a Mazda 3 too? That's weird!

I'm damn sure thinking about buying one now.

Taking into account both (North American) engine sizes (2.0L and 2.3L) + the mazda 3 speed, both manual and automatic transmissions, and all the years (2004-2010), only about 15% of respondents on Mazda3Forum's MPG thread receive greater than 30 MPG.

It's not really the car itself, it's the way I drive it. YMMV, literally.

Also, along these lines, at least one person has cranked as much as 50 mpg out of a ford ranger (about 19 mpg estimated EPA?) by driving it just right. You'd be floored by what some people can do with a hybrid...Honda Insight: 150 mpg. Ford Escape: 70 mpg. Those are tank-long numbers, too.

Thats damn impressive.

I really am thinking about picking up a car for climbing trips though. The truck doesn't seat enough and the MPG = 14 so it's about the worst one could do for 6 hour roundtrips every weekend.

Problem is, I've still got a mountain of post housing market collapse business debt I was stupid enough had to be a personal guarantor on, so I'm hard pressed to justify owning two vehicles and two insurance policies right now.

The logical thing to do would be to sell the truck but it's so damn useful.

Its amazing the way you can vary the gas mileage of a vehicle just by the way you drive. My 600cc triumph sportbike can get anywhere from the low twenties, to high fifty mpg easily. I'm sure if I actually tried I could get way up there...

Car/truck dilemma, bummer. I was in the motorcycle/car version, its going to be a cold winter.

I've contemplated a bike too but it only helps me with the MPG though. The partners are still SOL and I need them.


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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++
++

Seriously?

Jeluz.

Iz O K.

Manny jeluz pplz here of for to make me.

Did you give Subwhateverhisname your password?

I found a conspiracy.

Subantz - t = subanz
subanz - s = ubanz
ubanz + " " = u banz

!!!!!!

Inconceivable!


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Speaking of Craigslist, did you guys hear they closed down the "Adult Services" section of their site!

WTF man, now where am I supposed to go to find a good rub & tug when I'm traveling?

I might have to start a whole thread about this. I can't believe they caved to the pressure like that. Weak sauce for sure.

[pouty face]

Rub-N-Tugs-R-Uz

Tell me more


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yall are weak on the pci-ing today noobs.

*Skimming*


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spikeddem wrote:
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thiiiis is howwwww we dooo itttttttttt

a little ++ here

a little ++ there

we love ++

go ahead and trust us

cuz when it comes to NA

his pc is like his dress size: double plus plus

It's been some years since I've worn a dress but I don't think thats right.

Well, about the PC it is but not so much the dress.


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notapplicable wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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++
++

Seriously?

Jeluz.

Iz O K.

Manny jeluz pplz here of for to make me.

Did you give Subwhateverhisname your password?

I found a conspiracy.

Subantz - t = subanz
subanz - s = ubanz
ubanz + " " = u banz

!!!!!!

Inconceivable!

fucking mods


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Summer Rocks!

Took a month of "Mental Stress Leave" and then quit my job when I got back so I managed to do 20+ days at rattlesnake point, 10 days at mt nemo, 2 trips to the Glen, 2 to Metcalfe, 2 to Jordan Harbour, and one 3-day excursion to the New.

Would have gone out more but alas, having a kiddo takes time and money too Smile

Good thing I dont gots a man or I would have spent the summer doing things he liked instead of what's really important.

Not bad at all. You got quite a bit more done than all of my friends with kids put together.

Yeah, my roadie days were last year, so I haven't gotten that kind of mileage either. I got a bit of climbing done this summer though. I'm heading out for a bit of that soloing they do with the top ropes (not a free soloist ovah heah) since I can't find any fuckers that climb during the week.

You gotta break out the solo gear now and again. It hasn't seen much action this year but the last two years the old Petzle Basic was pretty much my most reliable belay slave.

It was grate! You really get into the groove when you do a lot of laps too. I think I'll start bringing it out to the crag with partners just to burn out at the end of they day, so we can concentrate on drinking beerz.

Yeah sometimes it's nice to just climb as much as you want, when you want and not have to deal with all the other stuff that comes with partners. I like to listen to music while I'm solo too because thats not something will do with a partner.


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Hey guys, CI got the PTFTW.

And subsequently deleted it?

Or was I skimming a bit too fast.


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Homemade stopper

That thing would hold a truck!


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GU'd?

Wassdat?

It's an idiom stolen borrowed from the mother of all ++ threads.

We are just posers here.


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PTFTW
(free solo - no pro)

Fine style!


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MVP goes to spikeddem for the day today.

This is actually correct.


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spikeddem wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.
There is something that needs to be said here.
And no one noticed it.
So it is left to me to say it.
Useless with out pictures.




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And one for K




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Sungam lives his life one sheep at a time.

Q: How does Sungam find his sheep in tall grass?

A: VERY PLEASUREABLE!

Ahhhhh sheep fucker jokes, they never get old!

...and why does haggis fuck 'em on the edge of cliffs?

Coz they push back harder!

Life on the edge is wild and wooly.


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Should be a fun 30min motorcycle ride in the rain to work tomorrow at 7am.

Thats the downside in action


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Well that was weird, was on this page, bumped the mouse, next thing I know I'm in "you are not wanted here." Seems as though I am...

Oi, I think its time for bed.

Yes it is. One page to go...


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Seriously?

Jeluz.

Iz O K.

Manny jeluz pplz here of for to make me.

Did you give Subwhateverhisname your password?

I found a conspiracy.

Subantz - t = subanz
subanz - s = ubanz
ubanz + " " = u banz

!!!!!!

Inconceivable!

fucking mods

I'd pay money to see that.


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WOO!!


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WOO!!

Although I'm not diggin the whole smooth shaven thing.


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WOO!!

Although I'm not diggin the whole smooth shaven thing.

Kind of metro IYAM


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You my friend, are a sick bastard, not what I wanted to see this early in tha morning(or ever for that matter).


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You my friend, are a sick bastard, not what I wanted to see this early in tha morning(or ever for that matter).

INRTTAWT

im not reading this thread at work tomorrow


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You my friend, are a sick bastard, not what I wanted to see this early in tha morning(or ever for that matter).

INRTTAWT

im not reading this thread at work tomorrow

today***


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Thanks man... you're too kind.


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You're PC is lacking this morning... looks like I'm gonna have to take up the slack


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You're PC is lacking this morning... looks like I'm gonna have to take up the slack

A rock makes an excellent puppy.
They're practically almost the same.
Except that a puppy's rambunctious;
a rock is a little more tame.


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You're PC is lacking this morning... looks like I'm gonna have to take up the slack

A rock makes an excellent puppy.
They're practically almost the same.
Except that a puppy's rambunctious;
a rock is a little more tame.

It's true that a rock's not as hyper.
It may not chase after a ball.
And, often as not, when you call it,
it won't even hear you at all.


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You're PC is lacking this morning... looks like I'm gonna have to take up the slack

A rock makes an excellent puppy.
They're practically almost the same.
Except that a puppy's rambunctious;
a rock is a little more tame.

It's true that a rock's not as hyper.
It may not chase after a ball.
And, often as not, when you call it,
it won't even hear you at all.

And maybe it doesn't roll over,
and isn't excited to play,
but rocks always sit when you tell them,
and rocks really know how to stay.


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You're PC is lacking this morning... looks like I'm gonna have to take up the slack

A rock makes an excellent puppy.
They're practically almost the same.
Except that a puppy's rambunctious;
a rock is a little more tame.

It's true that a rock's not as hyper.
It may not chase after a ball.
And, often as not, when you call it,
it won't even hear you at all.

And maybe it doesn't roll over,
and isn't excited to play,
but rocks always sit when you tell them,
and rocks really know how to stay.

It may sleep a little bit longer.
It probably eats a bit less.
But rocks never pee on the carpet.
You won't have to pick up their mess.


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You're PC is lacking this morning... looks like I'm gonna have to take up the slack

A rock makes an excellent puppy.
They're practically almost the same.
Except that a puppy's rambunctious;
a rock is a little more tame.

It's true that a rock's not as hyper.
It may not chase after a ball.
And, often as not, when you call it,
it won't even hear you at all.

And maybe it doesn't roll over,
and isn't excited to play,
but rocks always sit when you tell them,
and rocks really know how to stay.

It may sleep a little bit longer.
It probably eats a bit less.
But rocks never pee on the carpet.
You won't have to pick up their mess.

So go ask your folks for a puppy,
and possibly that's what you'll get.
But, still, if you can't have a puppy,
a rock is a pretty good pet.


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
You're PC is lacking this morning... looks like I'm gonna have to take up the slack

A rock makes an excellent puppy.
They're practically almost the same.
Except that a puppy's rambunctious;
a rock is a little more tame.

It's true that a rock's not as hyper.
It may not chase after a ball.
And, often as not, when you call it,
it won't even hear you at all.

And maybe it doesn't roll over,
and isn't excited to play,
but rocks always sit when you tell them,
and rocks really know how to stay.

It may sleep a little bit longer.
It probably eats a bit less.
But rocks never pee on the carpet.
You won't have to pick up their mess.

So go ask your folks for a puppy,
and possibly that's what you'll get.
But, still, if you can't have a puppy,
a rock is a pretty good pet.

It doesn't annoy you with barking;
it quietly sits on a shelf.
A rock makes an excellent puppy.
That's what I keep telling myself.


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climbed last night. my left index finger looks like a topographical map. i had a blister rip open, and the skin beneath that tore open too. looks cool.

Nice, I was just thinking about how much I wanna hurl, then I read your message... Really helps to think about your nasty fingers.

I'd rather not know where they've been

His name is Al, and that was more than a finger up there.
And you were his bodyguard? Cool


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Summer Rocks!

Took a month of "Mental Stress Leave" and then quit my job when I got back so I managed to do 20+ days at rattlesnake point, 10 days at mt nemo, 2 trips to the Glen, 2 to Metcalfe, 2 to Jordan Harbour, and one 3-day excursion to the New.

Would have gone out more but alas, having a kiddo takes time and money too Smile

Good thing I dont gots a man or I would have spent the summer doing things he liked instead of what's really important.

Not bad at all. You got quite a bit more done than all of my friends with kids put together.

Yeah, my roadie days were last year, so I haven't gotten that kind of mileage either. I got a bit of climbing done this summer though. I'm heading out for a bit of that soloing they do with the top ropes (not a free soloist ovah heah) since I can't find any fuckers that climb during the week.

You gotta break out the solo gear now and again. It hasn't seen much action this year but the last two years the old Petzle Basic was pretty much my most reliable belay slave.

It was grate! You really get into the groove when you do a lot of laps too. I think I'll start bringing it out to the crag with partners just to burn out at the end of they day, so we can concentrate on drinking beerz.

Yeah sometimes it's nice to just climb as much as you want, when you want and not have to deal with all the other stuff that comes with partners. I like to listen to music while I'm solo too because thats not something will do with a partner.

Yeah, that's what I was doing. I was working a harder climb and when I hung I'd just rock out for a little bit, no pressure to send or whatever.


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GU'd?

Wassdat?

It's an idiom stolen borrowed from the mother of all ++ threads.

We are just posers here.

That's true, but Jebus Bomz forgives ewe.


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uhmm zeke, I saw what you deleated did there.


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I'm excited about The Town coming out this weekend.

Hell, even Ben's performance is getting good reviews. It would appear we have entered some alternative universe but I'm stoked none the less!

Woo!!

Heist/Crime Drama = favorite genre

One reviewer said it's as if Heat and The Departed had a baby and it's name was The Town.

they filmed that at fenway park, right next door to where I worked. i heard machine gun fire at my desk for about a month. he also took away the street i walk to work on because they were filming on it. this was the second time ben afleck fucked me over. the first was while climbing at a local quarry that was used in the film gone baby gone.


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I was 36 pages behind before ^^ that post. now i'm 17(ish)


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I was 36 pages behind before ^^ that post. now i'm 17(ish)

Well then, as everyone seems to like telling me: TRY HARDER


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Alpine07 wrote:
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MVP goes to spikeddem for the day today.

Nothing quite like awarding yourself eh?

My congrats, that was quite the bit of pc++ there. I'm impressed.
Hey, its alpine007
*waves*

Hey! Its been a while since I've wandered these parts. How goes it?
Well.
Trust the same out your way.


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You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.

You were doing it wrong on an epic level.

What is funny, is the number of new posters since Kart has been joining our little fun.


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How many times do I have to scream "HARDER!" for you to believe me that I'm trying as hard as I can to get my PC up?!
For me a couple more times.
Everyone else.
I think they want to hear it all day, all week.

HARDER! HARDER! HARDER!

Happy Now?
Oh yea.
Meeting's done.

Although just before the meeting it was confirmed.
Graves for Donny boy next week.

Much time for the ++ on the late shift?
Usually a lot of time. But not to many to banter back and forth with.
Talking to myself is not so much fun.


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uhmm zeke, I saw what you deleated did there.

I don't know what you're talking about. Meh. Okay, I'm caught. I decided there didn't need to be any more fuel in that particular fire. That inferno is pretty boring for all at this point.


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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.
There is something that needs to be said here.
And no one noticed it.
So it is left to me to say it.
Useless with out pictures.

[image]http://mikedoe.net/storage/main/Hottie_Party_Girl_Shopping_No_Panties.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1234218483425[/image]
Little red x for me. Prolly best as I'm at work.
Note to self, log in at home later.


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And one for K

[image]http://www.sexymensunderwear.net/images/sinuous_semi_bikini_02.jpg[/image]
Then again may not....


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You my friend, are a sick bastard, not what I wanted to see this early in tha morning(or ever for that matter).
Mad
+1
Mad


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I was 36 pages behind before ^^ that post. now i'm 17(ish)

Well then, as everyone seems to like telling me: TRY HARDER

as the founder of this thread I do say that...


you are correct...Unsure


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12 straight days of climbing...and I feel pretty good.


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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.


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12 straight days of climbing...and I feel pretty good.

in fact, I was climbing harder at the end than in the beginning, even though my forearms and legs were HURTIN'!


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12 straight days of climbing...and I feel pretty good.

in fact, I was climbing harder at the end than in the beginning, even though my forearms and legs were HURTIN'!

Well done, and welcome back.


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I was 36 pages behind before ^^ that post. now i'm 17(ish)
skims


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12 straight days of climbing...and I feel pretty good.

in fact, I was climbing harder at the end than in the beginning, even though my forearms and legs were HURTIN'!

Well done, and welcome back.

thanks. lots of catching up to do. you folks were busy. good job to all of you.


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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Kartessa will be pleased about this.

More seriously though, I just have no clue. I can say this though: either I'll be totally free or I won't be able to really go for any of it regardless of time. It depends on grad school stuff AND work stuff. Either place works well for me: I'm down for trad or sport, crack or face. Additionally, I've only spent one day at each destination, so I'm not too worried about trying to balance it out or anything.

If I HAD to make a decision, I'd say NRG. That being said, if anyone has a real preference for RRG, I'd be totally fine with that, too.


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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Kartessa will be pleased about this.

More seriously though, I just have no clue. I can say this though: either I'll be totally free or I won't be able to really go for any of it regardless of time. It depends on grad school stuff AND work stuff. Either place works well for me: I'm down for trad or sport, crack or face. Additionally, I've only spent one day at each destination, so I'm not too worried about trying to balance it out or anything.

If I HAD to make a decision, I'd say NRG. That being said, if anyone has a real preference for RRG, I'd be totally fine with that, too.

Flexibility is never a bad thing.


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donald949 wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.

You were doing it wrong on an epic level.

What is funny, is the number of new posters since Kart has been joining our little fun.

I'm glad to be bringing all the weirdos out of the woodwork


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Kartessa will be pleased about this.

More seriously though, I just have no clue. I can say this though: either I'll be totally free or I won't be able to really go for any of it regardless of time. It depends on grad school stuff AND work stuff. Either place works well for me: I'm down for trad or sport, crack or face. Additionally, I've only spent one day at each destination, so I'm not too worried about trying to balance it out or anything.

If I HAD to make a decision, I'd say NRG. That being said, if anyone has a real preference for RRG, I'd be totally fine with that, too.

Flexibility is never a bad thing.

There is more bolded, too.


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You my friend, are a sick bastard, not what I wanted to see this early in tha morning(or ever for that matter).

And yet you can't look away...

Funny how that works


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Thanks man... you're too kind.

Wink


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Kartessa will be pleased about this.

More seriously though, I just have no clue. I can say this though: either I'll be totally free or I won't be able to really go for any of it regardless of time. It depends on grad school stuff AND work stuff. Either place works well for me: I'm down for trad or sport, crack or face. Additionally, I've only spent one day at each destination, so I'm not too worried about trying to balance it out or anything.

If I HAD to make a decision, I'd say NRG. That being said, if anyone has a real preference for RRG, I'd be totally fine with that, too.

Flexibility is never a bad thing.

There is more bolded, too.

Yah, I saw that... not commenting


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uhmm zeke, I saw what you deleated did there.

FUCK


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I'm excited about The Town coming out this weekend.

Hell, even Ben's performance is getting good reviews. It would appear we have entered some alternative universe but I'm stoked none the less!

Woo!!

Heist/Crime Drama = favorite genre

One reviewer said it's as if Heat and The Departed had a baby and it's name was The Town.

they filmed that at fenway park, right next door to where I worked. i heard machine gun fire at my desk for about a month. he also took away the street i walk to work on because they were filming on it. this was the second time ben afleck fucked me over. the first was while climbing at a local quarry that was used in the film gone baby gone.

Heh. I remember you bitchin about that way back when.

Doesn't seem like this thread has been around that many years...


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How many times do I have to scream "HARDER!" for you to believe me that I'm trying as hard as I can to get my PC up?!
For me a couple more times.
Everyone else.
I think they want to hear it all day, all week.

HARDER! HARDER! HARDER!

Happy Now?
Oh yea.
Meeting's done.

Although just before the meeting it was confirmed.
Graves for Donny boy next week.

Much time for the ++ on the late shift?
Usually a lot of time. But not to many to banter back and forth with.
Talking to myself is not so much fun.

Posting to oneself is OK. It's when you start talking to yourself that you need to worry.


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I was 36 pages behind before ^^ that post. now i'm 17(ish)

It's ok, I didn't read skimmed most of the jiberish on pages 375 - 378 either.


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I was 36 pages behind before ^^ that post. now i'm 17(ish)

It's ok, I didn't read skimmed most of the jiberish on pages 375 - 378 either.

I'm sorry, were you looking for quality?


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uhmm zeke, I saw what you deleated did there.

I don't know what you're talking about. Meh. Okay, I'm caught. I decided there didn't need to be any more fuel in that particular fire. That inferno is pretty boring for all at this point.

THE NO POST DELETING BLAZE IS STILL RAGEING THOUGH!!! JACKASS!!!


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donald949 wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.
There is something that needs to be said here.
And no one noticed it.
So it is left to me to say it.
Useless with out pictures.

Little red x for me. Prolly best as I'm at work.
Note to self, log in at home later.

It's good, I'm excited for you to see it.


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And one for K

Then again may not....

This ones even better. Just you wait...


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12 straight days of climbing...and I feel pretty good.

Nice. I trust it didn't rain too much?


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12 straight days of climbing...and I feel pretty good.

Nice. I trust it didn't rain too much?

Or hurricane for that matter.


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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.


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12 straight days of climbing...and I feel pretty good.

Nice. I trust it didn't rain too much?

Or hurricane for that matter.

we got rained off once and hailed off another time, but both days were productive until the bailage took place. unfortunately, the hail storm got my new phone wet, which was the phone that replaced the one that I dropped in the drink a few weeks ago. I am not having luck with phones.


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I was 36 pages behind before ^^ that post. now i'm 17(ish)

It's ok, I didn't read skimmed most of the jiberish on pages 375 - 378 either.

I'm sorry, were you looking for quality?

*skimming*


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Kartessa wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
I was 36 pages behind before ^^ that post. now i'm 17(ish)

It's ok, I didn't read skimmed most of the jiberish on pages 375 - 378 either.

I'm sorry, were you looking for quality?

*skimming*

Skim This!


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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

I just PM'd him and told him to tune into page 381 of this thread. I think he's busy with school.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue


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Kartessa wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

Take pictures!


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Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.


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Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.


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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

Yeah, you've pretty much just painted yourself into an orgy. No getting out of it at this point, might as well be resigned to your fate, test the video camera, and bring a lot of lube.


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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

you may have just outed yourself right here. D'OH!


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Yeah, you've pretty much just painted yourself into an orgy. No getting out of it at this point, might as well be resigned to your fate, test the video camera, and bring a lot of lube.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

you may have just outed yourself right here. D'OH!

Yah, it happens... but now that Zeke has used the word Orgy and Lube, I suspect this thread will pick up.


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Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

you may have just outed yourself right here. D'OH!

Yah, it happens... but now that Zeke has used the word Orgy and Lube, I suspect this thread will pick up.

But yeah, If I have a babysitter for the weekend, whatever weekend it is, I can follow you boys around.


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Joel - 50/50 on either location
Brian - NRG either early in my trip or late
John - ?
Dina - babysitter required. Location / time frame?


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Joel - 50/50 on either location
Brian - NRG either early in my trip or late
John - ?
Dina - babysitter required. Location / time frame?
Zeke - present by live video feed / director


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Joel - 50/50 on either location
Brian - NRG either early in my trip or late
John - ?
Dina - babysitter required. Location / time frame?

For Location: I would prefer NRG (8hr drive instead of 10)
Time Frame: I'm Easy Tongue


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Joel - 50/50 on either location
Brian - NRG either early in my trip or late
John - ?
Dina - babysitter required. Location / time frame?
Zeke - present by live video feed / director

I was thinking of a cardboard cutout with skype running in the background.


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Kartessa wrote:
I'm Easy

I believe we're banking on that actually...


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Joel - 50/50 on either location
Brian - NRG either early in my trip or late
John - ?
Dina - babysitter required. Location / time frame?
Zeke - present by live video feed / director

I was thinking of a cardboard cutout with skype running in the background.

This is correct.


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I'm Easy

I believe we're banking on that actually...

Wow, way to pull that right out of context...

You deserve an award




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I'm Easy

I believe we're banking on that actually...

If you're banking on it, I better be cashing in on it.


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I'm Easy

I believe we're banking on that actually...

Wow, way to pull that right out of context...

You deserve an award

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considering where the thread has been recently, I didn't see that as a problem at all. sorry!


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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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You guys are dissapointing me this afternoon... where is my entertainment?
Don't you know...



















We are not here to entertain you.
Mad

I said DANCE!

She does have a gun...

But no.

BANG BANG BANG!

Way to make a BS attemtp at PC++!
you've been posting here for a while, but your pc is only what 320? Are you sure the knob is keeping count correctly?

I've been posting for 2 weeks... Lurking for 2 years.

You were doing it wrong on an epic level.

What is funny, is the number of new posters since Kart has been joining our little fun.

I'm glad to be bringing all the weirdos out of the woodwork
Yea, you've brought out some weirdos too.
But their captian seams to have been locked up for a while.
Devil


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Kartessa will be pleased about this.

More seriously though, I just have no clue. I can say this though: either I'll be totally free or I won't be able to really go for any of it regardless of time. It depends on grad school stuff AND work stuff. Either place works well for me: I'm down for trad or sport, crack or face. Additionally, I've only spent one day at each destination, so I'm not too worried about trying to balance it out or anything.

If I HAD to make a decision, I'd say NRG. That being said, if anyone has a real preference for RRG, I'd be totally fine with that, too.

Flexibility is never a bad thing.

There is more bolded, too.

Yah, I saw that... not commenting
After everything you've posted you now have NO comment?


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Kartessa will be pleased about this.

More seriously though, I just have no clue. I can say this though: either I'll be totally free or I won't be able to really go for any of it regardless of time. It depends on grad school stuff AND work stuff. Either place works well for me: I'm down for trad or sport, crack or face. Additionally, I've only spent one day at each destination, so I'm not too worried about trying to balance it out or anything.

If I HAD to make a decision, I'd say NRG. That being said, if anyone has a real preference for RRG, I'd be totally fine with that, too.

Flexibility is never a bad thing.

There is more bolded, too.

Yah, I saw that... not commenting
After everything you've posted you now have NO comment?
Well I had no idea what to say either...


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uhmm zeke, I saw what you deleated did there.

I don't know what you're talking about. Meh. Okay, I'm caught. I decided there didn't need to be any more fuel in that particular fire. That inferno is pretty boring for all at this point.

THE NO POST DELETING BLAZE IS STILL RAGEING THOUGH!!! JACKASS!!!

I think they are commenting on another thread.
But otherwise give em ell.


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notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.
There is something that needs to be said here.
And no one noticed it.
So it is left to me to say it.
Useless with out pictures.

[image]http://mikedoe.net/storage/main/Hottie_Party_Girl_Shopping_No_Panties.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1234218483425[/image]
Little red x for me. Prolly best as I'm at work.
Note to self, log in at home later.

It's good, I'm excited for you to see it.
Jess as long as ur not too excited. Crazy


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And one for K

[image]http://www.sexymensunderwear.net/images/sinuous_semi_bikini_02.jpg[/image]
Then again may not....

This ones even better. Just you wait...

Um, no. This one is making it past the work filters FML. Unsure
I espicailly appreciated the post where it showed up 20 times.


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Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.
Someone's new sig?


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Interesting.


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Interesting.
Coming up on a milestone


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Interesting.
Coming up on a milestone
PC 5555 for me soon.


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Interesting.
Coming up on a milestone
PC 5555 for me soon.
And next on the thread is a PT


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PT5555FTW


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notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.


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notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

I just PM'd him and told him to tune into page 381 of this thread. I think he's busy with school.

I am busy with school. Right now, me and a friend are planning on heading up to the New the weekend of the 29th. If you end up going to the Red, we could just as easily go there.


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Kartessa will be pleased about this.

More seriously though, I just have no clue. I can say this though: either I'll be totally free or I won't be able to really go for any of it regardless of time. It depends on grad school stuff AND work stuff. Either place works well for me: I'm down for trad or sport, crack or face. Additionally, I've only spent one day at each destination, so I'm not too worried about trying to balance it out or anything.

If I HAD to make a decision, I'd say NRG. That being said, if anyone has a real preference for RRG, I'd be totally fine with that, too.

Flexibility is never a bad thing.

There is more bolded, too.

Yah, I saw that... not commenting
After everything you've posted you now have NO comment?
Well I had no idea what to say either...
I'm working on it


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Joel - 50/50 on either location
Brian - NRG either early in my trip or late
John - Oct 29 New, but maybe Red
Dina - babysitter required. Location / time frame?


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Joel - 50/50 on either location
Brian - NRG either early in my trip or late
John - Oct 29 New, but maybe Red
Dina - babysitter required. Location / time frame?

so maybe Red first and then the New? That way I can climb in the Red for a bit and then meet up with John on the 29th and Brian after that, with the others joining in as needed.

Hmmm...


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http://www.youtube.com/...W_nsyHakslg&NR=1

I really dig this one


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notapplicable wrote:
Alpine07 wrote:
Should be a fun 30min motorcycle ride in the rain to work tomorrow at 7am.

Thats the downside in action

Yes, only a slight one in my opinion. Riding in the rain is really pretty sweet, most of the time...


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You my friend, are a sick bastard, not what I wanted to see this early in tha morning(or ever for that matter).

And yet you can't look away...

Funny how that works

I'd have to turn the damn computer around, I saw it and starting scrolling in great haste, but alas, you posted that shit about 50 times!


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PT5555FTW

Congrats!


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Gotta love those commercial fire alarms that get canceled right upon arrival to the station...


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ICE!


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Soon


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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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I was 36 pages behind before ^^ that post. now i'm 17(ish)

It's ok, I didn't read skimmed most of the jiberish on pages 375 - 378 either.

I'm sorry, were you looking for quality?

*skimming*

Skim This!

Consider it done


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It's like a camel toe but on a man!

Is there a name for that? Other than hotness, I mean.




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Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
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Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

You just made Jacks hit list.


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

you may have just outed yourself right here. D'OH!

Yah, it happens... but now that Zeke has used the word Orgy and Lube, I suspect this thread will pick up.

But yeah, If I have a babysitter for the weekend, whatever weekend it is, I can follow you boys around.

You no shred the gnar?


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donald949 wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
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ptftw's are lame.

But I am lame...

Don't mind spike.
He's just mad I sniped the PT.

I'll get one... even if I have to spend all week at work on the PCI

Or get my PTFTW now?

Or now

Boo yeah Bitchez! Now I can go home content that I accomplished something :)
Enjoy your 1hour 45 min drive home. Mad

HA!

Unusually harsh from Donny, I like it!
Harsh how so?
Just razzing her about her commutte.

Harrrrrsh Pirate

I dont mind it now that the leaves are changing.

You old horn dog, you. Even getting turned on by leaves switching clothes.
A little projecting Spike?

Wow, GG to both of you. She clearly said she enjoys watching leaves changing. Puns FTMFL, I guess.
Well the Leaves changing pun I gots.
But she didn't say nothing about it turning her on. Sorry.

I figured you guys got it, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. She did, however, say that the drive is better with the leaves changing. Had she said "I get more turned on during my drive now that the leaves change," then it would have been her pun, not mine.

You done putting words in my mouth?

'cause there are way better things that belong thereTongue

I knew you weren't enough of a bitch to leave it at just that first sentence. Once I realized that, I GU'd your second sentence in my head.

I was gonna say "Chocolate bar" after that... but poop-eating jokes just aren't that funny. Especially when its about me eating poop.

yuk

You are such a boy.

My belayer said that the other day 'cause he saw my skivvies and they had holes.... and so did my pants, and my shirt, and my sweater... bra was tied on.
There is something that needs to be said here.
And no one noticed it.
So it is left to me to say it.
Useless with out pictures.

[image]http://mikedoe.net/storage/main/Hottie_Party_Girl_Shopping_No_Panties.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1234218483425[/image]
Little red x for me. Prolly best as I'm at work.
Note to self, log in at home later.

It's good, I'm excited for you to see it.
Jess as long as ur not too excited. Crazy

My excitement level is juuuuuust right.


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And one for K

Then again may not....

This ones even better. Just you wait...

Um, no. This one is making it past the work filters FML. Unsure
I espicailly appreciated the post where it showed up 20 times.

SlySlySly

It's like a RickRoll but for you eyes!


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PT5555FTW

Cherry!


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johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.


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johnwesely wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

I just PM'd him and told him to tune into page 381 of this thread. I think he's busy with school.

I am busy with school. Right now, me and a friend are planning on heading up to the New the weekend of the 29th. If you end up going to the Red, we could just as easily go there.

Fuckin hell dude. Your showing up the day after I leave for the Dominican. The gods are not smiling on the prospect of us climbing together this side of next spring...


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
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Joel - 50/50 on either location
Brian - NRG either early in my trip or late
John - Oct 29 New, but maybe Red
Dina - babysitter required. Location / time frame?

so maybe Red first and then the New? That way I can climb in the Red for a bit and then meet up with John on the 29th and Brian after that, with the others joining in as needed.

Hmmm...

That might work out pretty well.

My Ops Manager is gonna shit when I tell him I need time off the week after I get back but fuck it.


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notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

I just PM'd him and told him to tune into page 381 of this thread. I think he's busy with school.

I am busy with school. Right now, me and a friend are planning on heading up to the New the weekend of the 29th. If you end up going to the Red, we could just as easily go there.

Fuckin hell dude. Your showing up the day after I leave for the Dominican. The gods are not smiling on the prospect of us climbing together this side of next spring...

Frown


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notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.


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Dear Kartessa,

My final advice is to just treat the guy like a climbing partner, look for your beef jerky elsewhere. Maybe he likes you a lot as a friend/climbing partner and doesn't want to fuck it up. You're just focusing on him because he's there to focus on; there are plenty of guys who would rail you raw and with much less effort on your part.

Mister Manners

You were right! I need a nap now...


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notapplicable wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

you may have just outed yourself right here. D'OH!

Yah, it happens... but now that Zeke has used the word Orgy and Lube, I suspect this thread will pick up.

But yeah, If I have a babysitter for the weekend, whatever weekend it is, I can follow you boys around.

You no shred the gnar?

Sure will, I can shred like the boys.


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Lazlo wrote:
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I really dig this one

Excellent!

Can't wait to do that to my brothers laptop.


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Should be a fun 30min motorcycle ride in the rain to work tomorrow at 7am.

Thats the downside in action

Yes, only a slight one in my opinion. Riding in the rain is really pretty sweet, most of the time...

Interesting. I've never owned a bike so I can't comment from experience but it seems like it would suck to show up at whatever random destination you had and be half soaked.


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ICE!

Fuck yeah. I'm excited that winter is knockin on the door as we speak.

And I don't even climb the frozen stuff. I just like the cold!


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johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?


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Kartessa wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

you may have just outed yourself right here. D'OH!

Yah, it happens... but now that Zeke has used the word Orgy and Lube, I suspect this thread will pick up.

But yeah, If I have a babysitter for the weekend, whatever weekend it is, I can follow you boys around.

You no shred the gnar?

Sure will, I can shred like the boys.

Very good.

Not that that will be hard to do with this crowd, I don't think any of us pull down very hard. Well, John might. I seem to remember some semi-impressive grades popping up while reading skimming his Gunks TR.


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notapplicable wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

you may have just outed yourself right here. D'OH!

Yah, it happens... but now that Zeke has used the word Orgy and Lube, I suspect this thread will pick up.

But yeah, If I have a babysitter for the weekend, whatever weekend it is, I can follow you boys around.

You no shred the gnar?

Sure will, I can shred like the boys.

Very good.

Not that that will be hard to do with this crowd, I don't think any of us pull down very hard. Well, John might. I seem to remember some semi-impressive grades popping up while reading skimming his Gunks TR.

Although I did two hang (or was it three?) a .10b the other day, so I'm like super stoked about that!


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notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

you may have just outed yourself right here. D'OH!

Yah, it happens... but now that Zeke has used the word Orgy and Lube, I suspect this thread will pick up.

But yeah, If I have a babysitter for the weekend, whatever weekend it is, I can follow you boys around.

You no shred the gnar?

Sure will, I can shred like the boys.

Very good.

Not that that will be hard to do with this crowd, I don't think any of us pull down very hard. Well, John might. I seem to remember some semi-impressive grades popping up while reading skimming his Gunks TR.

Although I did two hang (or was it three?) a .10b the other day, so I'm like super stoked about that!

*swoon*


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notapplicable wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
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Gmburns2000 wrote:
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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.


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Should be a fun 30min motorcycle ride in the rain to work tomorrow at 7am.

Thats the downside in action

Yes, only a slight one in my opinion. Riding in the rain is really pretty sweet, most of the time...

Interesting. I've never owned a bike so I can't comment from experience but it seems like it would suck to show up at whatever random destination you had and be half soaked.

Yeah, it can suck, but if there is a chance of rain, I usually just throw some rain gear in my backpack... Or, I just get wet, its really become not such a big deal since it is my only vehicle. I rode all last winter too, that gets a bit exciting. I avoid the snow though, that doesn't go too well.


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ICE!

Fuck yeah. I'm excited that winter is knockin on the door as we speak.

And I don't even climb the frozen stuff. I just like the cold!

You're missing out dude.


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This is fantastic.

Anyone see that new show "man, woman, wild" or something like that? Discovery channel. Wow, horrible. Bear Grylls is so much more bamf.


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wi you no shred the gnar?...wi?

I cry myself to sleep at night pondering that very question.


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johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?


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ICE!

Fuck yeah. I'm excited that winter is knockin on the door as we speak.

And I don't even climb the frozen stuff. I just like the cold!

You're missing out dude.

So I've been told.

I can climb rock year round down my way so I've no need, really.


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This is fantastic.

Don't encourage him.


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notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?

I can do both, but Rumbling Bald is more of a winter destination.


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ICE!

Fuck yeah. I'm excited that winter is knockin on the door as we speak.

And I don't even climb the frozen stuff. I just like the cold!

lame


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.


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johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?

I can do both, but Rumbling Bald is more of a winter destination.

Weasly, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful granite friendship...


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ICE!

Fuck yeah. I'm excited that winter is knockin on the door as we speak.

And I don't even climb the frozen stuff. I just like the cold!

lame

Chilean summer FTW!!


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wi you no shred the gnar?...wi?

I cry myself to sleep at night pondering that very question.

Harden the fuck up!


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

She sounds pretty core. How many women have done all 7 at this point? Not many I think.


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johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?

I can do both, but Rumbling Bald is more of a winter destination.

Weasly, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful granite friendship...

That sounds so gneiss.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*


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ICE!

Fuck yeah. I'm excited that winter is knockin on the door as we speak.

And I don't even climb the frozen stuff. I just like the cold!

lame

Chilean summer FTW!!

for the mother fucking win at that.


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

She sounds pretty core. How many women have done all 7 at this point? Not many I think.

I guess this was a goal of hers. she just came down off everest a couple of months ago and has been spending a lot of time doing the radio / TV circuit in China. Just got back to the US a few weeks ago I guess.

I'm actually more curious about what she's got next for a goal.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

She sounds pretty core. How many women have done all 7 at this point? Not many I think.

I guess this was a goal of hers. she just came down off everest a couple of months ago and has been spending a lot of time doing the radio / TV circuit in China. Just got back to the US a few weeks ago I guess.

I'm actually more curious about what she's got next for a goal.

So she has sponsored trips and all at this point? Thats awesome.

Try and talk her in to doing the first female winter ascent of the Grand Traverse. I think it's only been done by two teams so far.


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

Nice! Its been way to long since I've been up to the North Conway area to climb.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You could onsight and solidify the grade!


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You could onsight and solidify the grade!

I'm pretty excited to see you crush that shit now. Gonna be shweeeeet!


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.
sounds good to me.


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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?

I can do both, but Rumbling Bald is more of a winter destination.

Weasly, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful granite friendship...

That sounds so gneiss.

Yes, yes it does.

I've all but resigned myself to selling my truck at this point so hopefully I will be able to go that far without breaking the bank here shortly.


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

Nice! Its been way to long since I've been up to the North Conway area to climb.

I've been there a fair amount being from New England, but it generally bores me. We're going because it is two hours for each of us. any other location would be more than that on either side for one of us.


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

She sounds pretty core. How many women have done all 7 at this point? Not many I think.

I guess this was a goal of hers. she just came down off everest a couple of months ago and has been spending a lot of time doing the radio / TV circuit in China. Just got back to the US a few weeks ago I guess.

I'm actually more curious about what she's got next for a goal.

So she has sponsored trips and all at this point? Thats awesome.

Try and talk her in to doing the first female winter ascent of the Grand Traverse. I think it's only been done by two teams so far.

not sure what her deal is or how she financed all of this. obviously it took a few years to complete, with everest being the final obstacle.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You could onsight and solidify the grade!

I'm pretty excited to see you crush that shit now. Gonna be shweeeeet!

yeah um...I'm not going to hold my breath.


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notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
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johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?

I can do both, but Rumbling Bald is more of a winter destination.

Weasly, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful granite friendship...

That sounds so gneiss.

Yes, yes it does.

I've all but resigned myself to selling my truck at this point so hopefully I will be able to go that far without breaking the bank here shortly.

And I think you're right. If memory serves, the picture I saw of shredded wheat had that distinct horizontal striping. Definitely Gneiss.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You could onsight and solidify the grade!

I'm pretty excited to see you crush that shit now. Gonna be shweeeeet!

yeah um...I'm not going to hold my breath.

3 hang?


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You could onsight and solidify the grade!

I'm pretty excited to see you crush that shit now. Gonna be shweeeeet!

yeah um...I'm not going to hold my breath.

3 hang?

gear or bolts?


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notapplicable wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?

I can do both, but Rumbling Bald is more of a winter destination.

Weasly, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful granite friendship...

That sounds so gneiss.

Yes, yes it does.

I've all but resigned myself to selling my truck at this point so hopefully I will be able to go that far without breaking the bank here shortly.

And I think you're right. If memory serves, the picture I saw of shredded wheat had that distinct horizontal striping. Definitely Gneiss.

Shredded Wheat is ridiculous. Best crack ever? Maybe.


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Frown <--- Sad Face

Just got spanked by a 10 today


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Couldn't pull the roof at the end, so I tried a TR


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...


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Hi Kartessa


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Hi Greg


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Hi NA


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In no particular order


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

omg intense. did u survive?


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Next weekend I'm just going camping, drinking and canoeing.

Mazinaw can wait Frown


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Oh! And John is here too. Hi, John!


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

omg intense. did u survive?

No, I now PC++ from beyond.


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Oh! And John is here too. Hi, John!

Everyone will be so jealous of your comma and exclamation point.


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

omg intense. did u survive?

No, I now PC++ from beyond.

I always knew this place would be hell for girls.


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Oh! And John is here too. Hi, John!

Everyone will be so jealous of your comma and exclamation point.

just a little Frown


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

omg intense. did u survive?

No, I now PC++ from beyond.

I always knew this place would be hell for girls.

It would be, if I was stuck in this forum for eternity


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Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

omg intense. did u survive?

No, I now PC++ from beyond.

I always knew this place would be hell for girls.

It would be, if I was stuck in this forum for eternity

Is this because you didn't get an exclamation point?


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spikeddem wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

omg intense. did u survive?

No, I now PC++ from beyond.

I always knew this place would be hell for girls.

It would be, if I was stuck in this forum for eternity

Is this because you didn't get an exclamation point?

An exclamation point would make my eternal damnation a little more tolerable.


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

Nice! Its been way to long since I've been up to the North Conway area to climb.

I've been there a fair amount being from New England, but it generally bores me. We're going because it is two hours for each of us. any other location would be more than that on either side for one of us.

Understandable, North Conway for me means close proximity to Huntington Ravine, and Cannon. Probly my two favorite spots in NH... Cathedral's not bad, though always crowded. Whitehorse is a bit scary...


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

omg intense. did u survive?

No, I now PC++ from beyond.

I always knew this place would be hell for girls.

It would be, if I was stuck in this forum for eternity

Is this because you didn't get an exclamation point?

An exclamation point would make my eternal damnation a little more tolerable.

Hi, Kartessa!


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I want to be get strong.


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

omg intense. did u survive?

No, I now PC++ from beyond.

I always knew this place would be hell for girls.

It would be, if I was stuck in this forum for eternity

Is this because you didn't get an exclamation point?

An exclamation point would make my eternal damnation a little more tolerable.

Hi, Kartessa!

Hi, Meddekips!


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

omg intense. did u survive?

No, I now PC++ from beyond.

I always knew this place would be hell for girls.

It would be, if I was stuck in this forum for eternity

Is this because you didn't get an exclamation point?

An exclamation point would make my eternal damnation a little more tolerable.

Hi, Kartessa!

Hi, Meddekips!

How're you, dear?


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I want to be get strong.

And, apparently, L2T.


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News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You could onsight and solidify the grade!

I'm pretty excited to see you crush that shit now. Gonna be shweeeeet!

yeah um...I'm not going to hold my breath.

3 hang?

gear or bolts?

Skim slower!


Alternately, see bold^^


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News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

Monies is good. Important even.

This probably means no NRG next month though. Eh?


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johnwesely wrote:
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johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?

I can do both, but Rumbling Bald is more of a winter destination.

Weasly, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful granite friendship...

That sounds so gneiss.

Yes, yes it does.

I've all but resigned myself to selling my truck at this point so hopefully I will be able to go that far without breaking the bank here shortly.

And I think you're right. If memory serves, the picture I saw of shredded wheat had that distinct horizontal striping. Definitely Gneiss.

Shredded Wheat is ridiculous. Best crack ever? Maybe.

It looks cherry, thats for sure.

Probably gonna be a 3 hang though...Pirate


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Frown <--- Sad Face

Just got spanked by a 10 today

OMG, you got spanked by a shirtless Brad Pitt??

[/jealouse face]


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I don't think there's an "e" in that^ word


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

BWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

I think the dangers of TRing are underestimated by many. Seriously.


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Hi NA

Thats me!


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Oh! And John is here too. Hi, John!

Everyone will be so jealous of your comma and exclamation point.

heh heh heh


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

omg intense. did u survive?

No, I now PC++ from beyond.

I always knew this place would be hell for girls.

It would be, if I was stuck in this forum for eternity

Just the thought of this makes me want to punch myself in the face.


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Just got back from The Town.

It was well put together and Affleck has a knack for creating an authentic look and feel in his characters and sets but the script was kind of weak. All the flaws were in the broad strokes of the plot but the details and dialogue were smart and well put together. The acting was good all around. The gun fights needed some work but they are difficult to shoot and hardly ever done well.

Worth watching for everyone. If you're a genre fan, go see it in the theater. If you're not, wait for DVD.


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Hi NA

Thats me!

YUP!


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

Nice! Its been way to long since I've been up to the North Conway area to climb.

I've been there a fair amount being from New England, but it generally bores me. We're going because it is two hours for each of us. any other location would be more than that on either side for one of us.

Understandable, North Conway for me means close proximity to Huntington Ravine, and Cannon. Probly my two favorite spots in NH... Cathedral's not bad, though always crowded. Whitehorse is a bit scary...

never made it to cannon this year, and I've never been to huntington ravine because I don't do the winter thing, so not having been to the latter isn't surprising, but I should have made one trip to cannon this year; I usually make two.


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Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

very good. now you can set aside said monies for RRG and / or NRG.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You could onsight and solidify the grade!

I'm pretty excited to see you crush that shit now. Gonna be shweeeeet!

yeah um...I'm not going to hold my breath.

3 hang?

gear or bolts?

Skim slower!


Alternately, see bold^^

7, maybe 8, hangs


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Just got back from The Town.

It was well put together and Affleck has a knack for creating an authentic look and feel in his characters and sets but the script was kind of weak. All the flaws were in the broad strokes of the plot but the details and dialogue were smart and well put together. The acting was good all around. The gun fights needed some work but they are difficult to shoot and hardly ever done well.

Worth watching for everyone. If you're a genre fan, go see it in the theater. If you're not, wait for DVD.

did you see me in the background behind fenway park? that was me giving everyone the finger. THAT WAS ME!!!! CoolCoolCool


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johnwesely wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
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Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?

I can do both, but Rumbling Bald is more of a winter destination.

Weasly, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful granite friendship...

That sounds so gneiss.

Yes, yes it does.

I've all but resigned myself to selling my truck at this point so hopefully I will be able to go that far without breaking the bank here shortly.

And I think you're right. If memory serves, the picture I saw of shredded wheat had that distinct horizontal striping. Definitely Gneiss.

Shredded Wheat is ridiculous. Best crack ever? Maybe.

It looks cherry, thats for sure.

Probably gonna be a 3 hang though...Pirate

Not if I teach you the super secret rest.


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12 straight days of climbing...and I feel pretty good.

You must have been taking it easy on some of them... most I've ever done was seven days straight.


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12 straight days of climbing...and I feel pretty good.

in fact, I was climbing harder at the end than in the beginning, even though my forearms and legs were HURTIN'!

Well done, and welcome back.

thanks. lots of catching up to do. you folks were busy. good job to all of you.

You will find a select few are responsible...


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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

How will they know you're a sprayer if you don't pull out?


...wait...


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I'm Easy

I believe we're banking on that actually...

Wow, way to pull that right out of context...

You deserve an award


I believe what he meant was "We will do you while you're sleeping"


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Interesting.
Coming up on a milestone
PC 5555 for me soon.

Gneiss werk.... I'm not too far off the big 10K


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ICE!

Fuck yeah. I'm excited that winter is knockin on the door as we speak.

And I don't even climb the frozen stuff. I just like the cold!

I'm glad winter is coming too.... it'll soon be under 90F in the days... and I'll be able to climb again.


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

She sounds pretty core. How many women have done all 7 at this point? Not many I think.

I guess this was a goal of hers. she just came down off everest a couple of months ago and has been spending a lot of time doing the radio / TV circuit in China. Just got back to the US a few weeks ago I guess.

I'm actually more curious about what she's got next for a goal.

Her next goal will be to try not to tie you off after hour two of your first lead of the day and head home...





Wink


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You guys should jump on Angel's Arete! That'll test your head game. It's 10a and gear.


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Frown <--- Sad Face

Just got spanked by a 10 today

OMG, you got spanked by a shirtless Brad Pitt??

[/jealouse face]

I wish I did... I'd be bad so much more often.


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I'm Easy

I believe we're banking on that actually...

Wow, way to pull that right out of context...

You deserve an award

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I believe what he meant was "We will do you while you're sleeping"

You really take the the fun out of everything.

Liquor works just as well.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You could onsight and solidify the grade!

I'm pretty excited to see you crush that shit now. Gonna be shweeeeet!

yeah um...I'm not going to hold my breath.

3 hang?

gear or bolts?

Skim slower!


Alternately, see bold^^

7, maybe 8, hangs

I can never hang more than 3 times. If I can't get it on my fourth try I will never get it and will leave it for another day.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You could onsight and solidify the grade!

I'm pretty excited to see you crush that shit now. Gonna be shweeeeet!

yeah um...I'm not going to hold my breath.

3 hang?

gear or bolts?

Skim slower!


Alternately, see bold^^

7, maybe 8, hangs

This is going to be embarrassing...

Cant wait!


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Just got back from The Town.

It was well put together and Affleck has a knack for creating an authentic look and feel in his characters and sets but the script was kind of weak. All the flaws were in the broad strokes of the plot but the details and dialogue were smart and well put together. The acting was good all around. The gun fights needed some work but they are difficult to shoot and hardly ever done well.

Worth watching for everyone. If you're a genre fan, go see it in the theater. If you're not, wait for DVD.

did you see me in the background behind fenway park? that was me giving everyone the finger. THAT WAS ME!!!! CoolCoolCool

I say that jackass. Ruined the WHOLE MOVIE.


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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?

I can do both, but Rumbling Bald is more of a winter destination.

Weasly, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful granite friendship...

That sounds so gneiss.

Yes, yes it does.

I've all but resigned myself to selling my truck at this point so hopefully I will be able to go that far without breaking the bank here shortly.

And I think you're right. If memory serves, the picture I saw of shredded wheat had that distinct horizontal striping. Definitely Gneiss.

Shredded Wheat is ridiculous. Best crack ever? Maybe.

It looks cherry, thats for sure.

Probably gonna be a 3 hang though...Pirate

Not if I teach you the super secret rest.

Very good. Cheating is one of my strong suits.


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Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
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Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

How will they know you're a sprayer if you don't pull out?


...wait...

SlySlySly


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You guys should jump on Angel's Arete! That'll test your head game. It's 10a and gear.

Read the description of that awhile back and was intrigued.

You have beta on super secret rests??


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Just got back from The Town.

It was well put together and Affleck has a knack for creating an authentic look and feel in his characters and sets but the script was kind of weak. All the flaws were in the broad strokes of the plot but the details and dialogue were smart and well put together. The acting was good all around. The gun fights needed some work but they are difficult to shoot and hardly ever done well.

Worth watching for everyone. If you're a genre fan, go see it in the theater. If you're not, wait for DVD.

did you see me in the background behind fenway park? that was me giving everyone the finger. THAT WAS ME!!!! CoolCoolCool

I sayw that jackass. Ruined the WHOLE MOVIE.

fix


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kachoong wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You guys should jump on Angel's Arete! That'll test your head game. It's 10a and gear.

Read the description of that awhile back and was intrigued.

You have beta on super secret rests??

You don't need rests... just go for it! Here's some gear beta though... from Jay.

Also, the old pin scar takes a 00 TCU.




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notapplicable wrote:
kachoong wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You guys should jump on Angel's Arete! That'll test your head game. It's 10a and gear.

Read the description of that awhile back and was intrigued.

You have beta on super secret rests??

You don't need rests... just go for it! Here's some gear beta though... from Jay.

Also, the old pin scar takes a 00 TCU.

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Me wants it


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kachoong wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
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Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You guys should jump on Angel's Arete! That'll test your head game. It's 10a and gear.

Read the description of that awhile back and was intrigued.

You have beta on super secret rests??

You don't need rests... just go for it! Here's some gear beta though... from Jay.

Also, the old pin scar takes a 00 TCU.


For the first time, I thought of an "old pin scar" as a nasty old vajeen. Then I saw it takes a 00 TCU. That's too bad for me, but just perfect for Sungam!


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kachoong wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
kachoong wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You guys should jump on Angel's Arete! That'll test your head game. It's 10a and gear.

Read the description of that awhile back and was intrigued.

You have beta on super secret rests??

You don't need rests... just go for it! Here's some gear beta though... from Jay.

Also, the old pin scar takes a 00 TCU.


Me wants it

You will not get until you stop cheesetitting the gnar.


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Kartessa wrote:
kachoong wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
kachoong wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You guys should jump on Angel's Arete! That'll test your head game. It's 10a and gear.

Read the description of that awhile back and was intrigued.

You have beta on super secret rests??

You don't need rests... just go for it! Here's some gear beta though... from Jay.

Also, the old pin scar takes a 00 TCU.

[image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/1/25521-largest_74227.jpg[/image]

Me wants it

You will not get until you stop cheesetitting the gnar.

I have no idea what that means, but it sounds really harsh.

Gimme.


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ICE!

Fuck yeah. I'm excited that winter is knockin on the door as we speak.

And I don't even climb the frozen stuff. I just like the cold!

You're missing out dude.

So I've been told.

I can climb rock year round down my way so I've no need, really.

I live closer to ice now. It feels very deja vu to say I still have no interest. I heard a great quote about ice climbing recently and can't quite remember it... something to the effect that it's a shitty way to train for real climbing.


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ICE!

Fuck yeah. I'm excited that winter is knockin on the door as we speak.

And I don't even climb the frozen stuff. I just like the cold!

You're missing out dude.

So I've been told.

I can climb rock year round down my way so I've no need, really.

I live closer to ice now. It feels very deja vu to say I still have no interest. I heard a great quote about ice climbing recently and can't quite remember it... something to the effect that it's a shitty way to train for real climbing.

We were pretty close to ice climbing that day on Peacemaker! Bbbrbrrrrr!!!


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

I got on some spurt this weekend. I thought hangdogging 12 trad on TR would have kept the guns in better shape. Think again! I made a mockery of a climb I thought would go easily. Then, in true sporto style, I sent that climb with the pre-hung draws. It was an old project from when I used to live around here years ago, so it was nice to finally dispatch it. Typically, it went when I finally wised up and realized, "oh, yeah, you just have to keep moving on sport climbs." Then, I made the slowest onsight of a really quality 5.10 trad route. I think my lead head is shit right now, onsighting is a very painful process. I really need to start committing more, is the lesson. I keep hanging around thinking through shit, making routes a couple of grades harder.


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notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

Mmmmm... fingers. I don't know NRG grading. The grading where I've moved is fairly stout. But I usually think grades are stout. Climbing is just hard.


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

You are your own worst enemy? Hope you're feeling alright.


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News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!


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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...

You are your own worst enemy? Hope you're feeling alright.

I am! Maybe soloing is safer for me Tongue


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Alpine07 wrote:
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ICE!

Fuck yeah. I'm excited that winter is knockin on the door as we speak.

And I don't even climb the frozen stuff. I just like the cold!

You're missing out dude.

So I've been told.

I can climb rock year round down my way so I've no need, really.

I live closer to ice now. It feels very deja vu to say I still have no interest. I heard a great quote about ice climbing recently and can't quite remember it... something to the effect that it's a shitty way to train for real climbing.

We were pretty close to ice climbing that day on Peacemaker! Bbbrbrrrrr!!!

It had all the elements.


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Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Am I being e-held-up??


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zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Am I being e-held-up??

PUT ALL YORE MONIES IN TEH PAY PAL, BITCH!!!


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spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Am I being e-held-up??

I prefer the "Stick-up"


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notapplicable wrote:
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johnwesely wrote:
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johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?

I can do both, but Rumbling Bald is more of a winter destination.

Weasly, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful granite friendship...

That sounds so gneiss.

Yes, yes it does.

I've all but resigned myself to selling my truck at this point so hopefully I will be able to go that far without breaking the bank here shortly.

And I think you're right. If memory serves, the picture I saw of shredded wheat had that distinct horizontal striping. Definitely Gneiss.

Shredded Wheat is ridiculous. Best crack ever? Maybe.

It looks cherry, thats for sure.

Probably gonna be a 3 hang though...Pirate

Not if I teach you the super secret rest.

Very good. Cheating is one of my strong suits.

It is not cheating if you are having fun.


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zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Am I being e-held-up??

PUT ALL YORE MONIES IN TEH PAY PAL, BITCH!!!

Should I skip the fraud protection??


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Am I being e-held-up??

I prefer the "Stick-up"

Blush


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johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Weasly went MIA about the same time you left for your trip.

Weasly has been doing schoolwork and school related activities from before sun up till sundown almost every day. He is even too busy for PCing his ++.

Suspected as much. Same shit happens to me at work sometimes, that shit comes in waves.

I am afraid this wave is lasting the entire semester. The bright spot is that I have Fridays off and people to climb with on the those Fridays.

Do you work weekends?

Nope.

Hmmmm, is your profile current? Still in Athens?

Can you do Looking Glass or Rumbling Bald?

I can do both, but Rumbling Bald is more of a winter destination.

Weasly, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful granite friendship...

That sounds so gneiss.

Yes, yes it does.

I've all but resigned myself to selling my truck at this point so hopefully I will be able to go that far without breaking the bank here shortly.

And I think you're right. If memory serves, the picture I saw of shredded wheat had that distinct horizontal striping. Definitely Gneiss.

Shredded Wheat is ridiculous. Best crack ever? Maybe.

It looks cherry, thats for sure.

Probably gonna be a 3 hang though...Pirate

Not if I teach you the super secret rest.

Very good. Cheating is one of my strong suits.

It is not cheating if you are having fun.

I see what you did there. That was good.


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zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Am I being e-held-up??

PUT ALL YORE MONIES IN TEH PAY PAL, BITCH!!!

Perhaps more effective with a mask.




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kachoong wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Am I being e-held-up??

PUT ALL YORE MONIES IN TEH PAY PAL, BITCH!!!

Perhaps more effective with a mask.


A koala wearing that mask would cease to be cute, IMHO. Frown


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spikeddem wrote:
kachoong wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Am I being e-held-up??

PUT ALL YORE MONIES IN TEH PAY PAL, BITCH!!!

Perhaps more effective with a mask.

[image]http://fullmoonmasks.com/library/MeatM1013.jpg[/image]

A koala wearing that mask would cease to be cute, IMHO. Frown

All depends on your tastes.


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Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.


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Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.


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Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.


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Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

Cute


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Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

Cute

How so?


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Hungry.


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Hungry.

vurry


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

Cute

How so?

Adorable how you're trying so hard to talk dirty to me Wink


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

Cute

How so?

Adorable how you're trying so hard to talk dirty to me Wink

I included a disclaimer about that already. This line of quotes is solely for rock climbing discussion.


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spikeddem wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

Cute

How so?

Adorable how you're trying so hard to talk dirty to me Wink

I included a disclaimer about that already. This line of quotes is solely for rock climbing discussion.

It came about because the others keep mentioning random 5.10 trad climbs. Considering that's my current on-sight limit for trad, it keeps stealing me away from work to check them out on MP Cool


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

Cute

How so?

Adorable how you're trying so hard to talk dirty to me Wink

I included a disclaimer about that already. This line of quotes is solely for rock climbing discussion.

It came about because the others keep mentioning random 5.10 trad climbs. Considering that's my current on-sight limit for trad, it keeps stealing me away from work to check them out on MP Cool

Maranatha at South Bridge and Remission at Diamond Point... do them!!!!


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

Cute

How so?

Adorable how you're trying so hard to talk dirty to me Wink

I included a disclaimer about that already. This line of quotes is solely for rock climbing discussion.

Your disclaimer didnt include the bit about crack and plugging


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

Nice! Its been way to long since I've been up to the North Conway area to climb.

I've been there a fair amount being from New England, but it generally bores me. We're going because it is two hours for each of us. any other location would be more than that on either side for one of us.

Understandable, North Conway for me means close proximity to Huntington Ravine, and Cannon. Probly my two favorite spots in NH... Cathedral's not bad, though always crowded. Whitehorse is a bit scary...

never made it to cannon this year, and I've never been to huntington ravine because I don't do the winter thing, so not having been to the latter isn't surprising, but I should have made one trip to cannon this year; I usually make two.

Even though you don't do the whole winter thing, its worth taking a trip to Huntington Ravine to do the Pinnacle Buttress, tis good times.




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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You guys should jump on Angel's Arete! That'll test your head game. It's 10a and gear.

Read the description of that awhile back and was intrigued.

You have beta on super secret rests??

You don't need rests... just go for it! Here's some gear beta though... from Jay.

Also, the old pin scar takes a 00 TCU.


That does look pretty sexy. Will have to get on that.

Bridge area IIRC.


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holy shit i totally geeked out in the computer/fightfightfight thread


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holy shit i totally geeked out in the computer/fightfightfight thread

I just went and checked, and yes, yes you did.


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This in particular, looks like a good idea.


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Kartessa wrote:
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Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

you may have just outed yourself right here. D'OH!

Yah, it happens... but now that Zeke has used the word Orgy and Lube, I suspect this thread will pick up.

But yeah, If I have a babysitter for the weekend, whatever weekend it is, I can follow you boys around.
You going to follow these boys around? Stalking like or puppy like?

In other news.

ONce your little dude gets a little older, he can just tag along.


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And one for K

sniped
Then again may not....

This ones even better. Just you wait...

Um, no. This one is making it past the work filters FML. Unsure
I espicailly appreciated the post where it showed up 20 times.

SlySlySly

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What was seen, cannot be unseen.


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My final advice is to just treat the guy like a climbing partner, look for your beef jerky elsewhere. Maybe he likes you a lot as a friend/climbing partner and doesn't want to fuck it up. You're just focusing on him because he's there to focus on; there are plenty of guys who would rail you raw and with much less effort on your part.

Mister Manners

You were right! I need a nap now...

I'll have to read today's post to see if more info was forth coming...


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notapplicable wrote:
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notapplicable wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

you may have just outed yourself right here. D'OH!

Yah, it happens... but now that Zeke has used the word Orgy and Lube, I suspect this thread will pick up.

But yeah, If I have a babysitter for the weekend, whatever weekend it is, I can follow you boys around.

You no shred the gnar?

Sure will, I can shred like the boys.

Very good.

Not that that will be hard to do with this crowd, I don't think any of us pull down very hard. Well, John might. I seem to remember some semi-impressive grades popping up while reading skimming his Gunks TR.

Although I did two hang (or was it three?) a .10b the other day, so I'm like super stoked about that!

Sprayer
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tripped on the first move, fell backwards, resprained my ankle, and clocked my head on a rock...
Ouch.
Looks like some time off is forthcoming, at least for the ankle?


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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Oh! And John is here too. Hi, John!

Everyone will be so jealous of your comma and exclamation point.

just a little Frown

Well, I didn't even get a nod.


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kachoong wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
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Interesting.
Coming up on a milestone
PC 5555 for me soon.

Gneiss werk.... I'm not too far off the big 10K

Looks to be coming soon.


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donald949 wrote:
kachoong wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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Interesting.
Coming up on a milestone
PC 5555 for me soon.

Gneiss werk.... I'm not too far off the big 10K

Looks to be coming soon.
You could do an AB. Dedicate a thread to 10K. And Stop at 9999


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donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
kachoong wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Interesting.
Coming up on a milestone
PC 5555 for me soon.

Gneiss werk.... I'm not too far off the big 10K

Looks to be coming soon.
You could do an AB. Dedicate a thread to 10K. And Stop at 9999
Only to come back a number of months later, and PC whore like there no tommorrow.


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News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Ah yes.
All work, gets lots o monies, but no times.
No work gets no monies, but lots o time.
Would be nice if I could work part time.


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Am I being e-held-up??

I prefer the "Stick-up"

I skimmed this.

Then went, Wait, What?


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NxGO2lx-A0


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Oh! And John is here too. Hi, John!

Everyone will be so jealous of your comma and exclamation point.

just a little Frown

Well, I didn't even get a nod.

What! Ho hummm.


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Holy shit. Fonzie is fucking ballin'


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donald949 wrote:
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Dear Kartessa,

My final advice is to just treat the guy like a climbing partner, look for your beef jerky elsewhere. Maybe he likes you a lot as a friend/climbing partner and doesn't want to fuck it up. You're just focusing on him because he's there to focus on; there are plenty of guys who would rail you raw and with much less effort on your part.

Mister Manners

You were right! I need a nap now...

I'll have to read today's post to see if more info was forth coming...

No way! A lady never tells!


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donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Brian, John, Joel - looking at some time around Oct 16(ish) to be in the New / Red and in either place for a few weeks after that until about Nov 10(ish).

I'm pretty flexible, but would prefer to stay cheap (i.e. - probably camp and eat at the tent), but that doesn't mean I refuse to eat out every now and again.

Looking to see what works best for you guys and at which location on which dates.

Well a freeish trip to the Dominican Republic fell in my lap last week and I fly out on 10/26 and come back on 11/01 so, yeah.

I can still make it though. If you hit the New first I will just come out on the first weekend you are there (shooting to stay for 4+ days) and if you hit the RRG first then I will try and catch you at the New after the trip.

Just keep us up to speed and we will sort it out.

OK, so we have

Joel as 50-50 for either location
Brian NRG early or NRG late
John ?

Sausagefest.... NiiiiceTongue

hey, everyone's welcome...I just assumed no one else could make it. of course, if everyone did, you probably would be getting the glory of it all.

And how glorious it would be... Now I face a dillema though... if I show up and don't put out, you'll all know im just a dirty sprayer.

you may have just outed yourself right here. D'OH!

Yah, it happens... but now that Zeke has used the word Orgy and Lube, I suspect this thread will pick up.

But yeah, If I have a babysitter for the weekend, whatever weekend it is, I can follow you boys around.
You going to follow these boys around? Stalking like or puppy like?

In other news.

ONce your little dude gets a little older, he can just tag along.

Stalking or Puppy like? Hrm... Excellent question... I haven't decided yet.


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Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Dear Kartessa,

My final advice is to just treat the guy like a climbing partner, look for your beef jerky elsewhere. Maybe he likes you a lot as a friend/climbing partner and doesn't want to fuck it up. You're just focusing on him because he's there to focus on; there are plenty of guys who would rail you raw and with much less effort on your part.

Mister Manners

You were right! I need a nap now...

I'll have to read today's post to see if more info was forth coming...

No way! A lady never tells!
What since when?
Your post sure is does a lot of alluding though.
Laugh


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spikeddem wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Oh! And John is here too. Hi, John!

Everyone will be so jealous of your comma and exclamation point.

just a little Frown

Well, I didn't even get a nod.

What! Ho hummm.
Meh.


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Checking my score on the losers posters lists.


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I need 20 or so to pass a guy, who hasn't been on in 4+ years


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Work has slowed down now.


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So I can knock off a few PC++


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But 20 posts of nothing is not so good.


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Even though this is the PCI


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And thats what we do here.


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What to do.


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PTFTW


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Only goes so far.


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Looking at the Needles in the southern Sierras.


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Tree Route on Dome Rock


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Lone Pine Peak.
Just South of Whitney


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Mt Humphreys


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Bear Creek Spire


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Merriam Peak


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Temple Crag


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Arrow Peak


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Charlotte Dome


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Grand Sentinal


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Mt Goodale


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With that I've pulled even.


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Mount Sir Donald


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Had to add that one, just because.


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Most of these pics are linked from Summit Post


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Anyrate, better than mindless posting.


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kachoong wrote:
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12 straight days of climbing...and I feel pretty good.

You must have been taking it easy on some of them... most I've ever done was seven days straight.

well, taking it easy for me meant seconding the hard stuff on days when I was tired and trying (often unsuccessfully) to limit the number of pitches. There was only one day when I did fewer than six pitches, and that was a day in the daks when I literally did one climb, BUT STILL!

most days were 8-12 pitches with more than half of those pitches at my level. a couple of days saw fewer than eight pitches. Only one of those days that saw less than eight saw me climbing below my level more than half the time, and that was the day I did one climb.

so yeah, I was beatUnsure...but strongerPirate...and beatUnsure...but strongerPirate...


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Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
Dear Kartessa,

My final advice is to just treat the guy like a climbing partner, look for your beef jerky elsewhere. Maybe he likes you a lot as a friend/climbing partner and doesn't want to fuck it up. You're just focusing on him because he's there to focus on; there are plenty of guys who would rail you raw and with much less effort on your part.

Mister Manners

You were right! I need a nap now...

I'll have to read today's post to see if more info was forth coming...

No way! A lady never tells!
What since when?
Your post sure is does a lot of alluding though.
Laugh

From my vantage point I saw allot in her post...


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Checking my score on the losers posters lists.
Fail?


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But 20 posts of nothing is not so good.
Have you seen my early days in this thread...

It is the post-count increaser, is it not?


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kachoong wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

*tears*

I'm with ya on this one brutha...10b is actually my onsite highest grade on lead. I just did it during this last trip, but alas, it was at Rumney and that means it not only was bolts, but also soft. Frown

Woo!!

But yeah, bolts = 1/2 credit.

The whole .10b thing comes from my last trip to the NRG when I totally got spanked by Burning Calves. I hung, took a baby fall and then hung again. It's kind of a running joke now because I was talkin shit about how I was gonna crush before I got on it.

I did feel a little better after Chossmonkey and GG came by and said something about J_ung calling it a sandbag though. Either way, it was certainly one of the best finger cracks Ive been on.

I need some redemption on that shit too. Maybe we can get on it when you're down.

You could onsight and solidify the grade!

I'm pretty excited to see you crush that shit now. Gonna be shweeeeet!

yeah um...I'm not going to hold my breath.

3 hang?

gear or bolts?

Skim slower!


Alternately, see bold^^

7, maybe 8, hangs

I can never hang more than 3 times. If I can't get it on my fourth try I will never get it and will leave it for another day.

Depends on the scenario for me. If it's my gear and no else is going up afterward...then I'll hang as much as I want.

TR? I'll come down after trying the move a few times. Same if someone else is going to give it a go afterward.


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zeke_sf wrote:
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Alpine07 wrote:
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ICE!

Fuck yeah. I'm excited that winter is knockin on the door as we speak.

And I don't even climb the frozen stuff. I just like the cold!

You're missing out dude.

So I've been told.

I can climb rock year round down my way so I've no need, really.

I live closer to ice now. It feels very deja vu to say I still have no interest. I heard a great quote about ice climbing recently and can't quite remember it... something to the effect that it's a shitty way to train for real climbing.

this is a very true quote that you're paraphrasing.


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Oh and I'm going climbing today too but it's only the gym.Unimpressed

It makes me strong though, so I can deal with it.

Not strong enough to send .10b apparently.

I got on some spurt this weekend. I thought hangdogging 12 trad on TR would have kept the guns in better shape. Think again! I made a mockery of a climb I thought would go easily. Then, in true sporto style, I sent that climb with the pre-hung draws. It was an old project from when I used to live around here years ago, so it was nice to finally dispatch it. Typically, it went when I finally wised up and realized, "oh, yeah, you just have to keep moving on sport climbs." Then, I made the slowest onsight of a really quality 5.10 trad route. I think my lead head is shit right now, onsighting is a very painful process. I really need to start committing more, is the lesson. I keep hanging around thinking through shit, making routes a couple of grades harder.

over the years I've found that the only thing that helps me to climb stronger is to get the route clean, or to climb until physical failure (not technical crux failure). odd, but that's all that seems to work for me.


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spikeddem wrote:
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Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

Nice! Its been way to long since I've been up to the North Conway area to climb.

I've been there a fair amount being from New England, but it generally bores me. We're going because it is two hours for each of us. any other location would be more than that on either side for one of us.

Understandable, North Conway for me means close proximity to Huntington Ravine, and Cannon. Probly my two favorite spots in NH... Cathedral's not bad, though always crowded. Whitehorse is a bit scary...

never made it to cannon this year, and I've never been to huntington ravine because I don't do the winter thing, so not having been to the latter isn't surprising, but I should have made one trip to cannon this year; I usually make two.

Even though you don't do the whole winter thing, its worth taking a trip to Huntington Ravine to do the Pinnacle Buttress, tis good times.


um, yeah, that's pretty sweet. and it's my kind of scene, too, where I get really get away from things.

thanks for sharing that.


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nice pics in there. makes me want to buy that $5k RV with 50k miles on it down the street and drive around and climb EVERYTHING!


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But 20 posts of nothing is not so good.
Have you seen my early days in this thread...

It is the post-count increaser, is it not?

I WILL NOT GO BACK AND RE-READ YOUR EARLY-DAYS POSTS!


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heading out to climb again tomorrow. this time in North Conway for a day trip with a friend I haven't seen in a few months. She just became the first asian woman to do the seven summits and ski both poles. can't wait to hear more about it enroute.

Nice! Its been way to long since I've been up to the North Conway area to climb.

I've been there a fair amount being from New England, but it generally bores me. We're going because it is two hours for each of us. any other location would be more than that on either side for one of us.

Understandable, North Conway for me means close proximity to Huntington Ravine, and Cannon. Probly my two favorite spots in NH... Cathedral's not bad, though always crowded. Whitehorse is a bit scary...

never made it to cannon this year, and I've never been to huntington ravine because I don't do the winter thing, so not having been to the latter isn't surprising, but I should have made one trip to cannon this year; I usually make two.

Even though you don't do the whole winter thing, its worth taking a trip to Huntington Ravine to do the Pinnacle Buttress, tis good times.

[image]http://www.mountainproject.com/images/5/59/106400559_large_08b75a.jpg[/image]

um, yeah, that's pretty sweet. and it's my kind of scene, too, where I get really get away from things.

thanks for sharing that.

but why not do the direct finish?


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Interesting.
Coming up on a milestone
PC 5555 for me soon.

Gneiss werk.... I'm not too far off the big 10K

Looks to be coming soon.
You could do an AB. Dedicate a thread to 10K. And Stop at 9999

Well, we all know how that worked out.


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Tree Route on Dome Rock

I always wonder about routes named Tree Route... what happens if the tree falls out or burns or something?


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Merriam Peak

Sweet looking buttress.


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Mount Sir Donald

Nice pic! That mtn looks like Mt Assinniboine in the Canadan Rockies.


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Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see


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spikeddem wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
Co-workers paying you to go away? Frown


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spikeddem wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
Co-workers paying you to go away? Frown

I'm gonna go for 2k


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
Co-workers paying you to go away? Frown

I'm gonna go for 2k

2day


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
Co-workers paying you to go away? Frown

I'm gonna go for 2k

2day

before


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
Co-workers paying you to go away? Frown

I'm gonna go for 2k

2day

before

work


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
Co-workers paying you to go away? Frown

I'm gonna go for 2k

2day

before

work

is


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SQUIRREL!


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GOOD MOVIE


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GOOD MOVIE

oops. left caps


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GOOD MOVIE

oops. left caps

lock


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GOOD MOVIE

oops. left caps

lock

on. not that


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GOOD MOVIE

oops. left caps

lock

on. not that

i didnt notice


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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GOOD MOVIE

oops. left caps

lock

on. not that

i didnt notice

before hitting


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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GOOD MOVIE

oops. left caps

lock

on. not that

i didnt notice

before hitting

SQUIRREL!


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I love problems


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I love problems

that require


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I love problems

that require

more core tension than


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I love problems

that require

more core tension than

i have


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I love problems

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more core tension than

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feels so good when


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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I love problems

that require

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feels so good when

the feet finally


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
I love problems

that require

more core tension than

i have

feels so good when

the feet finally

stick on


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
I love problems

that require

more core tension than

i have

feels so good when

the feet finally

stick on

watching someone


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
I love problems

that require

more core tension than

i have

feels so good when

the feet finally

stick on

watching someone

keep their


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
I love problems

that require

more core tension than

i have

feels so good when

the feet finally

stick on

watching someone

keep their
feet on while


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
I love problems

that require

more core tension than

i have

feels so good when

the feet finally

stick on

watching someone

keep their
feet on while

climbing steep


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
I love problems

that require

more core tension than

i have

feels so good when

the feet finally

stick on

watching someone

keep their
feet on while

climbing steep
problems is


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
I love problems

that require

more core tension than

i have

feels so good when

the feet finally

stick on

watching someone

keep their
feet on while

climbing steep
problems is
just impressive when


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
I love problems

that require

more core tension than

i have

feels so good when

the feet finally

stick on

watching someone

keep their
feet on while

climbing steep
problems is
just impressive when

those feet are tiny


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
I love problems

that require

more core tension than

i have

feels so good when

the feet finally

stick on

watching someone

keep their
feet on while

climbing steep
problems is
just impressive when

those feet are tiny

nubbins. dunno how


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they do it.


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come on noobs.


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i think my keyboard


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i think my keyboard

is catching


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FIRE


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Laugh


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im gonna make all you noobs so


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spikeddem wrote:
im gonna make all you noobs so

proud.


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im gonna make all you noobs so

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except that


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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im gonna make all you noobs so

proud.

except that
that


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
im gonna make all you noobs so

proud.

except that
that

first


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
im gonna make all you noobs so

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except that
that

first

sentence


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
im gonna make all you noobs so

proud.

except that
that

first

sentence

wasnt


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
im gonna make all you noobs so

proud.

except that
that

first

sentence

wasnt

SPLIT UP


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
im gonna make all you noobs so

proud.

except that
that

first

sentence

wasnt

SPLIT UP

enuff.


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
im gonna make all you noobs so

proud.

except that
that

first

sentence

wasnt

SPLIT UP

enuff.

fixed tho.


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it aint


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spikeddem wrote:
it aint

long now!!


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
it aint

long now!!

..not about


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
it aint

long now!!

..not about

my pen0r


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
it aint

long now!!

..not about

my pen0r

about my


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
it aint

long now!!

..not about

my pen0r

about my

pc


spikeddem


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potentially


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spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter

is that


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter

is that

my keyboard


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter

is that

my keyboard

is still


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter

is that

my keyboard

is still

ON FIRE


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter

is that

my keyboard

is still

ON FIRE

OUCHUEZ


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter

is that

my keyboard

is still

ON FIRE

OUCHUEZ

4 fingurrz.


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yawn!


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter

is that

my keyboard

is still

ON FIRE

OUCHUEZ

4 fingurrz.

sensitive


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heh!


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter

is that

my keyboard

is still

ON FIRE

OUCHUEZ

4 fingurrz.

sensitive

from


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter

is that

my keyboard

is still

ON FIRE

OUCHUEZ

4 fingurrz.

sensitive

from

da climbzing


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter

is that

my keyboard

is still

ON FIRE

OUCHUEZ

4 fingurrz.

sensitive

from

da climbzing

of da


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
potentially

longest mid-morning

solo pc++?

maybez.

no matter

what does

matter

is that

my keyboard

is still

ON FIRE

OUCHUEZ

4 fingurrz.

sensitive

from

da climbzing

of da

prboelms.z


spikeddem


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close now!


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spikeddem wrote:
close now!

2!!


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
close now!

2!!

1!!


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
close now!

2!!

1!!

SQUIRREL!


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
close now!

2!!

1!!

SQUIRREL!

Wait. What was I doing again?


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kachoong wrote:
yawn!

had potential to be an amazing ptftw


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
close now!

2!!

1!!

SQUIRREL!

Congrats... you've acheived... um...

Yah... Congrats.


spikeddem


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i dun m0re werk here dan work at work


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
close now!

2!!

1!!

SQUIRREL!

Congrats... you've acheived... um...

Yah... Congrats.

eternal glory is what you're looking for


spikeddem


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my mind is spent now


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spikeddem wrote:
my mind is spent now

i really kind of just meant getting to 2000 by the end of the day.


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
my mind is spent now

i really kind of just meant getting to 2000 by the end of the day.

not within 15 minutes


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
my mind is spent now

i really kind of just meant getting to 2000 by the end of the day.

not within 15 minutes

now it feels weird to type long sentences


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
my mind is spent now

i really kind of just meant getting to 2000 by the end of the day.

not within 15 minutes

now it feels weird to type long sentences

like driving an automatic after driving a manual for a long time.


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
my mind is spent now

i really kind of just meant getting to 2000 by the end of the day.

not within 15 minutes

now it feels weird to type long sentences

like driving an automatic after driving a manual for a long time.

yuuuuuuuup


spikeddem


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10000 in teh pci today?


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spikeddem wrote:
10000 in teh pci today?

sound good everybody?


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
10000 in teh pci today?

sound good everybody?

good. im glad.


spikeddem


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i want to climb at the gunks


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spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad


spikeddem


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.


spikeddem


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i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.


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i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...


Kartessa


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10000 in teh pci today?

Let's do it!!


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

I'd say more effed up.


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
10000 in teh pci today?

Let's do it!!

O'TAY!!!


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

Did that put out the keyboard fire?


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

Did that put out the keyboard fire?

nyce.


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

I'd say more effed up.

FrownFrownFrownFrownFrown


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kartessa is really mean


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kartessa is really mean

I'm cranky today... expect lots of it


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kartessa is really mean

I'm cranky today... expect lots of it

I'm sorry... you need a hug?


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OK. I'm interested. Where has everyone gone for climbing?

Quote all the previous answers, and don't split up your own...for ease of readability.

Joel:
Interstate State Park/Taylors Falls (MN/WI)
North Shore Area (MN)
Barn Bluff (MN)
Devil's Tower (WY)
Joshua Tree National Park (CA)
Red Rock (NV)
Tennessee Wall (TN)
El Potrero Chico (Mexico)
Red River Gorge (KY)
New River Gorge (WV)


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
kartessa is really mean

I'm cranky today... expect lots of it

I'm sorry... you need a hug?

Make it a slow one. Laugh


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Just a 100 more!


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Just a 100 more!

that was a silly way to type that


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OK. I'm interested. Where has everyone gone for climbing?

Quote all the previous answers, and don't split up your own...for ease of readability.

Joel:
Interstate State Park/Taylors Falls (MN/WI)
North Shore Area (MN)
Barn Bluff (MN)
Devil's Tower (WY)
Joshua Tree National Park (CA)
Red Rock (NV)
Tennessee Wall (TN)
El Potrero Chico (Mexico)
Red River Gorge (KY)
New River Gorge (WV)

Dina
Everything near me (ON)
New River Gorge (WV)
Red Rock (NV)
Fontainebleau (Ribbit)


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
kartessa is really mean

I'm cranky today... expect lots of it

I'm sorry... you need a hug?

Make it a slow one. Laugh

Can I have an ass-grab? Tongue


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I'm really excited for lunch. Meso Very hungry.

get it?? HA!


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
kartessa is really mean

I'm cranky today... expect lots of it

I'm sorry... you need a hug?

Make it a slow one. Laugh

Can I have an ass-grab? Tongue

Make it a hard one.


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I'm really excited for lunch. Meso Very hungry.

get it?? HA!

No...
I'm 5ft2, everything is over my head.


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spikeddem wrote:
OK. I'm interested. Where has everyone gone for climbing?

Ever, or this summer?


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zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Ah yes.
All work, gets lots o monies, but no times.
No work gets no monies, but lots o time.
Would be nice if I could work part time.

It's true. I gotta go climb now.


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kachoong wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
OK. I'm interested. Where has everyone gone for climbing?

Ever, or this summer?

I look forward to this one Smile


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Kartessa wrote:
kachoong wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
OK. I'm interested. Where has everyone gone for climbing?

Ever, or this summer?

I look forward to this one Smile

hahaha. hummmmmmmmm. ever, but stick to rock climbing if that's easier...


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Oooo everyone is on now... its a party in here!


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zeke_sf wrote:
donald949 wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Ah yes.
All work, gets lots o monies, but no times.
No work gets no monies, but lots o time.
Would be nice if I could work part time.

It's true. I gotta go climb now.

lucky.


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
I'm really excited for lunch. Meso Very hungry.

get it?? HA!

No...
I'm 5ft2, everything is over my head.

CoolLaughSlyLaughSlyCoolLaughWink


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zeke_sf wrote:
donald949 wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Ah yes.
All work, gets lots o monies, but no times.
No work gets no monies, but lots o time.
Would be nice if I could work part time.

It's true. I gotta go climb now.

*Jealous*


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
kachoong wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
OK. I'm interested. Where has everyone gone for climbing?

Ever, or this summer?

I look forward to this one Smile

hahaha. hummmmmmmmm. ever, but stick to rock climbing if that's easier...

OK, just rock.... lemmie see.


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Kartessa wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
donald949 wrote:
zeke_sf wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
News:

Spikeddem will be returning to work tomorrow. I received a call over the weekend saying that I will be kept on, on a month-by-month basis until the end of the year. This is good news. Now I will continue to have monies.

I need the monies. Hey, give me your monies! Punk!

Ah yes.
All work, gets lots o monies, but no times.
No work gets no monies, but lots o time.
Would be nice if I could work part time.

It's true. I gotta go climb now.

*Jealous*
agreed


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!


Kartessa


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Kartessa wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!

We can learn together!


Kartessa


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!

We can learn together!

We're gonna DIE!


kachoong


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
OK. I'm interested. Where has everyone gone for climbing?

Quote all the previous answers, and don't split up your own...for ease of readability.

Joel:
Interstate State Park/Taylors Falls (MN/WI)
North Shore Area (MN)
Barn Bluff (MN)
Devil's Tower (WY)
Joshua Tree National Park (CA)
Red Rock (NV)
Tennessee Wall (TN)
El Potrero Chico (Mexico)
Red River Gorge (KY)
New River Gorge (WV)

Dina
Everything near me (ON)
New River Gorge (WV)
Red Rock (NV)
Fontainebleau (Ribbit)

OK, to the crag level and just rock, no repeats and in roughly the order (first) visited over the years...

Dave:

Booroomba (ACT, Aus)
Gibralter Peak (ACT, Aus)
Kambah Rocks (ACT, Aus)
Warrumbungles (NSW, Aus)
Orroral Ridge (ACT, Aus)
Ginninderra Falls (ACT, Aus)
Mt Gingera (NSW, Aus)
Point Perpendicular (ACT, Aus)
Arapiles (VIC, Aus)
Grampians (VIC, Aus)
Mt Cook (New Zealand)
Cosmic County (NSW, Aus)
Mt York (NSW, Aus)
Centennial Glen (NSW, Aus)
Upper Shipley (NSW, Aus)
Honeysuckle Crag (ACT, Aus)
Mt Scabby (ACT, Aus)
Mt Buffalo (VIC, Aus)
Mt Dromedary (NSW, Aus)
Squamish (BC, Canada)
Checkamus Canyon (BC, Canada)
Smith Rocks (OR)
Flatirons (CO)
Boulder Canyon (CO)
Table Mountain (CO)
Eldorado Canyon (CO)
Mt Assinniboine (Canadian Rockies)
Mt Temple (Canadian Rockies)
Skaha (BC, Canada)
Nowra (NSW, Aus)
Frankenjura (Germany)
Donautal (Germany)
Ith (Germany)
Some conglomerate crag in (Switzerland)
A few wadi's in the (Sinai, Egypt)
Kangaroo Point (QLD, Aus)
Frog Buttress (QLD, Aus)
Redcliffs (QLD, Aus)
Tinbeerwah (QLD, Aus)
Glasshouse Mountains (QLD, Aus)
Urbanville (QLD, Aus)
Reimers (TX)
New River Gorge (WV)
Enchanted Rock (TX)
Green Belt (TX)
Railay area (Thailand)
Koh Phi Phi (Thailand)
Red Rock (NV)
Cochise Stronghold (AZ)
Las Conchas (NM)


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damn...good answer kachoong. good answer.


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damn...good answer kachoong. good answer.

and an even better memory.


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!

We can learn together!

We're gonna DIE!

Nah. I'll just second you. YOURE gonna die.


kachoong


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spikeddem wrote:
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damn...good answer kachoong. good answer.

and an even better memory.

I had to write them down to get the order approximate.


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!

We can learn together!

We're gonna DIE!

Nah. I'll just second you. YOURE gonna die.

I'm takin you with me.


spikeddem


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kachoong wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
damn...good answer kachoong. good answer.

and an even better memory.

I had to write them down to get the order approximate.

I couldn't even remember all of mine...


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spikeddem wrote:
kachoong wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
damn...good answer kachoong. good answer.

and an even better memory.

I had to write them down to get the order approximate.

I couldn't even remember all of mine...

had to visit MP to jog my memory Frown


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!

We can learn together!

We're gonna DIE!

Nah. I'll just second you. YOURE gonna die.

I'm takin you with me.

So we're gonna free solo? Are you saying we're going to do it without protection, Kartessa?


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
OK. I'm interested. Where has everyone gone for climbing?

Quote all the previous answers, and don't split up your own...for ease of readability.

Joel:
Interstate State Park/Taylors Falls (MN/WI)
North Shore Area (MN)
Barn Bluff (MN)
Devil's Tower (WY)
Joshua Tree National Park (CA)
Red Rock (NV)
Tennessee Wall (TN)
El Potrero Chico (Mexico)
Red River Gorge (KY)
New River Gorge (WV)

Dina
Everything near me (ON)
New River Gorge (WV)
Red Rock (NV)
Fontainebleau (Ribbit)

Greg

New England - Acadia, Camden, North Conway, Rumney, Cannon, Pawtuckaway, Farley Ledge, Quincy Quarry, College Rock, Crow Hill

NY - Adirondacks (includes mulitple locations therein), and 'Gunks

CO - Eldo, RMNP, Boulder, Shelf Road, Garden of the Gods, Red Rocks (CO Springs), I'm forgetting a place...

CA -Yosemite, Lover's Leap

Utah - Moab

Scotland - Rosyth Quarry, Glen Coe, that place on the Fourth of Firth under the bridge

Switzerland - A bunch of places near Chesieres

I'm forgetting places, but that's it for now.


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!

We can learn together!

We're gonna DIE!

Nah. I'll just second you. YOURE gonna die.

I'm takin you with me.

So we're gonna free solo? Are you saying we're going to do it without protection, Kartessa?

Because you're special, I'll do it without protection. Don't tell anyone though.

edited because my grammar is teh shits


(This post was edited by Kartessa on Sep 21, 2010, 3:37 PM)


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!

We can learn together!

We're gonna DIE!

Nah. I'll just second you. YOURE gonna die.

I'm takin you with me.

So we're gonna free solo? Are you saying we're going to do it without protection, Kartessa?

Because you're special, I'll do it without protection. Don't tell anyone though.

edited because my grammar is teh shits

And a PC+ to make up for my edit


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kachoong wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
OK. I'm interested. Where has everyone gone for climbing?

Quote all the previous answers, and don't split up your own...for ease of readability.

Joel:
Interstate State Park/Taylors Falls (MN/WI)
North Shore Area (MN)
Barn Bluff (MN)
Devil's Tower (WY)
Joshua Tree National Park (CA)
Red Rock (NV)
Tennessee Wall (TN)
El Potrero Chico (Mexico)
Red River Gorge (KY)
New River Gorge (WV)

Dina
Everything near me (ON)
New River Gorge (WV)
Red Rock (NV)
Fontainebleau (Ribbit)

OK, to the crag level and just rock, no repeats and in roughly the order (first) visited over the years...

Dave:

Booroomba (ACT, Aus)
Gibralter Peak (ACT, Aus)
Kambah Rocks (ACT, Aus)
Warrumbungles (NSW, Aus)
Orroral Ridge (ACT, Aus)
Ginninderra Falls (ACT, Aus)
Mt Gingera (NSW, Aus)
Point Perpendicular (ACT, Aus)
Arapiles (VIC, Aus)
Grampians (VIC, Aus)
Mt Cook (New Zealand)
Cosmic County (NSW, Aus)
Mt York (NSW, Aus)
Centennial Glen (NSW, Aus)
Upper Shipley (NSW, Aus)
Honeysuckle Crag (ACT, Aus)
Mt Scabby (ACT, Aus)
Mt Buffalo (VIC, Aus)
Mt Dromedary (NSW, Aus)
Squamish (BC, Canada)
Checkamus Canyon (BC, Canada)
Smith Rocks (OR)
Flatirons (CO)
Boulder Canyon (CO)
Table Mountain (CO)
Eldorado Canyon (CO)
Mt Assinniboine (Canadian Rockies)
Mt Temple (Canadian Rockies)
Skaha (BC, Canada)
Nowra (NSW, Aus)
Frankenjura (Germany)
Donautal (Germany)
Ith (Germany)
Some conglomerate crag in (Switzerland)
A few wadi's in the (Sinai, Egypt)
Kangaroo Point (QLD, Aus)
Frog Buttress (QLD, Aus)
Redcliffs (QLD, Aus)
Tinbeerwah (QLD, Aus)
Glasshouse Mountains (QLD, Aus)
Urbanville (QLD, Aus)
Reimers (TX)
New River Gorge (WV)
Enchanted Rock (TX)
Green Belt (TX)
Railay area (Thailand)
Koh Phi Phi (Thailand)
Red Rock (NV)
Cochise Stronghold (AZ)
Las Conchas (NM)

Greg

New England - Acadia, Camden, North Conway, Rumney, Cannon, Pawtuckaway, Farley Ledge, Quincy Quarry, College Rock, Crow Hill

NY - Adirondacks (includes mulitple locations therein), and 'Gunks

CO - Eldo, RMNP, Boulder, Shelf Road, Garden of the Gods, Red Rocks (CO Springs), I'm forgetting a place...

CA -Yosemite, Lover's Leap

Utah - Moab

Scotland - Rosyth Quarry, Glen Coe, that place on the Fourth of Firth under the bridge

Switzerland - A bunch of places near Chesieres

I'm forgetting places, but that's it for now.


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Nice list, Greg




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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!

We can learn together!

We're gonna DIE!

Nah. I'll just second you. YOURE gonna die.

I'm takin you with me.

So we're gonna free solo? Are you saying we're going to do it without protection, Kartessa?

Because you're special, I'll do it without protection. Don't tell anyone though.

edited because my grammar is teh shits

And a PC+ to make up for my edit

I sure hope we both top out.


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Nice list, Greg


Ignore my silly picture. It's from my first year in college, I looked different back then.


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i want to climb at the gunks

well, drive out. I'll meet you there.


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!

We can learn together!

We're gonna DIE!

Nah. I'll just second you. YOURE gonna die.

I'm takin you with me.

So we're gonna free solo? Are you saying we're going to do it without protection, Kartessa?

Because you're special, I'll do it without protection. Don't tell anyone though.

edited because my grammar is teh shits

And a PC+ to make up for my edit

I sure hope we both top out.

Me first


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
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i want to climb at the gunks

well, drive out. I'll meet you there.

you call my boss and tell him/her to give me paid vacation and i will!!


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Nice list, Greg

[image]http://gaygamer.net/images/thumbs-up.jpg[/image]

thanks, and thanks for fixing my separation from the koala. i think we were putting our lists together at the same time.


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!

We can learn together!

We're gonna DIE!

Nah. I'll just second you. YOURE gonna die.

I'm takin you with me.

So we're gonna free solo? Are you saying we're going to do it without protection, Kartessa?

Because you're special, I'll do it without protection. Don't tell anyone though.

edited because my grammar is teh shits

And a PC+ to make up for my edit

I sure hope we both top out.

Me first

Well we'll just do multiple ascents.


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Nice list, Greg


thanks, and thanks for fixing my separation from the koala. i think we were putting our lists together at the same time.

Mhmm. Totally just noticed the URL for that photo. I found it on Google! I swear!!


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spikeddem wrote:
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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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i want to climb at the gunks

i got my first taste of roofy trad

at tennessee wall.

comittment can be addicting.

that was such a good trip.

im well rounded

not fat...i just can play with lots of people when its climbing

bouldering...

thin technical face climbing...

steep sport routes

crack climbing (droooool)

about the only thing i havent really had the opportunity to get into is...

legit slab climbs. like reaaaal slab climbs. with the big runs outz and stuff.

im not saying im good at all these things....just that i ENJOY them all, and would be comfortable doing any of it safely.

speaking of dis..who wants to take me out to do some runout slab climbing??

I'll go with you!

We can learn together!

We're gonna DIE!

Nah. I'll just second you. YOURE gonna die.

I'm takin you with me.

So we're gonna free solo? Are you saying we're going to do it without protection, Kartessa?

Because you're special, I'll do it without protection. Don't tell anyone though.

edited because my grammar is teh shits

And a PC+ to make up for my edit

I sure hope we both top out.

Me first

Well we'll just do multiple ascents.

All day and all night? I like your style.


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Nice list, Greg

[image]http://gaygamer.net/images/thumbs-up.jpg[/image]

thanks, and thanks for fixing my separation from the koala. i think we were putting our lists together at the same time.

Mhmm. Totally just noticed the URL for that photo. I found it on Google! I swear!!

...busted


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Gosh I heart my new car. its splendid.


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i also like climbing.


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we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!


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we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!


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we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!


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we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Did someone say PCI carpool?


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Did someone say PCI carpool?

Of course, we'll need wireless so we can still pci and talk to each other.


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I like how every post I make I insult sungam without even trying. feels good.


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spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
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donald949 wrote:
But 20 posts of nothing is not so good.
Have you seen my early days in this thread...

It is the post-count increaser, is it not?

I WILL NOT GO BACK AND RE-READ YOUR EARLY-DAYS POSTS!


...aaah but you already has...


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
I want your job?


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.

To make it worse, I gotta spend it with family.


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.

True, the river near Cincinnati caught fire in the 70's...lawl.

I'd be doing environmental engineering though so maybe it'll be all better!


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epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
I want your job?

Oh you do... did I mention my 10k raise?


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.

True, the river near Cincinnati caught fire in the 70's...lawl.

I'd be doing environmental engineering though so maybe it'll be all better!

Ok, well if you ever wanna come to Canada, yer welcome here Wink


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.

True, the river near Cincinnati caught fire in the 70's...lawl.

I'd be doing environmental engineering though so maybe it'll be all better!

Ok, well if you ever wanna come to Canada, yer welcome here Wink


Squamish Crazy


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Kartessa wrote:
epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
I want your job?

Oh you do... did I mention my 10k raise?

Is that for when you do go to work or dont go to work? Laugh


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.

True, the river near Cincinnati caught fire in the 70's...lawl.

I'd be doing environmental engineering though so maybe it'll be all better!

Ok, well if you ever wanna come to Canada, yer welcome here Wink


Squamish Crazy

Milton ok? Next best thing!


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
I want your job?

Oh you do... did I mention my 10k raise?

Is that for when you do go to work or dont go to work? Laugh

Well im physically here.


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.

True, the river near Cincinnati caught fire in the 70's...lawl.

I'd be doing environmental engineering though so maybe it'll be all better!

Ok, well if you ever wanna come to Canada, yer welcome here Wink


Squamish Crazy

Milton ok? Next best thing!

Haven't heard of it. Didn't find it on MP?


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spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.

True, the river near Cincinnati caught fire in the 70's...lawl.

I'd be doing environmental engineering though so maybe it'll be all better!

Ok, well if you ever wanna come to Canada, yer welcome here Wink


Squamish Crazy

Milton ok? Next best thing!

Haven't heard of it. Didn't find it on MP?

Mount Nemo Laugh


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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.

True, the river near Cincinnati caught fire in the 70's...lawl.

I'd be doing environmental engineering though so maybe it'll be all better!

Ok, well if you ever wanna come to Canada, yer welcome here Wink


Squamish Crazy

Milton ok? Next best thing!

Haven't heard of it. Didn't find it on MP?

Mount Nemo Laugh

Haha, pretty empty for info! I want hot cocoa.


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.

To make it worse, I gotta spend it with family.
You don't know a thing about climbing...

Ask jack. he'll tell you.


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Kartessa wrote:
epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
I want your job?

Oh you do... did I mention my 10k raise?
for doing?


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epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
I want your job?

Oh you do... did I mention my 10k raise?
for doing?

PC++


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Kartessa wrote:
epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
I want your job?

Oh you do... did I mention my 10k raise?
for doing?

PC++

good answer.


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Kartessa wrote:
epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Sure could go for some sinker handjams right now.

Dear Kartessa: The above post was about rock climbing.

I've been doing so much steep bouldering lately...starting to get an itch for some crack climbing and gear plugging.

so you're going to meet us then.

would like to!! every day i dont work costs me money though ....... we'll see

Every day I don't work I make money!
I want your job?

Oh you do... did I mention my 10k raise?
for doing?

PC++

Yeah....


But in my head I hear a bitchin soundtrack...


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and a PTFTW


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suckit


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almost...


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epoch wrote:
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Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.

To make it worse, I gotta spend it with family.
You don't know a thing about climbing...

Ask jack. he'll tell you.

#16, Sometimes climbing is awl about disapointing yore loved wons.


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Yup.


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tripperjm wrote:
epoch wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
we should put together a winter El Potrero Chico trip for the PCI!!!!!

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Just practicing for EPC!

Except I dont really want to fly...too much money.

Who knows, maybe I'll be moving to Ohio for grad school by that time. Cool

Ohio!? Ewww

How's that, Dina?

It's dirrrrrty... I wanted to go to the new for thanksgiving, but noooo I gotta go to Toledo... dirty, flat, Toledo.

To make it worse, I gotta spend it with family.
You don't know a thing about climbing...

Ask jack. he'll tell you.

#16, Sometimes climbing is awl about disapointing yore loved wons.

Can I get the full list?


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spikeddem wrote:
[image]http://ohfishing.com/NEWS/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Deervisi4.jpg[/image]

[image]http://www.pet-peeves.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ATT00005.jpg[/image]


[image]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CCp1tESrU5Y/S3080IeHcZI/AAAAAAAANv4/lFzuyPOh01c/s320/deer+and+cat4.jpg[/image]

Yup.

What the eff?


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Can I take this thread to 10k?


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Can I take this thread to 10k?

I


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Kartessa wrote:
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Can I take this thread to 10k?

I
Think


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Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Can I take this thread to 10k?

I
Think
So!


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Q: Why did Tigger have to wash his hands?


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Kartessa wrote:
Q: Why did Tigger have to wash his hands?
A: 'Cause he was playing with Pooh all day!


Kartessa


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Q: How do you close an envelope under water?


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Kartessa wrote:
Q: How do you close an envelope under water?
A: With a SEAL!


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What do termites eat for breakfast?


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Kartessa wrote:
What do termites eat for breakfast?
A: OAKmeal!


Kartessa


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HA HA HA HA HA!!! I'm so clever!


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Kartessa wrote:
What do termites eat for breakfast?

Morning wood?


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kachoong wrote:
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What do termites eat for breakfast?

Morning wood?

Ghey


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Kartessa wrote:
Can I take this thread to 10k?

Yep!


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Cock-Sucker!

My best friend just bailed out of this weekend's Bon Echo trip!


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crickets!


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bugger!

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